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« on: Jan 15th, 2003, 3:49pm » |
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What do you guys think about all these rumors surrounding who will take over at quarterback in Dallas next season? First rumor had it that Testaverde might be brought in. Today the big news everywhere is that Aikman's name is being brought up by Jerry Jones and Aikman has reciprocated by showing interest. Here is a link to the relevant article up at ESPN.com:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0114/1492808.html.
Sounds like a lot of "if's" to me! But, what do you guys think are the chances of this going down? Also, do you think that an Aikman return might be conducive to Emmitt's remaining, at least for one more season while they groom a draft pick or something? What about the Testaverde factor? Inquiring minds want to know... from the great minds on "the Gridiron"! 
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Re: Aikman or Testaverde to Dallas!
« Reply #6 on: Jan 16th, 2003, 7:29pm » |
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on Jan 16th, 2003, 6:45pm, Jetdoc wrote:I can see Testicleverde going to the Cowboys...Vinny was the Tuna's man, and he might still have some faith in the ever incompetent one. Will he be their starter? Probably not, but he might make a good bench coach for young Hutchinson.
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Well, that would be conventional thinking. However, according to these gems off "the Gridiron Newsstand", the Jets are not going to let Testaverde out of his contract, at least not without a fight:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets153089307jan15,0,2091 481.story?coll=ny%2Djets%2Dheadlines;
http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1042702225216900. xml;
http://www.silive.com/jets/advance/index.ssf?/base/Sports/10425555551610 0.xml.
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Re: Aikman or Testaverde to Dallas!
« Reply #7 on: Jan 17th, 2003, 12:03am » |
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on Jan 15th, 2003, 6:21pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:| Wonder if they are interested in Plummer or Greise?? |
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I know I heard that Bill Parcells has expressed a lot of admiration for Jake Plummer in the studio. That would be intriguing, as would Griese, I suppose. I think they are both in DIRE NEED of a fresh start. But, I haven't heard about any talk of Griese to Dallas. I have heard that he could go to Miami (at first) acting as a backup to Jay Fiedler. I don't know if that is the fresh start the psychiatrist ordered for the Grieser, though. He thought it was difficult having to follow Elway. How about having to play in your hometown where your father was the starting quarterback of the only team to go undefeated in NFL history? Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire.  YYYYYYYOUCH!  I think he should avoid Miami like the plague, but I also believe he must get out of Denver if he wants any chance of salvaging his career. Chicago or Dallas would be a good fit for him and with that said, though I do not think Plummer's situation is as precarious as Griese's as he really did not get a fair shake this year with all the injuries to the Arizona wideouts, I like the idea of Plummer in Denver. While people drew (false) comparisons between Plummer and Montana  , Plummer always reminded me of a mini-Elway and I always felt that the Broncos should have gone out of their way to draft him back in '97. If he had been groomed under/by Elway, especially during the 1997-98 Super Bowl runs where he would have been part of a winning tradition and where he would have been confronted with the pressure which he thrives on, we might just be seeing a very different Jake Plummer right now and a more stable and better Broncos team. It would have been like Dr. Evil and Mini-me. I know you'll like that allusion, FourTwoOh!  And, I will be interested to see how my fellow Bronco-lover, Walker_Boh, will respond... 
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #11 on: Jan 28th, 2003, 1:24pm » |
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on Jan 17th, 2003, 12:03am, StegRock wrote:| I know I heard that Bill Parcells has expressed a lot of admiration for Jake Plummer in the studio. That would be intriguing, as would Griese, I suppose. I think they are both in DIRE NEED of a fresh start... Chicago or Dallas would be a good fit for him (Griese) and with that said, though I do not think Plummer's situation is as precarious as Griese's as he really did not get a fair shake this year with all the injuries to the Arizona wideouts, I like the idea of Plummer in Denver. While people drew (false) comparisons between Plummer and Montana , Plummer always reminded me of a mini-Elway and I always felt that the Broncos should have gone out of their way to draft him back in '97. If he had been groomed under/by Elway, especially during the 1997-98 Super Bowl runs where he would have been part of a winning tradition and where he would have been confronted with the pressure which he thrives on, we might just be seeing a very different Jake Plummer right now and a more stable and better Broncos team. It would have been like Dr. Evil and Mini-me. |
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HOT off "the Gridiron Newsstand":
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E86%257E1140510%257E,00.h tml
The "Snake" is on the radar in Denver! 
How come I never see GM openings in my local classifieds? :sheesh:   
I wonder if they referenced "the Gridiron" in their research!  I'll never know! ??? 
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Re: Aikman or Testaverde to Dallas!
« Reply #13 on: Jan 28th, 2003, 4:24pm » |
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on Jan 16th, 2003, 7:29pm, StegRock wrote:
Well, that would be conventional thinking. However, according to these gems off "the Gridiron Newsstand", the Jets are not going to let Testaverde out of his contract, at least not without a fight. |
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This is positioning, pure and simple. The Jets have him under contract and they are going to use that to their advantage if anyone wants him. They are simply posturing to make sure that other teams realize that they view him as a "valuable commodity" that deserves compensation (and not just a simple cut).
Whether any other team will offer much of anything for him, who knows. Hell, Herm Edwards "misspoke" by saying that the Jets "wouldn't stand in his way". I think that tipped the Jets' hand and kind of pissed off the GM in the process...
Either that, or I have a tainted J-E-T opinion... 
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #14 on: Jan 28th, 2003, 8:55pm » |
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Let's say Jake Plummer does go to Denver. Does anyone else but myself salivate at the thought of what a steal Plummer could be in a draft?
Plummer has shown a few signs of brilliance with an Arizona team not much better then the Bengals organization. He's not that old 27-29ish, which is pretty "young" with all the "old" pro-bowl QBs out there... Garcia, Gannon, Johnson, etc.
Anyways, in Denver he has an already established o-line. No doubt the o-line in Arizona next year may be tops in the league, but, they're still young. He has a running game in Denver, which in Arizona, seems to have been non-existent for quite some time. He has more then just one target to throw to. Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Sharpe(If he doesn't retire). He also has a solid defense that doesn't allow 20+ points a game, so he won't have to ALWAYS carry his team on his shoulders for a victory like he did in Arizona.
All I'm saying is, this guy could be a gem in a 9th-10th round snag, if he goes to Denver, but, if there are more people out there who think the way I do, he may even go earlier then that...
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #15 on: Jan 30th, 2003, 5:42pm » |
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Jetdoc, I agree with your assessment of the Testaverde situation.
KJ 76, I obviously agree with your take on Jake Plummer's (fantasy) "potential" as a real "sleeper/diamond in the rough" if he goes to Denver.
Lastly, from "the Gridiron Newsstand", the headline at the Dallas News reads "Aikman rules out comeback with Cowboys"... "...with the Cowboys" ... eh, nothing to it! Anyway, that pretty much says it all and I don't feel like signing up for the Dallas News, so here is a link to the Dallas Cowboys introductory page there where you can see the headline, but you'll have to sign up to read the article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/football/.
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #16 on: Jan 31st, 2003, 12:57pm » |
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on Jan 30th, 2003, 5:42pm, StegRock wrote:| ...from "the Gridiron Newsstand", the headline at the Dallas News reads "Aikman rules out comeback with Cowboys"... "...with the Cowboys" ... eh, nothing to it! |
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Hmmmm... maybe there was something to my "'...with the Cowboys' (hmmmm-smiley)" comment! Take a look-see at what KFFL recently posted:
Cowboys | Aikman Not Planning Cowboy Comeback - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
18:48 PT: The Dallas Morning News reports former Dallas Cowboys QB Troy Aikman confirmed he's not interested in making a comeback with the team. Aikman was in attendance at a Winston Cup event and spoke with the media. "The speculation about me, you can speculate about some other clubs, even as remote as that may be, but me playing for the Dallas Cowboys is not going to happen," he said. "If I don't come back this offseason, I will be done. But I don't anticipate playing."
Again, I don't think Aikman's going anywhere. But, it was kind of cool knowing that my instincts were good enough to pick up on a small (implicit) detail like that gleaned from such little information and know to run with it just a tad.
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #17 on: Feb 6th, 2003, 1:52pm » |
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The following is a great piece discussing the rocky road and current options of free-agent-to-be QB Jake Plummer. It brings up that it is not completely out of the realm of possibility that he remain a Cardinal, but also makes it VERY clear that Denver probably would be the best destination for him and that the Cowboys will probably put up the strongest fight and, thus, represent the biggest challenge to the Broncos. Without further ado, here's a link to the article:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/don_banks/news/2003/02/05/p lummer_insider/.
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #19 on: Feb 7th, 2003, 1:33am » |
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on Feb 6th, 2003, 7:40pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:Here is my 2 cents:
Troy: Stays retired
Vinny: Stays a Jet
Brian: Either becomes a Cardinal or Cowboy
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Agreed, except...
Griese goes, as a backup or starter, to one of the following three: the Cowboys, Bears or Dolphins. I know the Bears have said that they like Kordell, but I think Griese fits their offense better if they just step back and think about it. Also, though I would like to, you cannot just tacitly ignore the rumors coming out of Miami that they are not, no are, no won't be, well could be, actually might be, interested in bringing Griese in. For better or for worse, his father was a legend there and has at least some influence; Jay Fiedler has still not proven he is the answer, and, for whatever it is worth, I think Griese fits a Norv Turner-style offense quite well, better than Fiedler perhaps. Truth be said, heretofore, I have heard nothing of any interest in Griese on the part of the Cowboys or Parcells. Regarding the Cardinals, his agent will make sure to steer him away from Arizona like it is the plague and, in any case, they are not going to be willing to pay Brian the kind of money he will command.
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #20 on: Feb 7th, 2003, 11:33am » |
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SO, since it seems to be the conclussion that Jake is gone from Arizona, does anyone have any idea WHO IS GOING TO QB IN ARIZONA?? Are they going to turn the reigns over to Josh McCown? Wouldn't Griese be a good fit? Or even Kordell?? Or my personal favorite, Jeff Blake.
Kordell could run for his life, could be cheap, and with his arm strength he could bomb it to David Boston(who will be franchised) every play.
McCown has a lot of potential, but no way I would turn the team over to him already.
Griese is a steady player. But I don't think the cards would ante up for him when they can keep McCown for FREE and Griese tends to lose games instead of win them with his play.
Blake can scramble, has a strong arm, relatively cheap, and gives you solid play every game. I would love to see Blake sign in Arizona.
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Re: Dallas-Denver... Troy, Vinny, Brian, Jake...
« Reply #21 on: Feb 8th, 2003, 2:04am » |
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on Feb 7th, 2003, 11:33am, DirkDiggler wrote:SO, since it seems to be the conclussion that Jake is gone from Arizona, does anyone have any idea WHO IS GOING TO QB IN ARIZONA?? Are they going to turn the reigns over to Josh McCown? Wouldn't Griese be a good fit? Or even Kordell?? Or my personal favorite, Jeff Blake.
Kordell could run for his life, could be cheap, and with his arm strength he could bomb it to David Boston(who will be franchised) every play.
McCown has a lot of potential, but no way I would turn the team over to him already.
Griese is a steady player. But I don't think the cards would ante up for him when they can keep McCown for FREE and Griese tends to lose games instead of win them with his play.
Blake can scramble, has a strong arm, relatively cheap, and gives you solid play every game. I would love to see Blake sign in Arizona. |
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As I stated above, I don't think there is any way Griese ends up in Arizona. I like your idea about Blake, but I think the Ravens will retain him, and, moreover, to be quite frank, from a fantasy perspective, I don't think it matters who becomes the QB for the Cardinals. Whoever it ends up being is probably going to have a rough time and definitely will not be able to be counted on as a week-in-week-out starter, at least not going into the season, if at all.
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 14th, 2003, 6:57pm » |
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Ripped right off "the Gridiron Newsstand" - Stewart to be looking in from the outside while Blake as well as Redman likely return to the Ravens:
http://www.sunspot.net/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens14feb14,0,2779156.st ory?coll=bal%2Dsports%2Dfootball
And, by the way, that "sleeper" smiley up there is not indicating that this is a boring issue, rather it is there to point out that I really like the Blake-Redman tandem and think they are big-time "sleepers" for next season. Billick is known for developing QB's and VERY successful QB-friendly offenses. I, for one, thought Redman was slowly improving and showing signs that he could be their QB of the future. Meanwhile, Blake did an awesome job filling in. I think Blake should start the year out, which would allow Redman to continue to take notes from the sidelines. As far as their tools, WR Travis Taylor and TE Todd Heap really turned it on and RB Jamal Lewis is a bona fide stud. I also think that WR Ron Johnson will show up sooner or later. I see it all as a REALLY GREAT OFFENSE in the making.
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, I can't see him making a comeback, nor do I want to see it. Aikman is long gone. 
It seems like only yesterday he was top rated passer in the NFL.??? He showed the kind of heart and determination that Bronco fans demand when he came back to beat the Raiders on that Monday night in Mile High. His shoulder was separated in the first half and he came back to lead his team to victory. That was a great game and a big statement from Griese. Ah, the memories... What happened to that guy? Now were stuck with a guy that curled up like an embryo and threw the ball up for grabs to avoid a big hit.
(one of my most embarrassing moments as a Bronco-Backer). I was Griese's biggest fan, but I was wrong and it's time for change. I would LOVE to see Jake the Snake don a Broncos uni. I've always enjoyed watching him play and I think it would be a big step in the right direction.
count me in on the Grieser has to go Band Wagon. He broke my fantasy football back 2 years in a row. I had high hopes for him but 
set in. Last I heard Vinny is not going any where and I doubt he would last a quarter behind Dallas O-line any way. He was never a mobile qb. and he is not getting any younger. It would be interesting to see how Jake could do in Dallas in a year or so. "Thats all I have to say about that" 
