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« on: Jul 6th, 2008, 5:26am »
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The day's finally come...  Personal circumstances and dearth of substantive response to this thread, http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;a ction=display;num=1083529145;start=25, (two years in a row) is forcing my hand...  Get your cups of jo, guys and gals!  This is an important one that you NEED to read!!!
 
I just don't know about this anymore.  With Ph.D. work and a baby on the way and, oh yea, settling in yet another new area thousands of miles away where no support network exists, I am just not seeing how I'm going to make ends meet vis-a-vis the GBRFL2.  When I say that, I mean ends both fiscally but, moreover, temporally, at least, vis-a-vis the lack of financial support I'm forecasting for this season.  While with Ph.D. work there are rarely times when things need to be done (in terms of strict work hours and meeting and deadline schedules) relative to the working world, there is never a time when there is not something you could or should be doing.  It's really just 24/7 with breaks to, say, work a part-time job.  I'm expecting that caring for a newborn is along the same lines... 24/7... and then some.
 
I know if the site were just comprised of my (hometown) league, the GBRFL, and the boards, I'd be okay.  Do know that the GBRFL, besides being the league I play in and, therefore, the league I am committed to and derive my personal enjoyment of the hobby by way of, has become the greatest source of donations in terms of dollars, and that's over and above the $50 league fee they pay, which has embedded in it some scratch for me and my efforts.  At the proverbial end of the day, my basic commitments on this site are to the GBRFL and the three main boards and the commitments to me made by the rest of the group as a whole (not individually because some of you have answered the call) have not only not changed that, but confirmed that fundamental commitment (i.e. considering how the GBRFL guys have stepped up).
 
In speaking with two people who really know me, care about me and know/witness the effort that goes into all this, the suggestions were as follows...  One, a best friend of mine, who knows the deal here says that it is just time to force the GBRFL2ers to pull their weight by finally charging them $25 to $30 a head or whatever would make me feel comfortable serving them.  This is not the direction I wanted to go in, especially right now with the economy the way it is.  But, please understand that, over five full years, the majority of GBRFL2 GM's have either never made a donation, (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/donate.htm) are not on the active donor's list (and haven't been for a full year or more), and/or have made donations in such modest amounts that they, in all honesty, don't make a dent beyond being just a nice gesture.  The other person, my loving wife, who, financial considerations aside, knows all I put into this and the incommensurate appreciation, "substantive" or otherwise,... in fact, the grief I get, thinks, thoughtful as she is, that, in light of the economy you guys don't need another fee foist upon you.  If you aren't giving it, that very well means you can't.  Her conclusion is that it is time to close shop on the GBRFL2 for a couple years.  When my final two years of coursework are finished, I could then reassess things and consider reinstating the league.  When really thinking it through, hers seems like the more realistic option.  I just don't know if a forced $25 or $30 or some "reasonable" number per head along with the grief that I know, based on experience, is likely to come with it since now it would be an official "pay service" is, vis-a-vis the history here, going to satisfy me... with an important doctoral-level paper due and a baby crying in the background... at 3:30 a.m., and this is what I'm doing with my "free" couple hours.
 
Please understand that, when it comes to running this league, doing the free-agents is on average a 30-minute job and figuring out the standings tie-breaks is roughly another 30-minute job.  So, we're at about an hour a week, and we haven't even gotten to calculating games and updating the web site, which are where most of the work lies,... and that's not to mention fixing errors and all the other mundane details.  During the season, running the GBRFL2 costs me, AT LEAST, 3 hours a week on average (remember there's a TON of extra work preseason).  For it to, then, cost me money, again, is no longer an acceptable situation.  In fact, it is a kick in the head... that I can no longer endure.
 
Now, as Jamie had helped me in the past and Jeff has the last year plus, I've thought long and hard about how I could get you guys to be 100% self-sufficient, but remain a FantasyFootballer.com "Featured League" with my "GBRFLeague" long-term vision still in place.  It's just not possible.  First off, it's not going to happen right out of the gate.  There would definitely be a training period and learning curve during which I'd spend more time answering questions than if I just did it myself, and that could go on for darn near the whole season.  Secondly, there are just some things I would have to do for yous web site-wise.
 
But, if you guys would prefer to give this a whirl on your own (keeping your connection to the site as an "affiliate league"), all I ask is that you don't discuss it here on this board.  Organize and discuss it by e-mail or, at least, private message.  Just don't do it on this board.  That would be a total slap in the face.  Once you'd have things figured out, you'd be welcome to use your board.  I could just move it down to the "Affiliate League" section.  But, furthermore, do understand that your even attempting to run this on you all's own probably implies some things I don't even want to know, like the gipping of my spreadsheet program, which has had years worth of effort put into it.  But, again, since you all would anticipatively still be an "affiliate league", I guess it wouldn't be that bad.  My only other concern would be how well it would be run.  Yahoo! leagues can prove challenging.  This is a whole nother level.  The upside of that is that it may just cause a more rubber-meets-the-road appreciation for the service I've provided you all for five years now.  But, I guess I forfeit any say on that one, in any case.  Also, know that this changes the nature of the relationship.  You guys would be totally on your own, and my whole vision for the "GBRFLeagues" would probably go out the window unless you guys decided on your own to stick with the mother league set-up.
 
"Bottom line", back to the novel idea of salvaging the GBRFL2 as is, all I know is that, at this point, five years in and with what is and will be going on in my life, running the league is one thing (perhaps just doable), but running and paying, no less not being paid, for it is just not tenable.  Let's just say for argument's sake that all I spent/had to spend on the GBRFL2 was an hour a week (in fact, if I am involved, no matter the arrangement, it'll surely be more), that would be an hour more I'd be spending in the FF world on top of everything else instead of an hour I could perhaps take for myself, and I'd be dipping into my wallet to do so.  That's just retarded.  Throw a crying baby in there and yikes!  Five years,... heck,... three years ago, was one thing, but I can no longer "afford" to "foot 'my own' bill", so to speak.
 
Bottom, bottom line, unless or, should I say, until you all come together on a "financial plan" for the GBRFL2, the league in its present state as a "Featured League" with my administrating it and running the web site for it is suspended.  I am sorry it had to come to this, but in my heart (I know how I feel week in and week out doing the GBRFL2 stuff vis-a-vis the "Site Donors" list) I can just see the writing on the wall here, and I don't want it to get to early November when the baby is due, the semester is ratcheting up and the price I am paying, literally and figuratively, for all this is well beyond my breaking point and too high.
 
If you want to save this ship, however you want to go about it, for the moment stop thinking about scheduling the draft and making deals (under the assumption that Steg will just make sure all else falls into place) as there is a BIGGER elephant in the room here to be confronted and, please, start considering/having a little consideration as a group for the chap doing nothing but busting his balls behind the scenes to provide you all with a primo "product".
 
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Peripherally related to this is the question re-posed on this thread... http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;a ction=display;num=1215336387.
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Re: GBRFL2 Suspended
« Reply #1 on: Jul 6th, 2008, 5:44pm »
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I just made a donation. Anyone else want to step up please so we can continue this great league on this great website?!?!?!?!
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Re: GBRFL2 Suspended
« Reply #2 on: Jul 6th, 2008, 9:23pm »
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First and foremost, thank you very much for the kind words, Jim! They do help my psyche.
 
Second, I wanted to see how people would "respond" to the initial messages first.  But, in light of the situation, I am considering donations made by GBRFL2ers (and CBFLers) during this time "PLEDGES" as, regardless of the "bigger picture" considerations I am really concerned about, I am sure that money given in the immediacy here is being done so with saving the league(s) specifically in mind.  So, I won't be processing any credit cards or accepting any transferred funds unless the (respective) league is going to continue.
 
Third, as per the "Paying the Bills" thread, there does need to be a reality check, though.  Let it be known that even with Jim's donation "pledge" added to the other three donations made of late, we STILL have NOT even covered the cost of "The REAL Feed"... with the more fundamental and more costly annual web-hosting fee looming, due ONE WEEK to the day (and I can't let that bill go past-due; they'll just shut us down).
 
Fourth, there is a post I just made down on the CBFL "Roll Call" thread that is probably worth everybody's carefully reading:  http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=54;a ction=display;num=1214128589.
 
Here's to the effort...
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Re: GBRFL2 Suspended
« Reply #3 on: Jul 9th, 2008, 4:23am »
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Post I just made on the CBFL "suspension" thread...  Here's where things stand...
 
on Jul 9th, 2008, 4:21am, StegRock wrote:
Thanks, Larsman...
 
We still have ground to cover, though, fellas...  With "The REAL Feed" now covered and Tim's donation pledge here, we're a little over 25% of the way toward covering the web hosting costs, i.e. not far enough along to take the leagues out of suspension mode.  I'm sorry...  I just do not want to find myself a totally unhappy camper this season.  Fact is, for me to even crack a smile, I'm hoping we can bust through the fee for the web hosting and put a few bucks "toward the good".  In light of this, as I said I would, I haven't cashed in any of the donation pledges yet.
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Re: GBRFL2 Suspended
« Reply #4 on: Jul 10th, 2008, 5:09am »
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Fellas,... the GBRFLers caN'T save this league. I'm not applying their generosity over here. In fact, I simply caN'T... That's exactly the kind of reality that will have me bitter come mid-season,... me and now my guys financing others' hobbies. I mean it's me who got them into this. They didn't ask for this. And, in any event, at this point I'm just asking for "PLEDGES" from you guys, and only one of you has stepped up (modestly). Fact is, as I promised, I haven't even processed or accepted B-Dub's or, from the CBFL, C-Dub's or Larsman's donation pledges yet. ... In the venerable words of Chris Berman,... "Come on... Deucers!"
 
What I mean by all this, by the way... http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;a ction=display;num=1068780634;start=125.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 11th, 2008, 2:12pm »
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Modestly? At least I gave what I could. I too have a family to think about.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 11th, 2008, 5:33pm »
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on Jul 11th, 2008, 2:12pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Modestly? At least I gave what I could. I too have a family to think about.

 
Woh,... Jim!  I'm just givin' yous the bottom line.  It's unfortunately gotten to this point.  "Bottom line", saving the league is going to come down to dollars and cents, not number of donations, as I wish was the case.  Time is ticking, and I'm just stating the facts as they are (relative to the situation) in an effort to engender a sense of urgency here among you guys that seems to be lacking.  Even in terms of "numbers of donation pledges", at this point you are the only one who has stepped up [to this call (let's be honest... it has been awhile, though, Jim)] and I've received anything from.  I've thanked you, and I've done the honorable thing by not processing your donation pledge.  Again, I'm not going to do anything with these pledges until I know the league is good to go, which means I am sufficiently content running the league vis-a-vis what you guys stepped up with (dollars-and-cents-wise).  At this point, you all are not even close.  If the league ends up folding, which every day that passes here is looking to be more and more the case, I will ask those who have made pledges what they would like me to do.  So,... I mean...  Let's be honest...  Potentially, your pledge will not even be cashed in, and you will have given $0 here.  Meanwhile, another 3-digit figure HIGHER than that of the cost of "The REAL Feed" is about to drop on me, and there won't be any consideration of delaying the processing of my payment.
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Re: GBRFL2 Suspended
« Reply #7 on: Jul 12th, 2008, 10:39pm »
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Boy, this is taking too much effort...  Definitely not an outpouring of support and appreciation...  I can see (both here and behind the scenes) that we are slowly potentially devolving into having it out with me rather than getting the job done...  I see this as, perhaps, my last olive branch (as if )...
 
on Jul 11th, 2008, 5:33pm, StegRock wrote:
"Bottom line", saving the league is going to come down to dollars and cents, not number of donations, as I wish was the case.

 
The above quote having been said, I am ultimately not going to lay this at the doorstep of Gene and Ray and, especially, Jeff and Cheryl.  Before all this went down, but after I made my first update to the "Paying the Bills" thread here this billing season, both Jeff and Cheryl took the time to write me quite thorough messages explaining to me their respective predicaments and apologizing for not being in a position to step up to the plate "as usual" at the moment.  That was VERY thoughtful of them.
 
They have all given, in terms of dollars and cents, SUBSTANTIAL amounts.  Make no mistakes...  The four of them have basically carried this league,... you guys,... inasmuch as their donations are what have kept me contented, and, mind you, Cheryl had been doing this well before she was in the Deuce.  Bottom line, I am sure all four of them will eventually step up the way they have in the past.  As such, I am willing to give them a pass (for now).  What I am looking to see is what the other five of you are going to do, not just for me or for the league, but for them as their good-will in terms of donations and participation in other "revenue-generating activities" is, by and large, what has been carrying you all.  Now, Jim did step up here.  What I was trying to express above (by saying "modestly"), though, was that the rate at which he gave times five is not quite going to suffice.  Mind you, I am considering what is likely to be given by Gene, Cheryl, Jeff and Ray in my calculation of what would suffice right now.
 
Now, vis-a-vis that picture, let's face it...  It doesn't look good.  I don't know what some of you are thinking or up to when you've visited the site over the last week, but you all's (supposedly) "beloved" GBRFL2 and even, to some degree, "the Gridiron" at large, as you've come to know it at least, are slowly dying before your eyes...  It really is UP TO YOU.  The site, the three main boards and the GBRFL, will be here the way "I want it" no matter what.  The question is,... will it (AND, eh-hem, I) remain up (late at night) and running (to the computer) and serving YOU???  In other words, will it continue to be up for "YOUR enjoyment"???  As I am no longer willing to take on the burden, at least not for this year, THAT is up to YOU, and the way it's going to get done is not to "have it out with, no less stick it to me".  That will actually surely have the opposite effect.
 
Mind you, I'm not optimistic.  Already, this is "costing me".  At this point, given the lack of unprompted shows of generosity, I'm not even sure how comfortable I am with accepting donations from some of you.  I remember the last time many of you who haven't given here gave.  It was during "The Streak" of 2006, which, though our high point in terms of shows of generosity, was at the same time the beginning of the end.  I paid the price for that streak in other ways that I don't want to experience again.  That's in the back of my mind.  It gave me an insight into the people I was dealing with here on "the Gridiron" (it basically corroborated something I knew going into this back six years ago, but, as I have mentioned before, didn't heed).  So, to the degree that this has been like pulling teeth, I don't have a good feeling.  If you think you are going to be sore parting with, let's just for argument's sake say, a 50 spot, PLEASE DON'T!!!  What I surely do NOT want is for you to feel the way I HAVE.  I'm NOT looking to just pass on to you this somewhat bitter feeling I have been living with.  If you just can't do it from the goodness of your heart and/or, to be fair, as I stated in one of the posts along the way here, as somewhat of a visionary with it in mind that you are getting yourself in on the ground floor of a site that may just "make it" someday, and, bottom line, with NO strings otherwise attached, THEN, PLEASE, DO NOT GIVE!!!  If you guys just don't have it in yous, THAT's the matter-of-fact definition of "it's just not meant to be".  So, so be it! But, if that is NOT the case, then, come on, fellas! The frickin' web-hosting fee is due in full TO-MORROW!!!
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 13th, 2008, 1:32am »
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This is just my opinion, not "speaking for the group" by any means, I think you have every right, totally deserve, and by any means own the right to run the site how you want to! In my guesstimation, this site started as a message board and website for your Fantasy Football league, the GBRFL. However, it has evolved into much more than that and what it has become has been directly under your control, including the CBFL, GBRFL2, the affiliate leagues, the main boards, and everything else that makes this site what it is. I'm not quite sure if the site grew faster than the vision or if the vision grew fatser than the site, or maybe nither, but I recommend that you run the site in a way that is most pleasing, efficient(considering time management), and affordable to you foremost and the original GBRFLers second. I would not take in consideration what might or might not happen with any other person that frequents or uses the site(I don't mean that in a rude way to you or anyone who uses the site). I just think that some or most of the fun, joy, contentment, pride, or usefulness of this site has been slowly sucked out of you because the growth has brought with it "growing pains". With the changes that are coming to your family, moving, a new and more challenging degree, and a joyous addition, put more time and energy into your wife, new child, as well as school, and less time and effort into this site. Manage it the way you used to when it was just for you and your friends. I'm sure it was probably funner that way for you and your friends. If you can use a cheaper web hosting fee that scales down the site, so be it. Some might look at that as a failure, but I would look at it as a decision that is better for my family and my "real" friends. Or maybe decide to run the site as a "pay for use" or "membership", that way anybody who uses it(except yourself and the O.G.'s) would be evenly buying a piece of the pie, for a lack of a better term, but I think expecting, hoping, or trying to rally for support will just lead to more frustration, anxiety, and consternation(I'm not quite sure if I'm using that word correctly, but it sounds good). Steve, I am writting this in a sincere and caring way and I hope you take it that way. I appreciate and I am thankful for your time and effort. I truly hope that these words will not hurt your feelings or your "bigger picture". Once again, just my opinion! I hope everything works out the best for you and your family.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 20th, 2008, 3:40am »
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I'll finally respond. I've taken my lumps today down on the CBFL board. This'll be mild...
 
First off, Tony, for me your post presents little in the way of refutable content. I would only say this...
 
It's not that things have grown too fast or too slow vis-a-vis my vision for the place. It's just that things are NOT "matching up" in terms of, in all honesty, the mindset of the current constituency on "the Gridiron" in relation to my "bigger picture", "cooperative" business vision (as your post evidences) and, well, my family no longer on hold (a concern which had ironically been foreshadowed in many of my posts last season). I just don't think most of yous see "the Gridiron" as an opportunity, for example, envisioning your faces on a FantasyFootballer.com magazine, at least, not to a degree that you are willing to make the sacrifices (mainly financial) to help make that happen, and, therefore, the non-capitalistic, cooperative notion of pooling resources that I'm always spouting off about is just perceived as "out there". In relation to my vision, I just think most of yous are like this is a cool site; Steg seems ambitious; I'm willing to hang around, enjoy the benefits and see where it goes. That ain't cutting it, at least not anymore. I've, at least, got to cut out the extras, at least for now. That "hanger-onner" mindset with just the boards and, perhaps even, a restoration of the FF-specific team reports to center stage is manageable, I think. The leagues are where it's become too much for me to handle (psychologically and in terms of time and effort), a situation only made worse by guys who potentially think, because they are contributing to the reports section, they shouldn't have to step up financially, in some cases, even expressing an air of indignance about the matter.
 
Second, you said that you weren't speaking for the group. But, when you wrote the following...
 
on Jul 13th, 2008, 1:32am, Tony_O wrote:
... but I think expecting, hoping, or trying to rally for support will just lead to more frustration, anxiety, and consternation.

 
... I think you are implicitly speaking for the group (nice use of "consternation", by the way ), and insofar as you are, I think you have potentially stepped on some toes. HOWEVER, I don't think you, in fact, have, because, truth is, I think you are right. I mean... I find that regrettable, but it is what it is.
 
As for how I can deal with the financing, the following portion of what I wrote in my last post down on the CBFL board speaks to that, philosophically...
on Jul 19th, 2008, 9:30pm, StegRock wrote:
Furthermore, yes, I am trying to facilitate an environment of exchange that is beyond not a few, evidently, though in all honesty not surprisingly, including you. I'm trying to reverse the polarity on the usual capitalistic mode of exchange (in a capitalist world, I know). I'm trying to facilitate an environment of genuine "giving and receiving" (when genuinely giving, you usually do so afterwards like when giving a tip or when it's really needed) instead of calculated "buying and selling" (when calculatedly buying, you only do so at the point of purchase) or, put another way, calculated "taking and taking" (as, in an utterly capitalist mindset, neither party is thinking as much about what they can give as much as what they can get). It's NOT easy, mind you, but, when it comes to this web site, this "side venture" in my life, I'm not going to sell out... because I don't need to. In fact, the success of this venture is defined for me by HOW I get it there. Actually, that's how I define success in (my) life, period. I hope to get myself and this site "there" by "giving and receiving", NOT "taking and taking". We'll see how it goes...

 
I do have something up my sleeve to try to save the league, but it'll definitely be last-minute (based on my personal circumstances)...
on Jul 19th, 2008, 6:53pm, StegRock wrote:
... on a personal note, my wife and I leave on July 28th. I lose (convenient, i.e. at home or through work) internet access a week from today, the 26th, for who knows how long, likely until the week of August 25th, my first week of classes mind you. This is based on being in transit and other circumstances I'm not bothering to divulge. This seriously compromises the effectiveness of the administration of the draft. Moreover, the more running around I have to do for this, which has become the case as you guys have let time go by here, the more I'm going to want to be "appreciated". I think this is only natural.

... and, frankly speaking, it's going to come at an expense, at least, slightly higher than if you all just took care of it now "as a group" with donation PLEDGES! I mean... those of you who aren't willing now are surely NOT going to like the number I throw at yous later. Mind you, though, my idea for a last-gasp attempt to save the league is really just out of reasonable consideration for those who have given GREATLY (in terms of dollars and cents) over the years [and the amount I'm going to throw out there is "fairly" (in both senses) commensurate with what they have given] and just in case of the outside chance that we can drum up five or so people willing to pay what I'm thinking (incidentally, I've got a similar idea for the CBFL with a slightly lower figure).
 
In terms of my vision for the site, though, I'd still like to see "what you guys can 'come up with' (in both senses)," so to speak. I want to give you guys EVERY CHANCE to step up on your own. I mean what is striking to me right now is that ALL I am asking for at this juncture are PLEDGES!!! Jim and the rest should be able to attest to the fact that I have not run their credit cards, and I just "denied" (former) CBFLer Larsman's pledge over at PayPal. I'm quite taken aback at all you guys' unwillingness to even just step up with a PLEDGE. It's NOT encouraging... So, while I hope this circumstance changes, as for the 's to your post above, Tony, again, you are pretty much... and all indications are that we need to get our 's and start diggin' the for the GBRFL2, and, as such, little to nothing further needs to be said. Even what I've written here is by and large reiteration...
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 20th, 2008, 12:58pm »
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I hope everything goes well with your move next week!
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 20th, 2008, 1:01pm »
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The GBRFL2 will continue this season, but it will be off-site. Because most of the members of the league either cannot, or will not, make the necessary financial pledges to have you continue in your GBRFL2 administrative role, Steg, some of us are going to roll up the proverbial sleeves and make the attempt to run things ourselves.
 
Everyone in the league wants to keep the league alive -- we discussed things off the site and it was unanimous.
 
Even with some hefty (last-minute) donations by the members of the deuce league, we fear that you'd still be wanting for time as the season rolls on -- and especially as it rolls into the latter stages and your immediate family increases in size by 50%.
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 20th, 2008, 9:30pm »
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Instead of stepping up, stepping out... Oh, well... That was surely an option... That's the one this group opted for and that will be duly noted... Not speaking to each and everybody individually here, but this is what I expected. In a manner of speaking, in disappointing me, you guys as a group didn't disappoint. Not that this "crowning moment" is the only thing that's factored in, but it's a far cry from the integration with the mother league I was hoping for around the five-year mark. Cie la vie to dreams on "the Gridiron" (with this group, at least)... In all honesty, it actually, overall confirms the regretful suspicions I had about this group as a whole for some time vis-a-vis (the future of) the site.
 
THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, thank you for respecting my wishes and not discussing this "move" here, and thank you for pretty much totally sparing me of unnecessary BS and ill-will such as I was put through by one particular CBFLer. Though I wish this wasn't the path you all decided to take, I myself did suggest it, and, as I said, I will be glad to have this off my plate. I hope in the long run saving the $50 or so a head turns out to have been worth it... I must admit, though, a sense of relief... on a few different levels, and for that I am absolutely thankful.
 
Do note that I am going to change the league name on the board to "The Deuce League" as I very well may want to restore the GBRFL2 in the future. That also gives you guys a history to possibly build upon if you so choose.
 
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Changing gears ever so slightly,... Jim, since things have gone this way, do you want me to cancel your donation pledge or put it through??? Just let me know, dude...
 
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Guys, it's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun. (I'm sorry I couldn't resist.) I truly do hope to still see yous all on "the Gridiron" main boards. It's lookin' like I'll be a much more relaxed Steg this year (vis-a-vis the site),... and that's not even to mention all the opportunities for good weed in San Fran. ... In fact, on that note, I suppose I should now be using "San Francisco Steg"... ->
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on Jul 20th, 2008, 9:30pm, StegRock wrote:

 I truly do hope to still see yous all on "the Gridiron" main boards.

 
I'll be there.
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on Jul 20th, 2008, 9:30pm, StegRock wrote:
Changing gears ever so slightly,... Jim, since things have gone this way, do you want me to cancel your donation pledge or put it through??? Just let me know, dude...

 
Well, Jim, the fate of the league is sealed... unfortunately not in the way you (and I) hoped when you made your donation pledge.  As I promised, though, I never processed a charge against your credit card.  At this point, what do you want me to do?  Shall I put the donation through, or not?  You do whatever you feel comfortable doing.  Let me reiterate, though...  It's all (supposed to be) for the greater good of the site.  Just, please, let me know, Jim, at your earliest possible convenience!  Thank you!
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Sad how something that was so full of life can be so dead!    This used to be the liveliest place on this site and now it has been reduced to rubble.......
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 2nd, 2008, 11:10pm »
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on Jul 26th, 2008, 7:52pm, StegRock wrote:
Well, Jim, the fate of the league is sealed... unfortunately not in the way you (and I) hoped when you made your donation pledge. As I promised, though, I never processed a charge against your credit card. At this point, what do you want me to do? Shall I put the donation through, or not? You do whatever you feel comfortable doing. Let me reiterate, though... It's all (supposed to be) for the greater good of the site. Just, please, let me know, Jim, at your earliest possible convenience! Thank you!

 
I know I'm a bit hit-and-miss for the next little while...  I'd still like to get an answer to my question above...  Is it a go or a no on the donation, Jim???
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on Aug 2nd, 2008, 11:10pm, StegRock wrote:

 
I know I'm a bit hit-and-miss for the next little while... I'd still like to get an answer to my question above... Is it a go or a no on the donation, Jim???

 
 
I don't care, do whatever you want.
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on Aug 3rd, 2008, 10:37am, BarnabyWilde wrote:
I don't care, do whatever you want.

 
As if... I'm going to put it through with that (kind of) response.  I'm willing to admit that maybe I'm reading you totally wrong here, Jim...  But, that post to me, all things considered, has an air, at best, of cynical resignation and, at worst, of pissy indignation of the passive-aggressive variety.  In the least, it's not a resounding, supportive "YES" and has obvious hard feelings attached to it.  So, I'm not going to accept it.  I'll go ahead and delete your pledge.
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