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« Reply #1 on: Aug 13th, 2008, 3:58pm »
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Anybody......I need some info. sent my way asap!!
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You guys have any use for this board, or can I go ahead and zap it???
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Steve, I can't speak for the league, but it's looking like we probably wont need to use it. I don't know if all the information was captured or not. If it's a problem for you to maintain it then I would just zap it if it was a bother.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 12th, 2008, 4:38pm »
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It's not a bother effort-wise and losing the 3,600 posts is surely a bummer, BUT it is a "bother" emotionally, psychologically, philosophically and even spiritually if you can appreciate what I mean. The diappearing act most everybody has pulled here only goes to validate my suspicions about this "group". The thank yous were rather hollow. Despite loosely throwing around the word, I was NOT really your "friend". Otherwise, my position and personal circumstances right now along with all that I did provide yous for all these YEARS now would be being appreciated, and ALL that I am still providing, which mirrors what the site originally was, which is what attracted those early members, would still be being utilized, at least a little bit. It's all good when the gravy train is on track, but when the wheels fall off, it's get out of Dodge. The fact of the matter is you guys "as a group", not particular individuals, liked me and were willing to hang around as long as I a) could provide things pro bono, and b) provided a "bigger picture" vision that could apparently potentially be capitalized on someday. But, now that "a", VERY JUSTIFIABLY mind you, is not the case, at least for the time being (but, of course, with the display of true colors this bridge is all but torched), and "b" appears to be either in question or severely compromised and probably delayed, it's, either, at best, out of short-sightedness, or, at worst, out of spite, but, in any event, with NO SHOW of compassion, leave Steg and "the Gridiron" behind. You guys' "response" here, let's face it, is somewhere between "childishly stomping off the playground, cranky that you were NOT picked first [in my (FF) life]" and "getting back or getting even" [With whom, mind you??? A guy who has basically slaved for (most of) yous for over five years and is about to become a first-time father (gee, from at least a personal perspective, I can't think of a better time to bolt on a "friend" ) while reverting back to the "revenue flow" of a full-time student and after a huge move to a new area minus ANY type of support network (another great time to abandon a "friend")]. It's easy to be so-called "friends" when the going is good. "Real" friends are made and sustained when times get hard. Here, the going got tough, and you guys got going. What you guys do NOT seem to get is that you are just proving my point with your choice of behavior, which BLOWS ME AWAY because, optimist that I am, even though I had such suspicions, I thought that when the REAL... , you guys would prove my suspicions wrong and come through with, at least, a compassionate attitude of working together with me to whatever degree possible. But, HELL NO! In fact, the sentiments were evidently worse than I suspected. You guys were fairly obviously hell-bent on making a statement, which is exactly what I need right now in life. Let me share a quick story from my past that surely applies... As a senior member of and, I guess, perceivedly stand-up guy in the ATO house at DU, it was once requested of me to be the pledge father of this one particular pledge, who was percieved to be troublesome and needing the kind of mentoring and advocacy I could provide if he was going to make it through. A couple of incidences happened, and I tried to work with him and the brothers to overcome these instances of poor judgment and worrisome behavior. At the proverbial end of the day, he ended up getting blackballed... by exactly the minimum number of votes. I defended him tooth-and-nail to the bitter end and was disgusted by the guys' decision, marching out of the meeting room making "MY" statement. Now, I still think that the FEW guys who voted him out had something against the kid and were not being 100% fair with him from day one. BUT, then, the night of his blackballing, he tried to commit suicide and had to be hospitalized. While the guys, even those who voted him out, were very persuaded by my arguments to give him (yet) another chance, the bottom line was that his suicide attempt was proof in the pudding of the instability in his personality that the guys' had perceived and ultimately justification for blackballing him. You guys' TOTALLY abandoning me here, moreover, when I haven't TOTALLY abandoned you guys [yous still have a league board here and, for those who have them, your team report pages, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY (right?), "the Gridiron", which yous "supposedly LOVED", remains very much so intact], is the proof in the pudding for me of what I have aforementionedly suspected for some time now.
 
So, MC, while it's not much sweat off my back to leave the board up here, it's not about that. I would prefer NOT to have to look at this board (on the web site for which I am paying/losing money on now again). It's become a painful chapter. It's what this board now represents, namely you all's all-important statement, that's the problem, NOT the board itself. It shouldn't be about you all's NEEDING to use it (language which, again, proves my suspicions). It should be about you all's having GOOD HEARTS and WANTING to use it. Frankly speaking, MC, even your suggestion to just "take me up on my offer" to zap the board because yous no longer "need" it has a certain "stomping off"/"getting back" edge to it (although you probably didn't intend it that way)...
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Our choice of behavior? I believe that you, Steve, were the one who forced our hand in this matter. Time and time again the members of the Duece league supported your site with time, effort and donations. When you asked, we gave, however "meager" the donation was in your eyes.  
 
You think you are the only one who has a family, or has real life issues, money problemes, etc...
Well I got news for you pal, the rest of us are real humans as well, each with thier own set of family matters to handle. I tried to donate what I could with the budget I have, and did I get a thanks? No. What I got was a line in one of your epic dissertaions about how (once again) "meager" my donation was. Well, I say, screw you if you don't want the money I can and willingly gave to you.  
 
This is your bed. You made it, you can lay in it. I am done. Delete the message board. We don't need it.
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First off, you are wrong, Jim.  I did thank you this time and every time.  I have thanked all of you MANY times for what you have done for me and the site (more, frankly speaking, than you guys have thanked me, especially over the last two years, if you want to make a tally; remember, I'm just one), and I ALWAYS post a PERSONAL thank you message to each person who drops a donation on me on the "Site Donors" thread on "the Sidelines".  I digress...  It's funny to have watched how people's memories got fuzzy during all this.  I had one guy by private message credit himself with over double the number of donations he had actually given me.  Also, you say that when I asked, you all gave.  No, you ALL did not,... some, NEVER or hardly ever, and definitely NOT ALL of the time (look no farther back than to this year's response to the "Paying the Bills" thread).  Furthermore, I didn't use the word "meager".  That's your choice of words.  I said, "modest."  You are just bent out of shape, somewhat justifiably I will admit, because even though you were the first and only guy to step up with anything here, you sort of ended up in the meat grinder of the reality that it was not the NUMBER of donations that was going to cut the mustard at this point, but rather the AMOUNT of money, which, in terms of average, your donation did not quite match.  It was a hard truth I had to deliver, and, honestly, unfortunately, you became the example.  I'm sorry for that.  But, I am also a little tired of saying, "I'm sorry," to you people.  I just didn't want to string you guys along by letting you throw "hopeless" 20's or something along those lines, which weren't going to cut it, my way.  I HAD TO give you guys the bottom line.  As I just recently wrote in a private message to two of you guys, it was my peace of mind that was what was at stake and for sale.  I just couldn't sell myself too short and too cheap.  And, I surely hope that you are not suggesting the ridiculous notion that I HAD TO, that it was/had become my "duty" to, run this league for yous forever and ever regardless of the direction of my own life for "whatever" yous could muster up, which was, for all appearances, nothing this year as the response to the "Paying the Bills" thread this year evidenced.  And, your claim of "willingly giving me money" is very tenditious, Jim.  Let's be real!  If I had accepted your donation and the GBRFL2 still ended up tanking, you would NOT be a happy camper.  You'd probably be calling me a thief and a scam-artist now on top of everything else.  And, it's not at all that I think I am the only one who has a family, or has real life issues, money problems, etc.  It's simply that you guys could not (evidently) afford my services at this time because, REGRETFULLY mind you, all things considered, I couldn't "afford" (in many senses) to do these extras anymore as I had been.  And, alas, with your mean-spirited "this is your bed" comment, which was surely meant to be hurtful to me, you still seem to think I'm full of regret.  What's transpired here is regrettable, BUT I'm not at all, quite the contrary in fact (I'm enjoying fantasy football again like I used to... aside from this BS), personally regretful in terms of the "bigger picture" and finally learning who I want and do not want to share that (vision) with.
 
What IS a shame and striking here is that you guys are so unwilling to find the middle ground with me, the middle way.  It's like you guys, and at least you here, Jim, just want to flush six years of relations down the drain and COMPLETELY torch any remnants of a bridge that should be left... if there was ANY meaning and genuineness to the last six years (and you, all of yous, don't seem to see how, at best, that so resembles a baby screaming out for it's botsy).
 
But, anyway, this was probably just another one of these disserations you're not even taking the time to read... The mean-spiritedness of your post, and, I'm sure, your unwillingness to re-reflect and back down (we'll see) is further "proof in the pudding"... of, at least, who you are.  For one, as it relates specifically to this particular turn of events at present, I observe that your 9-1-1 communicative sensibility leads you to be able to turn on people (at least, that you are not really close to) on a dime because the relationships (at least the one you allegedly had with me evidently) lack the depth and meaning that more thorough, even lengthy, exchange requires.  If you can't see it, I'm still, one last time, REACHING OUT TO YOU GUYS here (of course, I'm doing it in a way in which I maintain some of my dignity and pride), and you're just throwing it back in my face,... moreover (because it really probably is beyond hope at this point), in a way that exemplifies ZERO respect, at least, for the history of this place, if for nothing else, such as gratitude for my efforts, which just seems INCOMPREHENSIBLE to you (guys) at this point.
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Let's put it this way...  Can anyone finish the following thought?
 
Assuming, just for one generous moment, that Steg has done much self-reflection and soul-searching regarding what's transpired and gets our "feeling" of disenfranchisement and all our possible retorts, what WE don't seem to be getting here is...
 
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What IS a shame and striking here is that you guys are so unwilling to find the middle ground with me, the middle way. It's like you guys, and at least you here, Jim, just want to flush six years of relations down the drain and COMPLETELY torch any remnants of a bridge that should be left... if there was ANY meaning and genuineness to the last six years (and you, all of yous, don't seem to see how, at best, that so resembles a baby screaming out for it's botsy).

 
This quote is what made me respond. Where was the middle ground for me? I was one of your biggest contributors. Maybe not in total sum but i was a regular no doubt. So forget the money. That wasnt it. I participated regularly. For some, maybe too much. But that wasnt it either. You just flat out didnt care for me or my style. I dont think I was dissrespectful to you in any way. Other than have my own opinion from time to time. I always cringed when you responded to anything I wrote. At one time you even replied to something i wrote by saying " I almost never like anything you post" Or something to that same effect. There was no purpose for that at all. I believe my absence from the site was explained by you to others by saying you were once again "scorching the fields of those who just dont get the bigger picture".  
I thought you threw me an olive branch by inviting me to the CBFL in the last minute attempt to save it. I was very busy at work and could not get free to help in a draft for a week at best, so I turned it politely down. ( In the right way too). I also nicely asked you a few (nice) questions in that email response to you that you didnt bother to reply to. All that said to me was that you could use my help because you really had no other choice, but really dont give a fuck if I was ever around. I know you would say that it was my choice to leave. Factually that is correct. However, beating someone up till they leave isnt much of a choice. Taking the fun out of it makes the choice easy. [ remember that last sentence. Its the story of the whole thread.] People dont come here for drama. We get that at work or home. We come here to get away. Thats the big picture you dont get. We come here to have fun. A little freedom of thought and expression. We dont come here to be part of some great new FF mag. That would be nice. But thats your dream. Where was my middle ground? Steve, I understand that you are a very driven man. Your education is always pushing forward. Your family is pushing forward. You want this site to push forward as well. But have you stopped to consider that this site may be exactly where it needs to be. A get away for your former, present and future friends. If that was the case, then I am sure you would get help with the money.
 
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Let's put it this way... Can anyone finish the following thought?  
 
Assuming, just for one generous moment, that Steg has done much self-reflection and soul-searching regarding what's transpired and gets our "feeling" of disenfranchisement and all our possible retorts, what WE don't seem to be getting here is...

 
......... To Steg this is much more than just a FF web-site. Much, much more. and even through the failure of best laid plans, he's a little hurt by the absents of his friends.
 
 
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"scorching the fields of those who just dont get the bigger picture"

 
 
 
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Another by and large UNself-reflected upon piece... Let me define... LOTS of critical reflection on me... Little to none on oneself... Par for the course...
 
on Sep 13th, 2008, 8:54am, sk wrote:
Where was the middle ground for me?

 
(As regards getting to the middle ground, I'm going to sound condescending here, but I just can't figure out how to word this more gently...) I'm going to have to show yous that dance too,... how to stand back, take pause, see "the bigger picture" of things reflectively and with a less subjective and more compassionate and GENEROUS mind, and make steps on the middle path toward the MIDDLE GROUND and ultimately progress. Something will be coming, probably later in the day, that will well exemplify THE MIDDLE GROUND here, not anyONE's middle ground which is all diluted with "personal baggage". I just can't believe that I've had to do all the walking to it.
 
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You just flat out didnt care for me or my style. I dont think I was dissrespectful to you in any way. Other than have my own opinion from time to time. I always cringed when you responded to anything I wrote. At one time you even replied to something i wrote by saying " I almost never like anything you post" Or something to that same effect. There was no purpose for that at all.

 
There's much truth to your first sentence. The second sentence expressed a half-truth or, perhaps I'll grant you, a three-quarters-truth. Your post in response to my announcing a BIG, personal event in Gino's and my life, the coming of our first baby, was disrespectful-ish (I would say unkind in spirit) or, at least, not very thoughtful. Come on... But, I'LL ADMIT that we'd already established a "negative" rapport by then and that, in that light, it's understandable. (MIDDLE GROUND!) HOWEVER, that's a two-way street! As for your fourth sentence, backatchya! In regards to your fifth through seventh sentences, that's exactly what I wrote; I meant it, and THEREIN lies the justification/purpose for saying so. Or, need I censor myself in my own living room for which I pay the electricity. We just clashed, and, again, it takes TWO to tango, I'm sorry.
 
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I thought you threw me an olive branch by inviting me to the CBFL in the last minute attempt to save it. I was very busy at work and could not get free to help in a draft for a week at best, so I turned it politely down. ( In the right way too). I also nicely asked you a few (nice) questions in that email response to you that you didnt bother to reply to. All that said to me was that you could use my help because you really had no other choice, but really dont give a fuck if I was ever around.

 
You self-centered, self-important snot (I'm sorry I couldn't help myself). YES, you did decline the offer in the right way. Thank you! I did, despite what happened, make the offer, though. (MIDDLE GROUND!) HOWEVER, IN ANY EVENT, since roughly Monday, July 21st, a week before our departure from Hawaii, a week I was still working and moving, I haven't responded to ANY personal, friendly e-mails, including from my MOM since arriving back in Cali (and haven't even spoken with her on the phone for a week) because our lives are still upside-down. I mustered up my last ounce of energy, during this particular jumbled up period of my life, to try to make one last run at saving the CBFL. We have been in transit and haven't been settled down for approaching two months. Internet access has been hit-and-miss, a Starbuck's run here, a quick log-on from CIIS there; sometimes the hotel connection was reliable, sometimes not, for almost two months now. My not responding to the personal side of your message was simply about that and had NOTHING to do with this fictitious BS in your head. That having been said, if my life wasn't doing a 720 with a full-twist, had I not responded to you, it admittedly probably would have had something to do with that negative rapport we had, which, if considered objectively, would be reasonable justification for my not responding and your CHALKING IT UP. (MIDDLE GROUND!) At least, before letting your imagination run wild, you might have "consider"ed the "bigger picture" of my circumstances, which you did know of as the move aspect was precisely what you asked about. Our lives have been upside-down this whole time, and I haven't responded to people MUCH closer to me than, knock-knock, you. Again, another exchange (with sk) virtually devoid of self-reflection, pause and generosity. There have been times over the past three-plus weeks where Gino and I have just gone from point A to point B without tending to the basic needs of life like eating and washing, no less "phoning" and "e-mailing"... steelkings, a guy who technically is NO LONGER even a member of my web site, but to whom I simply, but graciously offered a spot in the CBFL (something yous don't know, though I did post it up on one of the threads on the mother-league board, we had a last-minute promise of housing fall through, which TOTALLY bollixed us up; going into the fourth week of school, and we're still not settled in, sitting in an empty apartment). I digress... Hell, Mr. Money-grubber that I am (I know that's not what YOU, sk, are saying, but others I'm sure somehow think it), I haven't even checked the e-mailbox where donations/payments come in and, thus, not processed any, and I KNOW I've received funds because people have asked me what's up with their credit cards' not being processed yet.
 
I do want to digress once again... You are portraying your warm-and-fuzzy personal message to me a bit tendentially, sk. Come on! You just basically asked how the move to Cali went, which lots of people in passing ask. You didn't ask the more caring questions that a truly close friend asks like "how my wife was," "is the baby starting to make herself known, kicking and stuff," "are yous still unsettled," "how do you feel about heading back to school," "are you enjoying your time with your mom in Jersey (which is ACTUALLY where I was when I wrote that e-mail, NOT Cali; not that I expect you to necessarily know that, but it is exemplary of the "closeness" or lack thereof between us; I mean your question was at the time, really, totally non sequitur)," etc., etc. Again, in any case, despite everything, you were STILL one of just 12 who I invited, and I even included a little personal "P.S." to YOU and NO ONE else in that message. So, SMILE, take the gesture for what it is, self-reflect a little, walk the middle path, and GIMME A BREAK, dude! There was nothing but goodness there within the framework of a guy's life that's been just a little hectic lately to a dude who ultimately is no longer even a member of his site.
 
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I know you would say that it was my choice to leave. Factually that is correct. However, beating someone up till they leave isnt much of a choice.

 
Again, we aren't each others' cup of tea... Come say, come sa. I'm even willing to admit, and it's taken my hard head a long time to learn and come to accept this mind you, that I'm not the "cup of tea" for MANY people in this medium. (MIDDLE GROUND!) I'm much better face-to-face and even over the phone. For one, I've just got too much going on in that head of mine to communicate it adequately via this medium, especially if my interlocutors are not going to be VERY generous in their interpretations of me at every turn, which, I'm slowly learning, may be too much to expect.
 
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Taking the fun out of it makes the choice easy. People dont come here for drama. We get that at work or home. We come here to get away. Thats the big picture you dont get. We come here to have fun. A little freedom of thought and expression. We dont come here to be part of some great new FF mag. That would be nice. But thats your dream. Where was my middle ground? Steve, I understand that you are a very driven man. Your education is always pushing forward. Your family is pushing forward. You want this site to push forward as well. But have you stopped to consider that this site may be exactly where it needs to be. A get away for your former, present and future friends. If that was the case, then I am sure you would get help with the money.

 
Dude, there are a MILLION assumptions here. You are speaking for A LOT of people, to whom I'm sure what you say doesn't apply. If and WHEN I have enough money to pay/pass on to my writers and staffers, we'll see how much your comment about what people are here for is true. I'm not saying that you don't have a point, but I think it's far from the blanket truth as you present it above. (MIDDLE GROUND!) As for your claim regarding how more donations would be generated, that assumption of spontaneous and unprompted generosity [at least, vis-a-vis the kind of site I want to have here, about which your observations are accurate (MIDDLE GROUND!)] is strictly in Todd's world. I'll say this. It contradicts what my experience has been. In general, back in the day, people didn't start giving until I started asking.
 
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......... To Steg this is much more than just a FF web-site. Much, much more. and even through the failure of best laid plans, he's a little hurt by the absents of his friends.
 
Steg wrote, "... scorching the fields of those who just dont get the bigger picture"
 

 
Todd, there is something you are missing here... I don't REALLY care in the long run. I'm just in utter disbelief right now. I just can't belief that you guys are so willing to take me up on my lowest-common-denominator "offer" and/or take the low road at every turn here. Since the suspension of the GBRFL2, there has been NO ONE who has taken the absolute high road, except for Jim when he made that original pledge/donation (modest/meager or not) and subsequent post. ... So, it will be interesting to see how you all "respond" to my last possible MIDDLE-GROUND gesture, which, again, should be coming later today/tonight...
 
 
In the meantime, does ANYONE else want to take another run at this...???
on Sep 12th, 2008, 8:14pm, StegRock wrote:
Let's put it this way... Can anyone finish the following thought?
 
Assuming, just for one generous moment, that Steg has done much self-reflection and soul-searching regarding what's transpired and gets our "feeling" of disenfranchisement and all our possible retorts, what WE don't seem to be getting here is...
 
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I apologise. It is obvious that my input was not only useless. It was unwanted. Useless in a way that "you dont listen to anyone anyway" and unwanted in that "you dont listen to anyone anyway."  
 
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on Sep 13th, 2008, 7:53pm, sk wrote:

 
What does that mean?
 
Backatchya... ... (but I'll throw a wink on the end).
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on Sep 13th, 2008, 7:53pm, sk wrote:
I apologise. It is obvious that my input was not only useless. It was unwanted. Useless in a way that "you dont listen to anyone anyway" and unwanted in that "you dont listen to anyone anyway."

 
What-eeever, dude (as my wife and I do a group vomit over the computer)!  You doN'T know me at all.  Don't pretend to!  There is NO better listener on the planet... when it's worth it...  I met you on the middle ground on many points while the middle ground, evidenced by this very post, still fleets you.  There are MUCH more PRODUCTIVE and PROGRESSIVE ways you could have bantered back... than with just throwing in the towel, moreover, in an overtly mean-spirited way.
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You self-centered, self-important snot (I'm sorry I couldn't help myself).

 
Yes you could have. Its not to hard to hit the reply button and say " thanks. Talk atcha later". You type to good for that excuse.  
 
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I'll say this.  It contradicts what my experience has been.  In general, back in the day, people didn't start giving until I started asking.  

 
Thats not true with me. I started giving well before you started asking outwordly. I gave after as well.  
 
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So, it will be interesting to see how you all "respond" to my last possible MIDDLE-GROUND gesture, which, again, should be coming later today/tonight...  

 
I hope it is positive. Purhaps all this can be worked out. Purhaps not between us but possibly with others.
 
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(as my wife and I do a group vomit over the computer)!

 
 a scoop of Chocolate Mocha and a scoop of mint - chocolate chip always fixed that for my wife. Baskin Robbins was very helpful. I hope Gino finds her source of comfort food. Gerbers apple sauce is pretty good too.
 
 
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on Sep 13th, 2008, 9:06pm, sk wrote:
Yes you could have. Its not to hard to hit the reply button and say " thanks. Talk atcha later". You type to good for that excuse.

 
Fair enough!  I never claimed perfection. I'm sorry.  I was really offended, though.  There is a back-and-forth going on here.
 
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Thats not true with me. I started giving well before you started asking outwordly. I gave after as well.

 
That's bologna, Todd!  Your first donation was made after I started my usual Christmas "Salvation Army-style rattling of the tin can" (see http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;a ction=display;num=1068780634;start=25).  As for your other donations, I believe if you went back and looked 'em all up, most, maybe not all, would coincide with either my June/July "rattling" or my November/December "rattling".  In any event, you did not start your giving unpromptedly, so your statement is tendential, at best.  It is what it is...
 
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I hope it is positive. Purhaps all this can be worked out. Purhaps not between us but possibly with others.

 
I think it's going to end up being too late (sheerly because Gino and I are just now settling down, and I can really sink my teeth into this stuff).  But, hopefully the gesture and effort will be appreciated and responded to in "kind(ness)".
 
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a scoop of Chocolate Mocha and a scoop of mint - chocolate chip always fixed that for my wife. Baskin Robbins was very helpful. I hope Gino finds her source of comfort food. Gerbers apple sauce is pretty good too.

 
I think you understood what I really meant by that, but, in any event, on a personal note, she's been a TOTAL trooper,... nary a bout with throw up or even discomfort in general.  I'm a lucky man to have such an easy-going and trooper of a wife.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 13th, 2008, 10:20pm »
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Life has a way of working itself out. It just kind of moves along, doesnt it?
 
It was good talking with you tonight, Steve. Truely.Sometimes I miss the back and forth. Before I go maybe I'll visit the "politics" thread....Then again....Maybe not......You know....Too much of a good thing and all....
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on Sep 13th, 2008, 9:42pm, StegRock wrote:
I think you understood what I really meant by that, but, in any event, on a personal note, she's been a TOTAL trooper,... nary a bout with throw up or even discomfort in general. I'm a lucky man to have such an easy-going and trooper of a wife.

 
That's much better than the alternative... my wife went through morning (noon, and night) sickness for the first 5-6 months of each pregnancy and was hospitalized during each because of it. First one happened when she was about 6 weeks along and we were in Florida (Marco Island for a biz meeting), trying to find a hospital in Naples at 10:00 PM and still hoping to catch a 7:00 AM flight home the next morning.
 
Glad to hear it's going smoothly thus far.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 13th, 2008, 11:42pm »
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Thanks, Jeff...
 
on Sep 13th, 2008, 10:20pm, sk wrote:
Life has a way of working itself out. It just kind of moves along, doesnt it?
 
It was good talking with you tonight, Steve. Truely.Sometimes I miss the back and forth. Before I go maybe I'll visit the "politics" thread....Then again....Maybe not......You know....Too much of a good thing and all....

 
Well, I had to be doing the GBRFL stats here tonight (LATE as hell, mind you ), so really I couldn't chat as much as I would have liked.  I felt, with you here tonight, that our more brisk back-and-forth "conversation" was getting somewhere.  Though a little... at times, overall it was going in the right direction.  I OFTEN feel like if that back-and-forth was what was to happen when it comes to those... matches with the old Stegger, they would end MUCH MORE amicably and even agreeably than the person having it out with me might ever imagine.  Of course, if we only had the time, right? As I had said, and I think it probably stands for most of us (who have stuck it out this long here), I am MUCH better on the phone or face-to-face.  So, the realization is that it is NOT as much us as we think it is as it is the medium that we are stuck in here.
 
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Anyway, backatchya, sk! Here's to doing it again sometime... (on the politics thread ... ).
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My fill-in-the-blank went in the tank...  Oh, well!  In any event, as this board likely beats its final heartbeats, somehow I just wanted to copy-and-paste these over here...
 
on Jul 25th, 2008, 6:01pm, cwhams wrote:
It is the greater good that is at stake here, the "good" or "positive" that is the essence of what I believe we should seek.
 
In your case, my case, other member case, I would hope we could take this moment in time and use it to learn.  
 
The site is essentially you Steg.  It will only grow if you allow it to do so and only in the direction that you choose to direct it. Larson's departure or the departure or for that matter the arrival of others to this site does not signify or define it's death or health.  Instead it is all a matter of growth.  
 
You are tired and need a period of rest, upon your full return, not that you have ever left, who knows where this journey will lead?  
 
For me it is a matter of interest and observation...it applies to all aspects of life...I hope others may get a glimpse of the universal applications to be found here.

 
on Jul 13th, 2008, 11:40pm, T-Rave wrote:
On top of this, you maintain more than a merely cordial-but-curt relationship (which is the kind of relationship "administrator" brings to mind) with us Gridironers.  You initiate discussions, you wear your heart on your sleeve, you get completely (sometimes, perhaps, too much so ) involved in said discussions, you rail at us when we're indifferent, you thank us when we're not, you beg for help, you reward for labor, etc., etc., etc.

 
How could it go so wrong here (RHETORICAL QUESTION meant strictly for reflection, especially at this late, rather hopeless point)???
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