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Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
« Reply #25 on: Nov 1st, 2009, 8:25pm »
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So let me get this straight .... Greg Jennings, Hasselbeck, Michael Bush and McFadden for Ryan Grant, Jason Witten and Todd Collins.
 
Interesting. At first I thought it must be a mistake (it seemed to favor Stegeman by a lot). But upon reflection, I guess Hasselbeck is done, Bush is garbage and McFadden has not lived up to anything and Grant and Witten are pretty consistent. But Jennings is the real deal in my opinion. I know he is not having a great year, but great young receivers are hard to find. I would not have given up Jennings ... but that is just my opinion. I know that I will be kicking myself for years for given up Crabtree.
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« Reply #26 on: Nov 1st, 2009, 11:32pm »
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on Nov 1st, 2009, 2:16pm, StegRock wrote:

 
I just hope LenDale works out for you BIG time... Though, I bet you could have had him for free off the waiver-wire in a week or so...

 
I think he may work out better than the Fitzpatrick deal. He didn't have a 3rd or even a 4th rounder.  
 
You should be talking after that royal fucking you gave Mark in that Witten deal. Mark is either getting Desperate or losing his mind.  
DB you are correct about Witten and his consistancy....getting worse that is. He has 1 TD all year long. I think maybe this deal was payback for the 12 first rounders Hahn has screwed Steg out of for some many years.  That's the only way I can get my head around this trade. After seeing this deal I see why Mark said what he said about the Boldin/Witten thing Steg offered me. It makes sense to him I guess. Maybe Todd Collins was the "icing" on the cake as it were. without him...Mark would be really screwed!!!
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Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
« Reply #27 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 2:03am »
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Wow... The haters (who couldn't cut a straight-up big deal for the life of them, not that DB needs to at this point in his team's history mind you) abound... Hasselbeck done... Uhhhh,... okay... Bush, I'm admittedly luke-warm on at best, BUT McFadden is FAR from a bust at this still early point in his career with a lousy team. He'll get his "real" chance eventually, whether or not it comes together in Oakland. As for the Collins/Johnson part of the deal, that was just to make sure the deal was evened out and nothing was forgotten that could fuck it up. Far as I can tell, DB is kaliedoscopic these days, but he's earned such a vantage point (it's a little hard to trash-talk his players at the moment, though I suppose I could make a fairly strong argument for saying that Steve Smith is as "done" as Matt Hasselbeck). Joe is high as usual. That said, the split in "opinion" just goes to show the end-of-the-day evenness of the deal. Joe just wishes he could make such a deal and not his usually piddly-ass, semi-underhanded shit with Trout.
 
As for the Fitzpatrick deal, I will admit that I walked away from that a very unhappy customer. I showed my desperation with that deal. I didn't feel good about it when I made it. I felt the whole time like I was bidding against air and getting taken advantage of... for the sake of getting just a little bit more. [READ... IMPORTANT parenthetical... It's funny how that works... Now, don't get me wrong here... If you can get that deal you perceive to be great, a "rip-off" (like the one I almost gave to, nay, gift-wrapped for Steve early in the week, which it is completely undertstandable for him to want to jump on; after all, I was offering it, Grant and Witten for Bulger, Fitzpatrick and Reggie Bush ), not that there isn't a similar consequence to the one I am going to tease out here, that's part of the game. We're big boys... But, with these piddly-shit deals that really aren't the "difference makers" (I think the proof is in the pudding on that), I don't get the invitation to ill will. If I had made the deal for a 4th-rounder, I would be disappointed but content. Instead, I walk away with a bad taste in my mouth that. In the bigger picture of (possibly) cutting (bigger, more meaningful) deals in the future, is it, having the guy walk away feeling like he's been had, really worth the difference between a 4th and 3rd round pick... or, for that matter, pulling a fast one, quite literally, on a guy so as to upgrade from a 3rd-rounder to a protection spot? And, note, the difference between this and the above example has ALL or at least A LOT to do with who is doing the offering/being forced to make the offer, i.e., I was freely offering Steve that insane BS above, so that, if I did it, would have been on me.] We all know, Fitzpatrick has his value limits, which could last, best case scenario, until the end of the season. Now we know it's going to be less than that. I wouldn't have even considered making a deal for Fitzpatrick in my wildest dreams had I not been in the pickle I was in this past week, and I am going to go 0-2 anyway.
 
So, bringing this around full circle, taking Joe's and what, when I talked to him at least, was Steve's position on my deal with Mark this week, it's not that I got the "better deal". That's not even the right evaluative motif! Rather, is it no wonder he and I so frequently cut deals because the good will we have established over the years, some deals going his way, some mine, but very rarely a deal made with an eye towards exploiting a situation, and never to do so over piddly shit? I made some deals with Mark going back in time where I, knowing that my team was getting crotchety [I started making these handful of "questionable" trades with him the year after I won my last championship, during which I gave up an injured, but awesome Steve Smith and some for Brian "hold me over for a month at the end of the season and get me to this championship" Griese, another trade, looking back, that kind of makes me queasy in this way I am speaking here], was trying something, experimenting if you will, and at the same time putting Mark in a position to pursue his passion, the draft. Maybe I was giving up a bit much in hindsight, BUT a) it wasn't about getting the proverbial "better deal"; it was about giving-and-taking based on relative styles of playing the game, and b) I was asking for it, in any event. THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, Mark acquired in 2005 my 1st-rounders through 2010 and just a little later my 2011, BUT I can't get ONE soul, including one notable soul so sure Mark has gotten the "better deals", to give me shit for my 2012. At the very least, that smells of TENDENTIOUSNESS. But, I digress... So, yes, at this point perhaps Mark is a bit softened in his approach to me, but don't think that is so much due to the fact that he's gotten the "better deal" as it is that I've worked with him in a way that accords with his style of play because, Lord knows, I've gotten the "better deal" many times before. A great example of this is the "Rod Smith" deal he and I made. In my heart, I don't appreciate Mark's having done that deal with me because I got the "better deal", which I surely did (Albert Connell when he went to the Saints and disappeared never to return for Smith), but, rather, because he was accommodating my creative style of enjoying the hobby (Rod was the last guy I needed for my 1999-2000 BLACKSmiths). Incidentally, Trout also made this kind of deal with me a number of years ago (he gave me Isaac Bruce for Jerry Rice) and I've never forgotten and it inclines me to making nothing big-big, but small deals that help him out. Again, for the umpteenth time, it's not about getting the "better deal", especially when it comes to the piddly stuff. It is more so, I have found (in life), doing the, quite literally, little things that contribute to establishing good will.
 
Milking a draft pick one round higher just because you can, not because of true objective value but because of the pickle the other guy is in, doesn't serve those ends, and, surely, getting a protection spot when you've been advertising a price of a 3rd-rounder doesn't. That's all I'm saying. Of course, you can do it. It's not against the rules. It's "a style". But, when the rules/the law is your only moral arbiter,... let's just say it's not a good sign. Your ethics are based on the lowest common denominator. Law is superfluous to the truly ethically-minded. That's why it can never be "the answer" to the question of meliorism. But, I digress... If that's your style, dispersing nuggets of bad will, just know that it comes with a price, a corresponding mode of ill treatment that should not evoke your surprise or dismay.
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Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
« Reply #28 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 6:37am »
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But, I digress... If that's your style, dispersing nuggets of bad will, just know that it comes with a price, a corresponding mode of ill treatment that should not evoke your surprise or dismay.]

 
 
 
 
Joe- In all honesty, do not be surprised when people do not answer calls or not respond to e-mails. You know in your heart of hearts it was a BS deal. Even if he did not have a 3rd or 4th rounder, why not"throw back a draft pick" that you are infamous for?? IE.... give him a 3rd or 4th round pick back.
 
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Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
« Reply #29 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 9:12am »
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I don't really have the attention span to read such extensive posts, but I did see something about me, Steve Smith and kaleidoscopes.
 
So if you are offering me Greg Jennings (by the way, the point of my post was that you ripped Mark off by getting G. Jennings, but just not as bad as I initially thought) for Steve Smith and my kid's kaleidoscope, consider it a done deal. Smith scored this week and the kaleidoscope has Thomas the Train on the outside.
 
Oh and by "experimenting if you will", Steve, do you mean to say that you intentionally gave away a top team at that time to see how quick and easily you could rebuild a team?
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« Reply #30 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 12:07pm »
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First off, D-Quave, you NEED to sit with a cup of jo and enjoy the whole post in its entirety...  It's rich... if you know what I mean...  With that said...
 
on Nov 2nd, 2009, 9:12am, DB wrote:
I don't really have the attention span to read such extensive posts, but I did see something about me, Steve Smith and kaleidoscopes.  
 
So if you are offering me Greg Jennings (by the way, the point of my post was that you ripped Mark off by getting G. Jennings, but just not as bad as I initially thought) for Steve Smith and my kid's kaleidoscope, consider it a done deal.  Smith scored this week and the kaleidoscope has Thomas the Train on the outside.

 

 
That shit was fuckin' HYSTERICAL!!!
 
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Oh and by "experimenting if you will", Steve, do you mean to say that you intentionally gave away a top team at that time to see how quick and easily you could rebuild a team?

 
Yes and no,... but not exactly per your question, D...  I did think that,... though I had just won a championship, I was very fortunate to have done so, i.e. I didn't think I had, relatively speaking of course, close to the best team on paper, at least moving forward, and, moreover, it was an aging one,... it was time to do some jettisoning, and I did think,... I think I said to many of you,... it would likely be three years until I am competitive again, which has panned out to be the case.  It was kind of a personal challenge to build the team back up from virtual dust in a calculated fashion, instead of the "inevitable" way teams decline like DB's in the late 90's, Trout's, Feder's, etc., etc.  But, I did not decide to do it sheerly out of thin air.  The timing seemed right.  It seemed like I was in for a bit of a nose dive, and I was just going for an "in control" nose dive instead of an "out of control" one, which I thought would minimize the damage in the long run, and I think I might (have) end(ed) up being right, i.e., it took about a decade for DB to get back into it, and we'll see about Trout and Feder, but it doesn't look good.  Ultimately, it will have taken me about three or four years to be back in the thick of it (this past fuckin' week aside).  On the other hand, if you recall, I acquired a bunch of first-rounders that first year...  I think, including mine, I ended up holding four (or five or the first pick of the second round) in all...  It's the year I took Benson, Smith, Edwards, Williamson and Mike Williams,... not one of whom panned out within their first two years... or ever, which has surely hindered my comeback.  So, in any event, I was experimenting with the draft in a Mark Hahn style.  That's really where the explicit experimenting was, per se.  The tearing down of my team was not so much an experiment as I, then, thought it was "time".
 
 
 
P.S. (Has anyone seen Trout's new team name, by the way???)
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on Nov 1st, 2009, 11:32pm, DOLFAN wrote:

That's the only way I can get my head around this trade.

 
For some reason, I just can't get past this comment without laughing. I am trying to picture the determined look of concentration on Joe's face as he "tries to get his head around this trade".  
 
Here's something to get your head around - your thick skull. If I had made the same offer to you, I would have been lucky to get Tomlinson and DB's 2010 8th round pick (acquired through the trade of your 2011 7th round & 9th round in exchange for Frank's 2012 9th, via your 6th rounder and 14th wk, 2nd round free agent deal).
 
And don't come back posting that you would have thrown in Crapshard Choice. Although I could see you "dangling" Vernon Davis or John Carney.
 
p.p.s. - seen it and will be offering a trade for it soon enough...
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Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
« Reply #32 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 3:18pm »
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Just my two cents here, boys -- everyone else is putting in theirs . . .
 
My first reaction was shock -- I thought Steg had caught Mark on a bad day.  Hasselbeck is a huge upgrade from Collins and/or Johnson, Jennings is a huge upgrade from Witten, and the Bush/McFadden combo, while at least one step down from Ryan Grant, is still full of potential.  Objectively speaking, it seems that Steg got the better end -- depending on one's valuing of players, Steg's end is better at least by a little and quite possibly by a lot.  I still think that's true.
 
But we're missing the important point here, guys, or at least it seems that we are.  Trades have two levels: objective and subjective.  That is, there is the objective trade value and the subjective trade value.  The subjective trade value is what the trade does for MY team: is my team better after the trade than before?  That's the important question.  It's clear to me that for both Steg and Mark, their teams are quite a bit better after this trade than before.  Just look at their rosters -- Mark gives up a good receiver, but he still has 3 top-25 receivers, plus a couple of up-and-coming receivers; Mark gives up Hasselbeck, but he has no need for him since he has Cutler, Warner, and Stafford; Mark gives up Bush/McFadden, but he gets a top-flight running back.  So really, Mark's team is better now than it was before.  He gives up players he doesn't need to get players he does, even if the objective value doesn't equate.  Steg certainly is better now than before: he gives up a top running back to fill a GIGANTIC hole at quarterback and to get a high level receiver to aid a roster that really needed one, and he still gets back a running back tandem with lots of potential.
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« Reply #33 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 4:17pm »
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In reagrds to Trout's new team name:
 
Wow how original. Well Trout and Steg it looks like someone finally gets to use that name, although I certainly think it does not fit. I have a better name for his team that truly fits:  
 
"THE PARSONS REJECTS" !!!!
 
 That would fit much better, ROFLM(FUCKING)AO
 
Now...That shit is fuckin' HYSTERICAL!!!
 
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA. Shit guys , all of you all know my name for his team is much fuckin' better. When you stop laughing, get up off the floor, from falling out of your chair, send me an email about it!!!!
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #34 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 4:19pm »
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LT2 is still available for trade. For all you team ready to "make a run" send me an offer. I am still looking to trade him, even though he is a bit old.  
 
Feder...need not apply. Although you sure could use him.
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« Reply #35 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 8:05pm »
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At least im not the only one who cant stand dealing with you!
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« Reply #36 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 10:28pm »
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Mini-me, you have no room to talk. You have been trying to trade your loser "STUD" WRs for 3 weeks now for a RB that has a pulse. Yet you still have not done a deal...what does that say about you???
 
Hell Warner even used me to squeeze even more blood from the turnip...STEG...for Fitzpatrick.  
Oh yeah, how's that kid Mike Sims-Walker doing??? 2-9 yds this week, WHAT A STUD!!!
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« Reply #37 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 8:21am »
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I have asked you 3 times for a side bet of 500 that i place better then you with no response, You even have a game lead or so? All talk you are and any of my 6 rc is better then your #1 including Dallas clark. Crabtree and Nicks is jsut getting ready for next year. Enough with your shit talking, seriously, nobody in the leaugue can deal with you. How the fuck are you still married, your wife has to be either def or blind,one of the two living with you!
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 10:45am »
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Setting aside the fact that $500 is a ridiculous amount to bet and the fact that Joe does not seem like the gambling type, wouldn't it make more sense for you guys to bet (if you are going to) based on how well you do in 2012 or something.  I know the commish frowns on this stuff and I am just saying .... if both of you are rebuilding as you say, shouldn't you bet about a certain future year to see who is the better rebuilder .... that way you guys can have this online bickering forever....  
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I want to preface that I derive no enjoyment from,... nay,... it causes me great pain to have to come to the defense of Joe here, but that is where you have forced me Danny. Moreover, this all distracts us from the discussion of the other really shitty things that happened here this week, most notably the slight of hand Joe pulled on Trout this past week (though, as you will see, I am going too weave that back in here). This silly "put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is" betting talk only serves to obfuscate matters... twice. It a) sidesteps the matter at hand (in a mentally lazy way, might I add, by avoiding the matter; I mean, Danny, you evidently don't even read Joe's posts) and replaces it with something else and, worse yet, b) brings in another factor TOTALLY UNRELATED to the substance of either the original matter or the new one being bet on, that is people's finances. I hate the whole betting culture. It's ultimately a losing proposition that just pulls people away from reality, moreover, in a way that potentially justifies from time to time the very evading of reality.
 
But, I digress... I kind of have an idea as to your financial picture, Danny. I don't know Joe's, but I'll just fall on the sword and put myself in Joe's shoes regarding the bet. Not all of us, Danny, have $500 off on the side to put up for a bet. I live month-to-month and $500 is almost my month's rent. So, if it were I in this "debate", to which you never respond in a substantive, meaningful, responsive, engaging and sequitur way, with you, I wouldn't be able to take your bet just based on finances, which, again, have NOTHING TO DO with a) what the bet is about and, more importantly, b) the discussion at hand, which the proposal of the bet is your way of evading. The bet just invites more layers of bullshit. In any event, my not taking your bet would not at all be about "my not putting my money where my mouth is", no less be indicative of your being in the right in our argument. Moreover, to the degree that $500 is just disposable cash to you, what's the point? I mean, if you have $500 to basically just blow, which I suspect to be (at least, relatively speaking, close to) the case, how is it that, so to speak, YOU are putting your money where your mouth is? If it's all chump change for you, adding money then in no real way, shape or form ups the ante in the way a bet is, per your very own words, precisely supposed to do. So, at the end of the day, from your side, bringing money into the picture adds absolutely nothing but another layer of bullshit to the equation. It's, on your end, as if it were just a gentlemen's bet for fun. The money means nothing.
 
Meanwhile, in an evidently epiphanous moment, Joe, to his credit, makes a fairly subtle and very salient point here vis-a-vis his discussion with you, Danny...
 
on Nov 2nd, 2009, 10:28pm, DOLFAN wrote:
Hell Warner even used me to squeeze even more blood from the turnip...STEG...for Fitzpatrick.

 
He is saying that a deal he had on the table was good enough to be used as a bargaining chip for another owner (and, very regretfully, I must admit, against me). It's one of those piddly shit deals (and I hate what was done to me this past week), but his point cannot just be dismissed. It is true that people do not like dealing with Joe, but it's not like people have been coming in droves to deal with you, either, Danny, despite all your pleas.
 
Now, yes, you and I did cut a deal Week 2 that wasn't just piddly: Nicks for Cadillac. But, you know, that was cut strictly because (mainly for you) the stars of value aligned... I mean, you really liked Nicks and were lukewarm on Williams. (I was more so doing sculpting, but) I kind of liked Williams more than Nicks. So, voila, the conditions for a deal were met: you valued the guy on your roster less than the guy on mine, and I, vice-versa. It seems like that is the only way trades get done anymore, though. The metaphor for the pervasive approach to trades in the GBRFL anymore is that of the miser's wallet, not the sculptor's chisel. The former takes it to be the case that value is the bottom line and would rather hold on to a stable of, say, six top running backs while his quarterbacks are just okay and his receivers below average. The latter takes it to be the case that trading is a way of sculpting his team, positionally, forward-lookingly, otherwise creatively and, then, also value-wise, willing to potentially sacrifice that latter aspect for the sake of the other factors which take priority. Travis got the trade between Mark and me right. Mark traded me a handful of quality players, not garbage, but none of whom were (regular) starters for him, for a semi-stud at the key position in the GBRFL and, in any event, uncontested tailback who will become a regular starter for him, that is Ryan Grant, along with a guy at a position that is increasingly emerging in relevance in the GBRFL and who, entering 2009, was supposed to be the shit and still has great upswing at said position, tight-end Jason Witten. I got a couple starting-caliber players which I "desperately" (but was not taken advantage of) needed and a couple fairly good future guys at the key position of tailback, i.e., not a bunch of Parsonian junk.
 
But, I digress... By way of various conversations I have had, I know the infrequency, encroaching on impossibility, of making trades (of significance) in the league is on people's minds. We have searched left and right for reasons, looking at the system, assessing our owners, even blaming it on me and the difficult trading position I put myself in when I liquidated my team in 2004-2005. At the end of the day, I think it more so has to do with this new philosophy of trading which has taken over the league. I know this is not directly related, but I remember a time when nothing beyond a 2nd-rounder was ever traded and even that was not commonplace. Now, instead of cutting an overall well-sculpted deal that fulfills the needs of both teams, we find ourselves stifled by the hair-splitting minutiae of trying, by way of a "calculus" involving 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and even 7th round draft picks, to "even out" the value of an otherwise "bigger picture" fair deal. THAT is where the trade-stifling culprit lies, and, insofar as this is a matter about which we are concerned, it is on the cause of the aforementioned that we have to focus our examination.
 
But, this is all digression!
 
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IN ANY EVENT, to Danny, here's what I suggest regarding your "bet"... If you are hell-bent on offering a bet, Danny, make it for players!!! If you win, you get, say, Mendenhall for, say, Parker; if Joe wins, he gets, say, Crabtree and Nicks for, say, Avery and Moore. Now, something like that would be putting your balls on the line, moreover, in a way that is entirely relevant to the situation here, not all this big-shot money talk.
 
In closing, to everybody else, since I KNOW Danny is likely NOT even going to make an attempt at reading and trying to understand this post, I would appreciate it if each of you (who do) would chime in indicating a) that you UNDERSTOOD IT, and b) whether or not you agree with my philosophy of betting as it pertains here to Danny and the alternative proposal of a non-monetary bet that I suggested.
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Hell Warner even used me to squeeze even more blood from the turnip...STEG...for Fitzpatrick.

 
I do love getting thrown into this. A few things that are different. First, I stated from the beginning that I was not going to trade Fitzpatrick for anything less than a 3rd rounder. I openly stated that if I did not get a 3rd rounder, I would not trade. Worse that happens is that I don't trade him and I get nothing for him. But at least another team would only have 1 QB for the week. Steg, you act like you were violated in some sort of sexual way.
 
I never stated I would take a 3rd and then go for a 2nd. And I don't call every week trying to trade the guys I am going to cut saying how great they are going to be.
 
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I am sick and tired every week of hearing from Joe how great his team is, how he won, whos next on the chopping block ect. He "may" crack the top five. I have been in this league since the inception and he honestly have never seen anyone shit talk as much as him when he has no leg to stand on. Its like driving in a nice sports car and sleeping in it as well because you have no money! In any event, i cant stand his comments "if they were valid and he was winning i can understand", his stupid trades wasting everyones time and him as a person. The money thing was just tryiong to get him to put his money where his mouth is, that is all. Thought it would make things a little more interesting between him and I being that we are fighting for last place. So, for those who were offended f off.. STeve, the reason you are so broke becuase you have never worked being a full time student your entire life BUT when you become that professor " god help our youth", and make the big bucks i would of proposed the same deal. We could do it for a dollar for all i care. I know it goes against all principles of the league, just wanted a response from him was all, seeing how confident he would be. The bottom line is that as long as he never wins in this league " which wont happen in my lifetime" i will remain happy.
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Steg, I agree with some of what you say. I understand all of and see your point.  
 
As far as the bet with Danny...the money is not the issue. I have the money, but I made it a personal rule years ago that the only way I bet on Fantasy Football is with the league fees...which does not apply in this league or the CBFL. In my personal league the bet is the entrance fee and the winnings is the money at years end.  
I have made bets with other owners, but not about where our teams finish, it's been about the Redskins going to the playoffs, and the Yankees NOT going to the playoffs. Those bets were for league entance fees only ($100), and not directly related to the league itself. The main reason was ethics/respect for the game of Fantasy Football as a hobby and enjoyment purposes. If a wager for $$$$ were involved then people...may or may not deal with a particluar owner, or with another owner....just to make certain that one person WINS the bet, and the othere does not....colusion. The above is the main reason that I will not bet with Danny, the other is that my mother taught me when I was a young child not to take advantage of less fortunate people....ie: people that can't spell and had to ride the SHORT BUS to school back in the day, due to school rules!!!  
 
Back to the bigger point of Danny's whining/ CRYBABY ASS!!! I started the trash talking this year because there has been very little, if any going on in here this year, so I figured that I would shake things up. In this league I does not matter what is said/how it is said/ if I am involved it almost always seems to get attention. I feel like Fucking E.F. HUTTON!!!! for goodness sake. Had I known that my trash talk....now that I have a team to support it....would have offended only one person...Danny, I would have done it sooner. Otherise I thought we were all fair game.
I will say though that my trash talk predictions (for my games against other teams) this year have been 100%. I challenged Danny, Frank, and Mark, of which I won all three games. I never said that about Steg or Pak. Those 2 teams...for whatever reason...I did not have a good feeling about...and I was right. You noticed this past week I never said shit!!! I felt that I would lose...badly...and I was correct yet again.  
So with all of that said since my trash talk seems to have this entire league in a fucking uproar, and some girls may get their panties all in a bunch over it, I shall cease for a while...a long while. All of you respectfully(that this pertains to) can kiss my fucking ass. I will say this though, I was having more fun in this league this year than I have had in about 5-6 years because I could finally talk some smack, and back it up!  
 
And Danny, if you have something to say to me, call me and we can discuss it like men, don't hide behind a fucking computer screen you faggot!! I would love to take your money on something other than this league. I'm willing to bet that you will never call you pussy.
 
See ya in the funny papers, and next year's draft.
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I would rather pay you the 500 then talk to you, that is because every conversation we have every had it has been a waste of my time. If you are happy with placing 5th or so good for you, i am happy you expectations are so high for yourself, hence "loser". I still believe i will place better then you at the end, only time will tell. I am just where i want to be as far as growth with my team. I just need some rb help and ill be in good shape. We will see, and for your info we are split for the year one and one..
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Anyone can bet money. I propose a more Fantasy Football relevant "man's bet". We'll call it 3 for 3. Danny and Joe put up their top 3 picks in next year's draft. Winner gets loser's top three picks. Loser gets winner's bottom 3 picks.  
 
Now that's gutsy in my book. Doing poorly this year will potentially cost you next year and beyond.  
 
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anyone want my top three picks next year for a rb??
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Steve, generally speaking, I wouldn't lump you with Joe's ilk (although I do think you were quite a bit Parsonian with me last week)...  That having been said, when you write something like this,...
 
on Nov 4th, 2009, 5:33am, DirkDiggler wrote:
Worse that happens is that I don't trade him and I get nothing for him. But at least another team would only have 1 QB for the week.

 
... I am left scratching my head, wondering... WTF is up with that logic?
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Frank check your messages.
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I've been looking at everyone's roster trying to put together a good offer.  I've made offers to a couple of people, but I haven't been able to hammer out a deal yet.
 
Here's the scoop: I'm looking to trade a running back and qb, and maybe a wide receiver.  Nothing rink-a-dink.
 
Carson Palmer and Ronnie Brown (and Antonio Gates / Nate Burleson) for . . .?
 
If interested, email me (here or yahoo account) or post here your best offer.
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