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Rule change
« on: Aug 7th, 2017, 4:25pm »
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We have been talking about allowing an injured reserve spot or two. The ryan tannihill injury is perfect example of why we need this in place. I have to hold a player entire year and take up a spot. This must be changed, stupid that we don't have this rule and it's not complicated although Steve will find reasons to complicate it. Anyway it's my issue and not anyone else's but it's a great example that could happen to anyone and should be put in place asap
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #1 on: Aug 7th, 2017, 9:52pm »
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Feel it! You have TWENTY-ONE roster spots. That is ELEVEN more than our starting lineups. Many,... most leagues have rosters of like fifteen, and, indeed, there is an argument to be made to reduce our roster sizes! Mind you, I am not going to make it. That said, I mean, if anything, for the sake of league parity, we do not need to be passing rules that allow the hoarding of MORE players. Bottom line, though, precisely given such a situation as yours right now with Tannehill (a real centerpiece to build a team around, mind you), it would be, quite contrary to your call that such a rule "should be put in place a.s.a.p." (gee, there is nothing self-serving there), really unseemly to pass such a rule that is immediately enacted. Whatever we would decide with "respect" to this (incessantly shortsighted proposal), it almost definitely would have to be for next year.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #2 on: Aug 7th, 2017, 11:17pm »
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Of course. Very predictable statement. I said it last year also. I'll be fine  but should be in place.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #3 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 1:46am »
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on Aug 7th, 2017, 4:25pm, IbdFunk wrote:
We have been talking about allowing an injured reserve spot or two. The ryan tannihill injury is perfect example of why we need this in place. I have to hold a player entire year and take up a spot. This must be changed, stupid that we don't have this rule and it's not complicated although Steve will find reasons to complicate it. Anyway it's my issue and not anyone else's but it's a great example that could happen to anyone and should be put in place asap

 
Yeah, and you had White and Abdullah last year...
 
VERY predictable statement... yet again...
 
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #4 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 1:57am »
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Yes Danny I remember you talking about it last year during the season. It never got discussed further since then, hence no vote/rule...and now Steg says its too late.  
 
I like idea of an IR rule, since we all have injuries., and would support it to happen for this year if we could, but since Steg says not this year...  
Maybe we could discuss/vote on it at the draft or sooner on here and if it passes to implement next season.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #5 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 3:13am »
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on Aug 8th, 2017, 1:57am, DOLFAN wrote:
Yes Danny I remember you talking about it last year during the season. It never got discussed further since then, hence no vote/rule...and now Steg says its too late.  
 
I like idea of an IR rule, since we all have injuries., and would support it to happen for this year if we could, but since Steg says not this year...  
Maybe we could discuss/vote on it at the draft or sooner on here and if it passes to implement next season.

 
Well, I did not say, "Absolutely not," to doing it this year. I said it would be "unseemly" (to do it in direct response to someone's just having lost a player for the year). I am totally willing to be democratic about it and call a vote right here before cuts are due at the end of the month. However, my vote is a "vociferous NO", and I will argue vigorously and rigorously against it.
 
In fact, I am also thinking we should consider reducing our roster size AND number of protections (for next year). I am thinking at most twenty roster spots and at most ten protection spots are enough, especially if we institute this cutesy little IR bullshit (which could only be borne in a "woe-is-me" mind that thinks only he endures injuries and no one else because, after all, if it is realized that it is everybody who has to deal with the same reality, then c'est la vie: we have TWENTY-fucking-ONE rosters spots and a whopping TWELVE fucking protection spots). Smaller rosters and fewer protections would increase league parity greatly! In contrast to what seems to possibly be "best" for an individual team (at a given moment in time -- unforeseen consequences be damned), such reductions are what would possibly be best for the LEAGUE as a whole. The IR thing does not address an egregious institutional injustice. At best, it is a little salve for that zit on your ass.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #6 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 6:20am »
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For the record, I am so against this IR rule. If you want to keep Tannehill, protect him. If you don't, drop him. Adding IR essentially gives a person who has an injured player an extra bonus roster protection spot. That is nuts.
 
Injuries are not new. You actually have to make a decision. Oh, potentially adding it for THIS YEAR is total bs.
 
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #7 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 10:03am »
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It needs to be voted on, i dont care about this year, i just gave Ryan T as an example, he is a bum anyways. Warner, if this was EZ you be all for it so you can shut the fuck up bitch!
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #8 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 11:03am »
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on Aug 8th, 2017, 10:03am, IbdFunk wrote:
It needs to be voted on, i dont care about this year, i just gave Ryan T as an example, he is a bum anyways. Warner, if this was EZ you be all for it so you can shut the fuck up bitch!

 
Not true.   I have kept many a players on my roster that have been injured.....OR I have cut them.   12 protection spots in plenty!  
 
We all have to make the same tough decisions.   I have to decide about Garcon, Burkhead, or Doctson for my #12 player.   Or, I have to decide to trade for a protection spot.    
 
My ask is you stop whining every year about the same thing.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #9 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 11:14am »
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Fuck off.. How is that for whining.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #10 on: Aug 8th, 2017, 1:10pm »
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I am open to considering these ideas but I think the league is fine the way it is now. I agree that 21 roster spots allows for someone to carry an injured player to two if necessary. For me to vote in favor of making a change to an IR spot or to reduce the roster size, I would need to be convinced as to why this is necessary and, as of now, I don't see it.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #11 on: Aug 9th, 2017, 6:22am »
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on Aug 8th, 2017, 10:03am, IbdFunk wrote:
Warner, if this was EZ you be all for it so you can shut the fuck up bitch!

 
No way...  That is not in Steve's character.  We all have our character flaws, but that is definitely not one of Steve's.  I have never seen him try to seek remedies for his team's weaknesses via rules suggestions.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #12 on: Aug 9th, 2017, 8:18am »
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No go for me. I like the fact you have to be creative if you want to keep someone on your roster.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #13 on: Sep 2nd, 2017, 3:47pm »
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I would like to propose a rule change.  
 
Can we make it kickers and defenses cascade going forward?
 
I am sure there is a reason why the current no cascading rule has been established, but in the end, it seems to have bitten quite a few people.  
 
A lot of people including me at times, do not check matchups.  If someone lists a defense that is on a bye week, I am all for having the next in line defense become the starter.
 
For kickers I know it could be a little more complex. If a kicker misses 4 field goals and all of the extra points attempted, then the kicker scores zero even though the technically played. There are two remedies I see, the first is that it would just cascade because they scored zero. The other is to say if a kick was attempted at all, it counts as start. To keep it simple, I would propose to go with the first one. I don't think this will come to light too often because who the hell is going to carry two kickers? And if they are, more power to them.
 
At the end of the day, I think the benefits of changing the cascading rule has more benefits than cons.
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #14 on: Jan 1st, 2018, 4:59pm »
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on Sep 2nd, 2017, 3:47pm, DirkDiggler wrote:
I would like to propose a rule change.  
 
Can we make it kickers and defenses cascade going forward?
 
I am sure there is a reason why the current no cascading rule has been established, but in the end, it seems to have bitten quite a few people.  
 
A lot of people including me at times, do not check matchups. If someone lists a defense that is on a bye week, I am all for having the next in line defense become the starter.
 
For kickers I know it could be a little more complex. If a kicker misses 4 field goals and all of the extra points attempted, then the kicker scores zero even though the technically played. There are two remedies I see, the first is that it would just cascade because they scored zero. The other is to say if a kick was attempted at all, it counts as start. To keep it simple, I would propose to go with the first one. I don't think this will come to light too often because who the hell is going to carry two kickers? And if they are, more power to them.
 
At the end of the day, I think the benefits of changing the cascading rule has more benefits than cons.

 
I would definitely like to bring this topic up again for cascading defenses and kickers. In lieu of the post Steg made, we have had multiple owners miss line ups. ( a lot of line ups)
 
If an owner misses a line up, and their defense happens to be on a bye, the game could still remain challenging if there was another defense on the team. The fact is people miss line ups, the cascading of kickers and defenses could at least POTENTIALLY minimize the impact. The sad fact is an owner not submitting a line ups impacts others and this is a way to minimize it to a degree.
 
The other reason I would like cascading kickers and defenses is because people make mistakes. There have been many a times I put my line ups in a hurry with out checking the match ups. I would hate to have a significant impact om my team because of a simple mistake.
 
On the flip side, what is the downside of cascading the kicker and Def like EVERY OTHER position? There really isnt a reason that I can think of except to be punitive. And why be punitive for only 2 positions when the other 3 are not punished? We have ALL listed players on byes as their starter.......
 
Thank you for your time and consideration over the course of the summer.   The OTHER topic is way more important, but I ask you keep this in the back of your mind for discussion at a later date and time.    
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Re: Rule change
« Reply #15 on: Jan 1st, 2018, 5:23pm »
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Stevo, I REALLY wish you would have refrained from bringing this back up until after some determinations have been made about the "bigger picture" issue regarding the failure to submit lineups. This is a relatively minute detail. Moreover, I think it came up ONCE all year long on defense, and even though there were surely some (extremely) dumb/(unbelievably) unfortunate kicker acquisitions, I am pretty sure this issue did not come up at all this season at placekicker! Furthermore, there is another "player" on your roster: YOU!
 
At any rate, this does not solve the "bigger picture" problem. Moreover, solving the "bigger picture" problem may solve this one. Bottom line, organizing our thinking here is going to be key to finding the right solution, and I REALLY would like us not to get sidetracked from that already demanding discussion, no less right out of the gate (as has been done here).
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