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« on: Jul 26th, 2010, 4:02pm »
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For me, it's Yahoo!  In terms of fantasy analysis, they seem to either go unoriginally with whichever way the wind is blowing but then take it to an extreme, or go totally against the grain, in either case rarely getting it right.  As for hard news, they seem to want (or want to seem, hmmmm... ) to be the first to break new news only to have it more often than not turn out to be largely, if not totally, wrong.
 
Fanball is a close second.  In response to today's news on Michael Vick, they claim that "he still has no more fantasy value than most other backups quarterbacks in the league."  Sloppy grammar/editing, which is always the case there, aside, are you kidding me?  That is a terribly unsound fantasy perspective!  With relatively few exceptions, the advice there ranges from watered-down nothing to bad.
 
Lastly (I'll just tag this on), shame on Rotoworld for saying, in response to rookie Dez Bryant's refusal to go through the rookie hazing ritual of carrying teammates shoulder pads, "We like him even more for it." That's indicative of the typical 20's-early 30's entitlement, no-sense-of-humility culture we now live in, oh, and, just to be clear, I'm not just talking about Bryant.  I mean, his actions are bad enough.  To publicly endorse it and thereby enculturate it is even worse.
 
So, what do you think?  Who's on your list?
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 13th, 2010, 1:17pm »
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Here's how Fanball reports a situation regarding Saints' tailback Pierre Thomas...
 
Saints GM Mickey Loomis told the New Orleans Times-Picayune that he is looking for a big veteran back to complement Pierre Thomas. Such a back would likely take over goal-line duties on the Saints.  
 
Our View: It seems clear by now that the Saints don't think Thomas is a reliable option for even 200 carries. He managed just 147 last season while Mike Bell saw most of the work. LenDale White is available, but character and conditioning concerns come with him. Keep an eye on any potential signings the Saints make before investing a high draft pick in Thomas on draft day.

 
Remember these are the EXPERTS of the EXPERTS, the deities of Fanball, who get paid to do this... suggesting LenDale White (of the Denver Broncos) as an option!  Are you kidding me?
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 19th, 2010, 11:38am »
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Here's a, per my complaints above, 2-for-1 dose of silliness...
 
Fanball reports that Yahoo! Sports reports as follows...
"One Vikings player tells Yahoo! Sports that 'Brett (Favre) thinks (Brad) Childress has no clue about offense.' Another player added that 'Brett just doesn't trust (Childress).'"
 
Then, they comment... inanely...
"Our View: Another day 'As the Favre Turns.' No word yet on how the veteran quarterback feels on Childress' ability to manage facial hair."
 
Look, my problem isn't so much with the jokey viewpoint.  I was thinking something similar after reading the news item.  My problem is with the ridiculousness of Yahoo! Sports seen as a legit reporting outfit considering their moronic sports reportage, and, then, Fanball's lending them credence by incorporating them on their breaking news page.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 19th, 2010, 12:06pm »
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I agree. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 19th, 2010, 1:23pm »
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Right, Joe...  ESPN even dignified this report, I am sad to say.  Mark Schlereth, stud that he is, put the "situation",... eh-hem,... non-situation back into perspective, though, thank goodness.
 
It's funny, though, how the reporters even get it bassackwards...  ESPN's Vikings' correspondent chalked it up by saying that Favre and Childress may not be palling around and getting together for dinner, but, professionals that they are, they remain professional (read, cordial) with each other on the field.  I see it as (more likely) the exact opposite.  They probably have, as Schlereth said, professional differences of opinion, but also probably have a fine personal relationship, which is actually precisely what allows them to overcome their professional differences.  It's the camaraderie over dinner that probably acts as a check on the sideline disputes.  But, anyway, who am I...?
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 19th, 2010, 8:11pm »
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On the contrary, I don't know if the Yahoo report is wrong.  In fact, I would not be surprised if it were true.  Favre and Childress don't seem so buddy-buddy.  I thought Favre went to the Vikes because of the O.C. Bevill.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 20th, 2010, 4:26am »
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Ahhh...  The "bold" proclamation of the "contrarian" "going out on a limb" and taking the side of the big-media outlets and their ginned-up story.  Truly pioneering...  Where o' where is the lemming smiley when I need it?
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 22nd, 2010, 8:48pm »
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Brett Favre on this, and I quote, "I thought that article was ridiculous."
 
So, we can go with the horse's mouth or some unnamed yahoo...
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 9:13am »
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hmmmm.  you may be right, but what is Favre supposed to say .... yeah that guys an jackass, but let's have a great season.  I don't think so.  
 
I'm still saying I don't know and it's indeed not out of the question that someone said it.  Maybe we will learn the truth in a documentary someday.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 23rd, 2010, 10:27pm »
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Of course, I too realize that Favre is responding to a loaded question, necessitating a guarded response. That said, gauging by his demeanor and the way he said it, it seemed sincere. That's about the best we got to go by, loose inference and intuition that is. But, truth be said, at this point, anybody can say whatever they want,... and that's my point. This is a great object lesson in how BS propogates BS... I mean, neither do I know. Yet, some "Yahoo" reports it, and next we know Rachael Nichols of ESPN is falling in suit and speculating away... about their not having dinner together.
 
As for the rest, I'm sure it was said. I'm concerned about the veracity of it vis-a-vis the credence and according attention it gets dignified with by our mainstream media outlets, which, then, creates and fuels a narrative that very well isn't the truth or, at the very least, misses the all-important nuances, in which lie the real truth in life. I think the commentary we have heard from (former) players like Schlereth, Collinsworth, and such paints a truer picture, namely that it's a bunch of hyperbole. Again, what distresses me is that this hyperbole is so easily taken as true... and readily propogated by our mainstream media. Then, furthermore, to (knowingly) take media hyperbole as one's cue, when the fact of the matter is "none of us knows", isn't a very worthwhile hill to stake a claim on, from my vantage point. The fact that "we don't know" is already, in relation to the story's being hyped up, a fact that at least speaks against (the veracity of) the claim... inasmuch as, if no one really knows, it shouldn't be being hyped up.
 
What I am ultimately more concerned about is people's buying into media hype than the truth in isolation, i.e., whether or not we learn years hence that it actually was true. The point isn't so much whether it is ultimately true or not, but whether or not it is true to the level that it is being hyped. The further point is that it isn't whether or not we might be able to learn the truth of the matter years later when it no longer matters, but whether or not the reporting on it is sufficiently accurate now when it does. In both cases in point, the former nobody has any clue about; the latter I feel fairly confident in responding in the negative, especially with reference to the first point.
 
Or, does the truth (and honor...ing it) no longer matter (in a society where the lowest common denominator of ethics, the law, is the be-all-end-all), and your posts are really just playfully obscurantist?
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 25th, 2010, 11:51am »
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I guess I don't understand how that meshes with what you originally said... that the Yahoo report was ridiculous.  
 
If you agree that someone said it (someone being Vikings' players and it being that Favre doesnt respect the coach), then why trash the Yahoo reporter?  For writing the story?  Ok, but I thought you were saying that he made it up.
 
Now if your beef is that this shouldn't have been news, well then this is the Brett Favre soap opera and, right or wrong, it is and it's interesting (at least to me).
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 25th, 2010, 4:58pm »
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Just to clarify, I meant ridiculous insofar as it was considered newsworthy (our fundamental difference and my beef with Yahoo!, which seems to produce many an inane nugget) and fantasy-relevant (remember my original beef was not just with Yahoo!, but them and Fanball) and, moreover, to the degree that it made it all the way to the ESPN newsroom.  So, again, my beef with Yahoo! is, yes, pretty much as you say, their, yet again, dearth of relevant NFL "news" reportage in favor of sensationalistic "tabloid" news stories (about which it would take me a dissertation-length social commentary piece to get my views out on the table).  It seems to me that you yourself are conceding the tabloid nature of the story.  Anyway, I think they report like Joe picks sleepers, i.e., with it in mind that, if I throw enough shit against the wall, some of it will stick and pay off (by getting us noticed) eventually.  My beef with Fanball is that they actually packaged it as fantasy-relevant.  My beef with ESPN is that they actually dignified it in a televised segment, making the story and the narrative bigger than the truth (and it's a sad social commentary given that that's what we enjoy).  If it were reported with nuance, that would be one thing.  But, it's not (and, again, the fact that we'd probably rather not have it be is a sad social commentary... of dissertation-like proportions).
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 8th, 2010, 7:29pm »
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There just is a thing such as too much information...  From Fanball...
 
First,...
 
"Michael Bush, RB, Oakland Raiders Wednesday 9/8, 9:41 AM CT  
 
The Contra Costa Times' Jerry McDonald does not believe Michael Bush (hand) will be able to play in Week 1.  
 
Our View: When asked whether or not Bush would be able to play in Week 1, McDonald responded, "No. Not this soon after surgery." It sounds pretty clear that Bush will need at least another week or two before he sees the field.

 
Then,...
 
"Michael Bush, RB, Oakland Raiders Wednesday 9/8, 5:38 PM CT  
 
Coach Tom Cable confirmed that Michael Bush (thumb) has a "real chance" to play week one, according to Vittorio Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle.  
 
Our View: Bush is practicing with limited restrictions, and the only other option would be Darren McFadden, so obviously the team is hopeful he can go Sunday. Unfortunately, the injury is on Bush's dominant left hand, so he'd be forced to carry the ball in his right."

 
Uhhh,... okay... Now I know what to do...
 
How about not rushing to the "wire", and instead showing some professional patience and giving us some real analysis of the overall picture.  Oh,... right,... bigger picture...  That's too much anymore for the typical ADS Americana-bred small mind.  We'd rather just consume meaningless, but constant information snippets.  What a hype-driven media clustershtook (sp.?)!
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 21st, 2010, 9:19pm »
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From Fanball...
 
Sunday
Michael Vick looked like a 26-year-old again Sunday, completing 21-of-34 passes for 284 yards and two touchdowns in a narrow win over the Lions Sunday.
 
Our View: Vick led Philly to a 35-32 victory with excellent passing and some pretty decent running. He carried the ball seven times for 37 yards, but it was his arm that was so impressive. Still, this was the Detroit secondary, and coach Andy Reid did say that Kevin Kolb will start next week, so Vick can't be counted on as a reliable fantasy option for now. Unless Kolb goes down again.
 
Monday
Michael Vick figures to stay at least somewhat involved in the Eagles' offense next week despite the likely return of Kevin Kolb (concussion), according to the Philadelphia Daily News.
 
Our View: Kolb is expected to be back and will start for the Eagles, but Vick's package of plays figures to be expanded now that he's proven himself the past two weeks. Still, Vick will need Kolb to either get hurt again or to struggle mightily before Vick is worth playing again for fantasy purposes.
 
Tuesday from "The REAL Feed"...
on Sep 21st, 2010, 8:16pm, StegRock wrote:
By the way, here, from "The REAL Feed" is what DF is speaking of above:
 
Reid switches gears, picks Vick over Kolb as Eagles' QB
NFL.com (21.09.2010 18:54)
One day after calling his quarterback quandary "a beautiful situation," Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid made a surprising reversal: Michael Vick, not Kevin Kolb, will be the starting quarterback, the team announced Tuesday.

 
Thanks, Fanball!  You guys really got the crystal ball workin' for yous over there...
 
Then, there was this gem regarding Vince Young vis-a-vis Kerry Collins that I stumbled upon...
 
Despite entering the game in the fourth quarter, Kerry Collins fired off 25 passes, completing 17 of them. He tallied a touchdown and an interception in his failed attempt to lead the Titans to a late comeback win.
 
Our View: Collins was looking pretty good until the end of the game. He replaced Vince Young, who had three turnovers on the day. We believe Young will remain the starter, but keep an eye on the Titans' practices this week.
 
I watched this game.  That is EXACTLY the opposite of what happened.  Collins came in, threw a pick and lost a fumble and looked absolutely horrible until the very end of the game when the Steelers started to play "prevent" defense.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 7:06pm »
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Lions news from the "geniuses" at Rotoworld... (January 18th) Kevin "Smith is backup caliber at this stage of his career." Link: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL& amp;id=4638. Oh, you mean playing at age 24 in 2011? Are you kidding me? The 's these guys have and the lengths they will go to to prop up Jahvid Best never cease to amaze me. Best's yards-per-rush this year, 3.3; Smith's, 3.8. But, don't pay any attention to that.
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 25th, 2011, 12:44pm »
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Criticisms aside for a moment, how about this news?  Fanball.com, once Fantasy Football Weekly magazine back in the day, closing its doors!  The economy is a mess; the NFL itself is dealing the fantasy football community a terrible hand, and, let's face it, the landscape of our once intimate hobby has changed DRAMATICALLY in the last 20-25 years.  Granted the quality of their content had been tailing off, but this is the end of what was a mainstay in fantasy sports and especially fantasy football.  What does it portend for the hobby???
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on Feb 25th, 2011, 12:44pm, StegRock wrote:
Criticisms aside for a moment, how about this news? Fanball.com, once Fantasy Football Weekly magazine back in the day, closing its doors! The economy is a mess; the NFL itself is dealing the fantasy football community a terrible hand, and, let's face it, the landscape of our once intimate hobby has changed DRAMATICALLY in the last 20-25 years. Granted the quality of their content had been tailing off, but this is the end of what was a mainstay in fantasy sports and especially fantasy football. What does it portend for the hobby???

 
This is crappy news.   And while the economy is surely a factor, I have to think the biggest obstacle for fanball was ESPN.  When ESPN took their fantasy leagues to FREE, it put a BIG hit to fanball.  Fanball was charging around 60-80 to host and was an attractive alternative to Sportslines OUTRAGOUS fees of $150.    
 
But Fanball did not offer enough bells and whistles to justify spending money versus free.
 
So I do not think it is indicitive of fantasy sports declining.  I think the biggest concern is the consolidation of power into the haves and have nots.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 28th, 2011, 6:53pm »
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I agree with you for the most part, DD.  The quality of their player updates had become pretty sketchy, though, and that does not help.  Of course, that stands for some other outlets too...
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This just seemed to fit the motif here...  From "abottom" "The REAL Feed":
 
Separating rumor from fact: who knows in new media world?
Washington Post: Sports (17.05.2011 13:06)
"To see how the media can start a rumor and how the horses mouth can squash it, check out my fbk and RT," the Giants' Steve Smith tweeted Tuesday. Media? Well, Rotoworld, which said it had been told by "sources" that Smith would be going on the Physically Unable to Perform list and therefore wa...
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 19th, 2011, 8:06pm »
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How do these fantasy football "gurus" get away with this drivel, http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/449/brandon-lloyd?  Therein they write that Lloyd "was never a good fit for John Fox's ball control style in Denver."  Is it me or did Fox not coach WR Steve Smith during his heyday in Carolina?  And, is Lloyd not a very similar type receiver to Smith?  In addition, I remember the Panthers producing a second quite serviceable wideout back in Fox's days with the name Muhsin Muhammed.  Yea, when Delhomme went to hell there in the very late years and Fox had two tailback studs to lean on, DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, he did just that, but the analysis above is very short-sighted.  With all that said, Lloyd should continue his upswing in St. Louis.
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Here we go again with lack-of-vision Rotoworld, who writes off players like fantasy geeks who have no understanding of the game - and by that I mean the fantasy game - beyond the numbers.  They recently referred to tailback Kevin Smith, recently reacquired by the Lions, as an "unimpressive runner, even when healthy" and deemed his prospects with the team as poor.  Of course, in three seasons with the club he never had a yards-per-rush as low as "stud" Jahvid Best last year, and the only thing that props up Best's yards-per-rush this year is that one big 12-for-163 game he had against Chicago.  Take that one game away and his yards-per-rush is WOEFUL!  Indeed, though, I am not necessarily even saying Smith is better than Best.  I am just pointing out the pendulum-like, hyperbolic opinions of dudes whose thought processes are not balanced.  The bottom line, these relatively Johnny-come-lately-to-the-hobby "gurus" know no better, and perhaps even worse, than you, save for the fact that they have had the good fortune of making a job out of fantasy football and so are more informed.  BUT, generally speaking, what they do with that information is indicative of their lack of balanced opinion formation.  Let me remind you...  The pundits had Darren McFadden written off as a total bust 15 months ago.
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on Nov 11th, 2011, 12:15am, StegRock wrote:
Here we go again with lack-of-vision Rotoworld, who writes off players like fantasy geeks who have no understanding of the game - and by that I mean the fantasy game - beyond the numbers. They recently referred to tailback Kevin Smith, recently reacquired by the Lions, as an "unimpressive runner, even when healthy" and deemed his prospects with the team as poor. Of course, in three seasons with the club he never had a yards-per-rush as low as "stud" Jahvid Best last year, and the only thing that props up Best's yards-per-rush this year is that one big 12-for-163 game he had against Chicago. Take that one game away and his yards-per-rush is WOEFUL! Indeed, though, I am not necessarily even saying Smith is better than Best. I am just pointing out the pendulum-like, hyperbolic opinions of dudes whose thought processes are not balanced. The bottom line, these relatively Johnny-come-lately-to-the-hobby "gurus" know no better, and perhaps even worse, than you, save for the fact that they have had the good fortune of making a job out of fantasy football and so are more informed. BUT, generally speaking, what they do with that information is indicative of their lack of balanced opinion formation. Let me remind you... The pundits had Darren McFadden written off as a total bust 15 months ago.

 
Douchebags... Go over there and read their bandwagon take now! Smith is a must pickup Week 12. Gee, REALLY!?!? Thanks for the expert advice. He was picked up in the GBRFL Week 10! Readers, you can get better fantasy insight from the GBRFL's "Transactions" page than you can from these clowns, and that goes for the overwhelming majority of the community of on-line and television Fantasy Football "experts" or, as some like to call themselves, "geeks".
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This is not one of the worst fantasy football web sites, but this is the kind of irrational drivel the industry needs no more of. Look at these last four headlines Rotoworld.com is rolling out on Jamaal Charles...
 
"Chiefs remain 'concerned' with Charles' foot"
 
"Chiefs consider Charles' injury a foot sprain"
 
"Chiefs think Charles' foot strain not serious"
 
"Report: Chiefs privately concerned w/Charles"
 
What a waste of bandwidth... and "mindwidth"!
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 20th, 2013, 5:51pm »
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The, I believe, new (this season) feed writer at Rotoworld really is a downgrade. I could spend all day critiquing this guy's stuff, from poor English to being obviously biased and now to this, moral sanctimony:
 
"Updating a previous item, coach Jim Harbaugh told reporters he expects Aldon Smith to play in Week 3 despite Smith's Friday morning arrest for suspicion of DUI and marijuana possession.
 
'I expect Aldon to be back at work and play on Sunday,' said Harbaugh. The NFL will not intervene on a player's Sunday availability following a Friday arrest because the appeals process can't be expedited that quickly. The actions say it all: The 49ers care about winning over punishment, individual players' decision making, those players' well being, and the well being of the community. Smith gives San Francisco its best chance to win."
 
This is either leftist moral sanctimony or Christian moral sanctimony. Either way it is puritanical and moral claptrap, which turns ethics into moralizing and righteous indignation and thus serves only to undermine the importance of ethical cultivation. The likelihood is that this writer has never spent a moment in an Ethics class, and yet on a fantasy football news feed feels the need to make this proclamation. Mind you, far be it for me to defend the 49ers or ANYTHING San Francisco, but the fact of the matter may very well be, probably is, that the team will require Smith to get counseling and treatment, which is much more substantive than suspending the guy this week, which really accomplishes NONE of what the writer lists. As for punitive measures, those will all unfold through the usual official channels and will come down from the league soon enough. The team will probably fine him, too. Hurting the team on the field this week helps nobody, no less everybody as the writer implies. This is how moral idealists almost always end up screwing the pooch.
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 22nd, 2013, 1:13pm »
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on Sep 20th, 2013, 5:51pm, StegRock wrote:
Mind you, far be it for me to defend the 49ers or ANYTHING San Francisco, but the fact of the matter may very well be, probably is, that the team will require Smith to get counseling and treatment, which is much more substantive than suspending the guy this week, which really accomplishes NONE of what the writer lists. As for punitive measures, those will all unfold through the usual official channels and will come down from the league soon enough. The team will probably fine him, too. Hurting the team on the field this week helps nobody, no less everybody as the writer implies.

 
EXACTLY... From this LOCAL source off "The REAL Feed":
 
Sources: NFL, 49ers want Smith to get help
ABC News: KABC-TV Los Angeles (22.09.2013 11:21)
There has been a consensus reached that San Francisco 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith needs treatment for his substance-abuse problems, but he first must get through this weekend, active as a player, NFL and NFL Players Association sources said.
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