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(Message started by: StegRock on May 3rd, 2003, 5:51pm)

Title: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 3rd, 2003, 5:51pm
Anybody get on over to FFInsiders.com (http://www.ffinsiders.com/)? Nice site!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by DirkDiggler on May 3rd, 2003, 7:37pm
Nice Domain name!!!!  EXCELLENT SITE!!!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by PA Outlaws on May 3rd, 2003, 9:59pm
What a site! Somehow I have a feeling I have visited before!  [smiley=bonghit.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 3rd, 2003, 11:38pm
Site is terrible. Fantasyfootballer.com is where it's at!  [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 4th, 2003, 1:45pm
SHIT!  And, just when I think we are developing into the GREATEST FF message-board forum in the biz, I come across this:

FFForum.com (http://www.ffforum.com/)!

Fuckin' bastards! >:(

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by PA Outlaws on May 4th, 2003, 3:54pm
Shit Steg! We'll have to sabotage!  [smiley=sick.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 5th, 2003, 7:12pm
And, just when I thought I grabbed up all the good fantasy football-oriented domain names left in this thin market (at least of .com's and .net's), I come across...

...FFFanatics.com (http://www.fffanatics.com/)!

That would have been a really GREAT one for us fantasy football fanatics over here to have had!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by PA Outlaws on May 6th, 2003, 8:05am
How many fucking domain names do you have? [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 6th, 2003, 2:03pm
I don't know, PA, but I do know that the guy who got this domain got really the last decent one among the available ".com's" and ".net's" with the word "football" in it:

FootballInsiders.net (http://www.FootballInsiders.net/).

Next best one, in my opinion, FootballIndex.net... :P ... definitely a drop-off, and after that, "notta'"... FootballDomain.net... we are starting to reach! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by team_undecided on May 7th, 2003, 1:11pm
"You guys are crazy I like you but you're crazy"
quote taken from the great Frank the Tank found staring in the classic Old School.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Jetdoc on May 7th, 2003, 3:54pm
I heard that www.fftodayforums.com is the bestest place on the earth. ;D

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 7th, 2003, 5:17pm

on 05/07/03 at 15:54:08, Jetdoc wrote:
I heard that www.fftodayforums.com is the bestest place on the earth. ;D


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Yea...  If you want to experience the roosters ruling the roost and the untamed Bouve (vis-a-vis "the Gridiron" Bouve, who is a decent chap), watch both your threads fly off page 1 of the board and your posts get buried in light-speed, moreover, in favor of repetitious threads, inane one-liners and a likely hazing session for newcomers, and have to wade through a TON of BS to find such little pith, go for it!  I will say this...  The "Geek Board" over there is good if what you are looking for is a "free for all" board to "hang out" on-line on.  Our "free for all-ish" section, "the Bleachers", which is a sticky thread on "the Sidelines", doesn't even come close to comparing, but that is what this site is about as opposed to that site.  However, as for that site's being the "bestest place on earth"...

[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::) [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ::)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 7th, 2003, 5:23pm
Oh, and, FYI... FFYI.com (http://www.ffyi.com/) is a really nice site!

The guy who procured this cleverish four-letter ".com" is the shizznit! [smiley=awwgee.gif] [smiley=pimpin.gif] Getting a semi-relevant short ".com" domain like that is next to impossible, especially when the ".net" AND ".org" versions have already been registered... awhile ago! [smiley=ohshit.gif] Unbelievable! [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 8th, 2003, 10:25pm
WOW!  In my unrelenting search for fantasy football pith, I came across one last real goodie of a site (at least for now):

FFHuddle.com (http://www.ffhuddle.com/).

Now that is a sweeeeet-ass [smiley=moon.gif] site with a HOT [smiley=evil.gif] domain name! [smiley=yes.gif] [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Walker Boh on May 9th, 2003, 12:10am
The "Huddle" is a great idea. [smiley=gotanidea.gif]

Nice work Steg. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 16th, 2003, 5:14pm
Fellas,

Get a load of this e-mail I just received...

Hello there,

I apologize in advance for the unsolicited email. I found your name as the contact for your fantasy site. I am contacting you to see if you are interested in 18 premium fantasy domain names I have for sale. I am selling the whole list of 18 names for $1800. They could be used as go-to website names, or to drive search engine traffic to your site.

Either way, the price is right for the quality of names (below).

Also, the transfer will be hassle-free and could be done the same day.

Best Regards,

Tom Courts


FANTASYEXPERT.COM
FANTASYMASTERMIND.COM
FANTASYMASTERMINDS.COM
FANTASYADVISORS.COM
FANTASYANALYSTS.COM
FANTASYDRAFTLIST.COM
FANTASYDRAFTLISTS.COM
FANTASYPLAYERRANKINGS.COM
FANTASYPLAYERRATINGS.COM
FANTASYPLAYS.COM
FANTASYRATING.COM
FANTASYRATINGS.COM
FANTASYTIPSHEET.COM
FANTASYTIPSHEETS.COM
STARTBENCH.COM
START-BENCH.COM
BENCHSTART.COM
BENCH-START.COM


[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]

[smiley=soapboxer.gif]

...Oh, gee, thanks, pal! Let me pay you $100 bucks per for something that can be gotten for $9.95! ::)

And, yes, there are still domain names, much better than the ones on this guy's list frankly speaking, to be had for $9.95 per year. Always some asshole out there in the capitalist world tryin' to take advantage of people's lack of knowledge/savvy/understanding/know-how/intelligence/experience/patience/etc. [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

With direct reference to his pitch above, tranfers should always be "hassle-free," and I have no clue what this [smiley=clown.gif] means by "go-to website names". Anything for an f'n [smiley=money.gif] , right? Who cares that you're cheatin' people?! [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 29th, 2003, 1:47pm
Okay, now that "the Gridiron" finally exists at the index page of FantasyFootballer.com, our primary home, I am kind of curious to get you all's thoughts on all of our homes.  Of the "domains we rule," ;) ...

FantasyFootballer.com
FFPlayers.com
FFInsiders.com
FFForum.com
FFFanatics.com
FootballInsiders.net
FFYI.com
FFHuddle.com

...in what order would you rank them?  And, what kind of rating would you give each of them on, let's say, a 1-to-10 scale, the higher the number, the better?

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 29th, 2003, 4:16pm

FantasyFootballer.com  10
FFPlayers.com 9
FFHuddle.com  9
FFInsiders.com 6
FFForum.com  6
FFFanatics.com 6
FootballInsiders.net 4
FFYI.com 2

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 29th, 2003, 4:18pm
FantasyFootballer.com  10
FFPlayers.com 6
FFHuddle.com  1
FFInsiders.com 7
FFForum.com  1
FFFanatics.com 7
FootballInsiders.net 8
FFYI.com 3

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by ZAGS on May 29th, 2003, 4:46pm
None of those are as good as kffl.com, hot off the wire. That site just gives you facts, no bullshit!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 29th, 2003, 8:10pm
Zags,

I think you missed the point. Steg was asking which of the ones he mentioned sounded the best, and which one did you want to represent THIS site.


on 05/29/03 at 16:46:27, ZAGS wrote:
None of those are as good as kffl.com, hot off the wire. That site just gives you facts, no bullshit!


Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Walker Boh on May 29th, 2003, 8:39pm
FFPlayers.com - 10
FFHuddle.com - 10
FantasyFootballer.com - 9
FFFanatics.com - 9
FFInsiders.com - 9
FootballInsiders.net - 8
FFForum.com - 6
FFYI.com - 6

All in all, a great list. Nice work. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 29th, 2003, 9:03pm

on 05/29/03 at 16:46:27, ZAGS wrote:
None of those are as good as kffl.com, hot off the wire. That site just gives you facts, no bullshit!


Jesus f'n Christ!  Tell me you didn't fuckin' write that!  Pay a-fucking-ttention, brother! [smiley=nono.gif] Why is it that posting is apparently valued so much more than reading in these on-line message-board environments? [smiley=nono.gif] A constant stream of one-line drivel... eventually causing miscommunication and, potentially, hurt feelings, a trait of other sites that so many of us HERE hate and is exactly why we are HERE!  I mean if I took your words there literally, ZAGS, I would just want to throw in the fuckin' towel! [smiley=nono.gif] Why don't you go see where "FantasyFootballer.com" takes you? ::) I mean...  How much "putting-together" would that have taken to figure out? [smiley=nono.gif] I mean this response above doesn't even speak to the nature of my question, no less its specifics. [smiley=nono.gif] Moreover, you do so by bringing up a resource with whom we are somewhat in competition by way of our "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)"! [smiley=nono.gif] Jesus!

ANYWAY, anybody else have a take on OUR domain names HERE, the actual question that is on the table? :P

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by ZAGS on May 29th, 2003, 10:34pm
I am sorry if I offended anyone with my comments! I thought this was a thread where we talked about what fantasy sites we thought where cool. I am sorry if I think that kffl is better than any thing on "The Real Feed." I did check out all the sites on the "The Real Feed," I just didn't find one I like better than KFFL. Once again, I am sorry for posting my opinion!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by theWave on May 29th, 2003, 10:43pm
I agree that while the Zags post didn't EXACTLY pertain to the last few posts, it did contain his opinion.  And while the opinion expressed by the Zags was not particularly a popular one, I believe there's no reason to fly off the handle.  He was simply saying, with which I happen to agree, that KFFL presents the daily news in such a way that is friendly to the senses, with no other distractions.  Just a little constructive criticism...

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2003, 12:09am

on 05/29/03 at 22:34:15, ZAGS wrote:
I am sorry if I offended anyone with my comments! I thought this was a thread where we talked about what fantasy sites we thought where cool. I am sorry if I think that kffl is better than any thing on "The Real Feed." I did check out all the sites on the "The Real Feed," I just didn't find one I like better than KFFL. Once again, I am sorry for posting my opinion!



on 05/29/03 at 22:43:20, theWave wrote:
I agree that while the Zags post didn't EXACTLY pertain to the last few posts, it did contain his opinion. And while the opinion expressed by the Zags was not particularly a popular one, I believe there's no reason to fly off the handle. He was simply saying, with which I happen to agree, that KFFL presents the daily news in such a way that is friendly to the senses, with no other distractions. Just a little constructive criticism...


God damn!  Can we speak to the point of the thread and not at me?  Have either of you just taken the time to find the question yet and, moreover, consider answering it?

ZAGS, here, you have taken a peripheral point and made it the main point!  Not to mention, you are doing it incorrectly!  Category-wise, "The REAL Feed" itself along with the rest of "the Gridiron Newsstand" would be the source that is "comparable" to KFFL's "Hot Off The Wire", not the sources to which it all links!  You do know that KFFL basically gets the information they report on from the sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand", right?  Anyway, this is not even the point of the thread.

Mr. Wave, accordingly, it is not at all that ZAGS point was "unpopular"!  I agree that KFFL's "Hot Off The Wire" is a good resource!  It's that his post is NOT even remotely connected to what this thread is about!  Do you not get that?

Here's the easiest way to solve this...  How about each of you participate in the effort HERE, the betterment of which can help the SBFFL site, and respond to the question I asked eight posts above?  That would be the most "constructive" way for you guys to "get it" at this point and for all of us to move on.  And, back to the peripheral issue here, on "the Gridiron" @ FantasyFootballer.com, unlike at KFFL, you all can "make a difference."  I mean I am always asking for you all's feedback on this and that and using that input, which is what I am doing here, and what I got in return in the case here is, well,... and then justification.  Easiest way to "fix" this would be to (realize "oops") look over the thread and find the question to which I am referring and then just answer it and participate in the effort HERE!

Again, yes, I am quite frustrated here because all I want is to incorporate your guys' energy in the development of this site.  Instead, I got a plug for another site in this instance!  Are you following me here? ... Can you see where I am coming from? [smiley=frustrated.gif] If you find yourself still not empathizing with me, it is probably because you still have not "addressed" the issue and read through the thread, so PLEASE READ THROUGH THE THREAD! [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by theWave on May 30th, 2003, 8:18am
Read it about 4 times in a week,  thanks.  Doesn't really move me.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 30th, 2003, 12:05pm
Intelligence at it's finest... [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]




on 05/30/03 at 08:18:50, theWave wrote:
Read it about 4 times in a week, thanks. Doesn't really move me.


Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2003, 12:50pm

on 05/30/03 at 08:18:50, theWave wrote:
Read it about 4 times in a week, thanks. Doesn't really move me.


[smiley=lost.gif] ??? [smiley=lost.gif] ??? [smiley=lost.gif] ??? [smiley=lost.gif] ??? [smiley=lost.gif] ??? [smiley=lost.gif] ??? [smiley=lost.gif] ??? [smiley=lost.gif] ???

I can only guess that you think that sounds cool or something... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Are you in PA's league or PA's class? ;) ::)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by ZAGS on May 30th, 2003, 1:16pm
What do mean is he in PA's league or class?

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2003, 1:22pm
Oh, GOD!  I'm crackin' my fuckin' knuckles here!  Are you assuming I am now disparaging Jeff? [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Stop being so defensive and cut the "SBFFL coalition" thing you think you need to display here!  We ALL are supposed to be on the same side here!  Obviously, I can see where some of you draw your lines, though!  Anyway, I know that Jeff is (or was) an elementary school teacher! ::) That's what I meant! ::)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2003, 1:37pm

on 05/29/03 at 20:39:17, Walker Boh wrote:
FFPlayers.com - 10
FFHuddle.com - 10
FantasyFootballer.com - 9
FFFanatics.com - 9
FFInsiders.com - 9
FootballInsiders.net - 8
FFForum.com - 6
FFYI.com - 6

All in all, a great list. Nice work. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Walker (above), BW, KJ 76, THANKS SO MUCH for giving your input and helping me out here! [smiley=bow.gif] MUCH APPRECIATED!  Also, Walker, thanks for the added words of encouragement! [smiley=bow.gif] They make this venture, where all I do is lay out cashola from my thin wallet for all of our enjoyment, worth it!  It is a way, the only way, of "paying me back" at this juncture, and it makes me happy that you and others choose to do so from time to time.  Trust me it helps! ;D

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2003, 1:45pm

on 05/29/03 at 13:47:51, StegRock wrote:
Okay, now that "the Gridiron" finally exists at the index page of FantasyFootballer.com, our primary home, I am kind of curious to get you all's thoughts on all of our homes. Of the "domains we rule," ;) ...

FantasyFootballer.com
FFPlayers.com
FFInsiders.com
FFForum.com
FFFanatics.com
FootballInsiders.net
FFYI.com
FFHuddle.com

...in what order would you rank them? And, what kind of rating would you give each of them on, let's say, a 1-to-10 scale, the higher the number, the better?


Okay, I am going to bring this back on topic!  I would like you all's take on the question in the quote above!  Your input does get considered, as those of you who pay attention to things 'round here know, and is a BIG help to me!  Make a difference... perhaps, make the difference!  Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on May 30th, 2003, 2:44pm
I must've missed this thread first time around, but was lucky enough to catch all the name-calling and such.   [smiley=whatever.gif]

Anyway, here is my take...

FantasyFootballer.com - 9
FFPlayers.com - 8
FFInsiders.com - 9
FFForum.com - 4
FFFanatics.com - 5
FootballInsiders.net - 5
FFYI.com - 1
FFHuddle.com - 8


Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Walker Boh on May 30th, 2003, 8:52pm

on 05/30/03 at 08:18:50, theWave wrote:
Read it about 4 times in a week,  thanks.  Doesn't really move me.

Your attitude is starting to bother me. Do you not realize that this site would not even exist if not for the hard work that Steg has put into it? He started this thread asking for feedback in an attempt to make this place even better... Instead of answering his question, you insulted him (and a lot of other people around here) with your unprovoked and unnecessary negativity. This site is a work in progress and it will only get better. Do you think top notch websites are created overnight? The answer is no. It takes time, and you should show a little more respect and appreciation to the guy that doing his best to make it happen.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by ZAGS on May 30th, 2003, 11:26pm

on 05/30/03 at 20:52:24, Walker Boh wrote:
Your attitude is starting to bother me. Do you not realize that this site would not even exist if not for the hard work that Steg has put into it? He started this thread asking for feedback in an attempt to make this place even better... Instead of answering his question, you insulted him (and a lot of other people around here) with your unprovoked and unnecessary negativity. This site is a work in progress and it will only get better. Do you think top notch websites are created overnight? The answer is no. It takes time, and you should show a little more respect and appreciation to the guy that doing his best to make it happen.


I don't think your post has anything to do with the question above! I guess maybe you are just tying to be cool by bringing up a dead subject!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2003, 11:57pm

on 05/30/03 at 23:26:26, ZAGS wrote:
I don't think your post has anything to do with the question above! I guess maybe you are just tying to be cool by bringing up a dead subject!


Aww... gee!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by theWave on May 31st, 2003, 7:50am
I'm not trying to be negative here, or disparage any hard work that Steg has put into this site.  I do however, have a hard time with the overblown, over-the-top chastizing that goes on here when someone goes slightly off topic.  Do you realize you're fighting a losing battle?  Policing what everyone says on this board as it develops will grow increasingly futile!!  And ripping the good people that do it will only burn bridges and counter the great things you're attempting to do here.  Just my unintelligent opinion.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by sporto on May 31st, 2003, 9:28am
Damn, did I miss alot of shit!


I believe the Zags did miss the real topic, but I also believe that the response he got back was a LITTLE harsh. Steg, this is a good ffootball site, and I think alot of these guys are trying to help you make it a GREAT ffootball site. But just because someone misreades a post you can't just come down on him with the fires from hell.  I like this site and i know alot of guys in the sbffl like this site. Misposts happen every day in every forum.    Just my 2 pennies.






Oh yea, I might be alittle late, but here they are

Fantasyfootaller.com  10
ffforum.com                 10
fffanatics.com               9
ffinsiders.com               7
ffplayer.com                 6
ffhuddle.com                6
ffYI.com                        5
footballinsiders.net      4


Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on May 31st, 2003, 5:35pm
First off, sporto, thank you for including in your post above an answer to the question, a nice show of support and truly understanding move.  And, you were not at all late.  There is no timeframe on this.  I have these domains for at least one year each, and in some cases two.  I would still like to hear back from everybody.  After that, I will take some averages and see what we have come up with and consider that information as I make decisions on things down the road.  SO, PLEASE KEEP IT COMIN', FELLAS!

Now, with regards to the rest, I very rarely "go off the handle" here (I guess it is just that when I do, I can be pretty cutting [smiley=awwgee.gif] ), which people who have been here like since the beginning know.  Find me another instance!  Guaranteed you are going to spend a long time digging and, moreover, for every one of those you find, you will find 100 posts where I am thanking and praising you all.  You will see me use these smilies [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] a hell of a lot more than these ones [smiley=annoyed.gif] >:( , something you SBFFL guys may not be aware of as you are really just this month starting to show up and make an impact here, a point I will further address below.  Not that this really matters, i.e., I REALLY don't care, but just to further the case in point, you will probably find just as many, if not more, posts of my praising you all, SBFFLers especially, than you all, SBFFLers in particular, praising me.  Ain't that a point of interest?

Anyway, I think I've earned the right to "vent" once in a blue moon, which is what this is, in a case like this.  Not to mention, if you really read (between the lines of) my post there, it really ain't that bad.  I just express disappointment, explain that disappointment and sprinkle in a few "fuck's" here and there for effect as this was all so poignant to me, the reason for which I will explain here in a second.  I never call ZAGS a name or anything like that.

Now, going back a couple lines, what do I mean by a "case like this"?  I mean that this thread, if you read through it and think for a second, is obviously a "plug/sales pitch" thread!  Spelling this out kind of kills the point, but at this point I have no choice.  Make no mistakes, though, as with any kind of camouflaged marketing effort, this hurts that this could not have been seen before my having to spell it out.  What is/was going on here on this thread is a marketing tactic that is especially necessary now in the early formative stages of this project.  That having been said, it is no different than the well-established KFFL putting an ad in within their Hot Off The Wire.  What ZAGS unwittingly did here was the equivalent of if you could post on KFFL's Hot Off The Wire and you posted a scathing message about one of their "sales pitch" posts.  That kind of action inherently undermines a "sales" effort.

Making it more frustrating [smiley=frustrated.gif] is that the SBFFL guys are supposed to kind of be "more a part of the team" here by way of the FFLA.  So, ZAGS mistake here stings a little more.  I would hope that because you guys are a more integral part of things here, and I have clearly honored you guys as such, that you would pay attention a little better, at least to the degree that I do the SBFFL, and really I am a total outsider with that.  I would just like in return (from you all) a reasonable fraction of that effort that I put forth (for you all).  As in the case here, an initial lack of attention paid and then a lack of attentiveness to, or, as is the case with some of you still, absolute ignorance of, the substance of this thread after it finally was lucid to all makes me feel like you (all) don't care about the bigger picture here, moreover, not even to the degree that I have participated on the SBFFL board.  You follow...  I mean some of you are still putting the fight and the "gang up" ahead of the substance here and still have ignored the question.  I mean I suppose you could just chalk it up to a trivial issue about which you don't care.  But, hell, talking about "really" small stuff, the way the SBFFL logo button, by the way, kindly provided by another SBFFL outsider, Jon Cirrinone, if you didn't know, in the left frame at the SBFFL site next to the "Home Page" link did not look good at all.  I gave Jeff a heads-up on it and he put a line-break in and now it does look good.  The "little things"...  Point being, a line like "...it (our deal here) doesn't move me", sounds really selfish in context.  It is all the "small stuff," the "little things," that matter most, actually, and either you care about what we are doing here on "the Gridiron" or you don't.  I mean if your only comeback to me is, "Well, Steg, if you feel that way, take the SBFFL logo button out of your signature and stop caring about our league and posting on our board," that's lame and thankless, objectively speaking and period.  Come on...

I mean you guys are coming in here and telling me how to do things.  Remember this site has already gone through one full season, successfully I might add, been in existence since August, and without much help from the SBFFL guys, which is fine.  But, a bunch of advice from, in essence, a few "Johnny come lately's", only one of whom, by the way, has even made an effort to answer the simple question herein, is, well, going to fall on deaf ears... and understandably so.

I am not much of an artist.  But, did I paint that picture adequately?  Or, are you going to "read it about four times in a week and still not be moved"?  Language, the likes of which I have heard before (from a fella named Ryan, for those of you in the know), and does not portend a "good" conclusion.  I mean if you do not see where I reasonably am coming from here now, you never will. :-/ :'( [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by sporto on Jun 1st, 2003, 12:12am
Steg, that was one hell of a post! I didn't want to to take up the room quote replying that. I didn't take what the other sbffler's were saying as, they were trying to tell YOU what to do on your site, but I am a little biased because I know how these guys are and how they express their opinoins. That bieng said I think we should put this issue to rest and start back on the real topic FANTASY FOOTBALL!!!!


SO TO THAT I BID EVERYONE A GOOD NIGHT!!!!



Had 1 too many Guinesses!!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2003, 12:24am

on 06/01/03 at 00:12:43, sporto wrote:
Steg, that was one hell of a post! I didn't want to to take up the room quote replying that. I didn't take what the other sbffler's were saying as, they were trying to tell YOU what to do on your site, but I am a little biased because I know how these guys are and how they express their opinoins. That bieng said I think we should put this issue to rest and start back on the real topic FANTASY FOOTBALL!!!!


SO TO THAT I BID EVERYONE A GOOD NIGHT!!!!



Had 1 too many Guinesses!!


[smiley=bow.gif] - There he is again that little rat-bast!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2003, 12:36am

on 06/01/03 at 00:12:43, sporto wrote:
That being said I think we should put this issue to rest and start back on the real topic FANTASY FOOTBALL!!!!


Clarification...  Put to rest, but not forgotten, at least not what I present above.  What I present there are things you guys will want to remember!  I laid it out on the line there, and I don't want it to just be tacitly dismissed.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by theWave on Jun 1st, 2003, 8:00am
Steg,

The Sbfflers will not forget your post and just dismiss it.  In fact, you can tell your last couple of posts hit home, because participation by us has significantly dropped the past couple of days.  I don't think we agree with you about the level of responsiblity we should carry on this site.  Maybe its because we don't fully understand what it means to be in the FFLA.  I will, however, warn you not to expect anything better from us in the future because that's not who we are.  In case you don't already know, we are a reckless, boisterous, intelligent, cocky, confident, fly by the seat of our pants league, and that won't change.  

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Daunte Williams on Jun 1st, 2003, 9:17am

on 06/01/03 at 08:00:15, theWave wrote:
Steg,

The Sbfflers will not forget your post and just dismiss it. In fact, you can tell your last couple of posts hit home, because participation by us has significantly dropped the past couple of days. I don't think we agree with you about the level of responsiblity we should carry on this site. Maybe its because we don't fully understand what it means to be in the FFLA. I will, however, warn you not to expect anything better from us in the future because that's not who we are. In case you don't already know, we are a reckless, boisterous, intelligent, cocky, confident, fly by the seat of our pants league, and that won't change.


Nicely said Wave. As far as the cooment before about finding another time that Steg went off on someone for something stupid, here goes. I posted a little thread about Lebron James in the wrong spot (I am such a bad person) and then complained when the thread got shut down and for that I got berated like a 2 year old whjo just shit his pants. I got a private message on how I dissapointed everyone and shit like that. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to see it (Cum Laude Bachelors of Science graduate), but I just don't get it. I feel like this is Big Brother from George Orwell on this board. The cencorship is rediculous and not necessary. I guess the "Gods" will be upset now, so Good Bye!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 1st, 2003, 9:50am
You guys stop at nothing, wow.

I'm seeing the "wreckless" and "cocky" in you guys, show me the intelligent... show some respect for Steg. He does bring us altogether for great FF convo.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by theWave on Jun 1st, 2003, 10:51am
I agree that Steg brings a great site to the table.  His tireless work shows by this superb product.  Ask any guy in my league and they will tell you the same thing.  The thing we don't agree with is the conformist ways of the threads/topics.  If we happen to stray off topic, we don't want to be chastized/bullied into changing because it won't happen.  We bring more to the table than just impersonal football musings.  If we can't meet somewhere in the middle with StegRock, then maybe this just isn't a good place for us.  We don't want it to happen because we feel we can bring a lot to the table.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2003, 2:57pm
I don't have the energy for this anymore.  All I can say at this point is...


on 06/01/03 at 08:00:15, theWave wrote:
Maybe its because we don't fully understand what it means to be in the FFLA.


The truest words you guys have come out with.  You have hit the nail on the head here.  This is something I have not been totally clear about, but that is because there is no way I can "spell out" my whole vision here.  Even for me, it is a rough sketch that becomes clearer with every passing moment and event... like this, e.g.  That having been said, I have made it abundantly clear that I want dudes' takes on the question I pose herein (to which, paradoxically, you have yet to "respond").  Anyway, I just was under the impression that dudes, especially FFLA dudes, would just see a good thing and "go along" for the ride, taking advantage of the many opportunities I offer to give input (like the one here), and trust me and comply to the "structures" I have put in place with it in mind that "it is all part of the obviously good thing that is trying to uniquely be achieved here."  I mean a lot of the attributes you reference in your messages there, Mike, recklessness, boisterousness, cockiness, moreover, mixed with intelligence, are things that work within a league and on a league-specific message board, like you all's in the "Associated Leagues" section here, BUT are what cause much miscommunication and acrimony in a general message-board forum, causing it to degenerate into like what FFToday, theHuddle, FFWarroom, even FootballGuys at times, etc., etc., have.  I mean those places do not degenerate because that is what people intend.

Okay, now let me pull the knife out of my back.  To DW, the man who once said he would "go to war with me" (evidently empty words), regarding the "LeBron James thread", I have all four of the pm's that went back and forth between you and me saved.  They paint a clear picture.  BUT, that is private anyway, so who cares!  Anybody can just go over to "the Sidelines" and see how "Referee" fairly went about locking that thread and see the subsequent dialogue about it all in "the Bleachers" section on "the Sidelines".  If you harbored any of that (against me), that says more about you than me, brother.

Well, I guess that was a little bit more than I thought I would write. [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 1st, 2003, 3:55pm
Being one of the league commissioners of a league here, I'd like to put in my 2 cents. Better make it 3.

I agree with what Steg is saying in his last post. I came to this site after being totally fustrated with FFToday and all the constant crap you have to filter through to get a tiny bit of information. I saw what Steg was creating here and decided I wanted to be a part of it. I convinced the other 11 guys in the QFL to come over and check it out, and they did, and they agreed it was a cool site, still in it's infant stages. We were able to join with the other leagues and moved our message board over here as well. Steg welcomed us with open arms. There were a few things. minor mind you, they we had to adjust to, but it was no big deal. Overall, all the members of the QFL are happy we made the move over here.

I can also say that I am glad the SBFFL is a part of this too. I think you guys have a good group who have posted and contributed some good stuff. I can see the cockiness, the boisterousness, and the recklessness in you. It's a good thing, in moderation. If you want to take it a step further, why not keep it on your SBFFL board? And since I am on the subject, let me pose a question to you guys: You say you are intelligent. I believe you. How about showing the other members of the site and posting some replies to some of the questions or posts not started by the guys in your league?  I mean, if somebody has a question, like, "which running back would you take, Fred Taylor or Tiki Barber?" How about giving the rest of your your insights and opinions? I for one would appreciate you sharing the knowledge you have.

As far as the big picture here, only Steg know for sure exactly what he wants out of this site. All I know is I signed up to be a part of it, and would like to see where it/he takes me. I hope you guys stay on board too.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Daunte Williams on Jun 1st, 2003, 4:15pm
First off, I "do" reply to threads such as "which RB to take", but have a problem with the censorship aspect of it all. I like the site and think it has great potential, but it is clear to me that I don't fit into the whole thing, so I choose to leave this site. Take care & good luck to all in the coming football season.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2003, 4:41pm
Oh, brother!  BW is just trying to emphasize the "coming together" aspect of things and trying to encourage you guys to (at least try to) become "more" a part of the "bigger" team here.  And, he was speaking in very "general" terms, not to anyone specifically.  That's all!  Even that gets twisted around!

But, anyway, DW, thanks for the contributions you have made heretofore (doubt you will ever hear that from another site admin) and thanks for the well wishes. [smiley=bow.gif] I am sorry that I could not meet each and every one of your needs, though I know I have met many of them.  A site admin has to set the standards he wants and then not be a hypocrite and stick to them.  But, best of luck to you, my old friend! [smiley=stpat.gif] I hope you find exactly what you are looking for and, moreover, like it!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 7th, 2003, 3:49pm
Okay, in our continuing recovery efforts from the damage "Hurricane SBFFL" left behind, I want to get this second devastated thread, the purpose of which was almost totally lost in the maelstrom, sailing back in the "right" direction.  So, here are the average scores I have compiled based on the scores our members, who have contributed thus far, have given (thanks to those who have [smiley=bow.gif] ):

First Tier
FantasyFootballer.com - 9.6

Second Tier
FFPlayers.com - 7.8
FFInsiders.com - 7.6
FFFanatics.com - 7.2
FFHuddle.com - 6.8

Third Tier
FootballInsiders.net - 5.8
FFForum.com - 5.4

Fourth Tier
FFYI.com - 3.4

Guys, if you haven't given your ratings yet, PLEASE DO!  Here is the question I asked as I originally posed it:

Okay, now that "the Gridiron" finally exists at the index page of FantasyFootballer.com, our primary home, I am kind of curious to get you all's thoughts on all of our homes.  Of the "domains we rule," ;) ...

FantasyFootballer.com
FFPlayers.com
FFInsiders.com
FFForum.com
FFFanatics.com
FootballInsiders.net
FFYI.com
FFHuddle.com

...in what order would you rank them?  And, what kind of rating would you give each of them on, let's say, a 1-to-10 scale, the higher the number, the better?


...

Well, now I am starting to feel [smiley=sunny.gif] again about this whole project!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 10th, 2003, 2:43pm

on 06/07/03 at 15:49:14, StegRock wrote:
...So, here are the average scores I have compiled based on the scores our members, who have contributed thus far, have given (thanks to those who have [smiley=bow.gif] ):

First Tier
FantasyFootballer.com - 9.6

Second Tier
FFPlayers.com - 7.8
FFInsiders.com - 7.6
FFFanatics.com - 7.2
FFHuddle.com - 6.8

Third Tier
FootballInsiders.net - 5.8
FFForum.com - 5.4

Fourth Tier
FFYI.com - 3.4

Guys, if you haven't given your ratings yet, PLEASE DO! Here is the question I asked as I originally posed it:

Okay, now that "the Gridiron" finally exists at the index page of FantasyFootballer.com, our primary home, I am kind of curious to get you all's thoughts on all of our homes. Of the "domains we rule," ;) ...

FantasyFootballer.com
FFPlayers.com
FFInsiders.com
FFForum.com
FFFanatics.com
FootballInsiders.net
FFYI.com
FFHuddle.com

...in what order would you rank them? And, what kind of rating would you give each of them on, let's say, a 1-to-10 scale, the higher the number, the better?


Nobody else out there can do this!? :-/ Come on!  It'll take all of a minute.  This is an example of the important feedback I need from you all to continue to let this place "unfold" into the future and let you all contribute to/affect/have an effect on that unfolding.
[smiley=shrug.gif]-"(Sigh)!"
Can't say I'm not tryin'!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Fiedlers Choice on Jun 10th, 2003, 9:49pm
[smiley=gotanidea.gif]  hey, if any of you debators want to join my law firm....  [smiley=thinking.gif] just kidding.  Anyway, back to the matter at hand ... my votes are [smiley=howtoput.gif]  

FantasyFootballer.com - 10
FFPlayers.com -3
FFInsiders.com - 8
FFForum.com - 7
FFFanatics.com  - 7
FootballInsiders.net - 9
FFYI.com -2
FFHuddle.com -2

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 11th, 2003, 3:25pm
Thanks for the reply, FC!  Nice to see this thread "recovering" and getting back on track!

Guys, remember these are not all separate web sites that you have to go check out that I want your opinions on here!  All of these domain names are just ones that I own and point here to "the Gridiron".  I just want your guys' thoughts on which ones you find good/catchy/apropos for future reference a) so I can make a more "informed" decision when I have to renew them, which leads to... b) so I have an idea as to which ones I might want to include on promotional "stuff"! [smiley=wiseguy.gif]

Whenever I ask you guys for your takes on something, know that I am NEVER doing it in vain.  There is ALWAYS some method to the madness, which will allow you to "make a substantive difference".  You want a site that, within a framework of course, is going to consider "you" in its development, you've found it.  Now don't let an opportunity to contribute slip through your fingers!

(That's why what these dudes did on this thread was so ironically and poignantly stupid, counterproductive and self-contradictory!)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Pakman on Jun 11th, 2003, 10:32pm
FFHuddle.com - 1
FFYI.com - 1
FootballInsiders.net - 10
FFForum.com - 5
FFInsiders.com - 8
FFPlayers.com - 3
FantasyFootballer.com - 9

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 12th, 2003, 11:02am
FantasyFootballer.com    10
FFPlayers.com                  5
FFInsiders.com                 8  
FFForum.com                    8
FFFanatics.com                 5
FootballInsiders.net         5
FFYI.com                           9 ( this is only one that stuck with me overnight - something to be said for short and catchy - but i keep thinking it maybe should have one more f?)
FFHuddle.com                    5

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 3:14pm

on 06/12/03 at 11:02:59, bgsgfan wrote:
FFYI.com 9 ( this is only one that stuck with me overnight - something to be said for short and catchy - but i keep thinking it maybe should have one more f?)


First off, thanks to all you guys that are chiming in here! [smiley=bow.gif]

And, bg, you get it with the FFYI.com domain! [smiley=bullseye.gif]Even your going down the path of considering an extra "F" indicates so. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] But, with FFYI.net and FFYI.org already taken, FFYI.com was just too "exposed" to pass up.  Good, fairly relevant FOUR-letter ".com's" are NOT easy to come by.  Also, given its more generic applicability, it will be interesting to see what kind of crowd comes through here by way of FFYI.com vis-a-vis the rest which are all specific to fantasy football or at least football.  And, I actually have a REALLY COOL logo design in my head for this domain name in particular and it all hinges on that second "F" that is functioning both as the second "F" of "FF" and the "F" of "FYI"! [smiley=wiseguy.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Razzak on Jun 15th, 2003, 6:24pm

on 05/29/03 at 21:03:39, StegRock wrote:
Why is it that posting is apparently valued so much more than reading in these on-line message-board environments?


Hey Steg,

I love all those domains.  And one way to help people avoid posting just to post is to not have the "rankings" on the site based on number of posts :D.

Just an idea.  My personal favorite of the domains is fantasyfootballer.com, simply because FFHuddle.com is too similar to thehuddle.com.

So, fantasyfootballer.com 10
ffhuddle.com 7
others - 5.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 15th, 2003, 6:43pm
Thanks for throwing in your 2 cents, Razz, and I agree with your take on how "rankings" are determined, especially the spirit of it.  Got quite a bit on my plate in the near future here (and elsewhere), though.  But, when I get the chance I'll give a look-see as to what options I have... if any, which I feel I must preface, because it seems like all these forums work the same way with respect to that.  BUT, the YaBB guys might have a mod for that. [smiley=whatever.gif] Just don't hold me too fast to it. :)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 17th, 2003, 8:39am
If there was some way to incorporate the consistency of posts it might help.  Therefore a guy that posts once each and every day for a year would be valued higher than someone who posted 365 times in one day???

Anything I think of is just wayyyyyyyy to complex.  Keep it like it is.  Here as in real life, we know that some water boys have "takes" that are better than some general managers.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 18th, 2003, 12:08am
Thanks to all of you that are still chiming in! [smiley=bow.gif] Here are the latest averages:

First Tier
FantasyFootballer.com - 9.7

Second Tier
FFInsiders.com - 7.4
FFFanatics.com - 6.6
FootballInsiders.net - 6.4

Third Tier
FFPlayers.com - 6.1
FFForum.com - 5.8
FFHuddle.com - 5.4

Fourth Tier
FFYI.com - 3.7

Please keep the ratings comin' in!  If you haven't done so yet, please take a moment to do so.  Thanks for helping me "grow" this site, guys! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jul 11th, 2003, 1:36am
Just picked me up another "domain" for us to dwell about and to get "the word" out by way of!  Another nice SHORT ".com", for which the ".net" version is already taken (by a different genre site, though).  It won't be "live" for another 12 to 72 hours, but here it is for you, my fellow Gridironers, for when it is:

FFPro.com (http://www.ffpro.com/). [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Keep gettin' the good word out, fellas! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Jul 11th, 2003, 8:22am

on 07/11/03 at 01:36:35, StegRock wrote:
Just picked me up another "domain" for us to dwell about and to get "the word" out by way of! Another nice SHORT ".com", for which the ".net" version is already taken (by a different genre site, though). It won't be "live" for another 12 to 72 hours, but here it is for you, my fellow Gridironers, for when it is:

FFPro.com (http://www.ffpro.com/). [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Keep gettin' the good word out, fellas! [smiley=bow.gif]


FFPro.com is sweet!  I give it a 9.5...

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 11th, 2003, 8:36am
I like it!  I think FFPro.com is the best one so far.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jul 11th, 2003, 10:52am

on 07/11/03 at 08:36:14, bgsgfan wrote:
I like it! I think FFPro.com is the best one so far.


Even better than FantasyFootballer.com?

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 11th, 2003, 11:33am

on 07/11/03 at 10:52:07, StegRock wrote:
Even better than FantasyFootballer.com?



[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] NO way.  Fantasyfootballer is the best.  



Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 11th, 2003, 2:11pm

on 07/11/03 at 10:52:07, StegRock wrote:
Even better than FantasyFootballer.com?


Yep - I type in FFYI.com now because it is shorter - less keystrokes is always better in my book.  FantasyFootballer.com is catchy - but way too long.  FFYI.com is short, but not nearly as catchy.  FFPro.com is both short and catchy.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jul 12th, 2003, 2:24am
Just in case you did not notice, FFPro.com (http://www.ffpro.com/) has gone live!  Nice domain... nice site! ;) [smiley=proudAmerican.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2003, 2:45pm
Guy actually offered me some bucks for FFInsiders.com (http://www.ffinsiders.com/).  Not enough, though!  But, still, it was neat to have happened! :)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Aug 6th, 2003, 3:15pm

on 08/06/03 at 14:45:24, StegRock wrote:
Guy actually offered me some bucks for FFInsiders.com (http://www.ffinsiders.com/). Not enough, though! But, still, it was neat to have happened! :)


Yeah, he emailed me last week and asked if I was interested in selling it.  I told him it was his for $10  [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif], but then realized I couldn't transfer it and sent him to talk to you.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2003, 3:20pm

on 08/06/03 at 15:15:03, Philly wrote:
I told him it was his for $10.


Well, he offered me quite a bit more than that, more than a digit more, but still not nearly enough to outweigh the potential value of that domain name in the long-run.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Tony_O on Aug 8th, 2003, 12:49pm
I'm going to rank them in the order that I like them:

1. FantasyFootballer.com
2. FFPlayers. com
3. FFFanatics.com
4. FFInsiders.com
5. FFHuddle.com
6. FFPro.com
7. FootbalInsiders.com
8. FFForum.com
9. FFYI.com

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Aug 8th, 2003, 12:58pm

on 08/08/03 at 12:49:47, Tony_O wrote:
7. FootbalInsiders.com


Thanks, Tone, for the feedback! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Much appreciated! [smiley=bow.gif]

Quick correction, though, especially for anyone else who might read this later and, moreover, want to chime in.  The above should read FootballInsiders.net. 8)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Mar 22nd, 2004, 7:02pm
For those of you that don't know, since almost a year ago, we have been accessible by way of ALL of the following domains: FantasyFootballer.com, FFPlayers.com, FFFanatics.com, FFInsiders.com, FFHuddle.com, FFPro.com, FootballInsiders.net, FFForum.com, FFYI.com.

I will always keep FantasyFootballer.com (and probably FFPlayers.com, FFFanatics.com, FFInsiders.com and FFPro.com) and I will keep all of the rest for at least one more year.

If any of you come up with any other ones that you think would be good AND HAVE CHECKED FOR THEIR AVAILABILITY by doing a search like at http://www.hostica.com, PLEASE let me know. I am always open to suggestions on this front.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Mar 27th, 2004, 5:52pm
Been pokin' around this stuff this afternoon, just for fun.  Any thoughts about the following domain names?  ...

FFInteractive.com
FFInformation.com

*4thand1.com

*(1stand10.com and 4thandgoal.com, which I was also looking at last year, have been scooped up! :o )

Any of the three worth picking up?

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 27th, 2004, 7:24pm

on 03/27/04 at 17:52:57, StegRock wrote:
Been pokin' around this stuff this afternoon, just for fun. Any thoughts about the following domain names? ...

FFInteractive.com
FFInformation.com

*4thand1.com

*(1stand10.com and 4thandgoal.com, which I was also looking at last year, have been scooped up! :o )

Any of the three worth picking up?


[smiley=no.gif]= You already have great domain names.  Those just don't do it for me.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Mar 27th, 2004, 9:23pm
Thanks for responding, DD! Your take is duely noted.

...

Let me expand the list just a bit:

FFInteractive.com
FFInformation.com
4thand1.com
FFInsider.info
FootballInsider.info
FootballInside.info
FFInside.info
FFInsideInfo.com
FFUnderground.com


Again, it's all about just affordably creating more potential avenues of getting the good word about "the Gridiron" out.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Mar 28th, 2004, 9:33am
I love 4thand1.com...

I'm not sold on the .info domain.  Sounds second-class to me.  FFUnderground.com is a nice one too.

Over time I think I've become most attached to (after fantasyfootballer.com) ffpro.com.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by bgsgfan on Mar 28th, 2004, 11:48am
I agree with Philly about the .info domains.  The only reason I see to pick them up would be to protect your .com domains - it might be worthwhile to get fantasyfootballer.info.

Once again,  like Philly, I think FFunderground is catchy.

Just to prove that I am not a Philly clone, I use ffyi.com when not using my bookmark because it has the fewest keystrokes.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 4th, 2004, 12:16am

on 03/27/04 at 21:23:53, StegRock wrote:
Let me expand the list just a bit:

FFInteractive.com
FFInformation.com
4thand1.com
FFInsider.info
FootballInsider.info
FootballInside.info
FFInside.info
FFInsideInfo.com
FFUnderground.com


Again, it's all about just affordably creating more potential avenues of getting the good word about "the Gridiron" out.


Well, strike FFUnderground.com from the list.  Prompted by Jeff and Jeremy, I just went to recheck its availability and consider picking it up and it's been taken.  ACTUALLY, the site (not related to fantasy football; related, instead, to this video game "Final Fantasy") it is being used by has apparently been in existence for a couple years.  I guess the admin there was being lazy about his registration.  So, had I gotten it, I would have actually been "poaching" it as it is referred to "in the field".  I don't really want to do that to dudes, so... [smiley=shrug.gif] On the other hand, gotta remember the age-old (female shopping) adage, "Wait and forever be lost."  Oh, well!

Anyway, any more input on these domain names?  PLEASE...

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 4th, 2004, 1:15am
Well, as per my last post (of just about 1 hour ago), I may have lost FFUnderground.com, BUT my persistant research just PAID OFF BIG-TIME!!!

Something, I don't know what, made me look up FFQB.com again tonight for the hell of it.  I've looked it up in the past and it was NEVER available (which, by rights, it shouldn't be), though it was never an active site.  Well, it WAS available tonight, operative word being WAS!  It ain't now!  This awesome FOUR-LETTER .com is now ours!  I didn't even hesitate.  I didn't even want to risk it by consulting you guys here in public.  There is NO WAY FFQB.com should be available.  Oh, that's right...  It ain't! [smiley=havinablast.gif] And, won't be for a while as I registered this puppy for three looong years!  What a coup! [smiley=yes.gif] (And, Jeremy, who likes to use FFYI.com, you now have an alternate four-letter domain to put to use. :D )

To go with FFQB.com, I also acquired FFQuarterback.com and FantasyFootballQB.com for one year each.  I actually think FFQuarterback.com, in particular, is ALSO an EXCELLENT domain name.  I was VERY surprised it too was available and was hard-pressed to not register it for more than one year, but at some point I have to consider my thin (soon-to-be grad-school student) wallet.  As long as I don't completely fall asleep behind the wheel, it's no biggie, though.  Anyway, all in all, a GREAT night for FantasyFootballer.com, et al.! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Our three new domains here should be up and running by Tuesday.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 5th, 2004, 12:46am
FFQB.com (http://www.ffqb.com), FFQuarterback.com (http://www.FFQuarterback.com) and FantasyFootballQB.com (http://www.FantasyFootballQB.com) ARE ALL NOW LIVE... AND "POINTING" (people) IN OUR DIRECTION!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 25th, 2004, 1:37pm
Guys, question...

Four of the domain names I own are up for renewal here very soon, as in I got to get on it this week.  One of them in particular I am not all too keen on, FootballInsiders.net.  I think I am not crazy about it because it is the only one that I own that is not a ".com".  I actually like 4thand1.com, which I mention above I may consider procuring, more.  Since I am still at the foot of the mountain of generating (anything you'd call significant in the way of) revenue, cutting costs is something I always have to have an eye toward.  Even if it's just a little bit, as I have mentioned before in other areas of the site, April through July are the high months for "paying the bills" around here, and given my wallet every penny counts and a penny saved is a penny earned.  So, is it worth getting rid of FootballInsiders.net to save the 10 bucks a year?  That 10 bucks (per year), though small, could go toward other costs or could go toward procuring a new domain name like 4thand1.com.  So, I suppose that is another way of looking at this question...  Which do you like more, FootballInsiders.net or 4thand1.com?  Ultimately, though, most importantly, do you think FootballInsiders.net is worth the 10 bucks a year to keep it?

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2004, 7:55pm

on 04/25/04 at 13:37:41, StegRock wrote:
Guys, question...

Four of the domain names I own are up for renewal here very soon, as in I got to get on it this week. One of them in particular I am not all too keen on, FootballInsiders.net. I think I am not crazy about it because it is the only one that I own that is not a ".com". I actually like 4thand1.com, which I mention above I may consider procuring, more. Since I am still at the foot of the mountain of generating (anything you'd call significant in the way of) revenue, cutting costs is something I always have to have an eye toward. Even if it's just a little bit, as I have mentioned before in other areas of the site, April through July are the high months for "paying the bills" around here, and given my wallet every penny counts and a penny saved is a penny earned. So, is it worth getting rid of FootballInsiders.net to save the 10 bucks a year? That 10 bucks (per year), though small, could go toward other costs or could go toward procuring a new domain name like 4thand1.com. So, I suppose that is another way of looking at this question... Which do you like more, FootballInsiders.net or 4thand1.com? Ultimately, though, most importantly, do you think FootballInsiders.net is worth the 10 bucks a year to keep it?


Guys, you have about at most 24 hours to respond to this.  As it stands now, in my mind, FootballInsiders.net is [smiley=wave.gif] !

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by bgsgfan on Apr 27th, 2004, 9:02pm
My 2 cents-

".nets" do not impress me.  The only ones I'd consider in your shoes would be total slam dunks: fantasyfootball.net, (the)gridiron.net, fantasyfootballer.net; you get the idea.  FootballInsiders.net does not exactly make me hot and bothered.  Put the 10 bucks in your pocket, or use it somewhere else.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Apr 28th, 2004, 6:40am
There are a number of the domain names that I'd be hesitant to renew if I was making the call, and footballinsiders.net is one of them - for the same reasons bgsg mentioned.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by The Juror on Apr 28th, 2004, 6:47pm
Just tossing some out there:

3rd and long
1st&Goal
FantasyFootballFactor

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 28th, 2004, 8:33pm
I'll look into those, Keith, in due time (there is a big "but" here, though)...  BUT, get this, guys...  After all, I end up getting stuck with FootballInsiders.net for another year.  It's a long story as to why.  In VERY short, as Hostica, our web hosting company here, changed domain registrars, domain names registered before like June of last year have to be registered "manually" through them.  They called me about three weeks ago regarding this and the four domains of mine that were soon expiring, which included FootballInsiders.net.  At that time, since it was a non-committal situation, I just casually said that I was planning on renewing ALL of them and that I would get on it soon.  Since I actually got on it a bit late, they just went ahead and renewed all four of them.  So, the 10 bucks has not been saved.  I'm stuck with FootballInsiders.net for another year. :-/ And, to bring this around full-circle, since I did not get out from under that 10 bucks and I have a number of domain names as it is, I will be very reluctant to go purchasing any new ones. :( It would have to be a domain name that REALLY blew me away (or donations/sales at "the Gridiron Store (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/store.htm)" would REALLY have to start rolling in).  In any event, guys, note that it helps me and will surely make me more receptive if you first check the availability of a domain name before suggesting it to me.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by KillerKingSting on May 5th, 2004, 7:31am
What about FantaCityFootball as a name?? Just thought I would throw that out there. You could actually have the whole web site as a "city" so to speak , navagation through the streets, different areas of shopping, etc etc...... Used to be one of my team names ; FantaCity Stat-Cats  [smiley=nerd.gif] ;  anyhow, for whatever its worth  [smiley=woohoo.gif] theres my 2 cents at this time in the morning! [smiley=sleepers.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2005, 11:29pm
Just an update to this important (albeit god-forsaken ;)) thread...  I have officially finally jettisoned the domain FootballInsiders.net.  Just thought I'd update yas.  All other domains that I procured remain in the fold.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 6th, 2006, 12:22am
Again, shaving some expenses...  I decided not to renew the registrations for FantasyFootballQB.com and FFQuarterback.com.  Don't think we got much (traffic) out of them, actually.  Anyway, just updatin' yous... :)

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Apr 7th, 2006, 3:00pm

on 04/06/06 at 00:22:14, StegRock wrote:
Again, shaving some expenses... I decided not to renew the registrations for FantasyFootballQB.com and FFQuarterback.com. Don't think we got much (traffic) out of them, actually. Anyway, just updatin' yous... :)


Do you have stats on which ones you actually get traffic from and how much traffic it is?  

Honestly, I don't even know how many you have now, but it would probably be best to stick with one (fantasyfootballer.com) as the main one that is the most heavily marketed one and a few others (ffpro.com, ffqb.com, ffyi.com, etc.) that are catchy and could be used for other sideline ventures in the future.

I don't know that mass accumulation of domain names is a good strategy to drive traffic to the website unless they are being actively marketed.  Save some of that money from the domain names and put into a SEO consultant and it will be money much better spent.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 7th, 2006, 8:53pm

on 04/07/06 at 15:00:05, Philly wrote:
Save some of that money from the domain names and put into a SEO consultant and it will be money much better spent.


Don't know what an "SEO consultant" is, [smiley=shrug.gif] but, in any event, you mean ALL $19.90 (at least for the two domains I just jettisoned)??? ;) Whatever an "SEO consultant", they mustn't earn very much... ;)

Ultimately, I only have nine domains:  the eight I listed way back on May 29th of 2003 + FFQB.com.  That's it!

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Apr 7th, 2006, 11:05pm
SEO=Search Engine Optimization.  An SEO consultant helps get a website located closer to the top of the lists on google, yahoo, etc.  And yeah, it would probably take a bit more than $19.  Like I said, I didn't know how many domain names you still owned and have no idea what you're paying yearly for them.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Apr 7th, 2006, 11:07pm

on 04/07/06 at 15:00:05, Philly wrote:
Do you have stats on which ones you actually get traffic from and how much traffic it is?


Hostica should provide you with information on which domains are getting the most hits.  If there are some that aren't pulling their weight, it might be time to cut ties with them (unless you have specific plans for a side venture using that domain in the future, of course).

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 7th, 2006, 11:39pm

on 04/07/06 at 20:53:18, StegRock wrote:
$19.90


Quick correction... $17.90!


on 04/07/06 at 23:07:09, Philly wrote:
Hostica should provide you with information on which domains are getting the most hits. If there are some that aren't pulling their weight, it might be time to cut ties with them (unless you have specific plans for a side venture using that domain in the future, of course).


Thing is, Jeff, I currently have all that stats stuff shut off on all the domains. The log files and all the other databases and stuff that go with that end up taking up A LOT of space and had been in fact putting me over my resource limits (on hard-disk space specifically). ... The way I see it,... I see the "bottom line" anyway right here in front of my eyes. ... And, $8.95 times 9 isn't what's "holding us back". ... Creatio ex nihilo is a tough one to pull off... People even deny it of God. ;) I am, albeit a bit slowly, pulling it off here. ;) In that slow and steady process, however, I am developing just the kind of solid foundation of good guys I want. It will serve us well in the long run. ... It's just a bit ironic I'm saying this here on this thread (moreover, in light of recent correspondence I've had with one of our newest "old-timer" members, who has not yet revealed himself, and the demise of that league of his). :-X I had said WAY back (directly to, among others, you), "5 to 8 years is what we're lookin' at to get to the promised land, maybe even as many as 10."  As of right now, we've been in existence for all of 3 and a half years.  Patience is a virtue. [smiley=zenmaster.gif] No technology changes that.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Apr 10th, 2006, 1:12pm
Just tossing out ideas here.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 10th, 2006, 5:54pm
At this point, more than ideas I need that which makes ideas realities...  Once there, I canNOT wait to pick the brains of the bright minds of the passionate aficionados of our beloved hobby, who are on board the S.S. FantasyFootballer.com ship, [smiley=sailin.gif] including my own to a greater and freer degree.  Point being, my "responses" are only to show that I am not ignoring what's being suggested.  I take it all in.  I'm just painting the picture that,... well,... I'm just stuck.  Year-in-and-year-out baby steps are all that's on the horizon still,... which is fine, but it is looking as though this year's projected slightly bigger baby step is going to have to be postponed... because neither I... nor the whole of the site can come up with enough of "that which makes ideas realities".

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Apr 11th, 2006, 2:25pm

on 04/10/06 at 17:54:50, StegRock wrote:
At this point, more than ideas I need that which makes ideas realities... Once there, I canNOT wait to pick the brains of the bright minds of the passionate aficionados of our beloved hobby, who are on board the S.S. FantasyFootballer.com ship, [smiley=sailin.gif] including my own to a greater and freer degree. Point being, my "responses" are only to show that I am not ignoring what's being suggested. I take it all in. I'm just painting the picture that,... well,... I'm just stuck. Year-in-and-year-out baby steps are all that's on the horizon still,... which is fine, but it is looking as though this year's projected slightly bigger baby step is going to have to be postponed... because neither I... nor the whole of the site can come up with enough of "that which makes ideas realities".


:-/

Only you can choose which of your dreams you choose to make your reality.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 11th, 2006, 3:35pm

on 04/11/06 at 14:25:55, Philly wrote:
:-/

Only you can choose which of your dreams you choose to make your reality.


What the hell does that fuckin' mean? :-/ Please, I want to hear this one teased out... There is no one on the planet who goes after his dreams more veraciously and voraciously than I do. You aren't (yet) clued into that...??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] Acknowledging reality [smiley=doseofreality.gif] and the limitations and dynamics underlying things, though, is another thing I like to do, but does not change my trying to take the world by the balls and make dreams realities,... perhaps not even just for myself, but for those whose lives I have an opportunity to touch, who, moreover, may touch me back in this wonderfully interconnected latticework of interrelations where, if people pull together and pull resources, so much can be accomplished. Bottom line, one's choice of which dreams to make realities is contingent on real-life, real-world circumstances. Are you suggesting otherwise? This is all the more true when those dreams either involve fulfilling the dreams of others, can benefit others, contribute to the enjoyment of others or, in the very least, are dreams the outward manifestation of which others would kind of like to be a part of.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 11th, 2006, 4:29pm
Oh,... no,... now you got me goin'... [smiley=soapboxer.gif]

I'm just letting you all know how you can help me with these dreams (and either you can or you cannot; you will or will not; things ultimately are what they are, but some of you not only stand also to gain, but are people I want coming along for the ride), something I would think you all would want to know.  Nothing is more sad in life than when someone who could have done something or maybe even "made the difference" wasn't (made) aware of what was needed and, thus, didn't (even know to) step up, only to say after the fact, "Why didn't you just tell me?  I could have done something."  This is even more poignant when that person too stood to gain.

Furthermore, in this vain, in accordance, I am trying to get you guys focused on what matters (right now and deflect your focus away from what doesn't yet).

...Okay.  Step down.

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Philly on Apr 11th, 2006, 4:37pm

on 04/11/06 at 15:35:06, StegRock wrote:
Please, I want to hear this one teased out...


[smiley=pm.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 11th, 2006, 6:44pm
Gotchya, dude... :) Will pick it up in a sec...


on 04/11/06 at 16:29:13, StegRock wrote:
Nothing is more sad in life than when someone who could have done something or maybe even "made the difference" wasn't (made) aware of what was needed and, thus, didn't (even know to) step up, only to say after the fact, "Why didn't you just tell me? I could have done something."


Note that I am assuming that the person responding there is being honest.  I am taking it to be the case that the response is not just sound-good bullshit, which is actually often the case with most people (anymore?).

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Apr 12th, 2006, 4:03am
I did some research into SEO's, Jeff.  Bottom line, it costs, and you have to be careful, i.e., it would be yet another job going about finding a good one.  If you ever come across something reputable AND very affordable (an unlikely venture from what I can tell), by all means, pass it on.  In any event, though, your post did prompt me to go around a visit some of these SEO web sites, and in doing so I did learn a "meta tag" move that I wasn't employing.  I am now.  We'll see if it makes any difference...  From what I read, I think it could (obviously, that's why I went ahead and implemented it), maybe not a big one, but... one.  It's all about the differences that can be made...  Otherwise, you're left with the un-innovative and un-progressive status quo.  Anyway, thanks for the prompting. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jan 2nd, 2009, 12:47am
I know that some of you don't agree with my tack with stockpiling FF domains,... not that I have that big of a pile (9 in all). But, I do get contacted from time to time by dudes interested in purchasing this or that domain. In addition, I know it's not much, but it is the one thing that I can do to sort of get the word out that is affordable and, moreover, lasting (i.e., it's akin to a real-estate investment as I see it, in the long run at least; I own whatever domain as long as I decide to and successfully renew the registration).

Anyway, one of them was poached three years ago. :-[ The circumstance was lousy. I somehow stopped receiving my domain alerts and reminders by e-mail as regarded this domain name, like as they would send out when it came time to renewing the registration on a domain. Adding insult to injury, I was unbeknownstly devoting web space to this domain for a good number of months before checking my alternate domains by chance one day and realizing this one directed elsewhere. Mind you, it wasn't being used for a fantasy football (or Final Fantasy, some video game, I gather) web site. It was just parked. It was a horrible feeling. My heart sank. [smiley=touching.gif] I contacted Hostica to see if they could help, explaining the circumstances and how they were kind of partially at fault. They advised, but they couldn't really do anything. What made it crappy, though, was that they had no explanation as to why I had stopped receiving my e-mail alerts about the domain about a year and a half prior (I knew exactly when they cut off because I save all this stuff in my Outlook). I contacted the chap who swiped it with a heartfelt message as to the circumstance with this domain. I was willing to offer him something reasonable to reobtain it. He [smiley=greedy.gif] wanted $700. [smiley=ohshit.gif] ... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ... [smiley=nono.gif] Needless to say...

Well, because of a small registration problem I was dealing with today (behind the scenes) regarding FantasyFootballer.com ([smiley=yikes.gif]), which in the end worked out fine (thank God), I was reminded of this old situation with this other domain name and decided to punch it in my address bar and see what's up with it. To my surprise, it was down. :o ... [smiley=pray.gif] As my heart sank before, it now jumped out of my chest Grinch-style [smiley=grinch.gif] with excitement, and when I went to see if it was available, IT WAS!!! I guess that guy finally gave up. So, as of 4:35 (PST) on January 1, New Year's Day, 2009, after about a three-year hiatus, our first-ever alternate domain is back where and with whom it belongs (for "just A LITTLE" ;) under $700 [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif]),... US! Even those skeptical of/not high on this tack of mine with the domain names like, for example, brother Jeffy, loved this one...


on 05/03/03 at 17:51:20, StegRock wrote:
Anybody get on over to FFInsiders.com (http://www.ffinsiders.com/)? Nice site!


What a way to kick off 2009!!! [smiley=booya.gif] The "insiders" are back!!! [smiley=woohoo.gif]

[smiley=bouncin.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by StegRock on Jan 3rd, 2009, 4:31pm
Something peripheral I learned in reacquiring FFInsiders.com (http://www.ffinsiders.com) is "domain aliasing". [smiley=steg.gif] I don't know if Hostica didn't have that feature back in the day or what, but I just set up my alternate domains with index pages that refreshed to FantasyFootballer.com.  That method I knew how to do.  It is okay and, of course, I get some use out of some of those other domain names, but, by and large, especially if I am not going to use the domain for anything else, this domain aliasing is the way to go.  It is a much more efficient and streamlined approach, (much-neededly) saving a little disk space and giving the domain more potential exposure because it is able to be plugged in wherever the domain of which it is an alias appears.  Case in point, http://www.ffinsiders.com/gbrfl/ takes you to the GBRFL home page as does the usual http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/.  Nice!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I'm, for sure, going to convert hosted domains that I am not using for anything else over to domain aliases when I can get the chance. [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: Nice FF Sites and Domains!
Post by Stegfucius on Sep 25th, 2016, 4:16am
'Tis been a looooooong time since this thread mattered...  But, with things starting to look up on "the Gridiron" over the next year, this domain came to mind as it surely should direct people HERE.  Check out FFGridiron.com (http://www.ffgridiron.com).  Could not believe it was available for regular registration! [smiley=ohshit.gif]



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