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Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« on: Apr 9th, 2003, 2:16pm »
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http://youthfantasyfootball.com/
 
Come on! Get a grip! There is NOBODY who loves this GREAT hobby of ours more than I do.  That having been said, ... Encourage kids to go out and throw the damn ball while they can, to get some fresh air.  Get 'em involved in school-sponsored, social extra-curricular activities because, as "we" all know now, those opportunities unfortunately don't last forever.  They'll have enough time for this shit when they are out of school, all beer-bellied and out of shape, perhaps longing to recapture some athletic past, or absence thereof, in a basically vicarious way, and perhaps have a few bucks in their wallets to blow on it.  I see ABSOLUTELY NO fuckin' reason for kids under college age to play this, frankly speaking, somewhat pathetically vicarious (and, yes, that applies to some degree to me, I will admit), typically gambling-oriented, essentially futureless, and sit-inside-alone-staring-at-your-computer (at least as far as this internet manifestation of our hobby goes) game of ours.  It is like getting little girls into playing mahjong.  Frankly speaking, I find it ghoulish... a word that actually enters my mind a lot when I check out... (uh, that's another thread topic)
 
Let me sum it up by saying that I think it is just a ploy to sucker kids into kiddie porn!  And, it does nothing but potentially give our truly neat hobby "for adults" a black eye among normal folk, not (yet) involved in the hobby, as does... (uh, that's that other topic coming into my head again), and I, for one, know this to be fact from my dealings and conversations with regards to fantasy football OUTSIDE of the internet.  To a large extent anymore, to be a "fantasy footballer" means to be an "internet geek", and that hurts, coming from a guy who participated in this hobby for NINE years from 1989 through 1997 without any internet influence at all or any internet connection, for that matter, period, and actually without even a computer for most of those years (oh brother, I am really encroaching on that other topic...  Some summary, huh?  I had better stop)!
 
SO, do you guys have any thoughts?  Eh-hem...
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #1 on: Apr 9th, 2003, 2:52pm »
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Checked out said website and was quite disappointed not to see any kiddie porn there.  You mislead me Steg!   j/k  
 
Anyway, I find it very hard to believe that fantasy sports are being marketed to children.  I never even considered that kids would be interested in fantasy leagues.  I never even considered getting involved in fantasy sports until I was in my mid-late twenties and any hope of playing professional football was long gone.
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #2 on: Apr 9th, 2003, 3:11pm »
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Looks like that's the site for me!  
 
If you are all un-aware I'm 17. Steg,  it's to late, I've been brainwashed already by fantasy football.  
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 9th, 2003, 6:18pm »
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on Apr 9th, 2003, 3:11pm, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Looks like that's the site for me!
 
If you are all un-aware I'm 17. Steg, it's to late, I've been brainwashed already by fantasy football.

 
It all depends on one's specific situation, KJ 76, but generally speaking...  You have mentioned that you were born in Spain or something like that.  When did you get here?  Are you attending high school?  What other kinds of things are you into?  How long have you been playing fantasy football?  I mean it is not like you are 10 , or even 15.  (I mean these questions seriously, not rhetorically, KJ 76, so please answer them...  I'd like to know your specific circumstances...  You are awfully mature for your age...  I mean that in a VERY complimentary way, and I think those questions will speak to that fact and elucidate your "specific" sitch.)
 
As for me, I got into the hobby by being exposed to it as I graduated high school, starting up a league made up of a bunch of high school buddies heading off in different directions, to different schools.  A couple of dudes were still not graduating, actually.  I think we had two guys who were going to be juniors in high school.  One of the main reasons for starting the league was that it was a way for us all to keep in touch during this time of separation.  Point being, those guys were like 16 when they were "dragged" into it, and there you have your example of a "reasonable" exception, born out of very "natural" and "wholesome," so to speak, circumstances.  Actually, I must admit that two others had been playing rotisserie baseball and football for a couple years prior, like since they were 16, as well.  They got into it by way of their being sports-card, mainly baseball-card, collectors and hearing about it at some baseball-card convention, again, though, a fairly natural way to stumble across the hobby.  One other addendum to all this... we ALL played sports in high school, varsity, intramural, and/or even "sandlot" for that matter.
 
Ultimately, it is the direct and audacious marketing to "youths" that's distasteful to me... like we have to "infuse" the hobby in and "foster"/"bring up" the "next generation." I see the "spirit" of fantasy sports as being very akin, or at least analogous, to poker.  I mean you might start dabbling in poker nights with the guys and chokin' on stogies when you are 16, 17 or 18 (I've definitely been there), but it is a "hobby"/pastime that really sinks its teeth in later in life.  But, in any event, it definitely is not something that needs to be "fostered," no less "taught or "encouraged"... moreover, by adults.
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #4 on: Apr 9th, 2003, 9:16pm »
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I was actually born here in the U.S, my parents are the one's from Spain. Although, I do go to Spain every summer, and also plan on going this year.
 
Yeah, I am currently in highschool. I play football, basketball, track and field, get wasted on the weekends. All the normal stuff.  
 
I got into Fantasy Football around when I was 14. I really didn't know much about football back then, as much as I know, but I played just for the sheer aspect of it's "competitive and fun" side of it.  
 
Fantasy football got me into the NFL. Fantasy baseball got me into the MLB. And fantasy hockey got me into the NHL.(I've always been a fan of the NBA)  
 
From the perspective of a "teenager," I wouldn't neccesarily say that all this is directed at a younger audience. I mean, I've only been in a few money leagues, but that's with friends of mine from here around the town. Nothing major.  I do admit though, yeah alot of kids are into fantasy football, but not as into of it as some of you guys on here are, or even me for that matter.
 
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #5 on: Apr 9th, 2003, 9:38pm »
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on Apr 9th, 2003, 9:16pm, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
From the perspective of a "teenager," I wouldn't neccesarily say that all this is directed at a younger audience.

 
It ALL isn't (which, obviously, I think is a good thing).  Herein, just the scary site linked to above!
 
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I do admit though, yeah alot of kids are into fantasy football, but not as into of it as some of you guys on here are, or even me for that matter.

 
That's good to hear!  Again, I don't really care what one does with their life hobby-wise as long as he/she doesn't harm anybody.  My (main) gripe is more with these guys pushin' it like Little League.
 
Thanks for responding, at any rate, KJ 76.  Now, go get some of those high school buddies of yours to sign up here.  Oh, that merits...
 
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #6 on: Apr 10th, 2003, 12:18am »
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I gotta ask, where does the kiddie porn hunch come from? Totally lost me there. Looks like nothing but a bunch of established ff sites, primarily fanex offering a place where kids can go against other kids.
 
I'll agree with kids being better suited to actually playing than surfing, but if they're disposed to surfing, why not fantasy football. My son has played real and fantasy football since 94/95,well, he doesn't play real football anymore at 22, and my daughter actually won our family league's superbowl at the age of 12. Only major difference is at that point, the net was a very small part of the hobby.
 
Really dont see what your point is.  ???
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #7 on: Apr 10th, 2003, 8:35am »
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I think what Steg is trying to say is that there are a lot of pedophiles out there that might create a "youth" fantasy football league in order to attract kids and lure them into their sick worlds. I took it as a joke, but he does have a point. That kind of stuff does happen.
 
As with anything, the key is moderation. For example, I have a little boy and he sees me on the computer everyday doing my fantasy stuff. When he gets old enough, he'll start asking me what I'm doing and want to be a part of it. In fact, he's not even 2 yet and he wants to sit on my lap and hit the keyboard! My point being that he is most likely to be involved at a young age simply because he'll grow up around it. If used properly, fantasy sports can be a great way to do something "special" with your child. I'm all for playing "real" sports, but when you think about it, playing on the computer is no different then playing video games, and what kid doesn't do that!
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 10th, 2003, 11:18am »
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Maybe it is the perception of fantasy footballers that is the issue here.  (And we all know that ultimately, perception IS reality.)
 
I think Steg hit the nail on the head with the Poker analogy.  Sure, I played poker now and then for fun when I was in middle/high school, but it was always perceived as an "adult" activity.  Not that there was anything morally wrong or inappropriate with it.  Heck, I remember my dad teaching me how to play and evaluate different hands.  I think there is the same perception of fantasy footballers.  I have a son on the way and I'm sure I'll be in WalkerBoh's sitch before too long.  I'm definitely going to encourage activity in the real thing before fantasy.  I don't think I'll discourage fantasy sports, but I'm certainly not going to push it on him.
 
Regarding the YFF website, I don't necessarily buy the whole pedophilia issue, but I got a weird feeling when I visited the site.  I thought it seemed as if the webmaster was pandering to youth - maybe it was just his choice of language... I don't know.  The site just seemed kind of henky to me.
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #9 on: Apr 10th, 2003, 12:52pm »
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Oh brother!  Here we go... the minute, ONE sentence of my initial spiel ends up the focal point.  As stated above by Walker and obviously understood by most here, it was a fuckin' JOKE.  Some one of you actually got lost in that joke.  If that is all you "speak" to here, then, of course, you are destined for helpless confusion.  Focus on the "Poker" analogy (or even the new "Video Game" analogy of Walker's), this sales pitch of infusing/fostering the hobby in our kids , the explanation of how I got into the hobby and the natural ways I alluded to that young people may wind up getting involved, the adjectives I used to describe fantasy football in my original post, and perhaps my perspective on the "internet geek" stereotype, not this fuckin' peripherally related, extreme, one-line JOKE!
 
I would say that how your daughter got into it, 420, just sounds like a harmless, cutesy thing.  I see your story as being like lettin' the kids get in the adult volleyball game at the family picnic.  No problem there!
 
But, I do want to speak to the stories Walker and Philly mention about (the possibility of) their children's (inevitably) getting involved because daddy is at the computer so often... mainly dinkin' around with fantasy football stuff.  This situation was brought up as though it is helplessly unavoidable.  Here's my question, though.  What would you do if you were at home on the computer for hours upon hours doing something else, let's say for work, drawing up contracts, writing or editing articles or books, doing (mundane) research, computer programming (of the dense kind), etc., etc., (sifting through new batches of pornographic pictures for your porn web site... NOTE:  THAT WAS A JOKE!)?  I mean...  What kind of devices would you use to avoid your child's getting involved in those hours of activities?  I mean...  Is your child hopelessly destined to become the next contractor, editor/writer, researcher, computer programmer, etc., etc., (pornographer... JOKE)?  I guess what I am saying is that the fact that daddy is on the computer a lot "playing" fantasy football is not a "de facto" excuse for getting a kid involved in something that is more appropriate for folks... on the other side of the eight ball, so to speak!
 
The counter-argument here would be...  But, Steg, isn't the son or daughter of a "kite-flyer" likely also to acquire the hobby of kite-flying?  And, what's wrong with that?  Answers...  "Yes!" and "Nothing!"  So, by virtue of that, what I am speaking about here definitely and inextricable (and obviously) involves the "nature" of our hobby vis-a-vis the "nature" of a hobby like kite-flying, might I add, one of the most "quintessential hobbies" I can think of.  Now that takes me back to those adjectives I originally used and the subsequent analogies.  Those adjectives I used would NOT apply to kite-flying, so there is a difference there that I do not feel like having to extrapolate or even put into words, either you (are willing to) get it or you don't (aren't), and while I see fantasy football as akin to poker in spirit, I see kite-flying as akin to collecting baseball cards in spirit.  And, if you just do not "see" or cannot even "appreciate" whence I am coming, then you just won't, but that does not mitigate the value or truth of what I am saying.  It just means what it means, that you don't "see" it and don't get it.
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
« Reply #10 on: Apr 11th, 2003, 9:53am »
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I started playing fantasy football at age 15. I think 10 is a little young, but I don't see anything wrong with this site.
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Re: Are you kidding me with this YFF shtick?
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This seemed like, perhaps not the perfect, but the most apropos thread on which to post this.  From "The REAL Feed":
 
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