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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #450 on: Aug 8th, 2011, 1:28am »
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on Aug 6th, 2011, 1:05am, StegRock wrote:
Michele Bachmann must be laughing her ass off, while shaking her head, of course, and thinking, "I told yous so."

 
You know, I shouldn't just be attributing the view just to the newcomer Bachmann.  Where is my old friend-turned-archenemy (by way of this thread) Junkyard Jake now when I need him?  JYJ's old pal Ron Paul has been saying this stuff since time immemorial, it seems.  Granted, I am nowhere near converting to libertarianism (I think social issues matter, and I think a generally isolationist international policy is much easier said than done, especially in light of inevitably increasing globalization).  But, from a fiscal perspective, I think these guys are delivering or at least speaking the tough love we need so badly at this time in our history.
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« Reply #451 on: Aug 8th, 2011, 6:54am »
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on Aug 8th, 2011, 1:28am, StegRock wrote:

 
You know, I shouldn't just be attributing the view just to the newcomer Bachmann. Where is my old friend-turned-archenemy (by way of this thread) Junkyard Jake now when I need him? JYJ's old pal Ron Paul has been saying this stuff since time immemorial, it seems. Granted, I am nowhere near converting to libertarianism (I think social issues matter, and I think a generally isolationist international policy is much easier said than done, especially in light of inevitably increasing globalization). But, from a fiscal perspective, I think these guys are delivering or at least speaking the tough love we need so badly at this time in our history.

 
 
I agree we need tough love......but I don't think the tough love should come from the extreme right (or the extreme left).   The solution is cutting spending AND raising revenue.    Seriously.....we are still subsidizing the oil industry with their bazillions in profit.   Let's start there.   Other subsidies also need to be looked at....like those for farmers.   At the same time, all the pork needs to be cut out.   Some of the stuff we spend money on is a complete joke.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #452 on: Aug 8th, 2011, 8:18pm »
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First, let's bring this around here...
 
on Aug 6th, 2011, 1:21pm, StegRock wrote:
No major disagreement here... I think it is a matter of emphasis. It is just that, at some fundamental fiscal (home economics) level, SPENDING is our problem. Taxing the rich is not a sustainable plan of attacking our nation's budget problems. Moreover, it is conducive to that caretaker mindset that underlies our entitlement culture of "what my country can do for me" instead of prompting a mindset of "what I can do for my country," that is to say, facilitating a sense of contributing to the country (something over 50% of our population does not do, indeed, does the opposite). The problem with just taxing the rich is that it does not spread out that feeling of investment, of being vested in. Taxing the rich is a SHORTSIGHTED "solution". The point ultimately is that taxing, while a possible temporary band-aid, is NOT, strictly speaking, our problem. Therefore, taxing the rich does not take care of nor even serve to address the PROBLEM. The philosophy of "throwing money at it", whether it is education (speaking against my own self-interest here; hell, as a poor guy, I am speaking against my self-interest across the board here, but I am speaking up for my self-esteem), welfare, or Pakistan, has to be evolved beyond. Forget about the fiscal, it is the psychological, philosophical and spiritual dimensions of the human experience that are being so damaged by the American culture of entitlement (which, I believe, has undergirded this distinctively American culture of ME, but I digress). Again, political correctness (and the fact that I have no time right now for this) prohibits me from going farther into my analysis, that is to say, simply saying what many people have identified as problematic and troublesome and are stuck discussing in their homes behind closed doors because of the ironic "Protestantism" and "evangelism" of the American left.

 


on Aug 8th, 2011, 6:54am, DirkDiggler wrote:
I agree we need tough love......but I don't think the tough love should come from the extreme right (or the extreme left). The solution is cutting spending AND raising revenue. Seriously.....we are still subsidizing the oil industry with their bazillions in profit. Let's start there. Other subsidies also need to be looked at....like those for farmers. At the same time, all the pork needs to be cut out. Some of the stuff we spend money on is a complete joke.

 
First off, ironically I do not think the governing middle has the stomach to do this, that is to say, to do what needs to be done. Isn't the irony that we are at a point where, on this specific issue, it seems like precisely what we need is for BOTH extremes to succeed and for the establishment middle to get out of the way?
 
Other than that, in spirit I am with ya, Double D... In particular, corporate welfare disgusts me, and so do the kind of profits that the big oil companies, like Exxon, rake in! That said, here is what I am concerned with...
 
on Jul 12th, 2011, 1:33pm, StegRock wrote:
What also hurts the regular folks is higher taxes, including on the rich because, insofar as a high number of the wealthy are business owners and, not even persons, but corporations, that tax burden (and/or the LEGAL and accounting costs of locating loopholes like Obama's cronies over at GE) gets passed on in the form of higher prices; increased (hair-splitting unreasonable) regulations because, again, the fines and LEGAL costs on companies to follow them is passed on to the consumer, and expanded bureaucracy, which is funded by tax dollars and a source of profound fraud, waste and abuse.

 
The squeeze is always on the middle class. Furthermore, I must admit that I do not belief in the knee-jerk universal application of the old adage "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer." It simply does not accord with my experience of life. Indeed, I am of the belief that, when the economy is good, the rich get richer, but the poor are also better off. Also, from a philosophical perspective, I am concerned about the deleterious effects of a massive welfare system on the human psyche and spirit.  I mean, surely you are not for further extending and even raising employment benefits, are you?
 
Bottom line, regarding the side of the ball of generating revenue, did you happen to catch Bill O'Reilly's "Talking Points" tonight? What is wrong with a plan like that, which involves closing corporate loopholes (it is still going to trickle down "on" the middle man, but... ), a flat tax, and a very small national sales tax?
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #453 on: Aug 10th, 2011, 11:39pm »
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Oh, my Lord, this Erica Payne of the "Agenda Project" (why don't you just come out and say you have an "agenda") is such an idiot!  Keynesian economics is incompatible with the free market (not that that is exactly what we have in America).  Indeed, it can only mean something different than supply-side economics to the degree that socialism pervades.  In other words, supply-siders say that, when supplies increase, demand increases, and people can afford the goods because increased supply (presumably) means more jobs.  The initial investment is made by the entrepreneur, and this means the government needs to, for the most part, back off.  Keynesians, like Ms. Payne(ful to listen to), say that increasing demand prompts an increase in supply (which is ridiculous insofar as the market is free).  If you are thinking this through, such an idea should cause you to scratch your head like me and think, but wait, where does the money come from?  How do the people afford the goods they "demand"?  Well, option one, people are able to afford the goods by entrepreneurs putting them to work, and then see above; it is just supply-side (so that is not the answer).  Option two, real Keynesianism, demand is increased by the government's doling out the money and forcing the supply.  The key difference lies in who is responsible for making the initial "investment", individuals or the government.  The former is free market while the latter is socialistic.  Don't let all the smoke and mirrors fool you.  That is the bottom line!
 
Next, former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia McKinney is actively inciting hatred of America in the middle east: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPIuDPdLzDQ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2bFTLRHRc.  This woman praises some book written by Qaddafi on democracy and talks about how, while in America homes are being foreclosed on, in Libya homes are being built.  What alternate reality does this nut-job live in?  Why don't you go live in Libya for a few years, in one of their new homes, and tell me how that works out.
 
But, hey, here, here to the Philadelphia mayor, Michael Nutter, speaking some much-needed tough love and moreover the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXwCOcBjpbg.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #454 on: Aug 21st, 2011, 1:24pm »
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More success stories coming out of uber-left California...  From "The REAL Feed":
 
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I often wonder why the psychological studies and philosophy of "enabling" that were quite popular and emergent about 20 years ago died out.  It is because the lefties (in academia and politics) did not like its trajectory, which, heaven forbid for the leftist agenda, bends towards personal responsibility and tough love.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #455 on: Sep 21st, 2011, 9:32pm »
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Look, I want to clarify up front that I am not saying that we should just up and totally do away with Social Security Insurance, especially for those who truly need it, such as senior citizens, and have done their due diligence paying into it their whole lives.  BUT, does anybody ever consider the possible deleterious effects Social Security has had on the American family?  (Put in Confucian terms, it undermines xiao!)  If a moratorium were put on SSI, would not one of the effects be that we would take care of our aging parents, aunties (to think Hawaiian about it) and uncles better?  Or, at least, that is the ethical situation into which we would be thrust and which I think would be good for us!
 
On a side note, I saw a bumper sticker today that said, "The Labor Movement...  The people who brought you weekends."  What a bunch of liberal nonsense... reminiscent of the secular liberal lie that the "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution (the line comes from Jefferson's interpretation of the First Amendment as he states it in his letter to the Danbury Baptists, which by the way can still be read to mean separation of church from state, but I digress).  The labor movement did not give us weekends.  Our Judeo-Christian heritage did, you morons!  It is called the SABBATH!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #456 on: Oct 6th, 2011, 11:34pm »
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For the rest of us, just to use one example, buying mercury-filled bulbs that cost TEN to FIFTEEN times more but only last six to eight times longer (and that is according to them; it seems to me that they last two to four times longer, i.e., where my incandescent bulb lasts six months, these last about a year or two) (and as far as overall energy efficiency who the hell really knows) is noticeable when you have to live on a budget (and forget about it if you break one; $10 down the drain and a nightmare cleanup).

 
Boy, are we being hornswoggled!  Mind you, let me preface that "my guy" Bush signed this bullshit into law.  So, anyway, some months ago I have to change two of the four bulbs above our bathroom medicine cabinet above the sink.  I use one energy-saver incandescent and one expensive-ass LONG-LASTING energy-saver fluorescent, and, mind you, two incandescent bulbs remained.  Well, a few days ago one went out.  Which one do yous think it was?  Coming in a distant FOURTH... You guessed it...  The energy-saving, long-lasting, expensive-ass fluorescent bulb!  And, mind you, that is against two bulbs that were already in there for some time.  And, I can already foresee the trouble lurking down the road because of the mercury these bulbs contain.  It will come in the form of both class-action law suits over health issues due to exposure to broken bulbs (especially children) and environmental problems due to improper bulb disposal (which just about everybody is guilty of).  Oh, and just to update, all three of the other CHEAPO bulbs continue to shed light on the world.
 
In other "sunny" news, we have a McDonald's on campus.  Given my schedule about a year ago, I used to hit it like twice a week.  There was a young gal working there who carried herself well, was well-adjusted and personable, was trying hard and ultimately went about her job very well.  I shared with her that I did my time at Mickey Dee's when I was going through college and would encouragingly compliment her regularly and say to keep up the good work.  She was a student, and sometimes I would bump into her on campus.  We formed a little acquaintanceship of sorts.  Well, at the beginning of the summer, we bumped into her at Walmart.  She was nicely made up, dressed business casual (a little much on the cleavage, but not too over-the-top) and was talkative and eager to tell me about the office (summer) job she had gotten (and was evidently headed to or from).  I, of course, congratulated her and encouraged her to continue trying her best and pressing on as her efforts were obviously paying off.  WELL, I bump into her a couple weeks ago, again, at Walmart.  I was in a bit of a rush and kept moving.  I noticed she had a nicely full cart, and so in passing I just made some quick general comment about doing grocery shopping.  Her response, SHE SHAMELESSLY AND PRIDEFULLY SAYS - and, mind you, I had kept moving so we were a good distance from each other and there were a lot of people in earshot, "Yea, I finally got my Link card," at which point I got a little lightheaded, had to pick my jaw up off the floor and stopped and tried to remember what aisle I was headed to.  Needless to say, I was speechless... and nauseous. The welfare state has become so huge that it is now functioning as a further source of financial aid for school.  Holy hell... because that is where we are headed.
 
Quick hits, the dorks of the Graduate Assistant Union - yea, that shows you how far gone we are; my dad who was a truck driver and real union guy, a teamster, would be rolling over in his grave - is threatening to strike. What a useless bunch of panty-wastes!  I guess they aren't able to eat out EVERY night of the week.  Mind you, we have a fine deal here at SIU, and that is setting aside the philosophy behind teaching and research assistantships.  My FAMILY and I have gotten by just fine.  Haven't seen a movie in years, and we hardly ever go out to eat, save for fast food, and even that isn't very often, but that's part of the deal.  You don't become middle-class as a GA... or on public assistance (that's the fallacy).
 
Obama was ultimately right when he recently said that we have lost our competitive edge and become soft, and conservatives condemning those comments are in denial and moreover missing the point.  The problem is not the truth of what Obama said, it is much worse than that.  It is the gall of his saying it and how droll he is in saying it... as it is the policies of HIS party that have facilitated this softness and loss of competitive edge.  That is what I should be hearing from the conservatives, not condemnation of the comment itself, which is true, and moreover, is a comment the truth of which is what the conservative position is based on.  As Chris Berman and the guys say on ESPN, "Come on, man!"
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #457 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 11:14am »
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« Reply #458 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 5:34pm »
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I want to get this on the record based on today's news...
 
I think politics should have been set aside and we should have left a base of, say, ten- to thirty-thousand troops in Iraq for the sake of both stability and influence.  If Iraq falters because of chaos in the region, do not blame it on Bush or the Republican in power at the time if Obama is voted out.  It is Obama who led this victory march (out of Iraq) (as Maliki boldly stated in his speech today as he back-stabbed Bush).
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« Reply #459 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 5:42pm »
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on Dec 12th, 2011, 5:34pm, StegRock wrote:
I want to get this on the record based on today's news...
 
I think politics should have been set aside and we should have left a base of, say, ten- to thirty-thousand troops in Iraq for the sake of both stability and influence. If Iraq falters because of chaos in the region, do not blame it on Bush or the Republican in power at the time if Obama is voted out. It is Obama who led this victory march (out of Iraq) (as Maliki boldly stated in his speech today as he back-stabbed Bush).

 
I agree with the sentiment.....That is like saying don't blame Obama for the economy, Carter for high gas prices,etc.....  Americans and the media are incapable of this task!!!
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« Reply #460 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 5:55pm »
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Mind you, that is not to say that Bush deserves no blame.  However, until we assign blame correctly (an important step in understanding the source of a problem) (which involves politicians, especially Presidents, stepping up and accepting blame,... eh-hem,... responsibility, mind you) and stop playing politics, we will not find solutions (because the sources are obfuscated).  Indeed, I think the relationship between the former (assignment of blame/responsibility) and the latter (finding solutions) is one of direct proportion!
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So, the hot push-button topics these days are high school bullying and gay rights... So, what do "they" make Mitt Romney out to be? Duhhh, the high school bully of a gay kid, of course! The shots come no cheaper! We cannot be susceptible to this transparent level of emotions and mind control. If we are, we deserve the ruins they leave us in.
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« Reply #462 on: Jun 6th, 2012, 11:13pm »
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This liberal meme of class warfare and taxing the rich is not about the poor.  It is about preserving public-sector jobs, and, first and foremost, make no mistakes, the highest paying ones!
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« Reply #463 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 8:47pm »
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You know who I think Mitt Romney should choose as his vice-presidential running mate -- now don't think me totally off my rocker; I think this choice would make A LOT of strategic sense, and, well, simply put, I like her: Star Parker out of California! If you do not know who she is, look her up! Her story is the precise narrative conservatives (should) want in the public consciousness and conversation.
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« Reply #464 on: Jul 19th, 2012, 8:30pm »
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Just to let yous know, I have been doing much of my politico talk these days at YouTube.  It is just commentary, but here it is if you happen to be interested: http://www.youtube.com/user/StegRock.
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on Jul 19th, 2012, 8:30pm, StegRock wrote:
Just to let yous know, I have been doing much of my politico talk these days at YouTube. It is just commentary, but here it is if you happen to be interested: http://www.youtube.com/user/StegRock.

 
Some recent thoughts...
 
The politicization of this horrific event in Aurora, Colorado by ABC News, Brian Ross and George Stephanopoulus is atrocious and should be condemned.  Fox News lies... only in the sense that the truth amid a sea of lies in the mainstream media and academia seems like a lie.
 
All in all, Bush connections notwithstanding (not that I care), Condoleezza Rice would be a great choice for VP!
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« Reply #466 on: Jul 27th, 2012, 4:26pm »
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on SO MANY levels!
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« Reply #467 on: Sep 13th, 2012, 12:30am »
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Wow, we are way more loved and respected the world over and especially in the Middle East because of President Obama. That was the idea, was it not? The price of Barack and Michelle's date in New York City when he was first elected: $150,000. The price of one-hundred rounds of golf for the Prez: $1,650,000. The price of electing Obama: $745,000,000. Our embassies in Egypt and Libya attacked on 9/11, a dead ambassador and three others slain!!! Priceless!!!
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Wow, we are way more loved and respected the world over and especially in the Middle East because of President Obama. That was the idea, was it not? The price of Barack and Michelle's date in New York City when he was first elected: $150,000. The price of one-hundred rounds of golf for the Prez: $1,650,000. The price of electing Obama: $745,000,000. Our embassies in Egypt and Libya attacked on 9/11, a dead ambassador and three others slain!!! Priceless!!!

 
 
I am not sure I understand the point of this post at all. Do you really think presidential politics has ANYTHING to do with our embassy being attacked in Libya and Egypt? (and now apparently Yemen) Do you think they would NOT have been attacked if a Republican was president? This was clearly a PLANNED attack by TERRORISTS.  
 
What in the hell does a dinner date, golf, or money spent on an election have to do with an attack on American lives?
 
Please don't respond and say that if a Republican was president this wouldn't of happened. And don't say that Obama won't do anything about it as he is the one who authorized the killing of Osama Bin Laden in a foreign country without permission.
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on Sep 13th, 2012, 8:44am, DirkDiggler wrote:
I am not sure I understand the point of this post at all. Do you really think presidential politics has ANYTHING to do with our embassy being attacked in Libya and Egypt? (and now apparently Yemen) Do you think they would NOT have been attacked if a Republican was president? This was clearly a PLANNED attack by TERRORISTS.  
 
What in the hell does a dinner date, golf, or money spent on an election have to do with an attack on American lives?
 
Please don't respond and say that if a Republican was president this wouldn't of happened. And don't say that Obama won't do anything about it as he is the one who authorized the killing of Osama Bin Laden in a foreign country without permission.

 
While I, of course, am speaking in hyperbole, I do think that international appeasement, and especially Middle East appeasement, is not good foreign policy.  What is going on now reminds us of what: Jimmy Carter circa 1979.  The POTUS is President of the United States, not savior of the world.  No, I do not think that THIS would have happened under, say, Reaganesque leadership (McCain, I do not know -- maybe).  That said, the flip side is that the so-called "Arab Spring" might not have happened or, at least, unfolded the way it has.  That is true.  But, whether that itself and how it has unfolded is a good thing is surely yet to be seen, no?  What would have been under Republican leadership (McCain), who knows?  So, anyway, in conclusion, yes, I DO think that Obama "owns" this, especially Libya... and Egypt too, just like (I am sure you would claim that) Bush "owns" Iraq, no?
 
I also think that the stance of the Dems on, say, water-boarding versus drone strikes is duplicitous and hypocritical.  I personally prefer the stronger, more US-loving (than US-loathing) international policy and military tack of the Republicans, notwithstanding the disparaging, propagandistic, name-calling libbo label "cowboy diplomacy", to appeasing rhetoric (which mainly functions as justification for the extremists) combined with sneaky drone deathblows (which then pisses off those same extremists you have just emboldened), which is sure to put radicals in power in these middle eastern countries (if Obama is reelected).  We cannot forget that to these radicals apologies and self-doubt are signs of insecurity, weakness, victory over us and vulnerability and, ultimately, an invitation to "even the score".
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #470 on: Sep 16th, 2012, 2:49am »
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on Sep 13th, 2012, 12:30am, StegRock wrote:
The price of electing Obama: $745,000,000.

 
This is another false narrative the perpetuation of which I am getting sick and tired of.  McCain raised $230,000,000 in private funds, OVER $500,000,000 LESS than Obama!  Yet, the Dems keep on telling us that it is the Republicans that buy elections, how wrong that is and how we have to stop that.  Yes, there are ads made by other outside players, but, again, that happens on both sides, and it surely does not account for roughly 225% MORE support and spending.  Enough with the disinformation!  Make no mistakes about what party the party of spending is!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #471 on: Sep 20th, 2012, 3:25pm »
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It seems like this is worth revisiting...
 
on Jan 17th, 2011, 12:42am, StegRock wrote:
The Communist/Socialist ideal is equality of income, that is, for everybody to earn the same wage. Sounds good, but think the implications of that through. If the government/public sector bloats to 50% of the population, what would the tax on those working in the private sector have to be? The answer, 100%! 100% of the earnings of private-sector workers would have to be taken and given to public-sector workers (and/or government-program recipients) for there to be equal earnings across the board. Yikes!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #472 on: Oct 2nd, 2012, 6:03pm »
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First, quick clarification on the above post, it is in terms of earnings...
 
Next, how insane is it to vote before the first debate?  That is the direction we are moving in with this early/absentee voting that, depending on the state, starts, to my knowledge, at least as early as SIX WEEKS before Election Day.  People are cheating themselves voting like that.  Do you know how much can happen and how much you can come to learn in six weeks?  And, I am not just talking about the Presidential election!  And, well, you've "mailed in" your vote...
 
Finally, regarding the big debate tomorrow,...
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #473 on: Oct 4th, 2012, 3:54am »
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You cannot hide who you really are...
 
"Everybody's getting a fair share," umm, err, "Everybody's doing a fair share."
 
Oh, and by the way, false narrative alert... If you followed the CNN clock, Obama overall spoke for about four more minutes than Romney!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #474 on: Oct 25th, 2012, 7:27pm »
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I got to get this one off my chest... The "carving up" of our nation for political purposes is driving me nuts... It is actually from my "comments" feed over at YouTube from some time ago...
 
Mind you, I am not anti-abortion, but that is not based on a woman's "right to choose"... Let's be clear... The so-called pro-"choice" position logically boils down to nothing more than this...
 
A woman's right to an unwanted impregnation trumps a fetus's right to... A LIFE!
 
What a noble position! What a wonderful guiding principle on which to base your politics! Abortion may be a "necessary" evil based on modern-day socio-economic, politico-religious circumstances, but it is nothing to pride ourselves on. It is not really indicative of human progress, indeed, perhaps quite the contrary if you think it through.
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