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G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« on: May 18th, 2020, 6:20pm »
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Here is a link to the last "G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics" thread, which at 25 pages, I have locked on up: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;a ction=display;num=1088054297;start=600.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #1 on: May 18th, 2020, 7:10pm »
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You know what the problem with hydroxychloroquine (+ zinc and, if in the early-to-mid stages of COVID-19 illness, azithromycin) is???
 
It dawned on me today as I listened to Neil Cavuto as well as Dagen McDowell pump Moderna stock due to their vaccine breakthrough BUT totally knock (the) hydroxychloroquine+ (COVID-19 treatment regimen) and try to poo-poo any doctor who would not go along with the poo-pooing full-throatedly.  Totally contrary to the TDS-prompted, initial, speculative reportage about Trump's having investments in hydroxychloroquine, the problem is as follows...
 
There is NO money in it for the fat cats and big pharma!!!
 
It is like the exact inverse of what we have been led to believe by the MSM (and, say, Juan Williams, whose opinion is obviously, merely political because if not, then he is just THAT totally ignorant on the matter, which is hard to believe).
 
Hydroxychloroquine is dirt cheap!  There is NO money in it!  Big pharma does not want to mass-produce it!  Investors see no incentive!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #2 on: May 21st, 2020, 4:15am »
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Seriously,... if you find yourself HATING a medicine because of politics ( "I HATE you, acetaminophen!"), you need to get your head checked and start consulting some different news sources!  It is worse yet if you think of yourself as moderate or apolitical in your views.  I mean that is the definition of a political pawn!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #3 on: May 30th, 2020, 6:12am »
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ONE of the root causes of what we are seeing transpire with these public displays of hatred, vengeance and anarchy is the TOTAL one-party rule of these inner cities.  Mind you, my point is not partisan, per se, though the one-party, deep-blue rule of these inner cities far exceeds, say even, Alabama-level red.  That said, the point here is that whenever ONE party is in such TOTAL control, they do not need to keep their promises because they know they got your vote.  When a party leader can truthfully say out loud about an inner-city district that her party could run a glass of water against the other party's candidate and win (look it up), that is an insult to the intelligence of the people of that district.  She is saying that they own your vote and they can do whatever they want!  The bottom line is that when there are two parties up and running robustly in an area, the people can play the parties... against each other.  But, when there is only one party running the show, the party plays the people... against each other!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #4 on: Jun 1st, 2020, 6:17am »
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I hear people wonder out loud, "Why loot and set fire to these businesses, moreover, that are largely black-owned/operated?  It makes no sense to destroy and burn down your own community."  (Of course, if the problem was just that, the solution is easy,... right?  Gulp...  That adjustment has already begun to be made, in fact.  But, I digress...)
 
Folks, start waking up, and smell the coffee!  An incident is just the spark.  The toxicity filling the air is ideological and opportunist.  It does not matter who the "business owner" is.  The problem is that there is a "business owner".  The targets of this toxic groupthink are capitalism, Americanism, Western civilization.
 
I fear that this is going to be news to most and that this question is not even going to register for some.  But, what did we think was going to happen when what the youth have been being inundated and indoctrinated with (at the expense of a good education, mind you) for at least the last quarter century in our colleges and universities and high schools and now even middle and elementary schools, public for sure and now even private, is anti-capitalism, anti-Americanism and anti-Western civilization???
 
My daughter's fifth-grade teacher is going for her Master's in education (so-called Schools of Education are the ultimate root cause of the downfall of education in America and a significant root cause of all this mayhem we are witnessing, but that is a different topic for a different day).  Mind you, what follows here is only anecdotal, but it is also just the tip of the iceberg...  When we went in to our daughter's school last week to pick up her belongings from her desk and locker, I asked the teacher about how her education classes have been going.  She exasperatingly said how unbelievable it was how anti-colonialism and the position that, and I quote, "Everything white is bad," pervaded the program.
 
Folks, we want less civil disobedience and more riots...  The recipe is simple...  Keep on romanticizing world history and globalism, glorifying socialism and communism, and promoting emotionalism and relativism in our schools and politicizing our classrooms while unrelentingly bashing capitalism, hypercriticizing America's history, eschewing objectivity and rationalism, and degrading white people!  Stated in more concrete terms, keep on teaching the amazing feat of the construction of the pyramids of Egypt while minimizing slavery in Egypt (see the lengths in theorization that "scholars" are willing to go to towards these ends,... "permanently consigned artisans" ) but emphasizing slavery in colonial and post-colonial North America while deemphasizing the American Civil War and not even mentioning the period of indentured servitude and, say, any of THIS (and that is from leftwing Snopes)!
 
Mind you, to do "critical history" is to play with fire and should not be the way history is primarily done,... warned the guy who coined the phrase, Nietzsche (look it up).
 
There is a fine line between the spirit of justice and the spirit of revenge!  What we are witnessing at the moment is NOT the spirit of justice.  You can go ahead and finish the disjunctive syllogism yourself...
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #5 on: Jun 2nd, 2020, 9:48pm »
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Outside of black antifa members and supporters like CNN's Don Lemon (citation), the refrain "black lives matter" is just used by antifa!  For them, racism, no less George Floyd, is NOT what this is about.  They have NO compunction about targeting and taking the lives of black men, Patrick Underwood, David Dorn: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/31/dave-patrick-underwood- named-black-fps-officer-kil/ and https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/2/david-dorn-retired-st-lo uis-police-captain-killed-/!!!  Oh, and no arrests.  Probably never will be...
 
Mind you, antifa are not that many in number (and most of them are wussies), so they wait for some tragic event like one of the nineteen unarmed white nine unarmed black men who were killed by police in America in 2019 (citation), like what tragically occurred last Memorial Day Monday, and then they use black people's anger, hijack their protest, and use black protestors to fight for antifa's anti-American, Marxist cause!
 
Communism is the end that justifies the means.  Racism is just a means to that end!
 


Then, on a different note, as if on queue (mind you, I posted the following before learning about the "professor" below), ...
 
on Jun 1st, 2020, 6:17am, Stegfucius wrote:
Stated in more concrete terms, keep on teaching the amazing feat of the construction of the pyramids of Egypt while minimizing slavery in Egypt (see the lengths in theorization that "scholars" are willing to go to towards these ends,... "permanently consigned artisans" )

... an "Egyptologist" of all things steps up nobly with calming words of... "wisdumb":
 

 
Check out this esteemed, "university professor's" Twitter account, which is otherwise filled with oversimplified, simpleminded, leftist pablum: https://twitter.com/indyfromspace.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #6 on: Jun 3rd, 2020, 10:47pm »
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"All lives matter," generally speaking an obvious truth even if banal, has nonetheless been deemed by Black Lives Matter to be racist.  I kind of get their point, which is that black lives matter, too, and so pointing out the obvious, general truth that all lives matter misses the point.  Fine (even if dismissing obvious, general truths is not such a good idea).  Then, the comeback is that "Blue lives matter."  Well, sure,... but that ain't workin'.  That just sets up a tit-for-tat us against them.
 
Is it not time for the BLM movement to take it to the next, fully forthright ethical level, indeed, not by dismissing the obvious, general truth that all lives matter but by combining it with the idea that black lives matter, and advocating for the position that "ALL black lives matter"???  #AllBlackLivesMatter
 
How can one make the "ALL Black Lives Matter" movement happen???  Well, try to incorporate in the movement's platform and protest signage and rhetoric some information and photos of these black people who have died trying to do good ...
 
on Jun 2nd, 2020, 9:48pm, Stegfucius wrote:
... the refrain "black lives matter" is just used by antifa!  For them, racism, no less George Floyd, is NOT what this is about.  They have NO compunction about targeting and taking the lives of black men, Patrick Underwood, David Dorn: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/31/dave-patrick-underwood- named-black-fps-officer-kil/ and https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/2/david-dorn-retired-st-lo uis-police-captain-killed-/!!!  Oh, and no arrests.  Probably never will be...

 
... OR, MOREOVER, these black people who have been dying en masse, which would be more indicative of "systemic or institutional racism", insofar as it exists, than the 10 unarmed black people whose lives ended at the hands of police in 2019 (this is the Memorial Day weekend leading into the Floyd incident) ...
 
At least 50 people were shot in Chicago over Memorial Day weekend. The next day, another 28 were shot, including a 5-year-old girl standing with her family.  TEN DEAD!
 
A little, FIVE-YEAR-OLD girl!  For God's sake, you want support for a movement that advocates for raising awareness about the (systematic/incessant) loss of black lives in America,... alongside George Floyd's and Amaud Arbery's faces and stories, get the faces and stories of this little girl and these TEN black people who lost their lives in Chicago over Memorial Day weekend as well as David Dorn's and Dave Patrick Underwood's out there!  Then, you have a wholistic movement that a whole country (and not just opportunistic,... Marxist antifa members, wealthy athletes and entertainers, and privileged academics, media pundits and politicians) can get behind!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #7 on: Jun 7th, 2020, 2:37am »
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What transpired between Greg Gutfeld and Juan Williams on "The Five" this past Thursday is a microcosm of the bad-faith discourse coming from the left and the all too commonplace capitulation to it on the right.  I cannot believe they did not correct the record, that Gutfeld did not demand it!  Williams either made a false statement intentionally (that is, lied and perhaps gaslighted Gutfeld) or unintentionally (that is awfully convenient) and filtered what Greg said through some racially hypersensitive kaleidoscope, that is to say, "heard what he wanted to hear", which with all (un)due respect really is symptomatic on the left because those on the authentic left only believe in subjective truth, my truth, your truth, her truth, whereas those authentically on the right believe in OBJECTIVE truth, that is, for all the highfalutin rhetoric around the idea, simply, truth independent of oneself (a resource).
 
The paradoxical irony is that is precisely why groupthink emerges on the left.  Forced thought through social engineering, re-education, bullying, etc., is the only way to get on the same page on the left because you do not have a notion of objectivity there to do it.  The left's appeal has to be made via the emotions because rationality demands an acknowledgment of objective truth and reality.  So, reason goes out the window, and emotionalism runs amok on the left.  Leftists have to convince you of their position by making you FEEL the way they feel instead of appeal to you intellectually.  That is why leftist rhetoric seems so mindless.  They just seek to make you angry and feel hurt like themselves presumably (that is, if they are not merely manipulating you).  Of course, as history tells us, this is not sustainable.  It self-destructs because the (objective) contradictions cannot be contained, but A LOT of damage to humanity is done both before and during the process.  We are seeing it unfold before us right now in America.  Some peoples have been living with it for generations like in China, where the slaughter of protesters at Tiananmen Square is still OFFICIALLY denied and censored (look it up), and so Uighur Muslims can be "re-educated" (look it up) and Falun Gong members can be persecuted (look it up - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong).  But, I digress.
 
ANYway, here is a link to that excerpt from "The Five"; in particular, you want to listen to Gutfeld starting at 5:49 and observe what happens, and then go back to what Williams said between 4:36 and 4:40: https://video.foxnews.com/v/6161759157001#sp=show-clips.
 
WTF, right?  What the hell was Gutfeld apologizing for???  It should have been the other way around!
 
Moving right along, the show continues on, and there is a segment wherein Lawrence Jones makes some excellent points about inner-city-friendly conservative and (small-government) libertarian policies.  My way of stating the case, inasmuch as there are racist institutions, systems and structures, surely among them are:
1) (failing) public schools,
2) (protectionist) police unions, and
3) (intractable) one-party governance.
 
So, in the face of that mess, what do conservatism and (small-government) libertarianism have to offer up?
1) School CHOICE: give the money to the PEOPLE instead of the school systems, which then find themselves caught in the burdensome regulatory net created by all the strings attached to those government funds.  Literally, per a dictionary, "free" does NOT mean "public"!  We have been sold a bad bill of goods,... which over time in great measure has been maintained to protect the teachers unions, the diminishment/elimination of which conservatives and libertarians are all for, and so there is a secondary, residual benefit.  Kill two birds with one stone!
2) Support for police-union reform if not abolition.  Unionism is ultimately at philosophical odds with conservatism and libertarianism.  Unions are a liberal, leftist thing.
3) Simply stated, just the very presence of another functioning political party means the people have AN ALTERNATIVE.  As I addressed in a post above, with two functioning parties, inner-city folks can get the benefit of having two parties fight for their votes and hold each other to account.  That is how it is supposed to work.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #8 on: Jun 9th, 2020, 2:57pm »
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on Jun 7th, 2020, 2:37am, Stegfucius wrote:
It self-destructs because the (objective) contradictions cannot be contained, but A LOT of damage to humanity is done both before and during the process.  We are seeing it unfold before us right now in America.  Some peoples have been living with it for generations like in China, where the slaughter of protesters at Tiananmen Square is still OFFICIALLY denied and censored (look it up), and so Uighur Muslims can be "re-educated" (look it up) and Falun Gong members can be persecuted (look it up).

 
Hong Kong is having the American Revolution.  America is having the Cultural Revolution.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #9 on: Jun 12th, 2020, 6:58pm »
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on Jun 9th, 2020, 2:57pm, Stegfucius wrote:
Hong Kong is having the American Revolution.  America is having the Cultural Revolution.

 
Pictures, indeed, speak a thousand words...
 
Hong Kong Protests vs. American Protests
 
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I don’t talk in here that much but I will say this: Trump has and continues to fail this country on the pandemic. He has told so many lies about that and so many other things, we can’t count them all. Also he has built absolutely ZERO feet of his New wall. This man clearly cannot lead us through a serious crisis. The proof is evident in us leading the globe with 25% of cases and deaths, with no end in sight. He is still leaving it up to the states, what a fool. He cares more about the economy than American lives. Peeps from his own party and former staff have said similar things. Republicans are jumping ship by the millions. The even created a Republicans Voters against Trump group. We will see what November brings. At least he is not sleeping in the bunker anymore. I guess 2 nights was enough for him to feel better/ safe.
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on Jun 17th, 2020, 1:44pm, DOLFAN wrote:
I don’t talk in here that much but I will say this: Trump has and continues to fail this country on the pandemic. He has told so many lies about that and so many other things, we can’t count them all. Also he has built absolutely ZERO feet of his New wall. This man clearly cannot lead us through a serious crisis. The proof is evident in us leading the globe with 25% of cases and deaths, with no end in sight. He is still leaving it up to the states, what a fool. He cares more about the economy than American lives. Peeps from his own party and former staff have said similar things. Republicans are jumping ship by the millions. The even created a Republicans Voters against Trump group. We will see what November brings. At least he is not sleeping in the bunker anymore. I guess 2 nights was enough for him to feel better/ safe.

 
So, in other words, in relation to the points made on this thread heretofore, this guy (whose opinion obviously does not exhibit MSM-implanted TDS ) supports this vision for our country: American Protests.
 
Mind you, I have not really even talked partisan politics on this thread!  Seriously, do a search on this page for the words "Democrat", "Republican" or "Trump"!  There is more of that in this guy's one post here than in ALL of mine combined!
 
ANYway, thanks for the dank (and proofread) analysis!  That was heavy, brah, and persuasive...
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on Jun 1st, 2020, 6:17am, Stegfucius wrote:
There is a fine line between the spirit of justice and the spirit of revenge!  What we are witnessing at the moment is NOT the spirit of justice.  You can go ahead and finish the disjunctive syllogism yourself...

 
The logical vulnerability of the happy-sounding ideal of "social justice" (I mean, who could be against "social justice"?  Therein lies the rub.)...
 
<- First, indoctrinates, agitates and "leads"...
 
Taking advantage of a legitimately... or illegitimately begotten spirit of revenge, tyrants do not seize power touting peace, love and compassion for all, civility, law and order but instead righteousness and hatred for some, equality and justice... for "the people"!  (Sound familiar?)
 
Indeed, 'tis social justice, that maniacal combination of equality, justice, righteousness... and hatred, that tyrants come riding in on the banner of!
<- Then, "follows" the indoctrinated, agitated minions into power...
 
I DIGRESS...
    A favorite quote of mine...
     
    "All revolutions, beginning with the one in France in 1789, have promised equality, justice, and fraternity for all, but have mobilized popular energies by creating an atmosphere of hatred, by inflaming popular resentments.  Somehow the leaders of these revolutions expected that hatred passing through the crucible of revolution could be transmuted into universal love.  But in fact the hatred that mobilized them emerged as a concentrated hatred of the masses and of humanity after the revolution.  ...  History has proven that to expect love to emerge from hate is either absurd or insane."
     
    - "Introduction" in Toward a Philosophy of Praxis, pg. 8
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 23rd, 2020, 8:25am »
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on Jun 17th, 2020, 1:44pm, DOLFAN wrote:
Trump ... has told so many lies about that and so many other things, we can't count them all.

 
President Trump lies according to whom...???  Oh, the MSM,... the far-and-away, BIGGEST of all liars and deceivers!!!  Well, President Trump surely has not been lying when as early as 2017 he portended that soon the left: communists, Marxists, antifa, anarchists, BLM, etc. would be coming for the likes of Jefferson and Washington:
 
https://www.newsweek.com/george-washington-statue-portland-toppled-cover ed-burning-us-flag-1512075;
 
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/de-blasio-wife-chirlane-mccray-t asked-with-deciding-fate-of-washington-and-jefferson-statues-in-nyc.
 
And, as we know, it is all downstream from there.  Forget about the Confederates...  EVERYTHING gets sucked into the vortex of IGNORANCE!  Good "riddance", Ulysses S. Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, WWII Memorials, Francis Scott Key, Christopher Columbus, and then in a real show of ignorance, ABRAHAM LINCOLN (and I am not even talking about the statue in Boston of questionable taste -- they had already spray-painted around the Lincoln Memorial), a Civil War Memorial to BLACK soldiers, and Mattias Baldwin, an ABOLITIONIST!  I know... some of you may say that (some of) that was done by far-right anarchist infiltrators such as the Boogaloos (who are not good actors, either, mind you, and very ideologized).  But, did anybody try to stop them???  If not, then at least the incessant protesting is just providing them cover.  Maybe, just maybe, enough is enough.  Or, maybe, just maybe, they do not really mind the destruction!  Maybe they are providing each other cover.
 
Have we already forgotten about Jussie Smollett and the exposure of CORRUPTION in the media and the government that followed???  Just like I said above, that is what you get with chronic, one-party rule and, worse yet, a MSM fawning over that one party.  The party plays the people...
 
on May 30th, 2020, 6:12am, Stegfucius wrote:
The bottom line is that when there are two parties up and running robustly in an area, the people can play the parties... against each other.  But, when there is only one party running the show, the party plays the people... against each other!

 
With that said, in other "yeah,... but" news...
 
What happened to NASCAR's Bubba Wallace was indubitably scummy.  However, with all due respect, his strongly aligning with and promoting BLM exhibits questionable judgment.
 
In an effort to advance the #AllBlackLivesMatter movement, yet another bloody weekend in inner-city Chicago and Baltimore (oh, and CHOP) takes several black lives, among them TWO THREE-year-olds: Mekhi James and Shaniya Gilmore.  REALLY!?!?  They are babies, dammit!  Could BLM not at least put a little memoriam to them somewhere on their website?  ...  Oh, yeah,... but...
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Trajectories can change, but the trajectory this "movement" is going in is one not of the Founding, the Constitution and reformation but reconstitution and re-formation à la the transformation we once heard spoken of,... a "morally righteous" refounding acceptable to the mob and not in the image of a bunch of old, white, slave-owning bigots.  If left unchecked, it is just a matter of time, perhaps one year (if Biden wins), perhaps five or ten, but it will come to fruition, and the Marxists, communists and leftists in academia and education are arguably the architects of it.  Indeed, because the roots of this cultural revolution lie in the schools, it runs deep and will not be easy to uproot.  So, that trajectory is going to be difficult to alter, and impossible if disigenuousness, tendentiousness and deception are subtly and unwittingly -- or not so subtly and not so unwittingly -- perpetrated by MAINSTREAM figures evidently prone to misperceptions...
 
on Jun 23rd, 2020, 8:25am, Stegfucius wrote:
Have we already forgotten about Jussie Smollett and the exposure of CORRUPTION in the media and the government that followed???
 
What happened to NASCAR's Bubba Wallace was indubitably scummy.  However, with all due respect, his strongly aligning with and promoting BLM exhibits questionable judgment.


 
Turns out that was BS: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article2437 46852.html!
 
"Do not Blame Bubba," though, they tell us: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/article24375 4972.html!
 
Indeed, the findings of a 15-agent FBI investigation notwithstanding, Bubba, like Jussie, is sticking to his story and calling skeptics "simpleminded",... you know,... for the sake of unifying the country, of course.
 
UPDATE: So, that was last night on CNN with Don Lemón.  Now, advisably, Bubba is retracting.  Whatever,... too late, too staged from beginning to end.  He is discredited.
 
on Jun 7th, 2020, 2:37am, Stegfucius wrote:
What transpired between Greg Gutfeld and Juan Williams on "The Five" this past Thursday is a microcosm of the bad-faith discourse coming from the left and the all too commonplace capitulation to it on the right.  I cannot believe they did not correct the record, that Gutfeld did not demand it!  Williams either made a false statement intentionally (that is, lied and perhaps gaslighted Gutfeld) or unintentionally (that is awfully convenient) and filtered what Greg said through some racially hypersensitive kaleidoscope, that is to say, "heard what he wanted to hear".  ...
 
ANYway, here is a link to that excerpt from "The Five"; in particular, you want to listen to Gutfeld starting at 5:49 and observe what happens, and then go back to what Williams said between 4:36 and 4:40: https://video.foxnews.com/v/6161759157001#sp=show-clips.
 
WTF, right?  What the hell was Gutfeld apologizing for???  It should have been the other way around!

 
And, here we go with Juan again...  Start at 28:53 in...  Listen to Watters's commentary and then how Juan Williams hears and/or twists it:
 
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6166488886001#sp=show-clips
 
What the hell is wrong with this guy!?!?
 
In any case, what makes this all so insidious is that there is SO MUCH that you cannot keep up with it all, and so falsehoods persist!  It is a sinister combination: Gish gallop gaslighting!  That, my friends, is a strategy!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #15 on: Jun 30th, 2020, 2:38pm »
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Congrats all Americans, now we can&#8217;t go to the EU. We are banned due to the way, or lack there of, this administration has handled the pandemic. Oops, that&#8217;s right, they/he says we have it under control. Don&#8217;t worry fellow Americans it will be gone by Easter.  
 
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #16 on: Jun 30th, 2020, 7:53pm »
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on Jun 30th, 2020, 2:38pm, DOLFAN wrote:
Congrats all Americans, now we can&#8217;t go to the EU. We are banned due to the way, or lack there of, this administration has handled the pandemic. Oops, that&#8217;s right, they/he says we have it under control. Don&#8217;t worry fellow Americans it will be gone by Easter.  
 
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #17 on: Jun 30th, 2020, 8:30pm »
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Generally speaking, yeah, America's founders largely were slave owners, but they had the foresight to craft a constitution and lay the foundation for a nation to abolish it!
 
They could not just do it on the spot.  It had been legally institutionalized (most notably, as more than a punitive life sentence via the Anthony Johnson case).
 
It would be like if without any legal proceedings we just on the spot, all of a sudden made abortion illegal.  No way, right???
 
Meanwhile, abortion could very well in 100, 200, 300, 400 years be looked back at as a grave evil like we are looking back at slavery right now (especially given how many black lives it has taken and how disproportionately so).
To hell with history and logic, thoughtfulness and measured analysis, careful consideration and civil dialogue...  "Viva la revolución"... because TDS and a college education are just that bad.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #18 on: Jul 2nd, 2020, 12:29am »
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on Jun 30th, 2020, 8:30pm, Stegfucius wrote:
Generally speaking, yeah, America's founders largely were slave owners, but they had the foresight to craft a constitution and lay the foundation for a nation to abolish it!
 
They could not just do it on the spot.  It had been legally institutionalized (most notably, as more than a punitive life sentence via the Anthony Johnson case).
 
 

Just cause Its history.
So, they can topple a king, trash the articles of confederation,  form a federal government, coin money, guarantee freedoms(for white males), form a national bank, annex louisiana, fight wars, put down rebellions, create laws, write a docturine, tax, yet can not end slavery?   They could of done it, but they didn't want to do it.  Many states had actually banned slavery, but the southern states would of left the convention or confederation if it was banned.    They did put section 9 of article 1 in, to possibly end slavery in the future, however, they chose to punt the issue in order to form a government. .   They didn't even consider slaves as a whole person, slaves were 3/5ths of a person the constitution population count.  The compromise actually gave the south a huge population boost.   (12 of first 16 presidents were southern)    
 
And then you have the fugitive slave laws that were passed.    The bottom line is this, the south wanted slavery.    The north didn't care enough and prioritized the government over the cause of slavery.  However, the characterization that they couldn't of changed the laws is misrepresentation of the facts, especially since it was a debated topic.   Most northerners naively thought it wasn't worth the fight and it would die out.......but the then the cotton gin came along and the number of slaves increased dramatically.     And southerners wouldn't have agreed to form a country if it was prohibited.        
 
in my opinion, I would not consider the founding fathers  patriots around the topic of slavery....... Not even close.
 
I don't understand your point about the first slave being an indentured servant.     The first slave in that article was an indentured servant from 1622.   By the mid 1600s, indentured servitude lost favor and the states had passed laws that permitted slaves from Africa. It was much more profitable  than indentured servants.    So I am confused how an indentured servant/ slave from 1620 ties to our founding fathers, unless your saying it was legal to own slaves.   But if that is the case, they were forming a new government, so they could of changed the laws.  And as referenced above, some states had laws against slavery at the time of the writing of both the articles of confederation and constitution.    
 
I am not even going to discuss abortion, tds, or other comments made.   
 
 
**I use the term northerners and southerners as a  generalization of states popular opinion.   Of course there were exceptions.
 
 
 
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #19 on: Jul 2nd, 2020, 9:22pm »
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on Jul 2nd, 2020, 12:29am, DirkDiggler wrote:
So, they can topple a king, trash the articles of confederation,  form a federal government, coin money, guarantee freedoms(for white males), form a national bank, annex Louisiana, fight wars, put down rebellions, create laws, write a doctrine, tax, yet can not end slavery?  They could of done it, but they didn't want to do it.  Many states had actually banned slavery, but the southern states would of left the convention or confederation if it was banned. ...
 
(12 of first 16 presidents were southern) ...
 
And then you have the fugitive slave laws that were passed.    The bottom line is this, the south wanted slavery.    The north didn't care enough and prioritized the government over the cause of slavery.  However, the characterization that they couldn't of changed the laws is misrepresentation of the facts, especially since it was a debated topic.   Most northerners naively thought it wasn't worth the fight and it would die out.......but the then the cotton gin came along and the number of slaves increased dramatically.     And southerners wouldn't have agreed to form a country if it was prohibited.

 
on Jun 30th, 2020, 8:30pm, Stegfucius wrote:
Generally speaking, yeah, America's founders largely were slave owners ...
 
They could not just ... [end slavery] on the spot.  It had been legally institutionalized...

 
What I meant there was that it was a deeply ensconced economic institution with the power of law behind it.  REGRETFULLY, besides all the factors you mentioned at the Convention, but unlike all of the examples you gave at the very beginning of your spiel of what they did do, ending slavery -- AGAIN REGRETTABLY -- would be more legally analogous to confiscating someone's land (which in and of itself, as the strategic historical rollback of Marxist critical theory tells us, is a can of worms that you could also open).
 
But, anyway, I appreciate your taking the time to further describe the context.  Interpretations can go either way.  I take what you have shared as bolstering my position.
 


on Jul 2nd, 2020, 12:29am, DirkDiggler wrote:
They did put section 9 of article 1 in, to possibly end slavery in the future, however, they chose to punt the issue in order to form a government.

 
on Jun 30th, 2020, 8:30pm, Stegfucius wrote:
... but they had the foresight to craft a constitution and lay the foundation for a nation to abolish it!

 
You are making my point, brother!
 


on Jul 2nd, 2020, 12:29am, DirkDiggler wrote:
They didn't even consider slaves as a whole person, slaves were 3/5ths of a person the constitution population count.  The compromise actually gave the south a huge population boost.

 
If slavery was going to stand, are you suggesting they should have been counted as less?  ANYway, they were counted that way for the purpose of representation.  If they were counted as more, the South's tax burden would have increased but so also its representation in Congress.
 


on Jul 2nd, 2020, 12:29am, DirkDiggler wrote:
in my opinion, I would not consider the founding fathers patriots around the topic of slavery... Not even close.

 
Orwellian doublespeak!
 


on Jul 2nd, 2020, 12:29am, DirkDiggler wrote:
I don't understand your point about the first slave being an indentured servant.  The first slave in that article was an indentured servant from 1622.  By the mid 1600s, indentured servitude lost favor and the states had passed laws that permitted slaves from Africa.  It was much more profitable than indentured servants.  So I am confused how an indentured servant/slave from 1620 ties to our founding fathers, unless your saying it was legal to own slaves.  But if that is the case, they were forming a new government, so they could of changed the laws.  And as referenced above, some states had laws against slavery at the time of the writing of both the articles of confederation and constitution.

 
You went totally off point here because you totally do not know what you are talking about, that is, what you are speaking to.  You are unaware of what is being referenced.
 
on Jun 30th, 2020, 8:30pm, Stegfucius wrote:
... (most notably, as more than a punitive life sentence via the Anthony Johnson case).

 


on Jul 2nd, 2020, 12:29am, DirkDiggler wrote:
I am not even going to discuss abortion, tds, or other comments made.

 
In fact, abortion is much less ensconced, economically and legally, than slavery had been.  My point still stands...
 
on Jun 30th, 2020, 8:30pm, Stegfucius wrote:
It would be like if without any legal proceedings we just on the spot, all of a sudden made abortion illegal.  No way, right???
 
Meanwhile, abortion could very well in 100, 200, 300, 400 years be looked back at as a grave evil like we are looking back at slavery right now (especially given how many black lives it has taken and how disproportionately so).

 
That is a totally possible outcome given how it was decided and how intensely it is debated, like as you even pointed out slavery was during the founding.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #20 on: Jul 3rd, 2020, 7:31am »
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It is just a Gish-gallop of gaslighting garbage from this guy...  I just went to Dr. DD, M.D.'s post to find this unhinged gem, which, mind you, is just the tip of the iceberg of this "conversation":
 
on Apr 17th, 2020, 6:20pm, DirkDiggler wrote:
I just hope that the fox viewers don't go taking the miracle cure they have been touting as more and more SCIENCE is saying it is the wrong thing to take.

 
CNN: Study finds hydroxychloroquine helped coronavirus patients survive better  
 
Friendly fire...  Ouch!
 

 
But, seriously, we are hitting some significant speed bumps in the comeback effort, and we need whatever ammunition we can get our hands on to combat this thing.
 
...
 
Mind yous, I was just looking for that excerpt quoted above, but in the same damn post, I rediscover this beaut:
 
on Apr 17th, 2020, 6:20pm, DirkDiggler wrote:
And it is funny how it is ok for fox to use clips from other news organizations, but heaven forbid a msm use a fox clip where they declared repeatedly this virus was a hoax.  (Which I actually found quite funny)
 
 
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/fox-news-meets-feisty-judge-af ter-network-called-virus-a-hoax
Mind you, this is a somewhat moderate piece, probably not the kind of off-the-charts, hysterical, circular reporting of the legacy MSM that inspired the sentiments above.
 
Now, the hypocritical reality that went tendentiously unmentioned...
 
https://objectivejournal.wixsite.com/objectivejournalist/post/democrats- downplayed-coronavirus;
 
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/flashback-media-downplayed-coronaviru s-called-it-less-serious-than-flu/;
 
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/24/hypocritical-media-downplays-wuhan- virus-for-weeks-then-critiques-fox-news-for-shifting-rhetoric/, and ...
 
..., frankly speaking, the best, comprehensive overview...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-ho use-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well.
 

 
Sifting through this crap is monotonous and tiresome...
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #21 on: Jul 3rd, 2020, 7:35am »
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Ugh...  After deciphering nonsense, I just need to post something cathartic...
 
This Guy vs. This Guy
 
I know with whom I stand!!!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #22 on: Jul 5th, 2020, 8:48pm »
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Just in case you missed my Independence Day, 4th of July message this year and want to check it out:
 
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;a ction=display;num=1120544976.
 
I would like to add that on the 4th I binge-watched much of the History Channel's miniseries "Washington".  It is what should be shown in schools!
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 6th, 2020, 8:30pm »
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Ugh...  I just heard thisagain... from the mouth of a Johns Hopkins University "professor", mind you!!!  It would be laughable if it were not so sinister... and painfully stupid!  The rhetorical move of the leftist liberal of countering the legitimate concern for black-on-black murder by pointing out that white-on-white murder is the same, that is, the liberal leftist claim that just as a black person is more likely to be murdered by another black person, a white person is more likely to be murdered by another white person, is a red herring of diabolically epic proportions insofar as it turns our attention away from a real-world problem!
 
     One, the point contradicts their very narrative of pervasive, systemic racism.
 
     Two, DEGREE matters!  The murder rates are incomparable, and to suggest otherwise is maniacal.
 
     Three, it is a single, cherry-picked data point, cited in support of an oversimplified "analysis"!
 
I mean this past weekend SIX black CHILDREN were killed (you choose your media poison):
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fourth-of-july-weekend-shootings / https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/us/children-killed-holiday-weekend/index. html.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #24 on: Jul 12th, 2020, 5:54am »
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There were as many black children, needless to say unarmed, murdered last weekend as there were unarmed black people by the police last year.
 
The level of misdirection to which we are subjected is a manifestation of political power...
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