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Title: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 25th, 2003, 2:32pm
the Bleachers
If you want to chat about anything under the sun besides football and without its having to be intertwined in a football-related conversation, such as other sports, baby announcements (eh-hem), cooking, pets, politics, economics, religion, philosophy, sex, chicks, books, whatever, etc., etc., as long as it is not covered by one of our other "thematic" threads like birthdays or news-makers, this "STICKY THREAD" is for you!  Enjoy!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 25th, 2003, 2:48pm
Okay, a couple notes here first...

1. Why did I start this thread?  Because, well, frankly speaking I, the admin, really wanted to talk about something unrelated to football and, especially because of its timely and general nature, did not want to have to weave it into a football-related thread.  I do not think that would really have been possible, as you will see below.  I have to admit to you, though, that my need to do this is due to my lack of human contact at this juncture in my life.  If I had a proverbial "water-cooler" to go to, I probably would not have needed this outlet.  Anyway...

2. Why is it called "the Bleachers" and not "the Cheap Seats", which had been suggested by one of our esteemed members on the "Offseason on 'the Gridiron'" thread?  That is because, with all due respect to the member that came up with that, if you really think about it, "the Cheap Seats" really does not fit the categories of the boards on "the Gridiron", at least not even close to how well "the Bleachers" fits.  If this forum were called "the Stadium", the board breakdowns could then be something like "the Luxury Box", "the Box Seats", "under the Ledge", "the Second Tier", "the Cheap Seats", "the Nose-bleeds", etc., etc.!  WOW!  I must digress.  Where else would you find a forum admin with enough confidence to permit a cool idea for another FF forum to be described so openly like that, no less give the idea himself?  Nowhere fuckin' else is the answer!  Just remember to give me my due if you do take the idea and strike out on your own.  Anyway, the point being, "the Red Zone", "between the 20's", "the Sidelines"... and then "the Bleachers", logicially, just makes more sense and fits the context better.

3. Given the implication of what I state above, "the Bleachers" sticky thread gives you guys somewhat of an opportunity to show me the value of having a "free-for-all" board, which I am still disinclined to add.  So, is this a bit of a test of sorts?  I suppose yes!  It could be looked upon as the first step in a process that could lead to "the Bleachers'" becoming the "open-discussion" board of "the Gridiron"!  Ultimately, though, right now and for the foreseeable future, it is what it is and nothing else!

Well, let's get this sucker moving...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 25th, 2003, 3:27pm
Well, what I wanted to bring up...

Yesterday was one of those GREAT sports days for me (outside of football)!  I am basically a fan of the other three major professional-sports leagues... the MLB, NBA and NHL, and I WON BIG yesterday (remember I am not a gambler, so this does not mean money)!  All three of MY teams in each of the respective leagues WON while all three of my MOST-HATED teams LOST!  Fuckin' awesome! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] And, two of those losers' losses came in dramatic fashion, keeping me up until like 2:30 in the morning last night.

- MY New Jersey Devils [smiley=evil.gif] smacked the Lightning!
- MY Boston Celtics [smiley=stpat.gif] whacked the Pacers!
- And, MY Montreal Expos [smiley=threed.gif] (I know that is a weird one, but I never really had a baseball team that I was smitten with until I learned of their story, i.e. their storied history as being the MLB's GREATEST farm team... farm system, back during the strike season when they were probably cheated out of a championship... run at least, and I fell hard and deeply in love [smiley=smitten.gif] ) reduced the Diamondbacks to broken goose-eggs!
Between MY Devils and MY Expos, we gave up "0" points yesterday! [smiley=havinablast.gif]

ON TOP OF THAT...
- The cheeseball L.A. Lakers [smiley=swollenhead.gif] got their bell rung and got humiliated by the Minnesota Timberwolves in a home-court game where the officials were trying their asses off to GIVE the La-la-land Lakers the win [smiley=nono.gif] and, instead, gave them a demoralizing loss; making it all more poignant, you should have heard those whiny, fair-weather La-la-land fans of theirs. [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]
- The wanna-be Dallas Stars [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] , who should still rightfully be the Minnesota "Northstars", up where they live and breath hockey and with a cool name, not just the Stars, which is the proper name for a tee-ball team of 5- and 6-year-olds, blew their Game 1 against the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, another suspicious game in which the officials handed the Stars a huge call discounting the Ducks first overtime goal [smiley=nono.gif] , the ultimate result of which, though, will probably be the demoralization of the Stars in the process.
- Papa Steinbuyers' [smiley=dick.bmp] (tell me that wasn't an awesome usage of "what a dickhead" [smiley=yes.gif] ) spendthrift and media-hungry New York Yankees [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] took one on the chin at the hand of the Anaheim Angels.

The sychronicity of it all is SO great.  The Minnesotans got their around-about paybacks while the Californians, who I have nothing against, actually, still got to enjoy a night of overall victory.

AWESOME DAY OF SPORTS! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[smiley=havinablast.gif] Go DEVILS!  Go Celtics!  Go Expos! [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on Apr 25th, 2003, 7:37pm
Yes, the Lakers lost. [smiley=yes.gif]
Yes, the Lakers played like crap and deserved to lose. [smiley=yes.gif]
Yes, the referees were terrible and blew a TON of calls. [smiley=yes.gif]
Yes, the Lakers were pathetic. [smiley=yes.gif]

But...

The Lakers are still the Back to Back to Back World Champions and the Boston Celtics have abosolutly ZERO chance of winning it all.  ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 25th, 2003, 9:25pm

on 04/25/03 at 19:37:45, Walker Boh wrote:
Yes, the Lakers lost. [smiley=yes.gif]
Yes, the Lakers played like crap and deserved to lose. [smiley=yes.gif]
Yes, the referees were terrible and blew a TON of calls. [smiley=yes.gif]
Yes, the Lakers were pathetic. [smiley=yes.gif]

But...

The Lakers are still the Back to Back to Back World Champions and the Boston Celtics have abosolutly ZERO chance of winning it all.  ;D


[smiley=tonguin.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on Apr 25th, 2003, 10:14pm
Always liked you Steg but now I find out your really a   [smiley=dick.bmp] Devils fan! Go Flyers!!!

Anyway, I think I have a great topic for the new bleachers section ::: Hot Wing Recipes
I'm looking for anyone who has a good hot wing sauce recipe! The hotter the better!! [smiley=demon.gif]. I hope this is the kind of studd that belongs in the Bleachers!!! [smiley=alcoholic.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 25th, 2003, 11:35pm
The amazing thing about the LA vs. Minny game is that the Minnesota played basically the entire OT period with out, in my opinion this year's MVP, Kevin Garnett.

You can't say that the refs were purposely giving bad calls in favor to the T-Wolves, because towards the end of the game, Kobe had a drive to the bucket and was blatantly fouled but there was a no call.

NBA has always been my favorite sport to both play and watch, even though the NFL is alot more fun to watch. Though, I can't really say I have a favorite NBA team considering that my favorite team has been totally dismantled... The Sonics of the 90s were my team, with phenom Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Gary Payton, Xavier McDaniel, Nate McMillan, though, absolutely no one remains from that team, therefore my lack of a favorite team.

Though, the teams I've been rooting for would have to be Phoenix, Golden State, and the Los Angeles Clippers, Phoenix is playing great, Golden State will be a playoff-calibre team next year, and well... the Clippers will still be the Bengals of the NBA.

I have litte interest in hockey, although I'm a  Devils fan.

And even less interest in MLB, though I root for the Seattle Mariners.  :-/

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on Apr 26th, 2003, 10:47am
Personally, I am not much of a baseball or NBA fan anymore. In the 80's and early 90's before I kind of lost some interest, I like the Mets (Mookie Wilson was and still is the MAN!!! [smiley=pimpin.gif]) and I like the Bulls (How could you not like Jordan!, even though John Paxson was always my favorite!) Now I follow all the Philadelphia (local) teams! Hockey and football are my sports....GO FLYERS!!!!! ......... GO EAGLES!!!

P.S. Quick message for all Devils fans .. [smiley=flipa.gif]
[smiley=LMFAO.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:24pm

on 04/26/03 at 10:47:22, PA Outlaws wrote:
....GO FLYERS!!!!! ......... GO EAGLES!!!

P.S. Quick message for all Devils fans .. [smiley=flipa.gif]
[smiley=LMFAO.gif]


[smiley=lickmyass.gif]
[smiley=evil.gif]

"Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh) "Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh)
"Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh) "Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh)
"Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Cel--tics------and-Ex-pos)

And, this ultimately is a football forum.  So, let's never forget my Donkeys! [smiley=Elway.gif]

God, I am more committed to my sports teams than my wife! [smiley=hooters.gif][smiley=proudAmerican.gif][smiley=titflash.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Apr 27th, 2003, 2:09am
I'm proud to say that I'm a four-for-four fan...  Yes, I cheer all four local teams in the four major sports.

Philadelphia Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, and Sixers (in that order).

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 27th, 2003, 8:12am

on 04/27/03 at 02:09:53, Philly wrote:
I'm proud to say that I'm a four-for-four fan...  Yes, I cheer all four local teams in the four major sports.

Philadelphia Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, and Sixers (in that order).


I too am a 4 for 4 fan!!  Same teams!!  




Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 11:02am

on 04/27/03 at 02:09:53, Philly wrote:
I'm proud to say that I'm a four-for-four fan...  Yes, I cheer all four local teams in the four major sports.

Philadelphia Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, and Sixers (in that order).


Georgraphy by chance, principle/"reason" by choice! [smiley=tonguin.gif]

...

And, by the way, anybody on PA's hot-wing sauce recipe that he needs?  I am at a loss on that request!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Apr 27th, 2003, 12:50pm

Quote:
And, by the way, anybody on PA's hot-wing sauce recipe that he needs?  I am at a loss on that request!


I must confess, I never make my own - always order out.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on Apr 27th, 2003, 1:47pm

on 04/27/03 at 02:09:53, Philly wrote:
I'm proud to say that I'm a four-for-four fan...  Yes, I cheer all four local teams in the four major sports.
Philadelphia Eagles, Flyers, Phillies, and Sixers (in that order).

This is really cool [smiley=yes.gif], but it's not something you can control [smiley=no.gif]. Favorite teams come about in so many different ways. Here's my story:

I was born in CT and my Dad and Grandpa were HUGE Yankee fans, therefore I was "raised" as a Yankee fan. Then we moved to CA where my old man had season tickets for the Angels. I grew up watching guys like Brian Downing, Freddy Lynn, Bob Boone and Reggie Jackson, so naturally, I'm a huge Halo fan. [smiley=angel.gif]

Baseball = Angels (geography) & Yankees (family)

When I was about 10 or so, we moved to CO and I started watching football and this young QB named John Elway. [smiley=Elway.gif] I got to meet John at a Broncos' practice and that was it. 18 years and 5 Super Bowls later, I'm still a diehard fan.

[smiley=footballsmiley.gif] = Broncos (geography)

Now Basketball gets a bit hairy... As a child, my father was (and still is) a HUGE Celtics fan and my Mom rooted for the Lakers (seeing as she has absolutely no interest in sports now, I think she was just doing it to piss my Dad off! [smiley=laugh.gif]) so I could have gone either way. For some reason, I found myself rooting for the Celtics and it stayed that way until we moved to CO and I went to a Denver Nuggets basketball camp. It was one week long and I got to meet guys like Alex English, T.R. Dunn, Calvin Natt and Fat Lever (remember Blair Rasmussen, I do [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]). I didn't stand a chance... my new team became the Nuggets. When I was about 14 or so, we moved back to CA, and for years I was hounded by all the Laker fans. I just couldn't bring myself to root for guys like Magic, Kareem and Worthy, my Celtic roots just wouldn't allow it (for some crazy reason I liked Kurt Rambis, I think it was the glasses. [smiley=LMFAO.gif]) That all changed when Shaq and Kobe came to town... All the old guys were leaving and after a few years of watching them play all the time I found myself rooting for them.

Basketball = Lakers (geography & friends), Celtics (family) and Nuggets (geography)

I was never a big hockey fan and a few years ago, I figured out why. I always had a hard time following the puck and I didn't really understand the rules (for some reason, "Offsides" and the "Two Line Pass"  just didn't click in my head [smiley=doh.gif]). Then, I went to see my first game at the Pond in Anaheim and gained a whole new respect for it. It was much easier to follow the puck and it was awesome to actully watch the plays develop. (TV typically follows the puck and you don't see a lot of things until the last second). Instead of "seeing" the hits, I "felt" them and since that day, I've been rooting for the Ducks. I also like the Kings, but that has slowly changed since the loss of Robitaille, Blake and of course, "the Great One". IMO, Hockey and Baseball are better "LIVE", but Basketball and Football are best enjoyed sitting on the couch.

Hockey = Ducks (geography) and Kings (geography)

There are endless possibilities to finding a favorite team, but I think the two biggest factors are geography and family/friends. As long as your loyal, you're cool in my book. It's those "bandwaggoners" or "frontrunners" that get under my skin. [smiley=fumin.gif] For example, one of my friends roots for Dallas, Sacramento and San Antonio simply because they have the best chance of beating the Lakers... Now that's what I call pathetic. [smiley=annoyed.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 3:44pm
In specific response to Walker's post...

First off, in hockey, I still don't really "get" offsides, two-line passes or, for that matter, icing, and I have been to my share of hockey games... went to one of the bigger hockey schools in the nation, the University of Denver.  Don't worry about explaining this stuff here, though, fellas, at least not for/to me!  As I see it, it is something that is on a "need-to-know" basis and I don't need to know, and getting into it here is going to get VERY convoluted.

Secondly, I agree with your last paragraph, Walker, wholeheartedly.  "Bandwagoners" SUCK! [smiley=gettinridden.gif] Bunch of [smiley=dick.bmp]'s... [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

However, lastly, your whole thing about how die-hard fans "choose," or should I say "do not have a choice in," what their favorite teams are, I really question.  Don't get me wrong!  I think you are right.  I too think that is how (too) many people choose their favorite sports teams.  Actually, that is the way (too) many people make (almost) all of their "choices" ([smiley=hmmmm.gif]) in life.  Moving right along, you point out three categories:  family, geography, and friends.  First of all, what is not covered by that?  That is a pretty broad (but valid, as I mentioned above) spectrum.  Moreover, though, my issue is one of logic.  All of those three factors to which you mention (people "come about" having their favorite teams and based upon which I would say people make even greater life decisions) are very subjective as opposed to objective, impulsive or conditioned vis-a-vis "chosen" by way of individual creative thought/reason/free-will and, ultimately, chance and not choice.  I am going to leave it at that for now.  You guys are going to get to know me down through the years here (hopefully), and I, you all.  You will learn about me, though, that that is how I live life... all the time, which includes here on "the Gridiron".  I want my decisions... my life to be about something "inside" me that I see, understand or have "reasoned" through (by way of my free-will if you will ;) ) and not just only about what happens to be around me, my surroundings, circumstances or other external influences.  We/I could go on forever here philosophically.  Just try to think through whence I am coming before, perhaps, jumping down my throat! [smiley=nervous.gif] ;)

Oh brother! ::) That was heavy, huh?  You guys who have come to know me on a philosophical level and read Walker's post above, though, had to know this was comin'! [smiley=yes.gif] ;D ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on Apr 28th, 2003, 11:03am
Enough of the heavy shit already! Now on to inmportant things: HOT WINGS!!! [smiley=flamewar.gif]  [smiley=LMFAO.gif] Seriously, I find it hard to believe that with some many hardcore football fans, thta no one has a good hot wing recipe!!!  [smiley=LMFAO.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 28th, 2003, 5:13pm
When it comes to sports teams, I too am just like Walker.  

I too grew up in Connecticut. My late father was a huge Giants, Yankees, and Rangers fan. I too rooted for the Giants and Rangers, but in the 70's, I was infactuated by the Red Sox. Fred Lynn, Dwight Evans, Yaz, Rice, Fisk, Tiant, Hobson, Remy...man, they were great to watch. Then we moved to Houston, and we watched many games at the Astrodome. We became huge Nolan Ryan fans, so we rooted for the Astros. My neighbor across the street went to high school with one of the Oiler wide receivers, so we rooted for the Oilers as our AFC team, because we were still diehard Giant fans. Three years later, the move to Northern California and the sucess of the A's at the time made us cheer for guys like MacGwire, Canseco, Stewart, Rickey and Dave Henderson, Carney Lansford and such. Now, basketball was never big for me. I really love college hoop, and while living in Houston, Akeem Olajuwon was in college at UH. When he went to the Rockets, I followed him. Now, since I live close to Sacramento, I kinda follow the Kings, although the Warriors are exciting to watch now days. So, in a nut shell, these are the teams I root for...


Football: Giants and Titans, alhough I am starting to like Marvin Lewis and the Bengals now. I think he's a great coach.

Baseball: Astros and A's

Hockey: Rangers

Hoop: Kings and Warriors

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Apr 30th, 2003, 3:04pm
Users online

0 Guests, 7 Users

Philly, Cirrinone, ZAGS, dowens11, StegRock, PA Outlaws, Daunte Williams  


Not too shabby for a Wednesday in April...  [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Apr 30th, 2003, 3:14pm
Actually, the best today, as I recall, was 3 Guests and 6 Users!  But, whatever, it's ALL GOOD, right? [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 1st, 2003, 3:24pm

on 04/28/03 at 11:03:05, PA Outlaws wrote:
Now on to inmportant things: HOT WINGS!!!  Seriously, I find it hard to believe that with some many hardcore football fans, thta no one has a good hot wing recipe!!!  [smiley=LMFAO.gif]


Still NO word on PA's hot-wing sauce [smiley=flamewar.gif][smiley=chicken.gif] recipe! >:(

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on May 1st, 2003, 3:53pm
I know Steg, I can' tbelieve it! ???

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 1st, 2003, 9:09pm
Are you all seein' what my MY Boston Celtics [smiley=stpat.gif] are doing to the Pacers tonight? [smiley=gettinhammered.gif]

And, MY Montreal Expos [smiley=threed.gif] continue to "sweep" through MLB!

And, what do I have to say about MY #1 New Jersey Devils [smiley=evil.gif] other than, "They fuckin' ROCK!"?

And, now, our Chief [smiley=patriot.gif] is proudly speakin' to our couragous and victorious boyz and girlz [smiley=commander.gif] ! [smiley=proudAmerican.gif]

What a GREAT night! [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on May 1st, 2003, 10:37pm
Big Win for the Flyers tonight!! [smiley=cheers.gif] Steg, I'm hoping for a Flyers vs. Devils series! [smiley=dancin.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on May 2nd, 2003, 8:20am
How about those Lakers! That was a great series full of awesome highlight plays. :o Minnesota gave us a much needed wake-up call and LA is in a good frame of mind heading to San Antonio. This may sound crazy, but I'm glad we don't have home court advantage. All the pressure will be on SA in the first 2 games and the Lakers play well away from home. I look for them to take at least one of these first 2 games and head back to LA with the home court. The Spurs were the best team durring the regular season, but I can't imagine them playing any better then the Timberwolves did. We'll see. Go Lakers!

Did anyone catch Artest's latest outburst? That guy is a walking time bomb. The Celtics had a great series but they will have their hands full with New Jersey. Like any of that matters... Everyone knows the East is playing for second place. Anyone disagree and think the East can beat the West?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 2nd, 2003, 9:14am

on 05/02/03 at 08:20:47, Walker Boh wrote:
How about those Lakers! That was a great series full of awesome highlight plays. :o Minnesota gave us a much needed wake-up call and LA is in a good frame of mind heading to San Antonio. This may sound crazy, but I'm glad we don't have home court advantage. All the pressure will be on SA in the first 2 games and the Lakers play well away from home. I look for them to take at least one of these first 2 games and head back to LA with the home court. The Spurs were the best team durring the regular season, but I can't imagine them playing any better then the Timberwolves did. We'll see. Go Lakers!


I knew something was going to ruin yesterday! [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]


Quote:
Did anyone catch Artest's latest outburst? That guy is a walking time bomb. The Celtics had a great series but they will have their hands full with New Jersey. Like any of that matters... Everyone knows the East is playing for second place. Anyone disagree and think the East can beat the West?


But, you were basically nice to my Celtics, so I'll change that to a... [smiley=flipa.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 3rd, 2003, 12:23am
I am IN LOVE... [smiley=smitten.gif] ...been for awhile now... with the chick in the back seat of the Mitsubishi SUV commercial!  She ain't great lookin'!  But, she has that "poor-man's Carey Lowell from Law & Order" look and I just love the way she is swayin'!  The back-seat action also helps as well as the cute black chick in the front seat.  Steggie's [smiley=thinking.gif] thinkin', [smiley=hooters.gif][smiley=pimpin.gif][smiley=titflash.gif] , simultaneous lovin'!

Mmmmm...  Mmm... [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

[smiley=jammaster.gif]-"Just get messed up...  Throw your best up!"

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 3rd, 2003, 10:57pm
I hit the reply button after reading that last post, but I'm not sure how to respond to it now...


[smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 3rd, 2003, 11:09pm
Anyone know what song that is in that commercial? My wife and I both like it, but don't know who sings it.



on 05/03/03 at 00:23:14, StegRock wrote:
I am IN LOVE... [smiley=smitten.gif] ...been for awhile now... with the chick in the back seat of the Mitsubishi SUV commercial!  She ain't great lookin'!  But, she has that "poor-man's Carey Lowell from Law & Order" look and I just love the way she is swayin'!  The back-seat action also helps as well as the cute black chick in the front seat.  Steggie's [smiley=thinking.gif] thinkin', [smiley=hooters.gif][smiley=pimpin.gif][smiley=titflash.gif] , simultaneous lovin'!

Mmmmm...  Mmm... [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

[smiley=jammaster.gif]-"Just get messed up...  Throw your best up!"


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 3rd, 2003, 11:35pm
I have no idea what commerical you guys are talking about...  :-/

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 4th, 2003, 12:07am

on 05/03/03 at 23:35:29, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
I have no idea what commerical you guys are talking about...  :-/


That's good because it means that you are not watching too much TV because that commercial is SO overplayed!

And, by the way, I, too, like BW, would like to know the name of that song.  It's good!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on May 4th, 2003, 1:29am
Talking about commercials....

Have you all seen this one?   It is a two minute commercial.(European)  It took 605 shots to perfect.  I would have gone insane trying to get it right.(Yes, this is REALLY a commercial. )  Check it out:

Give it a second to load, then follow directions on screen

http://multimedia.honda-eu.com/accord/




Here are articles about the filming of it:

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/13/nhonda13.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/13/ixhome.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/business/1051618164120441.xml?oregonian?fng


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on May 4th, 2003, 11:08am
I checked out that Honda commercial. (It reminded me of the game Mousetrap, remember that one?) The commercial was too long and I kept waiting for something really cool to happen, but it ended rather anti-climatically. They should of had a big net fall on the car at the end, then cut to a bunch of mice jumping around, giving high fives!

Here's the info on that Mitsubishi SUV commercial... The song is called "Breathe" done by French techno group Telepopmusik.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 4th, 2003, 5:04pm
I don' think that is the same commercial. The car in my ad is the Endeavor. There are three people in it driving down a city street at night. It has a cool dance beat, then goes into a rap type lyric...


on 05/04/03 at 11:08:42, Walker Boh wrote:
Here's the info on that Mitsubishi SUV commercial... The song is called "Breathe" done by French techno group Telepopmusik.


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on May 5th, 2003, 8:15am
No problem BW, I got you covered.  ;)

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/company/music/index.html

Now go out and support your favorite "commercial" band!

[smiley=groove.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 6th, 2003, 3:25am
SWEET!!!

You are a pimp Walker!

[smiley=pimpin.gif]

on 05/05/03 at 08:15:14, Walker Boh wrote:
No problem BW, I got you covered.  ;)

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/company/music/index.html

Now go out and support your favorite "commercial" band!

[smiley=groove.gif]


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 6th, 2003, 9:46pm
<----- "real" football anyone?  :o

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on May 6th, 2003, 9:54pm

on 05/06/03 at 21:46:23, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
<----- "real" football anyone?  :o



Oh yea!  I am a huge soccer fan.  Went to the World Cup in New York.  Also went to the womens world cup.

I love the Champions Cup.  I try to follow European soccer, not too much into Central or South American teams.  

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 7th, 2003, 12:00am
Well, many of you may know where I was a year ago.  I really am not much of a soccer fan, although in cumulative years I probably have played more organized soccer in my life than any other sport (I was a soccer kid with a soccer mom), but the one World Cup game I attended, the U.S.'s victory over Mexico in front of mostly booing and jeering Korean fans (chauvinistically) rooting for Mexico, was absolutely INCREDIBLE.  However, I must also admit that that was primarily due to a feeling of national pride or even downright nationalism. [smiley=proudAmerican.gif] Take me to a Metrostars-D.C. United game and I am sure I will be [smiley=tired.gif] [smiley=sleepers.gif] !  In any event, it was a wild time to have been in Korea and it was the one saving grace for me that made that extra, unexpected one-year stint in Korea worth it.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 7th, 2003, 9:00am
I played American Football (the real football) in high school, so of course we made fun of the soccer players as being too weak and wimpy to play football.  I don't think I ever watched a game of soccer until I got to college.

At college, I had a creative writing class with Alexi Lalas.  We struck up a friendship and he invited me out to a few games.  Needless to say, I got hooked.  Rutgers had some really good teams while I was there.

While NFL football will always be #1 with me, I can enjoy soccer (futbol) now.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 7th, 2003, 3:10pm

on 05/07/03 at 00:00:45, StegRock wrote:
[smiley=proudAmerican.gif] Take me to a Metrostars-D.C. United game and I am sure I will be [smiley=tired.gif] [smiley=sleepers.gif]


American soccer is terrible... it's the worst form of soccer I have ever seen, and it doesn't surprise me one bit that Americans aren't that big with soccer, because MLS and Southern American play with the exception of Argentina and Brazil, is terrible and boring.

Try checking out the Champions league on ESPN 2 usually Tuesday and Wednesdays every so often. Yesterday they showed Real Madrid vs Juventus and today(I haven't checked yet, I'm going to check as soon as I'm done posting) Inter de Milan vs. AC Milan.

I also have always wonder why they call it Football and Soccer here... instead of maybe Football and Rugby?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 7th, 2003, 7:32pm

on 05/01/03 at 22:37:57, PA Outlaws wrote:
Big Win for the Flyers tonight!! [smiley=cheers.gif] Steg, I'm hoping for a Flyers vs. Devils series! [smiley=dancin.gif]


Uhhhh... sorry! :-[ Maybe next time! ;) [smiley=tonguin.gif] ;D

[smiley=evil.gif] Mu-ah-ha-ha! [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 8th, 2003, 7:25am

on 05/07/03 at 19:32:20, StegRock wrote:
Uhhhh... sorry! :-[ Maybe next time! ;) [smiley=tonguin.gif] ;D

[smiley=evil.gif] Mu-ah-ha-ha! [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif]


Is this a hockey forum?  I think not... let's talk football.  How about those Broncos?  Nah, not worth talking about - they suck.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 8th, 2003, 9:48am
Hey, this is "the Bleachers"! [smiley=arguing.gif] I have a good mind to get out my seat here and pop you one! [smiley=boxer.gif] Jealousy doesn't become you, pal! [smiley=smileytrash.gif]

[smiley=tonguin.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 8th, 2003, 3:18pm
Philly come on now..  atleast the Broncos were never favored to win the Superbowl and didn't *cough*CHOKE*cough* in the LAST game at the Vet in the NFC championship.

The only one with bragging rights here is me fellas.  ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 8th, 2003, 11:02pm
I hope you all saw the Dallas-Sacramento record breaking half... doesn't get more exciting then that!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 9th, 2003, 10:28am

on 05/08/03 at 15:18:37, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Philly come on now..  atleast the Broncos were never favored to win the Superbowl and didn't *cough*CHOKE*cough* in the LAST game at the Vet in the NFC championship.

The only one with bragging rights here is me fellas.  ;D


You're right, the Broncos were NOT favored to win the Super Bowl.  In fact, they weren't favored to win many of the regular season games they played.

As far as the Eagles are concerned, they did lose the NFC Championship game (I still have haunting images of Joe Jurevicius running for 70 yards).  You've got me there.

But let's see what happens this next year.  The Bucs still have no running game.  Brad Johnson is a year older and more fragile.  Keyshawn hasn't gotten any faster... Lately Super Bowl champs have turned into Super Bowl chumps the following year.  I'll be surprised if the Bucs can even win their division next year.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 9th, 2003, 3:57pm
The same can be said for your Eagles Philly!!

GO GIANTS!!!  ;D


on 05/09/03 at 10:28:53, Philly wrote:
I'll be surprised if the Bucs can even win their division next year.


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 11th, 2003, 8:08pm
I'm not going to argue with you on this one BW.  I think the Giants and the Eagles will be battling all year for the division title.  The Giants have improved their team and will be solid this year.

But don't expect me to like it...   [smiley=fumin.gif]

Title: "My Tribute to Mugs"
Post by StegRock on May 15th, 2003, 12:29am
"My Tribute to Mugs"

Well, this is probably going to seem quite trifling, perhaps even childish to some...

Early today I lost a best little buddy of mine, nothing too tragic... I know... I have been there... lost my dad during junior year of high school...  But, this is nevertheless painful.

...

The VERY abridged version...

It was 1992, college years, and I was out in Colorado living with my then (main) college sweetheart Amy.  She so wanted a little fur-ball to play with (actually, in the "that" way too... a little extra muff-ball [smiley=hooters.gif] to "play" with...  I was SO lucky, but never closed the deal on that potential menage a trois [smiley=nono.gif] ).  Working multiple jobs and having full-time class loads, we did not want the responsibility of a dog; neither of us was particularly keen on cats either.  After looking through a pet shop window one day in a local mall, I went home and suggested getting a rabbit.  We did, and from the very beginning this was no average relationship.  She was the only lop and quite a bit bigger than the rest in the bin.  The clerk explained that she was the last of a batch that had come in about two months prior and that the supplier of that batch was expected to be making a delivery within the following couple days, at which time this bunny would be taken back and, well,...  Well, her guardian angel had arrived and she soon became the doted over "Mugsy the rabbit".  Having been purchased so late in the going, she had grown up with such little human contact and, thus, was, well, not too friendly, something the clerk warned us of.  In any event, she never cared for Amy very much, but could tolerate me, which, to me, meant A LOT, actually more than having the affection of a friendly animal.  To be tolerable to Mugsy meant A LOT.  She did become a baby after time, though.

Well, an apartment move with Amy and then a rough breakup, a college graduation, a move back to Jersey, and a marriage (to a woman Mugsy adored... at first site... she followed my wife around everywhere, which was unbelievable because she really instinctively did not like females) later; work that took me to South Korea, for seven years back-and-forth; through many joys and hardships; etc., etc.; 10 and a half years later, from wherever I was coming, this little white, gray-eared bunny was here for me...  Besides saving her life from day one, I nursed this little bugger back to health a few other times.  Many consider bunnies a "throw-away" pet; this animal was no "throw-away" pet (actually, this is a fallacy... the experience of having a rabbit as a pet is MUCH MORE akin to that of having a dog or cat [smiley=yes.gif] than to having a hamster or guinea pig [smiley=no.gif] ).  For 10 and a half years, she was my pal, (besides good ole' mom) the one constant in my life... until this morning. :'(

After a night of force-feeding her Gerber's baby [smiley=newbie.gif] food (yup, crushed carrots) as her health rapidly deteriorated, the conclusion at the vet's office was foregone.  And, so a chapter of my life closed.  She was the last living, breathing connection to people, places, things and times long gone.  But, most of all, she was my little buddy, and "just a 'throw-away' bunny" or not, I... we will miss her very dearly.

When I picked you up, Mug-bear, out of that bin that cold January day in 1992, I never expected ya' to still be around after I turned 32.  I miss ya', ole' girl. [smiley=wave.gif] [smiley=rabbit.gif] You've been a good friend both to me and our family. [smiley=smitten.gif] ... [smiley=bawling.gif] ... [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on May 15th, 2003, 8:06am
Touching story Steg! Sorry for the loss. Losing a pet is never an esay thing to do! She'll always be in the memories though........ [smiley=rabbit.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 15th, 2003, 3:11pm
I'm sure it was a touching piece... but I'm not to fond of animals so I passed on reading it.

Though I feel your  pain, Steg, really I do.  :'( =)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on May 15th, 2003, 4:32pm
That sucks Steg.  I know the feeling!!  Hang in there.

[smiley=zenmaster.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 15th, 2003, 10:39pm
Thanks to PA, KJ, Double D and everybody else who has taken the time to read my last message here in "the Bleachers".  I appreciate the positive energy you have sent my way.

But, KJ, I must say this...  The "message" of my "message" was greater than that of just explaining the mournful loss of a beloved pet, which is touching enough, but...  The spirit of what I wrote spoke more to having an appreciation for the chapters of life, the "apparently" small things of life, and the value of life. [smiley=zenmaster.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on May 16th, 2003, 8:18am
Great post Steg. Reading it made me think about all the pets I've lost in my life... Most of them are easy enough to deal with, but everyone has that one special friend that they will always remember. I'm sorry for your loss.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on May 16th, 2003, 12:00pm
I'll miss ya, Fred  [smiley=dog.gif]!  [smiley=smitten.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 16th, 2003, 12:58pm
Okay, I am pulling myself up by the bootstraps here finally and am going to break up the monotony of lamentations a little bit (but, by all means, continue posting about that favorite pet of yours that you, oh so, miss, if you want to) with a little levity, playing off of PA's post...

...

I'll miss ya's, L. A. Lakers [smiley=drown.gif] ... NOT [smiley=wave.gif] !  Buh-bye!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 16th, 2003, 2:01pm
So long Lakers.  Enjoy the offseason Kobe and Shaq.

[smiley=downthetubes.gif]








;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 16th, 2003, 3:16pm
Pistons NBA Champs.  ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on May 16th, 2003, 4:34pm
No way they beat Philly at home tonight. Philly takes this game, and then may give Detroit a run for their money in the 313. I'm biased though... GO SIXERS!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 16th, 2003, 4:56pm
Made a temporary change to my avatar if you haven't noticed.  Received a letter from the Alpha Tau Omega Fraternity foundation by e-mail today and that was (part of) their letterhead.  I liked it, so...

So, are there any other fraternity or former fraternity guys out there on "the Gridiron"?  Moreover, any other current or former ATO's, like Len Dawson, Cris Collinsworth and yours truly, 'round here? ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 16th, 2003, 5:03pm

on 05/16/03 at 16:34:54, Cirrinone wrote:
No way they beat Philly at home tonight. Philly takes this game, and then may give Detroit a run for their money in the 313. I'm biased though... GO SIXERS!


I would give this game and the series, to the Sixers, if it wasnt for the emergence of Tayshaun Prince and the play of Chucky Atkins.

They're doing a good job of "shutting down" Iverson, or atleast forcing him to take bad shots. I don't see a game 7 happening. I also don't like the chances of the Nets in the series vs. Pistons.

Mavericks vs. Spurs Western Conference Final (SA 4-2)

Pistons vs. Nets Westeren Conference Final (DET 4-3)

Pistons vs Spurs Finals (DET 4-2)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on May 16th, 2003, 7:01pm
Hmmm... I'm trying to think of the name of that team that got swept... [smiley=uh.gif] Hmmm... I think they wear green.... Oh yeah, it was the Boston Celtics! Haha! Haha! Way to put up a fight Bean Town! Please.

[smiley=flamewar.gif][smiley=stpat.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 16th, 2003, 10:59pm

No way either the Pistons or Nets beat any of the remaining three western teams KJ...the Kings, Mavs or Spurs mop the east in the finals 4-2.




on 05/16/03 at 17:03:00, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
I would give this game and the series, to the Sixers, if it wasnt for the emergence of Tayshaun Prince and the play of Chucky Atkins.

They're doing a good job of "shutting down" Iverson, or atleast forcing him to take bad shots. I don't see a game 7 happening. I also don't like the chances of the Nets in the series vs. Pistons.

Mavericks vs. Spurs Western Conference Final (SA 4-2)

Pistons vs. Nets Westeren Conference Final (DET 4-3)

Pistons vs Spurs Finals (DET 4-2)


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on May 16th, 2003, 11:07pm
DAMN! Pistons win in overtime. And Iverson even came back to score 38! What the hell... hmm... it's all the Pistons defense. Only way Nets beat them is if Kidd and K-Mart are on top of their game while JEFFERSON steps it up. I don't like the Nets' chances. Spurs take it all.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 16th, 2003, 11:56pm
I told ya Detroit would win.  ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 17th, 2003, 12:48am

on 05/16/03 at 16:56:32, StegRock wrote:
Made a temporary change to my avatar if you haven't noticed.  Received a letter from the Alpha Tau Omega Fraternity foundation by e-mail today and that was (part of) their letterhead.  I liked it, so...

So, are there any other fraternity or former fraternity guys out there on "the Gridiron"?  Moreover, any other current or former ATO's, like Len Dawson, Cris Collinsworth and yours truly, 'round here? ;D


Anybody?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on May 17th, 2003, 7:51am
The avatar looks cool...  [smiley=yes.gif]

I never belonged to a frat...  [smiley=no.gif]

I never even went to a real college, just JC...  [smiley=bawling.gif] [smiley=dejected.gif]

But, I did party my as off! [smiley=moon.gif] Doesn't that count for something?  [smiley=alcoholic.gif][smiley=bonghit.gif][smiley=cheers.gif]

;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 19th, 2003, 11:57am

on 05/16/03 at 16:56:32, StegRock wrote:
Made a temporary change to my avatar if you haven't noticed.  Received a letter from the Alpha Tau Omega Fraternity foundation by e-mail today and that was (part of) their letterhead.  I liked it, so...

So, are there any other fraternity or former fraternity guys out there on "the Gridiron"?  Moreover, any other current or former ATO's, like Len Dawson, Cris Collinsworth and yours truly, 'round here? ;D


After I finished grad school I was invited to join Kappa Delta Pi, an international honors fraternity for education.  It certainly isn't your "Animal House" type of fraternity - we have an occasional banquet - no keggers.  I attended plenty of those in undergrad though... many a late night partying with Chi Psi, Theta Chi, Fiji, and Chi Phi at Rutgers University.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 19th, 2003, 3:52pm
Not knocking anyone by saying this, but when I go to college I doubt I'll join a fraternity. I just think it's stupid to basically "pay for your friends."

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 19th, 2003, 4:43pm

on 05/19/03 at 15:52:56, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Not knocking anyone by saying this, but when I go to college I doubt I'll join a fraternity. I just think it's stupid to basically "pay for your friends."


Have you ever heard of the saying "back-handed compliment"?  It isn't exactly what you did above, but it is of the same spirit!  Very, v-e-r-y naive, and an awfully and unnecessarily rude way of putting it (I just paid for my friends, huh? [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Two of whom are still in my life, oh, and in the GBRFL and, yes, around these boards from time to time, but usually we do our "talkin'" on the phone), and this is coming from a guy who did not go through "formal" rush and once said, right in front of a rush sign-up table, "Greeks are for geeks," [smiley=nono.gif] and, later that very first semester, went on to become my class's president and, oh yea, an ATO.  That having been said, it does depend on who you are and the school and its Greek system.  The Greek system at the University of Denver was THE SHIT!  However, e.g., at the college closest to me here in New Jersey, Monmouth University, the Greek system is pretty lame.  They do not really have houses and can ONLY congregate off-campus, which is pretty beat since M. U. is basically a fenced-in, vis-a-vis a wall-less and sprawling, campus.  Penn State, a sprawling campus, I have heard has a rockin' Greek system.  On the other hand, I have a number of friends who went to Rutgers.  They told me the Greek system was kind of "eh!"  The sororities have real restrictive rules they have to follow, which inhibit "fraternization," so to speak!  I mean mixers and "exchanges," which are done with sororities, are what fraternities are all about.  Also, if you go to school locally, the point of joining a fraternity diminishes.  In ANY case, it is HARDLY about "paying for friends."  Your dues are your dues; we all pay "them" in different ways throughout life!  Your friends are your friends.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 20th, 2003, 7:35pm
Here is my only real gripe with Annika Sorenstam's push to play in the PGA...

I used to think she was kind of hot, at least as far as LPGA chicks go.  But, now with all the training she has gone through to compete with the men, she looks like shit.  Did anybody see that piece they did on her about two weeks ago on 60 Minutes?  They showed her lifting weights and what not.  She used to have a nice feminine physique and was a bit of a cutie; now she looks like the "Incredible She-hulk"! [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 20th, 2003, 10:42pm

on 05/16/03 at 15:16:49, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Pistons NBA Champs.  ;D


You stickin' with that, kidd... I mean, kid?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 20th, 2003, 11:52pm
Down 0-2 now...




on 05/20/03 at 22:42:59, StegRock wrote:
You stickin' with that, kidd... I mean, kid?


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 21st, 2003, 6:52pm

on 05/20/03 at 23:52:01, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Down 0-2 now...


4 points: That's the total amount of points by which the Pistons have lost both Game 1 and 2.

Yes, I'll say it, they are ONLY down 0-2, and have lost home-field advantage. Regardless, they won't be making history by coming back from an 0-2 deficit, it's been done before. Detroit has enough defense to shut down the Nets, and has enough firepower in Jon Barry, Tayshaun Prince, Clifford Robinson, and Rip Hamilton to make a comeback.

I'm stickin' to my decision, I've predicted the Superbowl champion correctly the past two years(as was witnessed this year by the competition I ran which I kicked all your asses, thank you very much), now it's time to try my luck on the NBA.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 21st, 2003, 10:37pm
What the fuck is going on with the Devils?

They are pissing the living shit out of me.  [smiley=fumin.gif] [smiley=furious.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 22nd, 2003, 10:49pm

on 05/21/03 at 18:52:02, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
4 points: That's the total amount of points by which the Pistons have lost both Game 1 and 2.

Yes, I'll say it, they are ONLY down 0-2, and have lost home-field advantage. Regardless, they won't be making history by coming back from an 0-2 deficit, it's been done before. Detroit has enough defense to shut down the Nets, and has enough firepower in Jon Barry, Tayshaun Prince, Clifford Robinson, and Rip Hamilton to make a comeback.

I'm stickin' to my decision, I've predicted the Superbowl champion correctly the past two years(as was witnessed this year by the competition I ran which I kicked all your asses, thank you very much), now it's time to try my luck on the NBA.


You s-u-r-e you want to stick with that... ? ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Daunte Williams on May 23rd, 2003, 2:15am
Thats stupid that my Lebron thread got closed. I thought the Sidelines was for all the non-football stuff.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 23rd, 2003, 7:39am
No, only the bleachers is for non-football related stuff.

Yes, I'm stickin' by my decision Steg, Detroit will make history!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Daunte Williams on May 23rd, 2003, 8:44am
The what the hell is the Sidelines for?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 23rd, 2003, 9:42am

on 05/23/03 at 08:44:22, Daunte Williams wrote:
The what the hell is the Sidelines for?


about general NFL issues, the CFL, College or High School ball, Arena League Football, NFL Europe, cheerleaders, how good the bratwurst is at your local stadium, the political correctness of team names like the Redskins, how your draft day went, "the Gridiron" (and how much you like it) and its members, etc.

...


The Sidelines is still football, with this thread (the Bleachers) being the only exception.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 23rd, 2003, 2:44pm

on 05/23/03 at 02:15:27, Daunte Williams wrote:
Thats stupid that my Lebron thread got closed. I thought the Sidelines was for all the non-football stuff.


Sorry, DW, but you thought wrong.  Hell, I even made a witty post to that thread and then realized my very own mistake and accepted the conclusion in stride!

In any event, let's all of us take a look at the message-board description for "the Sidelines" here together:

If you are neither of the above (meaning that the board descriptions for "the Red Zone" or "between the 20's" does not fit what you want to post), but are a fan of football who is looking to chat about general NFL issues, the CFL, College or High School ball, Arena League Football, NFL Europe, cheerleaders, how good the bratwurst is at your local stadium, the political correctness of team names like the Redskins, how your draft day went, "the Gridiron" (and how much you like it) and its members, etc., etc., this board is for you! Have at it!

Hmmmm... [smiley=hmmmm.gif] Seems fairly clear-cut, at least with regards to whether a thread on LeBron James is appropriate or not, no?

Now, moreover, this issue of the establishment of an absolute "free-for-all" board was VERY thoroughly discussed this offseason on the following thread:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;action=display;num=1042955464;start=0.

Please refer to it and bring yourselves up to speed!

And, please always keep in mind that ambiguity of board usage is a primary cause for acrimony.  You all like the "nice-guy" atmosphere here, right?  That did not just come about out of thin air!  It came about because I have established detailed rules and my staff and I have enforced them to a tee!

Once again, thank you for your anticipated and gracious understanding and cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Daunte Williams on May 23rd, 2003, 4:26pm
My bad...sorry :-[

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 23rd, 2003, 4:39pm
[quote author=Daunte Williams link=board=58;num=1051295537;start=75#81 date=05/23/03 at 16:26:16] My bad...sorry :-[/quote]

It happens to us all, even Steg, as was witnessed with his reply to your thread.  ;) ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 23rd, 2003, 6:22pm
Again, fellas, if digressions come about within a football-related/FF-related thread, COOL... kind of like what is happening on the "GO Maroons!" thread.  Started out as a football-related thread and now has gone in a different non-football-related direction.  That's just fine!  The point of my philosophy is that I want to have people here be "football people," more specifically "fantasy football people," first and then we can go about getting to know one another more, shall I say, intimately, i.e., I want us to be a gathering of football people... only.  However, coming to kind of a middle ground, I eventually created "the Bleachers" sticky thread(s) (that "s" there is a hint as to how I plan on perpetuating "the Bleachers" sticky thread, so please continue to have at it here).  But, I don't really want any "general talkers" and a "free-for-all" board would make us vulnerable to the infiltration of such people, whom I have nothing really against, but just don't want to spend my money and bandwidth on, and I don't see anybody joining just to hang out on "the Bleachers" sticky thread.  My passion is football, the NFL, and fantasy football.  As such, this is a football-, NFL- and fantasy football-discussion forum, period.  The way I see it, use the FFToday Geek Club's bandwidth if you want to talk about other stuff. ;) That's what I do! [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 23rd, 2003, 9:30pm
"Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh) "Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh)
"Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh) "Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh)

[smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on May 23rd, 2003, 9:51pm
First of all, DW meant no harm by his post. Now we all (I didn't know all the rules either!), no where to post stuff like that.

Sceondly I hate the FUCKING DEVILS  [smiley=flamewar.gif]  [smiley=demon.gif]  [smiley=firinback.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 23rd, 2003, 11:24pm
I hope all of this time to rest didn't cool off the Duck's goalie. I hope they kick the crap out of the Devils, cuz THEY SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 23rd, 2003, 11:57pm

on 05/20/03 at 19:35:27, StegRock wrote:
Here is my only real gripe with Annika Sorenstam's push to play in the PGA...

I used to think she was kind of hot, at least as far as LPGA chicks go.  But, now with all the training she has gone through to compete with the men, she looks like shit.  Did anybody see that piece they did on her about two weeks ago on 60 Minutes?  They showed her lifting weights and what not.  She used to have a nice feminine physique and was a bit of a cutie; now she looks like the "Incredible She-hulk"! [smiley=nono.gif]


Well, I'm glad that shit's over with!  No more unending, unrelenting debates on every fuckin' station on this shit anymore!  Look, I really did not have a problem with her doin' her thang!  Women have all the right in the world to assert themselves!  That having been said, as "one of the guys," well, she ended up being just one of the guys who didn't make the cut at a quite ho-hum, VERY run-of-the-mill tournament, relatively speaking!  I just think it is a shame, as I stated in the quote above, that she forsook a rather nice feminine physique and look, something she will never be able to get back, for the sake of this, which did absolutely nothing for women's golf, really. :-/

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 24th, 2003, 12:19am
I think you'll be hearing alot more about her, considering she ALMOST made the cut.

She was well on pace to making the cut around the 3rd round or so.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 25th, 2003, 2:00pm
I may not be a Nets fan, but if you have been following this thread, you know I am a Devils fan.  Regardless, though, these are great times to be a New Jersey sports fan or just a sports fan in New Jersey.  Hip-hip hurray, for Jersey-based professional sports teams! [smiley=havinablast.gif] I never thought I would ever see a day like this, where the professional sports world is so focused on our wonderful little state of New Jersey, come to pass!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 25th, 2003, 3:49pm
If history means bowing out via the broom, then yes, I guess they did make a little history...



on 05/23/03 at 07:39:51, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
No, only the bleachers is for non-football related stuff.

Yes, I'm stickin' by my decision Steg, Detroit will make history!


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 25th, 2003, 8:58pm

on 05/24/03 at 00:19:05, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
I think you'll be hearing alot more about her, considering she ALMOST made the cut.

She was well on pace to making the cut around the 3rd round or so.



Her putting game sucked, but she hit almost 93% of the greens in regulation.  The average for everyone else in the Colonial... 66%.  She hits one damn straight ball!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on May 25th, 2003, 8:59pm

on 05/25/03 at 14:00:55, StegRock wrote:
I may not be a Nets fan, but if you have been following this thread, you know I am a Devils fan.  Regardless, though, these are great times to be a New Jersey sports fan or just a sports fan in New Jersey.  Hip-hip hurray, for Jersey-based professional sports teams! [smiley=havinablast.gif] I never thought I would ever see a day like this, where the professional sports world is so focused on our wonderful little state of New Jersey, come to pass!



I'm a very proud resident of South Jersey, but the Philadelphia teams are where it's at... unfortunately there is some sort of curse or something on them now.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Daunte Williams on May 26th, 2003, 3:19pm
How many posts does it take to get to "GM" status? I think I am close, but not sure.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 26th, 2003, 3:33pm

on 05/25/03 at 15:49:56, BarnabyWilde wrote:
If history means bowing out via the broom, then yes, I guess they did make a little history...


I meant next year..  ::) ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on May 26th, 2003, 3:43pm

on 05/26/03 at 15:19:35, Daunte Williams wrote:
How many posts does it take to get to "GM" status? I think I am close, but not sure.


250 ... Keep pluggin' away  [smiley=firinback.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 26th, 2003, 4:34pm

on 05/26/03 at 15:43:14, PA Outlaws wrote:
250 ... Keep pluggin' away  [smiley=firinback.gif]


BUT, don't spam to get there!  Let's keep things as pithy and substantive as reasonably possible, fellas! [smiley=bow.gif] I want this site to "keep its promise" of daring to be different by being substantive and not just become filled up with constant mindless drivel.  This intermediate goal is actually a HUGE part of the "Grand Master [smiley=jammaster.gif] Plan" of mine! [smiley=threed.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Daunte Williams on May 26th, 2003, 7:07pm
I strive to make my post always full of pithy insight and knowledge, anything less would be dissapointing. I will not disappoint...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PA Outlaws on May 26th, 2003, 7:19pm
Thanks DW, pithy insight is the key to keepin it real!  [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 27th, 2003, 2:49am
Just don't get to long winded, like, oh, I don't know, Steg maybe?  ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 27th, 2003, 12:17pm
Hmmmm...  We're having a real festival today, at Steggy's expense?  I'll have to put a moratorium on that! [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on May 27th, 2003, 7:17pm
Ya' know on "the Gridiron" we have HOT threads http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/veryhotthread.gif and STICKY threads http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/sticky.gif...  But, I can't figure out how to make this one http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/veryhotthread.gif and http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/sticky.gif ... HOT and STICKY, that is!

Maybe, this'll help...

[smiley=gettinridden.gif] [smiley=hooters.gif] [smiley=titflash.gif] and, of course, you can't really do it without [smiley=dick.bmp]


[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 4th, 2003, 10:57pm
Fellas,

I gotta' big day tomorrow!  Finally takin' this GRE, something no 30-something-year-old-man should be doin', but the influence this damn test will have on the "next chapter of my life" is so huge.  Taking this thing will, at least symbolically, signify the start of that next chapter that was supposed to have begun at least two years ago and really, according to the original plan, as many as eight years ago.  What amounted to a seven-year diversion to Korea later... and, well, "here" I am.  Anyway, just givin' one final shout-out for any "love"/"energy" you guys can spare to send the way of this ogreish despot you have here! [smiley=Uwent2far.gif] :) I want to get this behind me in one shot and get a move on to where I "should be".  Thanks, guys! [smiley=bow.gif] I am...

...Sincerely Your "Warm and Fuzzy" Tyrant and "Friendly Neighborhood" Cult Leader, ;)
Steg [smiley=smileytrash.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 4th, 2003, 11:26pm
Good luck tomorrow Steg! Kick some ass and move on to "the next chapter of your life". YOU GO STEVE!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 5th, 2003, 7:26am
Good luck, today!  ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 5th, 2003, 7:29am
Hey Steg, how did you like game one of the NBA finals?


And, game 5 of the Stanley Cup finals should be a great one!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 5th, 2003, 8:05am
Is anyone still watching the NBA Finals? I know I'm not... People at work aren't talking about it... Not much talk on the radio either... Does anyone out there really care? Normally, when my team gets beat in the playoffs, I end up rooting for another and finish watching the season. That didn't happen this year. When the Lakers lost, I rooted for Dallas, but with the Mavs gone, I could care less... I can't stand SA or NJ. I hope they both lose.  ;D

I'm not a huge hockey fan, but I must admit I got very excited the other night when the Ducks pulled off the game 4 OT victory. I don't like sudden death OT in football, but it really works in hockey. Go Ducks!

Good luck today Steg! Just remember, "there is no spoon". [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 5th, 2003, 6:25pm
So Steg....tell us all about your test! How was it? How did you do? Are you  [smiley=alcoholic.gif] yet?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 5th, 2003, 9:04pm
Wow...anyone watching game 5 of the Stanley Cup?

2-2, great action. So far, both teams have won every game they have scored first. Tonight, the Ducks drew first blood just 40 seconds into the game.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 5th, 2003, 10:50pm
6-3... fuck... I just lost some money...  :-/

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 6th, 2003, 8:47pm
Well, fellaz, I'm BAAAHACK!  Ain't gonna' be needin' to take that test a second time! ;D Could I have done better?  Yea, I suppose so with a little more luck and being absolutely totally "in the zone".  Could I do worse?  Definitely.  But, sincerely, not much either way.  I pretty much got what I deserved, a score that will definitely have the program I want to enter rollin' out the red carpet for me [smiley=king.gif] and probably should have me considering schools a tier, or perhaps two, up.  As for specifics, I will give you all this much, if for no other reason than its absolute irony, but also because I am proud as hell of it, [smiley=awwgee.gif] Mr. Wordsmith here, "the English Master" of theEnglishMaster.com, ::) gets a, get this, 760 [smiley=ohshit.gif] ... on the quantitative (i.e. math) section.  Unreal!  I will be launching "theMathMaster.com" in coming months! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] This is not to say that my score on the verbal section wasn't good.  It was still 80 points above the average of ALL GRE-taking candidates entering Ph.D. programs throughout the nation, but I know I could have within reason done at least a little, like 40 points, better.  That having been said, I would NOT expect to get a 760 again on the math.  That is about 60 points higher than I thought was realistic... on the high-end that is.  I was definitely "in the zone" there. [smiley=yes.gif] Anyway, bottom line, this, the first and really biggest step in my "moving on", is FINALLY behind me.  I already feel better in spirits as a future that I have had to defer for a long time is finally in the (directly-related) process of its being realized! [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=zenmaster.gif] Thanks for all of the "energy" you guys sent my way! [smiley=bow.gif] It was evidently felt!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 6th, 2003, 9:06pm
Congrats, my man!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 6th, 2003, 9:50pm
Congrats!!  Now will you you start using words we will all understand?   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 6th, 2003, 11:36pm
Well, Double D, it is my vocabulary that I still evidently need to work on. [smiley=nerd.gif]-"It's right triangles and shit that I'm down wit'!" ::) [smiley=LMFAO.gif] So, it'll be the same ole' lovable Steggie, 'cep now I'll be talkin' Pythagoras and pi a hell of a lot more! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 9th, 2003, 10:09am
Nice work on the GRE Steg.  Any chance those scores will land you in the doctoral program at Princeton?  They have an excellent Philosophy program...  plus I work about 2 minutes from the campus. [smiley=graduate.gif]

Anyway, just wanted to let people know that I'm back.  Although I was never "technically" away, having a child certainly changes one's life.  But as I am back at work now--after two week's vacation(?)--I will be able to log on more and contribute once again.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 9th, 2003, 10:53am

on 06/09/03 at 10:09:21, Philly wrote:
Nice work on the GRE Steg.  Any chance those scores will land you in the doctoral program at Princeton?  They have an excellent Philosophy program...  plus I work about 2 minutes from the campus. [smiley=graduate.gif]

Anyway, just wanted to let people know that I'm back.  Although I was never "technically" away, having a child certainly changes one's life.  But as I am back at work now--after two week's vacation(?)--I will be able to log on more and contribute once again.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



How old is your child now?  

I will second that motion that having a child really affects life.  It kills me to see travel vacations to Europe for $1000 foir two people yet we can't go cause we got a child.  Or the fact that we can't go out as much.  Can't get to the nice restraunts we were accustomed to....etc....

With all that being said, being a father is the greatest feeling on earth!!  

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 9th, 2003, 1:41pm

on 06/09/03 at 10:53:37, DirkDiggler wrote:
How old is your child now?  


17 days old now.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2003, 1:47pm
Philly, hope all is going well with baby [smiley=newbie.gif] Darren!  (How much cuter is that newbie/baby smiley than the one we used to have?  If you remember, that thing was ugly as hell.)

Anyway, Philly, I wish, well, kind of, but, bottom line, no.  80 points over the average is not that good considering the average for the verbal section is in the LOW 500's (believe it or not).  That 760, over which I am still in disbelief, REALLY carried me.  Let's put it this way, with ALL this studying for a solid 5-month block plus another month or so of off-and-on study combined with my being an EFL/ESL/English teacher for almost 10 years now, I only did :-[ :gulp: 10 points :gulp: :-[ better on the verbal section this time than I did back in '94 when I took the GRE for practice, knowing I wasn't going to use those scores and, thus, did not study very much. [smiley=frustrated.gif] Not to mention, though I carried a 3.5 GPA in Philosophy, the area I am looking to get my Ph.D in, and a pure 4.0 in one of my other majors, Russian, I did not carry that great of a cumulative GPA, 3.1, due to my not liking some of my core classes A LOT and a 2.9 in my earliest declared major, Political Science, which I ended up realizing I did NOT really like, but finished anway, and a decent, though pedestrian 3.2 in my History minor.  It would be nice if my (having) three majors and a minor would be considered alongside my cumulative GPA, which actually was a superb 3.7 over my final two years (I went a total of 5), another point I would like emphasized, but...  I probably am only going to be able to make that happen if I interview,... which I may do.

Ultimately, though, I am going back to school with a dream school in mind, which my scores, GRE, GPA, or otherwise, should get me in with little hitch.  That having been said, after receiving the scores, since I was feeling real confident, I did go and look into reach programs for me to apply to.  I realized that my scores would probably put me on the low end of Notre Dame, read not Ivy League, applicants.  But, bottom line, the more research I did, the more I was pushed back toward my dream school, the University of Hawaii, which I learned apparently IS in fact the only philosophy program in the States that allows students to "officially" specialize in areas of eastern philosophy, something I REALLY want to do, and, among many other things, most importantly is the ONLY school among those that I looked into, which ranged from Northwestern to the University of Colorado to the University of Miami, that allow for spring semester entrance, which is what I want... need.  So, based on a litany of reasons that was only added to while looking into other schools (I mean while I was looking at other school's sites, I found myself almost invariably saying, "Well, there's another reason for me to go... to the University of Hawaii!"), a "Rainbow Warrior" I am destined to become.

...

Well, sorry for boring you guys with this VERY personal stuff.  Remember it is just that during this period of life I don't have that "water-cooler" to chat over.  I don't get out all too much.  I am in kind of a cocooning phase, and, yes, sadly or not, this is one of my main... only outlets these days. :'( [smiley=shrug.gif] :)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 9th, 2003, 2:06pm
Hawaii, eh?  Sounds like fun.  Good luck.  Interestingly, my verbal scores on my SATs and GREs were much lower than my math scores.  Of course I went ahead and became an English major and a high school English teacher after that... Go figure...

Also, congrats... that last post was #2000 for you.  I know you don't get any special recognition for your posts, unlike the rest of us.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 9th, 2003, 3:12pm

on 06/09/03 at 13:41:41, Philly wrote:
17 days old now.



CONGRATS!!!!!!


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 9th, 2003, 6:16pm
I will second what DD said. Being the father of 2 sons ages 5 and 3 and a 9 month old daughter, getting out with just the wife is a rare occasion.  [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

We were able to go out to dinner Saturday night, which was nice.  :)

Our vacations now consist of trips to Disneyland  [smiley=mickey.gif], Lego Land and Marine World. But I wouldn't trade it for anything either...



on 06/09/03 at 10:53:37, DirkDiggler wrote:
How old is your child now?  

I will second that motion that having a child really affects life.  It kills me to see travel vacations to Europe for $1000 foir two people yet we can't go cause we got a child.  Or the fact that we can't go out as much.  Can't get to the nice restraunts we were accustomed to....etc....

With all that being said, being a father is the greatest feeling on earth!!  


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2003, 6:21pm

on 06/09/03 at 18:16:54, BarnabyWilde wrote:
But I wouldn't trade it for anything either...


Not even Michael Vick, LaDainian Tomlinson and Terrell Owens? ;)

I know... I am a real [smiley=dick.bmp] ! [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2003, 8:30pm
How 'bout something a little lighthearted to break up the serious topics:

"Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh) "Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh)
"Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh) "Let's go DEV-ILS!" (Tuh--Tuh------Tuh-Tuh-Tuh)

[smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 9th, 2003, 10:49pm
Oh great... Stanley Cup champions again...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2003, 11:40pm
[smiley=thumbsup.gif] I am SO happy for my Devils!  This is the first Cup they've won that I was in town for.  I remember for their last Stanley Cup victory over the Stars, I was going back to my place the afternoon following a WILD night at a party I had organized at a cabin of one of my colleagues/buds up in the wilderness foothills of somewhere Bumblefuck South Korea.  I was with one of our Korean girlies and that aforementioned guy, Dave, FROM TEXAS and a huge Stars fan.  We were about halfway back to my place, about an hour into the drive, when the Devils scored that O.T. goal to win the Cup.  Immediately following, I have my bleary-eyed, in-a-hangover-haze ugly head out the window cheering at the top of my lungs, which were pretty spent at that point... while all these Koreans just looked on in befuddlement. ??? I also was in Korea for their first Cup victory, when they saved the team from moving (again).  No personal memorable story there, though!  In any event, it was great finally being in "Joysey" for one!

[smiley=thumbsdown.gif] I do have to say this, though.  New Jerseyans do disappoint me all too often... so wrapped up in their own victory party and not thinking to show a little class.  I would have liked to have heard more cheers and less boos when Giguere was awarded the Con-Smythe (sp.?) Trophy.  I thought it was well-deserved and a nice consolation prize for a guy who was obviously taking the loss hard.  It would have been nice and of no sweat off our fans' brows to show him a little love for a great playoff run.  I find it funny how often people decide NOT to take the high road, even when it would be SO easy and require SO little. [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 9th, 2003, 11:47pm
It was a great series. I was really pulling for the Ducks, but the beter team won.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 10th, 2003, 8:50am
Oh great... another parade in a parking lot in a swamp.  Seems like all the undeserving teams win championships.  The Buccaneers had what, like 25 people show up for their victory parade?  Someday, when that evil curse is lifted off of Philadelphia, everyone will see what a real victory parade should look like.

Sincerely,
Philly (who lives in Jersey but hates the Devils)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 10th, 2003, 11:00am

on 06/09/03 at 23:40:22, StegRock wrote:
...

[smiley=thumbsdown.gif] I do have to say this, though.  New Jerseyans do disappoint me all too often... so wrapped up in their own victory party and not thinking to show a little class.  I would have liked to have heard more cheers and less boos when Giguere was awarded the Con-Smythe (sp.?) Trophy.  I thought it was well-deserved and a nice consolation prize for a guy who was obviously taking the loss hard.  It would have been nice and of no sweat off our fans' brows to show him a little love for a great playoff run.  I find it funny how often people decide NOT to take the high road, even when it would be SO easy and require SO little. [smiley=nono.gif]


Any further comment on this one way or the other?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Fiedlers Choice on Jun 10th, 2003, 11:56am
In defense of NJ, I would say that any lack of class would be limited to Hockey fans.  There are always a few jerks out there in every sport, but I would bet that if (God forbid the Spurs win the next two and) Tim Duncan or Tony Parker is crowned finals' MVP this weekend in NJ, the fans would not boo.  The fans should not have boo'd last night.  It reminds me of my days in South Jersey hanging out with Philly fans.  For the most part, NJ fans are pretty good.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 10th, 2003, 1:16pm
Steg, I think maybe you are going a bit overboard by saying NJ fans are poor sports because they booed.  Let's be realistic and not stereotype New Jerseyans the way you did.  The same thing would have happened in ANY city.  The NJ fans felt that Brodeur was more deserving of the award and expressed their opinions.

I take offense to the issue of poor fan behavior and stereotyping a particular city/region because of it.  Maybe I'm a bit more sensitive than others because I cheer for Philly teams and their fans constantly get a bad rap from national media.  Yes, Philadelphia booed Santa Claus (yawn... how cliche is this now?), yes PA Governor Ed Rendell led the snowball throwing at Dallas coach Jimmy Johnson, yes an Eagles fan set off a flare gun during a MNF game, and yes, Phillies fans threw batteries at JD Drew when he returned to Philadelphia for the first time as a St. Louis Cardinal.

But keep in mind that these things happen in every city!  Denver, NY, Cleveland, Chicago, Boston, etc.  Does this mean that people from those cities lack class?  Not at all.

Sports elicits intense emotions in many people.  Devils fans were riding an intense euphoria when their team won.  They didn't want anything to take away from their victory and, hence, jeered the decision to name Giguere the Conn-Smythe winner.

Sports fans pay enormous amounts of money to see their teams play.  They have just as much right to boo as cheer.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Fiedlers Choice on Jun 10th, 2003, 2:00pm
While I usually disagree with Stegeman, I agree on this one.  The fans should have taken the high road.  They were elated that they won and not bitter that they lost.  I could almost understand booing if the situation were reversed and the Ducks won on the road and the fans boo'd because they were pissed that they lost.  Either way, they have a right to boo, but it is pretty scummy.

I agree that such stereotypes are sometimes blown out of proportion.  However, I am not stereotyping.  I lived in S. Jersey for several years and have noticed a huge difference in the attitude of Philly teams when compared to NY teams.  Just listening to Philly sports radio stations is mind-blowing.  That being said, there are always examples of good and bad in everything.  I think Philly's reputation is well-deserved.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 10th, 2003, 2:51pm
Yeah, I was at the game where we *ahem* THEYYY chucked batteries at JD Drew. That was aweso--*ahem* awful. Just awful.  ;D

Didn't we also cheer when Irvin was devastated?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 10th, 2003, 3:41pm
Great posts, D.B., Phil and J.C.!  Interesting thoughts and viewpoints!

Honestly, in response to Philly's post, my commentary is probably more just on American males than it is on any particular group/region of fans.  Rather timely statement here... we American males really do have ourselves in a bit of a rut where actin' stupid, boisterous, reckless and cocky seems to rule the day.  We really do look like a bunch of brutes, boors and philistines to many people around the globe.  That having been said, Philadelphia's lack of luck to win championships does seem to be a bit "karmicly" (loose usage both grammatically and definitionally) just.  I do have to admit, though, with regards to regional behavior patterns, I have been to football, basketball, hockey and baseball games both on the professional and collegiate level in New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia and out in Denver, and I must say that OVERALL Denver fans seemed to be more well-mannered than at any of the arenas or stadiums back in this area, New York/New Jersey/Philadelphia.  I mean I am not stupid.  I know the emotions sports evokes in people.  That having been said, regardless of the team I am rooting for, I have sat around some pretty atrocious fans in this area vis-a-vis Denver.  For example, I can remember sitting with my MOM in Giants Stadium just surrounded by a barage of "fuck's, shit's, asshole's, etc., etc." (and, trust me, I too speak fluent "French" if ya' know what I mean, but I know where and when to and where and when NOT to, although in this day and age it seems to have become acceptable at "PUBLIC" sporting events), spoke, for all intents and purposes, with indignation back towards my older mother (the day ended up eh); yet, I remember bringing my WIFE and MOM to a Broncos game at Mile High Stadium, sitting in roughly an equivalent part of the stadium as the prior incidence, and a guy, a gruff lookin' guy at that, apologizing to us for slipping and saying "damn" and then people just taking notice and being considerate of the older lady (my mom) and even the, somewhat obviously I guess, foreign Asian girl (my little, in stature, Korean wife) and controlling their language (the day ended up a wonderful treat for all and a great experience that my wife took back to her land).  We all know about the "big stories" that make the news.  They just suck, but are probably aberrations, I would hope, at least with regards to their magnitude, and have nothing to do with georgraphic location (though Philadelphia does seem to push that reasoning, I must admit).  But, as for my personal experience of the "day-to-day, run-of-the-mill" conduct of sports fans, I saw a HUGE difference between Denver fans and New York tri-state area/Philadelphia fans.  There I rarely, if ever, worried about getting my back up and getting into a fight; whereas, at stadiums and arenas here, it just seems like the potential for a fight to break out is, well, "in the air". [smiley=shrug.gif] I mean you can defend boorish behavior 'til your blue in the face. [smiley=smurf.gif] It's easy; it's "what's in"!  The high road is the tougher sell, but the one we need to see a little more of on our shelves, so to speak. [smiley=zenmaster.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 10th, 2003, 3:43pm

on 06/10/03 at 08:50:25, Philly wrote:
Oh great... another parade in a parking lot in a swamp.  Seems like all the undeserving teams win championships.  The Buccaneers had what, like 25 people show up for their victory parade?  Someday, when that evil curse is lifted off of Philadelphia, everyone will see what a real victory parade should look like.

Sincerely,
Philly (who lives in Jersey but hates the Devils)


Typical Eagle's fan making some kind of nonsense story, just to make the ass kicking dealt by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, seem less... how do you say... embarassing? Do I have to remind you that that was ALSO the LAST GAME AT THE VET? Just making sure you remember.  ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 10th, 2003, 4:47pm

on 06/10/03 at 15:43:00, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Typical Eagle's fan making some kind of nonsense story, just to make the ass kicking dealt by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, seem less... how do you say... embarassing? Do I have to remind you that that was ALSO the LAST GAME AT THE VET? Just making sure you remember.  ;D


Yes, I'm still bitter about losing to the Bucs.  (Is Jurevicius still running??)   [smiley=boxer.gif]   [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

But seriously, there was a very small turnout for the Bucs Super Bowl parade.  I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think it was around 20,000-30,000 or so - even less than turn out for a regular season game against Carolina...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 10th, 2003, 5:11pm

on 06/10/03 at 15:41:02, StegRock wrote:
we American males really do have ourselves in a bit of a rut where actin' stupid, boisterous, reckless and cocky seems to rule the day.  We really do look like a bunch of brutes, boors and philistines to many people around the globe.

Generally, in such cases (especially at sporting events), there is excessive alcohol consumption involved.





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I must say that OVERALL Denver fans seemed to be more well-mannered than at any of the arenas or stadiums back in this area, New York/New Jersey/Philadelphia.

Yeah, they only throw batteries at their own team's players (Dale Carter in 1999).   [smiley=broncofan.gif]





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I mean you can defend boorish behavior 'til your blue in the face.  It's easy; it's "what's in"!  The high road is the tougher sell, but the one we need to see a little more of on our shelves, so to speak.

I'm certainly not defending boorish behavior - like the fighting, swearing, object throwing, etc.  I just want to point out that it happens everywhere - not just NJ or NY or Philly.  I'll challenge anyone to find a post (among my 900+) here where I've used obscene language.  If I don't use it here (where it is almost encouraged by a certain site owner ;) ) then I certainly wouldn't use it in a public venue like a stadium or arena.  I've been to plenty of sporting events in Philadelphia (Eagles, Flyers, Phillies) and have never thrown anything, never sworn, never had an alcoholic beverage, never cheered an injury, etc.  But I have booed!  And, after all, that is what you were initially irritated about - the booing of an opposing player by the Devils' fans.  Booing is merely an expression of disapproval.  Just as fans have a right to cheer, they have a right to jeer.  Booing is a way of life in Philadelphia.  We boo our own players when they don't put forth the effort we expect.  In a time when fans give their hearts to a team, only to have players make comments about how they don't care about the fans while they seek even larger contracts, fans have every right to be critical.

If you'd prefer to argue about the boorish behavior, I can certainly find examples throughout the country that are much worse than anything that has happened in Philadelphia.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 10th, 2003, 5:28pm
I am glad and proud to be a Philly fan!!!



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I'm certainly not defending boorish behavior - like the fighting, swearing, object throwing, etc.  I just want to point out that it happens everywhere - not just NJ or NY or Philly.


It is crazy, but I am glad they are on my side.  Never have to worry about getting my ass kicked.  Hell, I go to FedEx field to watch the Eagles-Skins almost every year and the Redskins fans get their asses kicked by Eagles fans at their own stadium.



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have never thrown anything, never sworn, never had an alcoholic beverage, never cheered an injury, etc.  But I have booed!
 

Fuck all of you who aren't Philadelphia fans! (especially you KJ!)   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]


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Booing is merely an expression of disapproval.  Just as fans have a right to cheer, they have a right to jeer.  Booing is a way of life in Philadelphia.


WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?  Nothing?  Then you get BOOED.

Hell, Destiny's Child deserved to be booed for wearing a Lakers Jersey.  


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We boo our own players when they don't put forth the effort we expect.  In a time when fans give their hearts to a team, only to have players make comments about how they don't care about the fans while they seek even larger contracts, fans have every right to be critical.


AMEN!!!  Sing it to me brother.


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the booing of an opposing player by the Devils' fans.

The deserved the right to Boo!!  Brodeur had more shut outs than the Ducks dude with the long friggin french name that I can't spell and can only pronounce.


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If you'd prefer to argue about the boorish behavior, I can certainly find examples throughout the country that are much worse than anything that has happened in Philadelphia.



We do get a bad rep as Philly fans.  Any other city does it and it is an isolated incident that is forgotten about.  Philly fans do it and it gets stored and brought out over and over and over.  As he said, enough with the Santa thing.

PHILADELPHIA fans love their sports teams.  I am proud to be one of em!!






Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 10th, 2003, 5:32pm
"We do get a bad rep as Philly fans."

But do we care? Hell nah. There's plenty of batteries and BOOS to go around!  ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 10th, 2003, 6:18pm

on 06/10/03 at 17:11:54, Philly wrote:
And, after all, that is what you were initially irritated about - the booing of an opposing player by the Devils' fans.


Remember, though, Phil, it is the above booing, which was over a very specific thing and very unlike the kind of booing you describe below, that I object to.  I see nothing wrong with the kind of booing you describe below!


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Booing is merely an expression of disapproval.  Just as fans have a right to cheer, they have a right to jeer.  Booing is a way of life in Philadelphia.  We boo our own players when they don't put forth the effort we expect.  In a time when fans give their hearts to a team, only to have players make comments about how they don't care about the fans while they seek even larger contracts, fans have every right to be critical.


Also, with regards to curse words, I am OBVIOUSLY not anally-retentive there.  Philosophically, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the utterances of the "F", "(short) U" and "K" sounds consecutively; it is just a matter of adjusting to one's surroundings and, moreover, being sensitive to, at least the fairly obvious, attibutes, like e.g. being elderly, of the people you are around.  But, whatever! [smiley=whatever.gif]

...

>:(

...  Oh, shit!  I just hit Jon with that battery! [smiley=doh.gif] Here they come!
[smiley=eagle.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif]     [smiley=awwgee.gif]-"(Whistling)"!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 10th, 2003, 6:33pm
Fans in REAL hockey towns (Montreal, Detroit, Boston, Denver, and even New York) would not have booed Giguere. I doubt even Flyer fans would have booed.

Broduer did play well in the final series, but Giguere was the MVP of the ENTIRE playoffs. Without him, the Ducks would have been out in round one.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 10th, 2003, 11:35pm
Not being a huge hockey fan, I only watched the last 10 minutes or so... I was hoping the Ducks would win, but I was hardly "upset" with the loss. After all, it's just hockey. ;) I did feel really bad for Giguere as I watched him cry... he was so close to realizing his dream and his face said it all, complete devastation. When I woke up this morning and heard "the reaction", I just shook my head... Did the fans have a right to boo? Sure they did. Was it the right thing to do? I think the answers obvious. [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 11th, 2003, 2:52pm

on 06/10/03 at 23:35:39, Walker Boh wrote:
Did the fans have a right to boo? Sure they did. Was it the right thing to do? I think the answer's obvious. [smiley=nono.gif]


There it is in a nutshell!

Thanks, WB, for cutting to the quick! [smiley=bow.gif] That's the pith that was getting lost in all of my verbiage!

[smiley=soapboxer.gif] "Rights!  Rights!  Rights!  It's my right to do that!"
We no longer live in the Renaissance.  You always hear about "rights" anymore when the action/behavior in question is either repugnant or questionable AND/OR selfish/self-serving.  It's about justifying what "I" want to do, moreover, if a bunch or majority of people, labeled oppressors, as if we are in 15th-century France, but who are really probably just being considerate of the greater population, thinks its improper.  Acting/Behaving according to "your" rights usually never leads to the high road.

[smiley=priest.gif] "Right!  It is right for me to do that!"
In today's political climate, it is almost like people are afraid to say, "I did it because it was the right thing to do!"  Acting/Behaving according to what is right at least implies a consideration for the outside world and those around you, which can lead to the high road.

...

"I booed Giguere because it was my right, not because it was right." [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 11th, 2003, 3:31pm

on 06/11/03 at 14:52:32, StegRock wrote:
There it is in a nutshell!

Thanks, WB, for cutting to the quick! [smiley=bow.gif] That's the pith that was getting lost in all of my verbiage!

[smiley=soapboxer.gif] "Rights!  Rights!  Rights!  It's my right to do that!"
We no longer live in the Renaissance.  You always hear about "rights" anymore when the action/behavior in question is either repugnant or questionable AND/OR selfish/self-serving.  It's about justifying what "I" want to do, moreover, if a bunch or majority of people, labeled oppressors, as if we are in 15th-century France, but who are really probably just being considerate of the greater population, thinks its improper.  Acting/Behaving according to "your" rights usually never leads to the high road.

[smiley=priest.gif] "Right!  It is right for me to do that!"
In today's political climate, it is almost like people are afraid to say, "I did it because it was the right thing to do!"  Acting/Behaving according to what is right at least implies a consideration for the outside world and those around you, which can lead to the high road.

...

"I booed Giguere because it was my right, not because it was right." [smiley=nono.gif]



HUH???

Heard a great stat today on the radio.,   Game one of the hockey finals on ABC did a 1.7 rating.  

Womens softball on ESPN over the weekend did a 1.6    Not too impressive for hockey.,  Can you see a DEAD sport???  I do.  

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 11th, 2003, 9:08pm
Well, this'll be timely given recent events for me personally and it seems like a good time for a little quote from Voltaire by our resident Philosopher [smiley=awwgee.gif] given Double D's post above:

"When he who listens knows not what he who speaks means and when he who speaks knows not what he himself means...  That is Philosophy!" [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

That's just great stuff! [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Except, I do know what I mean above! [smiley=yinandyang.gif] [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 11th, 2003, 9:18pm
I need some advice fellas..  :-/

Earlier today, I was pulling out of a parking lot. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee. As I was pulling out, I cut my wheel to soon, and kinda bumped into a mini-van.

I didn't stop or get out of my car, I just left thinking that it was nothing. I checked for damage on my car, and it was a small to medium sized dent on my bumper. There was a lady in the car next to my parking spot, who turned around and looked at me, I gave her a look of "what are you looking at" and she quickly turned around.

I think, or I'm hoping, no one else saw it, but chances are that's not going to happen.

I don't think to much damage was done, but I'm scared shitless because I was told that could be classified as a hit and run. I haven't told my parents... what should I do?

Oh yeah Steg, I was just joking about the Colts thing.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 11th, 2003, 9:27pm
I am not going to preach to ya' here, KJ.  In short, I would tell mom and dad immediately.  Be apologetic and make sure they understand that you realize that you've done wrong (which I think you do, but would be curious to know if you would be worrying about this right now if that lady wasn't there [smiley=hmmmm.gif] )!  That is what I would advise.  On that parenthetical note, though, do you think you would be worried right now if that lady wasn't there?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 11th, 2003, 10:32pm
What you should have done was stop and leave your name and number on the winshield of the car you hit. These kinds of things happen all the time, but leaving the scene made it a lot more serious. If I were you, I'd fess up to my parents and let them help you out of this potentially "criminal" situation. The fact that you even brought it up shows that you know you did the wrong thing... don't make it worse by trying to cover it up.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 11th, 2003, 11:33pm
Uh...disagree.  You SCREWED UP.  No doubt about it.  Shoulda left your name and number.  Not too smart.

BUT.....

What the hell can your parents do?  You have no idea whose car you hit.  You tell them, they get pissed, ground you.  They have no idea what car you hit.  Nothing they can do to make it right.  

SO.....do NOT tell them.  No good can come of it unless you know whose car you hit.    Just play dumb if it comes up later.  

You better make SURE there is no obvious damage to you Jeep.  Oh yea......think VERY positive thoughts.




Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 11th, 2003, 11:34pm

on 06/11/03 at 21:18:32, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
I need some advice fellas..  :-/

Earlier today, I was pulling out of a parking lot. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee. As I was pulling out, I cut my wheel to soon, and kinda bumped into a mini-van.

I didn't stop or get out of my car, I just left thinking that it was nothing. I checked for damage on my car, and it was a small to medium sized dent on my bumper. There was a lady in the car next to my parking spot, who turned around and looked at me, I gave her a look of "what are you looking at" and she quickly turned around.

I think, or I'm hoping, no one else saw it, but chances are that's not going to happen.

I don't think to much damage was done, but I'm scared shitless because I was told that could be classified as a hit and run. I haven't told my parents... what should I do?

Oh yeah Steg, I was just joking about the Colts thing.


Of course, now that this is a matter of public record here, this could lead to a little P.R. for "the Gridiron" if this becomes part of a criminal investigation! ;) God, I hope your town's police station and the county prosecutor's office in your area is choc-a-bloc with fantasy footballers. :fingerscrossed: [smiley=awwgee.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 11th, 2003, 11:59pm

on 06/11/03 at 23:33:20, DirkDiggler wrote:
What the hell can your parents do?  You have no idea whose car you hit.  You tell them, they get pissed, ground you.  They have no idea what car you hit.  Nothing they can do to make it right.

SO.....do NOT tell them.  No good can come of it unless you know whose car you hit.    Just play dumb if it comes up later.


[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Pullleeeeeeeze!  It's no wonder you don't get what I wrote above.  Did you just become a dad or what?  Some example for the kid, brother! [smiley=nono.gif] You tell your parents because when you are in high school and living at home, they have, ironically, a "right" to know.  Maybe they can't "fix" it; that ain't the point, ultimately, but they can be supportive (actually, they are the only people in a position to be so), while also implementing some parental discipline AND imparting their wisdom as adults, moreover "concerned" adults, to their son.  Keeping it from his parents will probably lead to stress while in telling them he can get their "interested" advice as parents, who care about him (rather than advice from a bunch of "disinterested" guys on an on-line message board, which as you can see thus far 33% of the time is absolutely terrible and obviously "unconcerned"), gain their trust in him regarding the situation, get them on his side early in the going, and grow positively from the experience, which should probably include a little just "parental" punishment.  That's some seriously terrible advice to give to a young fella getting ready to branch out to college, brother! [smiley=nono.gif] Talk about takin' the "low road"!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 12th, 2003, 12:37am
KJ,

Being in law enforcement, I can tell you that is exactly what it is: a hit and run. Even though it occured on private property (a parking lot is considered such) you still need to leave your name, phone number, insurance info on a piece of paper and put it on the winshield and tell thm you hit their vehicle. If any witnesses wrote your plate down and gave it to the minivan owner and they call the police, you can be arressted for 20002 VC, which is a misdemeanor.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 12th, 2003, 7:22am
I don't think I would be arrested, because I'm underage, but I did 'fess up to my parents, they were pretty god damned pissed.

Thank you all for the advice fellas, I feel a "little" not much better. I think they plan for me to go back to the place to see if that person is there.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 12th, 2003, 9:20am

on 06/12/03 at 07:22:49, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
I don't think I would be arrested, because I'm underage, but I did 'fess up to my parents, they were pretty god damned pissed.

Thank you all for the advice fellas, I feel a "little" not much better. I think they plan for me to go back to the place to see if that person is there.


You did the right thing...  Despite the quote at the end of each of Steg's posts, I am a firm believer in Karma.  What goes around, comes around.

Now, since you are a minor, all of the responsibility falls on your parents since they are aware of the accident.  If they choose not to report it, then they are accessories to the crime and as adults would have to take all the heat.   [smiley=sneaky.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 9:29am

on 06/11/03 at 23:59:11, StegRock wrote:
[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Pullleeeeeeeze!  It's no wonder you don't get what I wrote above.  Did you just become a dad or what?  Some example for the kid, brother! [smiley=nono.gif] You tell your parents because when you are in high school and living at home, they have, ironically, a "right" to know.  Maybe they can't "fix" it; that ain't the point, ultimately, but they can be supportive (actually, they are the only people in a position to be so), while also implementing some parental discipline AND imparting their wisdom as adults, moreover "concerned" adults, to their son.  Keeping it from his parents will probably lead to stress while in telling them he can get their "interested" advice as parents, who care about him (rather than advice from a bunch of "disinterested" guys on an on-line message board, which as you can see thus far 33% of the time is absolutely terrible and obviously "unconcerned"), gain their trust in him regarding the situation, get them on his side early in the going, and grow positively from the experience, which should probably include a little just "parental" punishment.  That's some seriously terrible advice to give to a young fella getting ready to branch out to college, brother! [smiley=nono.gif] Talk about takin' the "low road"!


KJ--

You made the decision to tell your parents.  Probably a good decision since you know the relationship you have with your parents.  None of us have a clue.  

Steg--



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Pullleeeeeeeze!  It's no wonder you don't get what I wrote above.  


Uh....If you are refering to the post regarding "rights", it is not that I did not "understand".  I just thought it was a little deep philosophizing about 15th century france compared to nj devils fans.  Being a history major, and especially studying the federalist era, I understood.  

Anyway.....

Ultimately there are decisions in life you gotta make.  KJ made the  decision.  Part of becoming an adult.  

I am a straight shooter in both my personal and professional life.  I tell it like it is.  I offer my opinions even if it is not what the other person wants to here.  I am not gonna pull any bullshit out my ass just to make someone feel better or to be moralistic.  Instead of lying about something, I just wouldn;t give an opinion.  

At the age of 17, no way in hell I would of told.  At the age of 32, hell ya I would of told.  I was putting myself in his shoes.   In this case there was damage so he would have probably been busted anyway, but puulleezze.....taking a chance of being busted going into summer of your senior year?  haha....no way most of you would of told.   Everyone here is taking the high road.

Even now however, there are times in life when telling the complete truth is not a wise thing.  I guess that last statement did not come out correctly.  I guess always volunteering to tell the truth when you didn't have even bring up the subject is better.  

For example.....when my wife pisses me off because she did something to annoy me.  Do I tell her everytime?  NO.  Why?  Cause most of the time it is something small and I can get over it.  Does any good come out of me telling her everytime i get annoyed? no!!!  If there is a pattern of her behavior that annoys me, then yes, I tell her.    

Another example, do you open your car door and scratch the car next to you?  Do you leave a note?  Hell no you don't.  My car is so dinged up.....not one friggin note.  

Another example, do I tell my wife everytime I flirt with another woman?  NO.  Does my wife tell me when she flirts with other guys?  NO.  I don't want to know when she flirts with other guys. Do i know she does it...yes.   What good comes of it?  Everyone flirts.....

So in conclusion.....I offered my opinion.  Maybe not what the "right"moralistic thing, but it is what I would of done at that age.  I am not here to preach to others.  I just tell it like it is.   Don;t tell me because I didn't give the "moralistic" advice I am not concerned.  That is an incorrect statement and flawed logic.  




Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Fiedlers Choice on Jun 12th, 2003, 10:01am
This is interesting stuff.  I will not give legal advice, but it reminds me of a story.  When I was that age (actaully I was 21 because it was a 21st b-day thing), my friends and I were driving back and the b-day boy had to puke  [smiley=alcoholic.gif].  The driver (sober) pulled into a parking lot but the guy had to boot so bad, he slammed his door into another, leaving a big dent.  The driver wanted to leave a note, the drunk guy didn't.  I suggested a compromise (that was followed) to leave a note with the guy's number and initials.  It is a good think we did because (after he dropped me off)  the driver got a call from the police because someone (I think we were in an apt. complex) saw or heard it and called the police.  The guy had to go to the station that night.  If no note, he would have been screwed.

The "right" thing to do was leave a detailed note, but no one wants to get in trouble.  There is a natural instinct to try to get away with it.  

I don't disagree with Dirk in part.  It is a moralistic "grey" area at that age.  Since he already left the scene, it may be too late to do anything.  On the other hand, he now told his parents, so you have to report it.

As for parental responsibility, it is actually the 17 year old that has the license and perhaps insurance, so he is on the "hook", until he told his parents.  

In all practicality, if he left a note, these things usually resolve by the driver paying for damage.  If you leave the scene without reporting, it believe it is a misdemeanor punishable by a big fine, points and possilbe suspension of lic.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Fiedlers Choice on Jun 12th, 2003, 10:05am
By the way, Dirk, tell your wife I said hi.  [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 10:50am

on 06/12/03 at 10:05:18, Fiedlers Choice wrote:
By the way, Dirk, tell your wife I said hi.  [smiley=hmmmm.gif]


Will do.  I'll tell her you said hello.  

By the way...just to clarify......I think he did the wrong thing to begin with.  He should of left a note.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 12th, 2003, 11:19am
Running comments as I read this thread for the first time:

1. I also lived in Connecticut from 6yrs of age - 13

2. The Mugsy story brought a tear to my eye.  :'(

3. Gotta agree with the Anika gripe Steggie - any time we lose a babe its a bad thing

4. Congrats Philly on the kid!

5. Steggie, tell me it ain't so!  Eastern Philosophy  [smiley=Uwent2far.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 12th, 2003, 12:23pm

on 06/12/03 at 09:29:51, DirkDiggler wrote:
Does my wife tell me when she flirts with other guys?  NO.  I don't want to know when she flirts with other guys. Do i know she does it...yes.   What good comes of it?  Everyone flirts.....


That's funny... I thought she was going to tell you about me and her, but as long as you don't want to know...

[smiley=wiseguy.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 12:47pm

on 06/12/03 at 12:23:20, Philly wrote:
That's funny... I thought she was going to tell you about me and her, but as long as you don't want to know...

[smiley=wiseguy.gif]


Ah...let me nip this one in the bud now.

Do I care uf my wife flirts?  Does she care if I flirt?  Not really. As long as she doesn't do it in front of me.  Do I think it is good for her?  Yes.  I think people need to have that ego boost every once and a while.  

The thing is that there is a big difference between flirting and hooking up or kissing.  I trust my wife.  There is a line which is to never be crossed.  I trust she would never cross it.  If she was to cross it, (or I was to cross it for that matter) I trust she would tell me. I can't go around wondering all the time if she is crossing that line.  I know she wouldn't and I trust IF she did she would tell me.  Again....flirting is innocent and no harm comes of it.
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Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 12:59pm

on 06/12/03 at 09:29:51, DirkDiggler wrote:
KJ--

You made the decision to tell your parents.  Probably a good decision since you know the relationship you have with your parents.  None of us have a clue.


You ABSOLUTELY made the right/"big" decision, KJ, if for no other reason than your parents are "concerned adults" who, ultimately, have your best interest at heart and, moreover, you will "grow" from it.

Now, there is also a very poignant point made in the second sentence there above, the essence of that point being that you don't know the households we, on a message board, grew up in.  I'll leave it at that.  This could go in a direction that could get VERY hurtful and nasty and I REALLY suggest we don't do it.  Nevertheless, that much that I point out should be made known to our younger statesman here.


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Steg--

Uh....If you are refering to the post regarding "rights", it is not that I did not "understand".  I just thought it was a little deep philosophizing about 15th century france compared to nj devils fans.  Being a history major, and especially studying the federalist era, I understood.


It is funny how people go back to the "original" argument, from which the discussion has evolved away significantly, when it suits them.  I NEVER made ANY mention of rights in my initial post.  All I basically did was give a "thumbs down" to "my fellow" (indicating my objectivity) Devils fans for booing Giguere.  The issue of "rights", which has a MUCH BROADER scope, came up and I took it in that direction in a way that I creatively, but basically validly decided to.


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At the age of 17, no way in hell I would of told.  At the age of 32, hell ya I would of told.  I was putting myself in his shoes.


GREAT...  17-year-old advice from a 30-something-year-old guy.  He could get that from his other 17-year-old friends.  One of the ways you learn to grow from making decisions like a 5-year-old, 12-year-old, 17-year-old, 21-year-old, etc., etc., is to "listen to your elders".  The advice you gave him he doesn't even need, in a way according to your very own logic... that's not even advice; it's confirmation of what he instinctively wants to do.


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Even now however, there are times in life when telling the complete truth is not a wise thing.  I guess that last statement did not come out correctly.  I guess always volunteering to tell the truth when you didn't have even bring up the subject is better.

(Example, example, example.)


I couldn't agree more... with what you state in your very first, "tell-it-like-it-is" sentence, from which you, ironically, or should I say paradoxically, back-pedal away.  I too do not believe that "telling the truth" is a universal maxim.  HELL NO!  And, for the most part, I agree with the examples you gave.  But, in a case like this, and let's get the action here correctly/more precisely defined, "fessing up" was with little doubt the right thing to do.  Look, going back to something alluded to above, if his parents were drunks and drug addicts, who really just let their kid "do whatever", which I was, granted, guessing was not the case given the kid's driving around in a Jeep Grand Cherokee, I would probably advise him NOT to tell them.  I "may" encourage his divulging it to a teacher, coach, school counselor, other family member or even priest, rabbi, etc., that he feels he has a close, trusting relationship with.  Every situation has its proper course and "telling the truth" or "fessing up" are not always or perhaps even usually the right option.  Here it was, if my instincts were correct, which I am, granted, guessing they were.


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So in conclusion.....I offered my opinion.  Maybe not what the "right"moralistic thing, but it is what I would of done at that age.  I am not here to preach to others.  I just tell it like it is.   Don;t tell me because I didn't give the "moralistic" advice I am not concerned.  That is an incorrect statement and flawed logic.


Granted this might not have been absolutely lucid as you would have had to read between the lines a little bit (this is one of these conversations that goes along much better spoken than written out on a message board), but my point was that you, any of us, are not, cannot be "concerned" like his parents.  I mean relatively speaking, to his parents that is, I don't even know this kid.  To that degree, my advice is "unconcerned" as well.  This whole environment lends itself to "unconcerned", "disinterested" advice when it comes to a real "personal" issue like this and what my point is is such a "disinterested", "disconnected" environment lends itself to both good AND bad advice; now, "frankly speaking", bad advice, that's what I thought your advice was.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 12th, 2003, 1:05pm

on 06/12/03 at 10:01:45, Fiedlers Choice wrote:
It is a moralistic "grey" area at that age.



I have to disagree here.  I see nothing "grey" whatsoever on this issue.  The absolute right thing to do would have been to leave a note or stay to talk to the owner.  At any point after the decision was made not to do that, the right thing to do at that point would be to make an honest attempt to make repercussions.

Even though I see this as an easy issue (in the right or wrong moralistic sense), it probably is not that big of a deal.

And as for the quasi-karma type of what goes around comes around thing: I believe in a type of instant "karma" in situations like this.  Spiritual wealth may come more from "doing the right thing" than any other source.  And from someone who has done his share of right and wrong things in life - spiritual wealth is probably the most important thing in life to strive for.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 1:09pm

on 06/12/03 at 12:47:29, DirkDiggler wrote:
The thing is that there is a big difference between flirting and hooking up or kissing.  I trust my wife.  There is a line which is to never be crossed.  I trust she would never cross it.  If she was to cross it, (or I was to cross it for that matter) I trust she would tell me. I can't go around wondering all the time if she is crossing that line.  I know she wouldn't and I trust IF she did she would tell me.  Again....flirting is innocent and no harm comes of it.
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??? Wouldn't it be the other way around then?  It's okay to tell me of your flirting escapades as they are innocuous and even a good thing, but as I believe we have a great relationship "between us" and as long as you still feel that you love me, do NOT ever tell me if anything further ever happens.  You think gettin' grounded during summer vacation is rough...  Ho, ho, ho, that ain't nothin' compared to confessing an affair to a significant other, no less a wife. [smiley=takinyours.gif] Suffice it to say, I know, both intuitively and empirically! [smiley=Uwent2far.gif] :P [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 12th, 2003, 2:15pm

on 06/12/03 at 13:09:17, StegRock wrote:
??? Wouldn't it be the other way around then?  It's okay to tell me of your flirting escapades as they are innocuous and even a good thing, but as I believe we have a great relationship "between us" and as long as you still feel that you love me, do NOT ever tell me if anything further ever happens.  You think gettin' grounded during summer vacation is rough...  Ho, ho, ho, that ain't nothin' compared to confessing an affair to a significant other, no less a wife. [smiley=takinyours.gif] Suffice it to say, I know, both intuitively and empirically! [smiley=Uwent2far.gif] :P [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


First off, DirkDiggler, I was just joking with you in that post about me and your wife...  ;D

Anyway, to address the issue in the quote above...  I don't need to know if my wife is flirting.  She doesn't need to know if I am flirting.  I feel that flirting is harmless, and, as DD indicated, probably even healthy.

But if she was ever to follow up on her flirting and take it to another level, I would absolutely want to know -- even need to know.  While flirting with another does not show a weakness in a relationship (IMHO), cheating does.  Once that proverbial line has been crossed, then there needs to be some serious analysis of the existing relationship.  Was it a one-time occurrence that can be addressed and forgiven?  Is it indicative of some more serious problems in (what I thought was) a substantive relationship?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 2:55pm

on 06/12/03 at 14:15:56, Philly wrote:
First off, DirkDiggler, I was just joking with you in that post about me and your wife...  ;D

Anyway, to address the issue in the quote above...  I don't need to know if my wife is flirting.  She doesn't need to know if I am flirting.  I feel that flirting is harmless, and, as DD indicated, probably even healthy.

But if she was ever to follow up on her flirting and take it to another level, I would absolutely want to know -- even need to know.  While flirting with another does not show a weakness in a relationship (IMHO), cheating does.  Once that proverbial line has been crossed, then there needs to be some serious analysis of the existing relationship.  Was it a one-time occurrence that can be addressed and forgiven?  Is it indicative of some more serious problems in (what I thought was) a substantive relationship?


Philly--

I know you were kidding!!  I just foresaw about 15 other people saying the same thing.  Wanted to "clarify" my statement.  Didn't want people to think we were swingers.   [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 2:59pm
Okay, let's take a step back here and define "flirting"!  Does anal sex count or can I check that off?

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 3:25pm

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Steg--

Uh....If you are refering to the post regarding "rights", it is not that I did not "understand".  I just thought it was a little deep philosophizing about 15th century france compared to nj devils fans.  Being a history major, and especially studying the federalist era, I understood.  



It is funny how people go back to the "original" argument, from which the discussion has evolved away significantly, when it suits them.  I NEVER made ANY mention of rights in my initial post.  All I basically did was give a "thumbs down" to "my fellow" (indicating my objectivity) Devils fans for booing Giguere.  The issue of "rights", which has a MUCH BROADER scope, came up and I took it in that direction in a way that I creatively, but basically validly decided to.

The post swayed away from booing?   Walker Boh states in the above post that the fans booed and he was surprised by the reaction.  Not sure how it swayed "significantly".    You reference the "original" arguement.  I was refrencing the post when you talk about rights with the soap box.  Thus my "huh" comment.  You assumed i did not understand.  WRONG!!  I am not a philospher and  didn't tie 15th century france into NJ devil hockey.   But, I just said "huh" and let it go. Granted,  you are correct I did not follow the jump to the MUCH BROADER SCOPE....but I don't think I was off "significantly". 


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.  Did you just become a dad or what?  Some example for the kid, brother!


Don't go there!  Just because I gave different advice does not mean i set a bad example or that my advice is bad.  You wanna talk about taking this to a personal level.....


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GREAT...  17-year-old advice from a 30-something-year-old guy.  He could get that from his other 17-year-old friends.  One of the ways you learn to grow from making decisions like a 5-year-old, 12-year-old, 17-year-old, 21-year-old, etc., etc., is to "listen to your elders".  The advice you gave him he doesn't even need, in a way according to your very own logic... that's not even advice; it's confirmation of what he instinctively wants to do.


Ah...I made a mistake here.  I meant to say that at 32 I would never even leave the scene.  (as I have stated a few times).  BUT, once I left, if I was 17 I never would not have told.  I would never be in the situation at 32 so it is a moot point.


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... with what you state in your very first, "tell-it-like-it-is" sentence, from which you, ironically, or should I say paradoxically, back-pedal away.

NO BACK PEDALLING HERE.....


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Granted this might not have been absolutely lucid as you would have had to read between the lines a little bit (this is one of these conversations that goes along much better spoken than written out on a message board),


Amen!!  I agree whole heartedly.  Can't read between the lines on a message board.  



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, "frankly speaking", bad advice, that's what I thought your advice was.



And this statement summarizes my arguement.  
The key to this statement is "What I thought".  IT IS YOUR OPINION.  Just cause I have a DIFFERENT OPINION and THINK DIFFERENTLY  than you does NOT make it wrong.  As I stated in my above post, I am gonna tell you what I think if asked.  An opinion can't be wrong.  


And finally...how bout those Eagles!!!!!




Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 3:30pm
[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
on 06/12/03 at 14:59:30, StegRock wrote:
Okay, let's take a step back here and define "flirting"!  Does anal sex count or can I check that off?

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]



[smiley=laugh.gif]

Usually that is the LAST thing you get.  So no.....NOT flirting.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 3:43pm
Okay, let me re-phrase, "...frankly speaking, bad advice, that's what your advice was."

Don't give me this "EVERY opinion is as valid or right as EVERY other" bologna.  That's a weak, relativistic stance at best and a juvenile one at worst.  There are better and worse, more-informed and less-informed, more-thought-through and less-thought-through, more logical and less logical "opinions"/"perspectives", not all are equal in value or accuracy.  Now, whether we agree or disagree that's another issue.  Obviously, we do NOT see eye-to-eye here.

...

And, maybe that's the last thing you get! ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 12th, 2003, 3:46pm
Note to self - cross anal sex off of the acceptable flirting list.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 3:58pm
[quote author=StegRock link=board=58;num=1051295537;start=150#168 date=06/12/03 at 15:43:30]Okay, let me re-phrase, "...frankly speaking, bad advice, that's what your advice was."

Don't give me this "EVERY opinion is as valid or right as EVERY other" bologna.  That's a weak, relativistic stance at best and a juvenile one at worst.  There are better and worse, more-informed and less-informed, more-thought-through and less-thought-through, more logical and less logical "opinions"/"perspectives", not all are equal in value or accuracy.  Now, whether we agree or disagree that's another issue.  Obviously, we do NOT see eye-to-eye here.

..quote]


Well...agreed.  Finally.  We agree to disagree.  And I am not even going to go into the thoughtfullness of countering the above statement.  





Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 4:04pm

on 06/12/03 at 15:46:05, bgsgfan wrote:
Note to self - cross anal sex off of the acceptable flirting list.


[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 12th, 2003, 5:20pm

on 06/12/03 at 15:43:30, StegRock wrote:
Don't give me this "EVERY opinion is as valid or right as EVERY other" bologna.


OK, since DD didn't want to touch this one, I'll take a whack at it...

Define "right" for me Steg.  Obviously, that is a very abstract term.  Is it right according to you?  If so, how did earn the title of opinion police?   [smiley=policeman.gif]

And maybe I'm taking your quote above in more general terms... Pro-choice or Pro-life... is one opinion more right than the other?  Some would say yes, but is it true?  Should pitchers hit or should there be a DH?  Again, differing opinions... I would argue that both are valid and neither is more right than the other -- just different.

OK... that's enough from me... Workday is done and I've got a softball game to get to.  Have fun with this one!   ;D


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 5:24pm

on 06/12/03 at 11:19:25, bgsgfan wrote:
Running comments as I read this thread for the first time:

1. I also lived in Connecticut from 6yrs of age - 13


I know this was responding to BW's post, I think, but, anyway, you didn't live anywhere near Wilton, CT, did ya'?  That's where Amy, my main G from college who is mentioned in "My Tribute to Mugsy", was born and raised!


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2. The Mugsy story brought a tear to my eye.  :'(


[smiley=thumbsup.gif] To me, bg, that is one of those stories that if you get it, you "get it", at least how I "get it"!  ...  No, not anally, Double D! ;) [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


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3. Gotta agree with the Anika gripe Steggie - any time we lose a babe its a bad thing


[smiley=thumbsup.gif] , yet again!  I didn't think anybody was ever going to respond to that point.  Thanks for picking that off... and out! [smiley=bow.gif]


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4. Congrats Philly on the kid!


Gridironer Member #10000 on the way, or, Phil, if you sign him up early, you could reserve Member #150 for the little [smiley=newbie.gif] tike! ;)


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5. Steggie, tell me it ain't so!  Eastern Philosophy [smiley=Uwent2far.gif]


Without a doubt, brother!  You had to know that one, though, no?  Look, if I want to be the Philosophy professor, writer, counselor and consultant, and, ultimately, Philosopher I want to be, I want to have a good grounding in the philosophies of "all peoples" as best as humanly possible... I want to be a well-rounded Philosopher, which is the only kind of Philosopher to be in my mind, and all of that means having good footing in both western and eastern Philosophies.  Ultimately, the foundation of the program at U. of H. is still western Philosophy, but a) with a greater emphasis on eastern-western comparative Philosophy, b) with more elective courses than usual in eastern Philosophy, and c) with the unique opportunity to specialize in areas of eastern Philosophy, which I think is what is necessary to counterbalance all of the western Philosophy I will inevitably have to digest during both the Masters and Doctoral phases as well as all of that that I already have had to during my Bachelors.  Note, though you never know which direction the "current of life" will take you, I do plan to switch schools after the Masters phase and actually go to a school where I can focus on the other important part of Philosophy, or should I say facet of being a Philosopher, I want to attain a solid grounding in, the Philosophy of Science, and, well, Physics. [smiley=wizard.gif] :o

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 6:10pm

on 06/12/03 at 17:20:13, Philly wrote:
OK, since DD didn't want to touch this one, I'll take a whack at it...

Define "right" for me Steg.  Obviously, that is a very abstract term.  Is it right according to you?  If so, how did earn the title of opinion police?   [smiley=policeman.gif]

And maybe I'm taking your quote above in more general terms... Pro-choice or Pro-life... is one opinion more right than the other?  Some would say yes, but is it true?  Should pitchers hit or should there be a DH?  Again, differing opinions... I would argue that both are valid and neither is more right than the other -- just different.

OK... that's enough from me... Workday is done and I've got a softball game to get to.  Have fun with this one! ;D


Whew, something fairly easy to answer, comprehensible, and conducive to groking whence I am coming, finally!  I don't know about those examples you gave, Phil.  My point is not about that kind of stuff.  It is a step above the simple "debate of 'issues', moreover, 'hot-button issues'".  Here is my point.  Anybody can opine on anything.  That is a reality of consciousness and the ability to reason!  The brilliant Stephen Hawking, who, let's for argument's sake say, knows nothing about American football, which he probably doesn't, can opine about American football if he so chooses, but I sure would not look to him for serious/insightful "takes" on anything football-related, no less specific hot-button issues like NFL expansion, the replay rule, expanding the playoffs, etc., etc.; on the other hand, I have "ideas" on physical realities of the universe, I am sure hardly even relevant to Mr. Hawking and though I can discuss revised theories of relativity to a degree, I am sure my "opining" will be extremely, well, novice to Mr. Hawking.  And, all of that should be.  Would you trust your grandma making decisions for your fantasy football team?  NO WAY!  Why not?  All opinions are of equal value, no?  Of course they aren't!  My point is not really one of which position is right.  It is more of, yea, any idiot with a mouth can speak about anything, but that doesn't make every person with a mouth right on every topic.  Now, don't go folding that statement back into the KJ-related argument because that would not be fair.  I am answering your question about "opinions", not necessarily specifically relating it to "D.D.'s opinion on the matter that was at hand".  On a side note, you will even notice that I avoid using the word "opinion" in my writing.  Frankly speaking, like my father, but more so based on my life-experiences, world-view and educational path, I have a real aversion to the word "opinion".  It seems to be overused to make everything okay and everybody feel good.  To me, it is a word with little "real" substance, but this is "a whole nother" discussion.  Oh brother! :gulp:

Now, get to your softball game, JW! :jealous: Note to self:  must get a life a.s.a.p.! ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 12th, 2003, 6:48pm
All I got to say about the posts above... lol.  [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 12th, 2003, 7:27pm

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 My point is not really one of which position is right.  It is more of, yea, any idiot with a mouth can speak about anything, but that doesn't make every person with a mouth right on every topic.



did you really answer the question?

It seems you just stated that anyone can say anything but they may not be right on every topic.  Am I correct in my reading of this?  

Well.....I just can't let this go.  So who is to say who the more knowledgable person is when giving an opinion?  

Who is the more knowledgable on the worlds creation...a scientist or a priest?   Who is more knowledgable about baseball.   George Will or Curt Schilling or Peter Gammons?  

So on that note...i THINK I  am dropping out of the conversation cause I think the conclusion will be that everyone can have an opinion, and it is an opinion on whose opinion is correct, and an opinion on whose opinion is more correct will be based on an opinion.  

**I do know that I need 420's help to get into the right mindset for this conversation. 

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2003, 9:12pm
OH, COME ON!  You are defying common sense here at this point!  Why did you get a degree, moreover, in history?  Why are there even schools?  Why even learn?  Why even read or listen at all?  I mean your argument is inane to the point that it is bordering on asinine.

Otherwise, the next time your gall bladder flares up, go have your mechanic check it out; the next time your car breaks down, have me look at it; if you ever need a translation into Korean, go ask your doctor.  I don't give a shit.  All of our "opinions" on everything are all equal.

As for judgment, it would all be better if we all looked sincerely within and policed ourselves, so to speak, asserting when appropriate and defering when appropriate.  But, when people don't, then, well, blah, blah, blah... in circles we go.

The one thing we all have some expertise in here is fantasy football, so let's get back on the main boards and get back to discussing and debating that. :whew: :P

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 13th, 2003, 8:42am

on 06/12/03 at 18:10:30, StegRock wrote:
Now, get to your softball game, JW! :jealous: Note to self:  must get a life a.s.a.p.! ;D


Don't be too jealous... we fell to 1-3 with a 14-2 loss to Bloomberg - no, the NY mayor didn't lace up his cleats for the game.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 13th, 2003, 8:57am

on 06/12/03 at 21:12:05, StegRock wrote:
OH, COME ON!  You are defying common sense here at this point!  Why did you get a degree, moreover, in history?  Why are there even schools?  Why even learn?  Why even read or listen at all?  I mean your argument is inane to the point that it is bordering on asinine.

Otherwise, the next time your gall bladder flares up, go have your mechanic check it out; the next time your car breaks down, have me look at it; if you ever need a translation into Korean, go ask your doctor.  I don't give a shit.  All of our "opinions" on everything are all equal.

As for judgment, it would all be better if we all looked sincerely within and policed ourselves, so to speak, asserting when appropriate and defering when appropriate.  But, when people don't, then, well, blah, blah, blah... in circles we go.

The one thing we all have some expertise in here is fantasy football, so let's get back on the main boards and get back to discussing and debating that. :whew: :P



Gee Steggie, all DD is doing is expounding on "there is no such thing as reality" and "everything is subjective".  After a few more years studying philosophy you may come to realize the wisdom of his words.   ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 16th, 2003, 11:19pm
There is no reality...just faith. [smiley=angel.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2003, 11:24pm
Yea, you're right!  I never heard of Reality Hill, but Faith is a sweetie! :-*

;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 19th, 2003, 12:57pm
I will be on vacation from July 2 to August 27ish, so it'll be highly unlikely I will be anywhere near these forums.

Though, as soon as I get back, I'm running that Yahoo! Gridiron League.

I will make it a LIVE Off-Line draft, so we can either do it on here(If Steg doesn't mind) or use MSN or AIM, either or.  That should be around the weekend, a few days before the kick-off the NFL, so be ready.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 19th, 2003, 2:57pm
Well, it's official!  Pamela Anderson [smiley=titflash.gif] is SINGLE again!
[smiley=wave.gif]-"Buh-bye, Kid Rock! [smiley=pimpin.gif] Hello, _ _ _ _ Rock! [smiley=jammaster.gif] " ;)
Gotta' get those divorce papers in order... on order! [smiley=proudAmerican.gif]

In all seriousness, Ms. Anderson is such a dumb ho, though.  She has been SO used... and used up!  Her lips gotta' be draggin'! :P

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 19th, 2003, 3:17pm
You see her in the Stripperella cartoon promos?  She's looking pretty fine in the ink medium...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 20th, 2003, 1:49pm
Well, yestereday I started something that is going to make me an  [smiley=alcoholic.gif]...

I am now the coach of my four year old's t-ball team!!

Had our first practice yesterday...my god, talk about chaos!

Some of the kids are pretty good, but there are two kids who absolutely can not throw a ball. Then there is my son who has his best friend on the team. They spent the whole practice playing tag with another kid. I spent most of my time chasing and yelling at them!

I was very tired afterwards...we'll have to see how our second practice goes on Monday. Whew!  [smiley=tired.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 20th, 2003, 1:56pm
My neighbor is also a T-Ball coach for his son's 4-year old team.  He told me that if I thought that having a (now) 4 week old was going to teach me patience, that I didn't know anything.  He's got 14 of those maniacs running around on his team and I imagine it is probably a lot like you just described.

I remember hearing stories about when I played T-ball.  As an outfielder I was always chasing and catching bugs instead of the ball.

God bless you BW... I think any youth coach (who at least has the interest of the youth first) should be nominated for sainthood.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 20th, 2003, 8:38pm
Well, not too much commentary on the t-ball thing other than to say great job, BW.  I mentioned the day that I went and took the GRE that I met up with a friend down in that area of Jersey.  What I did with him and his family was go to the ballfields and watch his two sons play ball, one little league, one t-ball/underhand slow pitch.  He "coaches" the t-ball team.  It was so wonderful seeing him be such a good dad.  It is a very admirable thing to be doing.  Our society and our kids need more dudes "stepping up to the plate" like that.  That's (part of) real "parenting", not that I know firsthand.

Now, I must digress back to something I can elaborate on, kicking the shit out of standardized tests [smiley=gettinhammered.gif] , well, at least the GRE. [smiley=awwgee.gif] After taking the test on the computer, you get your scores on the two multiple-choice sections right there.  But, you have to wait to receive your score for the writing sections by mail (that's right, two sections, one average score).  So, though my scores on the multiple-choice sections merited my believing I was done with that sucker, I actually was not 100% sure.  Well, I got the scores, all of them, in the mail today, and it is now "official":  I am NOT going to have to take that sucker again.  I slapped the writing section silly! [smiley=takinyours.gif] I suppose, looking back, "all" that writing practice, or should I say practice in writing verbosely, I get here [smiley=howtoput.gif] really was a form of study.  And, Philly, I guess all that time I spent studying for the obsolete-since-October analytical section :-[ ::) [smiley=LMFAO.gif] wasn't a total waste of time after all, or at least it didn't hurt. [smiley=whatever.gif] Whatever, though! >:( Bring it on ETS! [smiley=boxer.gif] I'll smoke that bitch too! [smiley=beatnik.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 20th, 2003, 10:10pm
Congrats Steve...glad you nailed it on the first try!!

Now you can really  [smiley=alcoholic.gif] it up tonight!!!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 21st, 2003, 2:27am

on 06/20/03 at 22:10:36, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Congrats Steve...glad you nailed it on the first try!!

Now you can really  [smiley=alcoholic.gif] it up tonight!!!


Yea, if "livin' it up" means "caulkin' a bathroom for 4 and a half hours on a Friday night and not being able to shower for 24 to 48 hours because the superintendent [smiley=smileytrash.gif] here is a fuckin' moron"! ::)

BUT, thanks for the good words, BW. [smiley=bow.gif] Yes, step one is now out of the way and I am ready to get to that island and hit those philosophy books! :P-"Whew!"  Soon it'll be Dr. StegRock to you all! ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 21st, 2003, 9:36am
I can just imagine what a hard life you are heading for:  sun, women, waves, some exotic beverage in your hand, binoculars around your neck, the white junk on your nose, under an umbrella, reading some Eastern philosophy textbook, laptop with cell phone modem resting unused while the Gridiron is taken over by impolite heathens who always post on the wrong board and never read the entire thread; and us left over here in the cold (literally and figuratively).

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 21st, 2003, 3:40pm

on 06/21/03 at 09:36:42, bgsgfan wrote:
...while the Gridiron is taken over by impolite heathens who always post on the wrong board and never read the entire thread; and us left over here in the cold (literally and figuratively).


This definitely won't happen!

The rest... well... [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 22nd, 2003, 5:01pm

on 06/20/03 at 13:49:06, BarnabyWilde wrote:
I am now the coach of my four year old's t-ball team!!


NOW I know why you're doing this, BW!  You want that trip to the White House!  Not to mention, you don't even have to worry about losing in the White House t-ball league.  Perrrrfeeeect!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 25th, 2003, 5:11pm


Been a good day!!  Went for my 3rd interview today for a new job with the same company.

I had to make a 15 minute presentation.  Sounds easy right?  They kicker was that I did not find out what I had to present until an hour before the presentation.  The other kicker, I was asked to answer four questions, providing data for proof.  I was handed over thirty pages ofspread sheets and other  information to sort through to put together.  NOT EASY!!!  Then after the presentation, they grilled me for more information.  

The really good news....got a call today with a job offer.  Corner office, Mo' money and 4 weeks vacation.  







Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25th, 2003, 5:14pm
Way to go DD!  [smiley=cheers.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by FourTwoOh on Jun 25th, 2003, 6:55pm

on 06/25/03 at 17:11:43, DirkDiggler wrote:
The really good news....got a call today with a job offer.  Corner office, Mo' money and 4 weeks vacation.  


Woo! Hoo!  [smiley=cheers.gif] [smiley=bonghit.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 25th, 2003, 7:43pm

on 06/25/03 at 18:55:12, FourTwoOh wrote:
Woo! Hoo!  [smiley=cheers.gif] [smiley=bonghit.gif]



I hope to celebrate with both your smileys  this weekend.


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jun 25th, 2003, 10:24pm
EXCELLENT JOB, Stevo!  Now you'll have more time for the more important things in life, your [smiley=newbie.gif] , your [smiley=hooters.gif] , and, of course, fantasy [smiley=footballsmiley.gif] ... and making future GBRFL "Summer Meetings" with less hitches. ;) Also, not to freak you out, but you may want to reconsider that [smiley=bonghit.gif]just in case there are any random drug tests.  You never know!  Anyway, in all seriousness, will the new job require you to move or anything like that?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jun 26th, 2003, 8:50am

on 06/25/03 at 17:11:43, DirkDiggler wrote:
Been a good day!!  Went for my 3rd interview today for a new job with the same company.

I had to make a 15 minute presentation.  Sounds easy right?  They kicker was that I did not find out what I had to present until an hour before the presentation.  The other kicker, I was asked to answer four questions, providing data for proof.  I was handed over thirty pages ofspread sheets and other  information to sort through to put together.  NOT EASY!!!  Then after the presentation, they grilled me for more information.  

The really good news....got a call today with a job offer.  Corner office, Mo' money and 4 weeks vacation.  




Congrats man!  I'm happy for you!   [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 1st, 2003, 6:22am
So, what are everyone's 4th of July plans?  [smiley=patriot.gif]

Me, I am going to sit out by the pool,  [smiley=alcoholic.gif] drink some brew, BBQ an assortment of meat, then watch some fireworks.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jul 1st, 2003, 12:38pm

on 07/01/03 at 06:22:01, BarnabyWilde wrote:
So, what are everyone's 4th of July plans?  [smiley=patriot.gif]

Me, I am going to sit out by the pool,  [smiley=alcoholic.gif] drink some brew, BBQ an assortment of meat, then watch some fireworks.


I'll be celebrating my 4th of July in a foreign country.  ;D

I hear it's raining over there now, in Spain though, which sucks considering the weather we've had here in Jersey for the past few months, and now that  the weather becomes beautiful here, I leave to Spain where there's nothing but rain.  :-/

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 1st, 2003, 2:07pm

on 07/01/03 at 12:38:43, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
I'll be celebrating my 4th of July in a foreign country.  ;D

I hear it's raining over there now, in Spain though, which sucks considering the weather we've had here in Jersey for the past few months, and now that  the weather becomes beautiful here, I leave to Spain where there's nothing but rain.  :-/


Where exactly are you going?  Because I heard the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.  Sorry, couldn't resist.




As I stated in the other thread... I'm driving up to Cape Cod, Massachusetts.  Staying at a Bed & Breakfast in the town of Sandwich (where I used to spend all of my summers growing up).

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jul 1st, 2003, 2:12pm

on 07/01/03 at 14:07:35, Philly wrote:
Where exactly are you going?  Because I heard the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.  Sorry, couldn't resist.




As I stated in the other thread... I'm driving up to Cape Cod, Massachusetts.  Staying at a Bed & Breakfast in the town of Sandwich (where I used to spend all of my summers growing up).


I'm going to Ourense, Galicia. Which can be found in the upper north-west of Spain. Right next to Portugal, where that big oil spill happened awhile back.(Hopefully the beaches aren't to bad still from that.)



Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 1st, 2003, 3:02pm

on 07/01/03 at 14:07:35, Philly wrote:
Where exactly are you going?  Because I heard the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.  Sorry, couldn't resist.




As I stated in the other thread... I'm driving up to Cape Cod, Massachusetts.  Staying at a Bed & Breakfast in the town of Sandwich (where I used to spend all of my summers growing up).



Damn Philly!  Nice getting away already after the kid was born.  Good for you.  Now the all important question.....has it been 6 weeks already?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 1st, 2003, 3:04pm

on 07/01/03 at 15:02:47, DirkDiggler wrote:
Damn Philly!  Nice getting away already after the kid was born.  Good for you.  Now the all important question.....has it been 6 weeks already?


It will be 6 weeks this Friday.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 2nd, 2003, 4:51pm
Do any of you live near a Hard Rock cafe?

I collect the tall shot glasses, and was wondering if any of you live near a HRC, if you could pick me up one. I have several, including San Francisco, Washington DC, San Juan, Los Angeles, Cancun, Paris, London, Phoenix, Baltimore, Las Vegas, Puerto Vallarta, and Honolulu.

If you could help me out that would be awesome!!!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 2nd, 2003, 5:01pm

on 07/02/03 at 16:51:41, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Do any of you live near a Hard Rock cafe?

I collect the tall shot glasses, and was wondering if any of you live near a HRC, if you could pick me up one. I have several, including San Francisco, Washington DC, San Juan, Los Angeles, Cancun, Paris, London, Phoenix, Baltimore, Las Vegas, Puerto Vallarta, and Honolulu.

If you could help me out that would be awesome!!!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Too bad you have the two near me, Washington and Baltimore.



Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 2nd, 2003, 5:04pm
Yeah, my wife is from the area too, I picked them up when we visited there... thanks though!!


on 07/02/03 at 17:01:17, DirkDiggler wrote:
Too bad you have the two near me, Washington and Baltimore.


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 2nd, 2003, 5:10pm
If/When I get up to New York, I'll try to remember to hook you up, BW.  By the way, you guys do know that the founder of the Hard Rock Cafe was a University of Denver graduate. ;D So, we'll see if I can't hook you up through the "back door" someday.  But, I digress, I'll be hookin' ALL YOU CBFLers up in the "back door" "cum" the start of the '03 season! [smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:23pm

on 07/02/03 at 16:51:41, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Do any of you live near a Hard Rock cafe?


When I get into Philly I'll grab ya one.  I'm heading to Minneapolis and Scottsdale/Phoenix in September (though you already have the Phoenix one)... Is there a HRC in Minneapolis?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 2nd, 2003, 11:23pm
One more request...also a Hard Rock pin with either the city or the anniversary pin. My co-worker collects the pins. Just let me know the total for the glass and the pin!!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 3rd, 2003, 4:20pm
Guys, just a heads-up here on something I just went about finally dealing with today.  NOW IS THE (long/capitalized "E") TIME TO CONSOLIDATE STUDENT LOANS!!  I just did today.  Yea, a longer term, but .4% less than what I was paying and 1.4% less after four years, AND, MOREOVER, a fairly hefty three-digit monthly student-loan payment down to a mere TWO-digits! [smiley=ohshit.gif] The positive ripple effect of this on my life and my future, financial and otherwise, is, well, going to be far-reaching! [smiley=havinablast.gif] If you got a tough nut to crack, get on this train a.s.a.p.  The representative I spoke with told me that NOW was probably going to be about as good as it gets. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I can't take any credit for the timing, though; just dumb luck on my part!  But, maybe for some "Gridironer" out there, it can be a premeditated stroke of brilliance! [smiley=sunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:09pm

on 07/03/03 at 16:20:15, StegRock wrote:
Guys, just a heads-up here on something I just went about finally dealing with today.  NOW IS THE (long/capitalized "E") TIME TO CONSOLIDATE STUDENT LOANS!!  I just did today.  Yea, a longer term, but .4% less than what I was paying and 1.4% less after four years, AND, MOREOVER, a fairly hefty three-digit monthly student-loan payment down to a mere TWO-digits! [smiley=ohshit.gif] The positive ripple effect of this on my life and my future, financial and otherwise, is, well, going to be far-reaching! [smiley=havinablast.gif] If you got a tough nut to crack, get on this train a.s.a.p.  The representative I spoke with told me that NOW was probably going to be about as good as it gets. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I can't take any credit for the timing, though; just dumb luck on my part!  But, maybe for some "Gridironer" out there, it can be a premeditated stroke of brilliance! [smiley=sunny.gif]


Yeah, I got a telemarketer call about doing the same thing.  I told them to mail the info to me, but I haven't sat down to read it yet.  I'm still trying to find the time to refi my mortgage.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 3rd, 2003, 7:37pm
Well, with telemarketers it is always like... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] I just did it through one of my two "current" (one lame-duck) lenders.  Actually, in this process, I learned that if it is done "aboveboard", switching lenders is NOT a given.  There are certain criteria, one of them deals with the number of lenders you have and by what agency you are paying them.  I actually started this by following up on a deal available to me by another lender by way of ATO.  It so turned out that I could not take that deal because of laws that are in place.  It ended up that my main lender gave me a better deal, anyway!  Point being, if it is represented to you, moreover by a telemarketer, that "it's no problem", so to speak, you may want to proceed with a wary eye.  It MAY not technically be a student loan you are consolidating your student loans to and it may seem like a good deal at the time, but when it comes to rough times and you need a forebearance or deferment, you may find yourself dealing with more of a "credit card-type" institution rather than a "student loan-type" institution, the latter of which is MUCH more reasonable to deal with.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 3rd, 2003, 8:11pm

on 07/03/03 at 19:37:46, StegRock wrote:
Well, with telemarketers it is always like... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] I just did it through one of my two "current" (one lame-duck) lenders.  Actually, in this process, I learned that if it is done "aboveboard", switching lenders is NOT a given.  There are certain criteria, one of them deals with the number of lenders you have and by what agency you are paying them.  I actually started this by following up on a deal available to me by another lender by way of ATO.  It so turned out that I could not take that deal because of laws that are in place.  It ended up that my main lender gave me a better deal, anyway!  Point being, if it is represented to you, moreover by a telemarketer, that "it's no problem", so to speak, you may want to proceed with a wary eye.  It MAY not technically be a student loan you are consolidating your student loans to and it may seem like a good deal at the time, but when it comes to rough times and you need a forebearance or deferment, you may find yourself dealing with more of a "credit card-type" institution rather than a "student loan-type" institution, the latter of which is MUCH more reasonable to deal with.


A lot of times when it comes to student loans, it is easier to go straight to the source.  Sallie Mae issues a HUGE amount of the loans out there.  Even if they were not the originator, (they sell to financial institutions)  they will consolidate for you.  I have found they have GREAT RATES on student loans.  Keep in mind, you can only refinance rates ONCE or  CONSOLIDATE once.  (they are the same thing under different terms)   Just go toSallie Mae.com

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 5th, 2003, 9:47pm
Holy Shit! :o The background music for the commercial for "Singer Smart Scissors" ($19.95) is background PORN music. [smiley=hooters.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=titflash.gif] I used to have the video.  It was one of a number I brought to Korea and left there.  I don't remember which movie it was.  Most of the videos I had, since I'm not one of these dudes who cares about the stories, ::) were just of clips from other other flicks.  BUT, the music is unforgettable.  I think Suzie Suzuki and the famed T. T. Boy were in this clip!  You know me with my Asian fettish AND it was a DP scene. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I used to watch this clip over and over (and picture my little oriental wife [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] [smiley=wiseguy.gif] ).  I think that is why the music is SO ingrained in my head.  ANYWAY, I couldn't believe I was hearin' this shit on a nationwide-played TV commercial, on FOX News Channel no less!
[smiley=jawdroppin.gif]
I knew there were reasons that I liked FNC beyond just the blah, blah, blah political BS. 8)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 15th, 2003, 9:41pm
If this fuckin' idiot announcing the baseball All-star game continues to insist on getting the time in Japan wrong, I swear I am going to jump through my computer screen and kick his ass.  There are people in need of jobs in this country, and this idiot can't add 13 hours to Eastern Standard Time correctly! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] The notion of "all-star" obviously doesn't apply to the announcers!  But, what can you expect from MLB, right?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 16th, 2003, 8:09am

on 07/15/03 at 21:41:50, StegRock wrote:
If this fuckin' idiot announcing the baseball All-star game continues to insist on getting the time in Japan wrong, I swear I am going to jump through my computer screen and kick his ass.  There are people in need of jobs in this country, and this idiot can't add 13 hours to Eastern Standard Time correctly! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] The notion of "all-star" obviously doesn't apply to the announcers!  But, what can you expect from MLB, right?


I had the game on TV, but it was muted the whole time so I didn't hear any of it.

Does the fact that we are not in Eastern Standard Time, but, rather, Eastern Daylight Time have anything to do with it?  Does the rest of the world set their clocks ahead in the spring and back in the fall?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 16th, 2003, 8:29am
There was a baseball game last night?

I can't wait for football season.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 16th, 2003, 11:55am

on 07/16/03 at 08:09:56, Philly wrote:
I had the game on TV, but it was muted the whole time so I didn't hear any of it.

Does the fact that we are not in Eastern Standard Time, but, rather, Eastern Daylight Time have anything to do with it?  Does the rest of the world set their clocks ahead in the spring and back in the fall?


No, they don't have any of that jazz, and, ultimately, that fact just makes his mistake bigger, anyway.  Right now, they are 13 hours ahead of us (in EST); when we fall back, they are then 14 hours ahead of us, i.e. further ahead of us (which would make his answer even "more" wrong).  Bottom line, though, when he was saying it was 8:30 a.m., rush hour, over in Japan at 9:30 p.m. here, he was WRONG.  It was 10:30 a.m. in Japan.  He maintained that mistake in at least one other instance that I heard.  That's just poor!  I put more effort into "getting it right" with my posts on message boards for goodness sake! [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2003, 6:26pm
Oh, Jesus!  I finally gotta' make a post about the passing of an evident immortal among mere mortals, Cuban Salsa singer Celia Cruz. ::) Now, my experience may be different than some of yours with our local newscast here coming out of New York.  It's probably similar in Miami, I can only guess based on the "education" I have gotten on this tremendous human being, for whom I could apparently hardly carry water.  Bottom line, nobody I know has ever heard of this woman, but for the last five or so days since she's passed our news broadcasts here have been inundated (relatively speaking) with news about this woman's passing.  For Christ's sake, there wasn't this much fuckin' coverage for and homage paid to Mr. Rogers (a genuinely pure spirit), Kathryn Hepburn (perhaps the greatest actress of the 20th century), Richard Crenna, Buddy Epson, and Lynne Thigpen (of The District, who died a sudden and truly tragic death) COMBINED.  I'm serious!  I don't get it!  It's as if this woman is up for sainthood or something. [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] She has not lived a particularly philanthropic life.  She was a Vegas-style show singer of Salsa.  She was old and had lived a long life, so it is not a particularly tragic story in that sense.  I mean, look, I am one who believes that every life has value.  But, that is exactly my point.  If I hear one more time that her casket is about to come around the corner or when the nth memorial service is going to be, I am going to projectile vomit.  What about all of our young people over in Iraq giving their lives?  Hardly a note on that anymore, relatively speaking.  It's time to let "it" and this woman, whoever she is, rest.  Is this what "diversity" in America now means? [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2003, 11:46pm
Okay, to balance out the negative energy of my pissy post above, though I stand by my words, I want to send out a little love to a couple standout athletes and the "movie-theme" type things they did this week:

1. No-name golfer Ben Curtis, who got a bit lucky, but still fulfilled his end of the deal.  He stoically, or "Stoicly", went about his business, focusing only on that which was in his sphere of influence.  His story is a great one of perseverance and I was quite touched by his humility and humanity.  Watching all those locals pulling for him at his Ohio golf club was awesome.  Congrats, Ben! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

2. Cyclist Jan Ullrich, who returned a favor and took the "high road" today and slowed down, basically stopped "racing", until Lance Armstrong was able to pull himself back up after falling.  Great sportsmanship!  Was it necessary?  No!  But, sometimes, doing the right thing does not mean that doing the opposite is wrong.  It ultimately was a standup move! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2003, 8:55pm
A report on that Salsa singer ate up another chunk of the news yet again tonight!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:35am
All that for a salsa singer.  There wasn't near that much coverage when the great Owen Hart and the even greater Classy Freddie Blassie died.  

What is this world coming too? [smiley=protest.gif]

Steg, ATO has got to go.  You need to get down with PiKappaAlpha, which everyone knows is the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

Wow, three wrestling references in one post. [smiley=toocool.gif] [smiley=toocool.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 23rd, 2003, 8:45am

on 07/23/03 at 00:35:30, PrimeTime wrote:
Wow, three wrestling references in one post. [smiley=toocool.gif] [smiley=toocool.gif]


And here I was thinking even one wrestling post would be too much...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:58am

on 07/23/03 at 08:45:56, Philly wrote:
And here I was thinking even one wrestling post would be too much...



You better not let Hulk Hogan hear you say that!!!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:10pm
I basically gotta' side with Philster on this wrestling thing.

But, anyway, PT, you gotta' get yourself a "PIKE" graphic to occasionally use as your avatar.  I know if you sift through this thread (I think it was on this thread), you'll find that I was asking dudes about their "Greek" fraternal ties.  I would love to see more fraternity representation here, especially from old-timers, i.e. not current, immature and obnoxious fraternity guys (who someday will turn out just fine, though).  They have better "things" to be doing, anyway (the implicit objectification of women like that [smiley=nono.gif] :-[ ). ;) I know I did! ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:25pm

on 07/23/03 at 11:58:30, PrimeTime wrote:
You better not let Hulk Hogan hear you say that!!!


Is he still alive?  I thought he died of excessive steroid use...  

[smiley=violin.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 27th, 2003, 11:30am
This past week has been kind of hectic for me, but I just wanted everyone to know I should be able to catch up on my Gridiron activities soon.  At work, one of the banks that finance us pulled a surprise move and decided not to renew half a million dolars of financing, so I have been scurrying to locate other options.  The financing is secured by farm/investment land.  the original bank would only finance up to 70% of the value of the land, curious if any finance experts are in the house and know where I could look for someone that would go higher than that.  Our company looks to be tripling its sales and we will need more cash.  Anyhow, I have been putting together projections and such for several presentations to local banks, but it should be settled down now as I have all the material organized.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by FourTwoOh on Jul 27th, 2003, 2:26pm
Philly, have you ever seen McNabb looking soooo good? Damn near perfect, actually! [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]

http://home.kc.rr.com/nsfw/pics/capt.1059244698.eagles_camp_pabb101.jpg


Saw him in that nice RED jersey, and had to go take a cold shower.  [smiley=shiteatingrin.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 27th, 2003, 5:50pm

on 07/27/03 at 11:30:36, bgsgfan wrote:
This past week has been kind of hectic for me, but I just wanted everyone to know I should be able to catch up on my Gridiron activities soon.  At work, one of the banks that finance us pulled a surprise move and decided not to renew half a million dolars of financing, so I have been scurrying to locate other options.  The financing is secured by farm/investment land.  the original bank would only finance up to 70% of the value of the land, curious if any finance experts are in the house and know where I could look for someone that would go higher than that.  Our company looks to be tripling its sales and we will need more cash.  Anyhow, I have been putting together projections and such for several presentations to local banks, but it should be settled down now as I have all the material organized.


BGSG--

I am a banker.  I have been in a few aspects of banking.  Where are you located?  (feel free to private message me)

First off, you are going to be very hard pressed to find a bank that will go than more than 70% LTV on land.  Land tends to be more risky to keep it's cash value.  However, some banks are more business friendly than others.....

As far as financing, you have a couple options.  For cash flow, I am assuming you are looking for a business line of credit.  I assume your business plan is all together showing how you plan to triple your sales.  (I have never met a business that says it plans to fail)

Hell.....I will send you a private message with my contact info.  I have LOTS of questions and I can see if I can help you.  Thanks!!










Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 27th, 2003, 8:35pm

on 07/27/03 at 14:26:04, FourTwoOh wrote:
Philly, have you ever seen McNabb looking soooo good? Damn near perfect, actually! [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]

Saw him in that nice RED jersey, and had to go take a cold shower.  [smiley=shiteatingrin.gif]


Apparently he looked good in the first few days (all the QBs reported along with the rookies before the veterans arrive on Monday).

McNabb weighed in at a huge 245 lbs, but his body fat percentage is less than last year.  He looks monstrous in that pic.  I wouldn't want to try to sack him.    [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 28th, 2003, 7:35am
Bitter Irony


As of 6 AM this morning I am now unemployed.  Note to self: remember this feeling and work to achieve financial independence (read: self-employment) so that I never have to depend on someone else for my living.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 28th, 2003, 8:23am

on 07/28/03 at 07:35:07, bgsgfan wrote:
Bitter Irony

As of 6 AM this morning I am now unemployed.  Note to self: remember this feeling and work to achieve financial independence (read: self-employment) so that I never have to depend on someone else for my living.


That's a bitter pill to swallow.  Best of luck in your job search.  I hope you got a sweet severence package.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 28th, 2003, 12:36pm
Hate to hear that, brother!  If you need to talk,...  Anyway, [smiley=thumbsdown.gif] to them!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 28th, 2003, 2:24pm
No severance... thinking about blackmail though.  His wife has the money and he would not want her knowing many of the things I know.

Nahhhhhhhhh, I can't do that.

I got a job today as a car salesman.  I always wanted to try that.  They talk about these huge avg pays... I really doubt it, but its a job and who knows???  They also said with my background I could get promoted from within easily, and that I do believe.  I do know its going to put a crimp in my FF habit (damn them expecting me to work).

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Jul 28th, 2003, 4:16pm
You don't waste any time being unemployed...

What kind of cars are you selling?  I'm looking for a great deal on 3-Series coming off-lease.  

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Jul 31st, 2003, 1:53pm

on 06/09/03 at 13:47:34, StegRock wrote:
...  Ultimately, though, I am going back to school with a dream school in mind,...  That having been said,... I did go and look into reach programs for me to apply to.  ...  But, bottom line, the more research I did, the more I was pushed back toward my dream school, the University of Hawaii,...  So, based on a litany of reasons that was only added to while looking into other schools (I mean while I was looking at other school's sites, I found myself almost invariably saying, "Well, there's another reason for me to go... to the University of Hawaii!"), a "Rainbow Warrior" I am destined to become.


Well, fellas, it's ALL out of my hands now, literally and figuratively.  Just completed the very last step of the process, the submission of a sample paper (and a cover letter).  Sent it out just about an hour ago.  All else is done.  Now, I just gotta' wait it out [smiley=ontheclock.gif] [smiley=nervous.gif] and hope for the best. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] Hopefully, I will be philosophizing [smiley=zenmaster.gif] about this and that on the "big island" [smiley=sunny.gif] come January. [smiley=snowman.gif] ;) [smiley=tonguin.gif]

...

The immediate good news is I'm back to full-time fantasy football [smiley=footballsmiley.gif] for a little while and the GBRFL2 is finally about ready to kick off. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Bob_Oswego on Aug 2nd, 2003, 4:17pm
Good Luck with it , Hawaii Rainbow Warriors, Pro Bowl site and beaches and wow sounds like a tough decision.

Good Luck, what would you be doing/taking in Book 'em Dano land?

I will be away the next two weeks to visit my daughter in Connecticut, but I am in, I will spend a day at the Pats and Giants Training Camps and will now watch the teams with a lot more interest so I can post upon return.  



Hope to get lots of details

Thanks for all your work  :)


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Aug 2nd, 2003, 8:27pm

on 07/31/03 at 13:53:32, StegRock wrote:
Well, fellas, it's ALL out of my hands now, literally and figuratively.  Just completed the very last step of the process, the submission of a sample paper (and a cover letter).  Sent it out just about an hour ago.  All else is done.  Now, I just gotta' wait it out and hope for the best.  Hopefully, I will be philosophizing about this and that on the "big island" come January.


How soon do you expect to find out?  When you're there, I expect that we'll all have an open invitation to stop by and talk philosophy and FF with you in your oceanside cabana...   [smiley=sunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 4th, 2003, 9:11pm

on 08/02/03 at 16:17:36, Bob_Oswego wrote:
Good Luck with it , Hawaii Rainbow Warriors, Pro Bowl site and beaches and wow sounds like a tough decision.

Good Luck, what would you be doing/taking in Book 'em Dano land?

I will be away the next two weeks to visit my daughter in Connecticut, but I am in, I will spend a day at the Pats and Giants Training Camps and will now watch the teams with a lot more interest so I can post upon return.  

Hope to get lots of details

Thanks for all your work  :)


Bob, going back for my M.A. and Ph.D. in Philosophy.  Gotta' do both that way; that's the way the program is set up there.  Can't wait!  My going back to school is LONG OVERDUE, to say the least!

Anyway, looking forward to your team reports and thanks for the thanks! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, on a different topic, did ANYONE see that wicked injury that dude sustained trying out for "Slamball"?  HOLY SHIT! [smiley=ohshit.gif] MY GOD!  Talk about appendage dangling from one's body; this guy's foot was literally hanging by just the skin. :P Anyway, TNN, "the first channel just for men", is where you can catch slamball.  The show that has the injury is the "slamball tryouts" show.  I betchya' they re-run it frequently.  As for the fella's health, they were able to save his foot and he is able to walk again, thank God.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 4th, 2003, 11:09pm
I was watching that with my 9 yr old son.  We watched a few slamball games last year and we liked it.  Anyway, he called me in to watch the selection show.  When I saw it I couldn't believe it [smiley=nono.gif] [smiley=nono.gif]  You are right, it looked like it was only hanging on by the skin.  

The wierd thing is that there wasn't a lot of blood. [smiley=hmmmm.gif] [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Then they showed the x-rays.  Ouch!

I'm glad the foot was saved and that he can walk.  

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by ZAGS on Aug 5th, 2003, 7:14pm
I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, but then again I don't care!  Please stop sending me e-mails asking me to particapate in any thing that has to do with the Gridiron, or any league that has anything to do with it!  How fucking sad is a league that has to send out mass e-mails just to fill up spots! Thanks in advance, for not getting anymore of your e-mails

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 5th, 2003, 8:38pm

on 08/05/03 at 19:14:11, ZAGS wrote:
I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, but then again I don't care!  Please stop sending me e-mails asking me to particapate in any thing that has to do with the Gridiron, or any league that has anything to do with it!  How fucking sad is a league that has to send out mass e-mails just to fill up spots! Thanks in advance, for not getting anymore of your e-mails


First, ZAGS, I am actually going to compliment you on inconspicuously making this post of yours here in "the Bleachers".  HOWEVER, what I do not get is why you do not just take care of this yourself.  You can simply do so by DELETING YOUR ACCOUNT!  To DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT, just click "Profile" above; scroll to the bottom of your "Edit Profile" page, and then simply click "Delete User".  Poof, no more connections to this place and its mass e-mails!  You will then have nothing to do with anything related to "the Gridiron" ever again. [smiley=havinablast.gif] So, just do what you got to do; take care of business and SOLVE "THE PROBLEM" YOURSELF.  If, "for some reason", you cannot figure out how to do this for yourself, just make a post here telling me to do it for you and I gladly will. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Otherwise, shut your trap and stop complaining and sending me harassing "Fuck you Steve" e-mails!  I will say this, nevertheless though...  I don't hold grudges... really, and notwithstanding what has transpired here, you are still welcome to hang out here within the set structures of the environment.  I can't guarantee a warm welcome back, but...  Again, your options:  DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT or stay and deal, with the former probably being the better option for you.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2003, 4:41pm
Just so the record shows it, ZAGS visited here at around 4:00 this afternoon and his account was NOT deleted, so... [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2003, 4:56pm

on 08/06/03 at 16:41:59, StegRock wrote:
Just so the record shows it, ZAGS visited here at around 4:00 this afternoon and his account was NOT deleted, so... [smiley=whatever.gif]


The dude's here again RIGHT NOW... been here for at least about 5 minutes!  And,... [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2003, 5:01pm

on 08/06/03 at 16:56:02, StegRock wrote:
The dude's here again RIGHT NOW... been here for at least about 5 minutes!  And,... [smiley=whatever.gif]


And, he's gone again... account intact! [smiley=shrug.gif] I don't get this guy. [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2003, 6:00pm
Just to give you guys a glimpse into my world behind the scenes, when it comes to dealing with faceless internet freaks.  Here is an e-mail I just received from our boy [smiley=dick.jpg] ZAGS here:

Why should I have to delete anything? You are the one sending out the e-mails! If you don't like my responses to your e-mails stop sending them, you are the one who gets offended when I tell you to fuck off! So if you keep sending me e-mails you will keep getting responses like, you are a real piece of shit Steve! Now go tell your mommy you are hungary for dinner, and call Philly and tel him to come over, you are ready for your nightly ass fucking. By the way your site is very boring now that the SBFFL has left,plus your post count is way down, not to mention Jeff has created a site just like yours, except we have more smileys to choose from, and no assholes like you to deal with!

It is the likes of this kind of ilk and the headaches and bad days they give me that make me think twice about doing this all, no less for FREE.  People wonder why bad things happen in the world...  Clue in:  it's individuals like this that create all the problems (out of nothing), aggravation and heartache.  But, the GOOD GUYS, thank "goodness", we have here on "the Gridiron" make up for the few bad apples that have come through.  I do have to admit that it does make me REALLY GENUINELY happy to see the quality of guys we attract and the kind of scum we repel.

Anyway, here is my response... enjoy: [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

You say you want no part of "the Gridiron".  So, why do you want to maintain a membership?  You are an attention-deprived, self-contradictory mental midget!

By the way, post count: DON'T CARE, NEVER HAVE; the site is boring without the SBFFL, PULLLLLEEEEEEZE, get over yourselves; you guys only provided drivel for the most part, one-line drivel at that!  You say, "Jeff has created a site just like yours, except we have more smilies to choose from."  SO YOU GUYS ARE COPYCATS!  You guys still use the graphics Jon made at your site and call yourselves SBFFLers, both unoriginal products not of ANY of your small minds.  You guys have NEVER had an original thought, especially you, tard boy.  And, of course you have no assholes to deal with, besides each other; you just have an externally-hosted league message board, like 100's of other leagues do, of 17 LEAGUE members.  Killer, dude!  Rock on!  The Shit Bag FFL, the members of which couldn't even comport themselves in a public environment appropriately and had to crawl back under their rock, is GREAT!  Just GO AWAY already and stop acting like a stalker freak!


I mean... how else do you deal with this level of human being? [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on Aug 6th, 2003, 6:24pm
I don't think the numbskull understands the emails get sent to all members at once. That's correct, right Steve? There's no way you do that all manually!  :o

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2003, 6:51pm

on 08/06/03 at 18:24:29, Cirrinone wrote:
I don't think the numbskull understands the emails get sent to all members at once. That's correct, right Steve? There's no way you do that all manually!  :o


I don't think he did, either, Jon.  I think he does now, though.  BUT, in any case, there are ANY of a NUMBER of ways for him to stem the e-mails on his end:  he could have e-mails coming from @fantasyfootballer.com BLOCKED; or he could have simply changed the e-mail address in his profile to a bogus one, the measure I just finally had to take. [smiley=shrug.gif] Even though I can do whatever the hell I want, I just don't want to delete his or anybody's account without express permission.  I suppose it is my "ethical" side shining through. ;D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 6th, 2003, 11:48pm
Steve, give me the power for a few minutes and I'll delete his ass for you. [smiley=downthetubes.gif]

Jealously is so pathetic! [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by ZAGS on Aug 7th, 2003, 1:50pm
Fuck you Steve, and the rest of you pieces of shit!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Cirrinone on Aug 7th, 2003, 1:55pm

on 08/07/03 at 13:50:21, ZAGS wrote:
Fuck you Steve, and the rest of you pieces of shit!


A very intellectual fellow with worlds of intelligence just seaping through his pores. Yale graduate? Harvard? School of Hard Knocks? Yeah that sounds about right. If you hate the Gridiron so much, why keep checking it out ZAGS? Jesus, get over it. Delete your account and nothing will be sent to you. If not, just delete the emails when they come to you. No need to sit and finger-peck at the keyboard typing your ignorant response to Steve. The way those brain cells work, it must take many hours, and if you hate the place so much, why use the effort? Someone needs a life if you ask me...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2003, 2:13pm
This is the e-mail I just got from [smiley=dick.jpg] :

I knew I could make you delete my membership! Now leave me alone you fucking asshole!

Leave him alone!  Gotta' love it!  Jon, it's not just a matter of "getting a life" for this guy.  He's a certifiable sicko... and a tool.  He thinks I deleted his account and, moreover, he gets satisfaction in that.  It's quite obvious the dude's got problems, mental, psychological, emotional and/or otherwise... a wife- and child-beater, in the least, in the works.  The world would be better off with less of his kind.

[smiley=wave.gif] Buh-bye, freaker!  We'll enjoy makin' fun of you and the SBFFL for years to come.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 7th, 2003, 3:20pm
Is his email address for real?  ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2003, 4:11pm
Well, BW, I am not sure if it is @Iamanidiot.com or @rejects.net! ;D

In any event, the irony of it...  On the very same day that scumbag boy gets himself thrown out, we get a class act like Greg Kellogg of FantasyAsylum to join!  Made even more poignant after my spiel about how we on "the Gridiron" attract cool, even-tempered, fair-minded guys and repel the assorted geeks and freaks!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 7th, 2003, 4:12pm
What is the link to the SBFFL site.  I just have to check that out. [smiley=evil.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2003, 4:17pm
Their site's nice, in all fairness.  You would never realize the rejects that are behind the scenes from the look of the site.  In any case, it is located at:
http://www.slatebeltffl.com.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2003, 4:42pm
I just gotta' share some of this stuff...  Look at this second-grade logic on display; it is a message I just received from the webmaster/commissioner of the Shit Bag FFL whom I, to be totally honest, "cc" most e-mails I send to ZAGS as he is the chap who introduced this ilk into my life (a guy I once even spoke on the phone with to give him a hand with his site):

Fuck off! God you're pathetic! Leave me fucking alone! I have deleted my membership! Get a fucking life! I have found better sites and better message boards.... I'm sure he's a class act until he says something you won't like anyway...

For those of you who know the late history regarding the Fantasy Football League Alliance (FFLA) and the DBFFL, it's "something" watching this fool go in circles with his reasoning.  As Shawn of the DBFFL was at that time, I think Jeff here, too, is all in an angry tizzy, moreover, probably because the likes of Justin Voiles, ZAGS, fuels his fire.  Doesn't this moron get it/see that we... I have ONLY had ONE "problem" (most forums have more and I am sure we will, too, as we grow) with a guy NOT IN THE SBFFL (or DBFFL, but they never hung out here anyway)?  How 'bout takin' a look in the mirror, dudes?  You guys are the ones with a "problem"!  Most everybody else here is just fine!  If not, they, being mature adults, just go their own way quietly without spewing their stink all over the place.

In any case, looks like everybody's gonna' get a nice bump up in their member numbers as "PA Outlaws" was member #12. [smiley=ohshit.gif] I'm gonna' get on that right now! [smiley=onit.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 7th, 2003, 10:03pm
I checked out the site.  It looks nice (I wonder where they got the idea for the green background [smiley=shrug.gif]), but htere isn't much on it.  No posts that I can see and only 17 members.  

Hey, If I sign up I'll be number 18 [smiley=victory.gif]  I can get in on the ground floor.

NOT

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2003, 10:14pm
On world news tonight, I saw that deluded Muslim extremist scumbag, who was responsible for the Bali bombings and was sentenced to death, during sentencing turn around to the families of the victims with his thumbs up, eyes fixed and bulging, all jacked up and smiling and giggling.  Look, I am not out of touch with reality...  The scope and impact of this tragic event is on a TOTALLY different level than what I "encounter" here on my little message-board forum.  But, ya' know what, the mindset and level of reasoning ability aren't.  That's what scares me!  This guy Justin is obviously sick in the head to some degree and who knows what he is capable of and what kinds of dreams he goes to bed with at night.  Moreover, I'm sure he doesn't even "see" any of this so as to be able to go get some help.  He just thinks his behavior throughout all of this is normal, like that Muslim guy thinks of his actions.  Moreover, he has friends enabling him, indicating to him that it is.  Very sad! [smiley=no.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2003, 10:32pm

on 08/07/03 at 22:03:35, PrimeTime wrote:
I checked out the site.  It looks nice (I wonder where they got the idea for the green background [smiley=shrug.gif]), but htere isn't much on it.  No posts that I can see and only 17 members.  

Hey, If I sign up I'll be number 18 [smiley=victory.gif]  I can get in on the ground floor.

NOT


Again, being a fair-minded, truthful guy, I must tell you that their site was green well before "the Gridiron" ever existed.

As for their board, I know you know this, but just to be clear for others, there would be no reason to sign up for it.  It's just a board for their league, primarily for smack talk.  It's not a full-fledged forum.  Not to mention, it's not a board they run independently on their site.  They just signed up for a board at proboards.com.  The really stupid thing about it is that, even though it is just for their league, it is littered with ads, including pop-up ads. ::)

In any event, having good people gravitate towards me and my site and repelling weirdos and nut cases actually makes me feel good about myself and who I am and what I am trying to do here.  It also makes me feel more of a kinship with the guys who do hang on here, which is actually integral to the goal here of achieving an environment with a personal touch and human feel.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 8th, 2003, 12:24pm
Keep up the good work Steg!!

This site is awesome [smiley=thumbsup.gif] and reflects all the hard work you put in.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 9th, 2003, 11:54pm
PT, thanks so much for the support! [smiley=bow.gif]

Now, on to the business at hand here...

How one-dimensional and NOT FUNNY is Molly Shannon?  They are doing "The Best of Molly Shannon" on Saturday Night Live tonight.  "The Best of Will Farrell" was last week; it was AWESOME!  This is just brutal this week.  She's just TERRIBLE! [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Aug 10th, 2003, 12:05pm
... Jeremy Shockey...   [smiley=no.gif]

...the homo...   :o


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Aug 10th, 2003, 10:09pm

on 08/07/03 at 16:11:27, StegRock wrote:
...we get a class act like Greg Kellogg of FantasyAsylum to join!  Made even more poignant after my spiel about how we on "the Gridiron" attract cool, even-tempered, fair-minded guys and repel the assorted geeks and freaks!



That is awesome!  I have been a "behind the scenes" fan of Mr. Kellogg for a while now.  IMO, he is one of the most insightful, analytical, and knowledgable FF "experts" on the net.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 11th, 2003, 7:02pm
Guys,

BE ON THE LOOKOUT!  THERE IS A NEW VIRUS OUT THERE THAT THE ANTI-VIRUS TECHIES HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP TO YET.  IT JUST CAME OUT TODAY.  I actually got it.  Thank God a mild version, though!  If, during your web surfing, you get the error message, "svchost.exe has generated errors...", you probably got it, too (that's the version of this virus I got).  In any event, I have heard that "they" are on it and that a fix should be ready pretty soon.  Gateway will be contacting me directly when they come up with one.  If any of you need a fix, feel free to contact me and I will give you whatever Gateway gives me.  Anyway, I am not going to be on-line too much tonight given all this.  I definitely don't want to spread the virus (if that's possible) and I surely do not want to tempt fate.  I was told that there are MUCH WORSE VERSIONS of this. [smiley=scared.gif]

Steg

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 12th, 2003, 12:53am
Steg, don't let them scare you away.  Thats what they want.  Buy a router and virus software and they will not be able to touch you.  If you are real paranoid, like me, you can also buy a firewall in addition to your router (even though it isn't really necessary)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Aug 12th, 2003, 7:28pm

on 08/11/03 at 19:02:09, StegRock wrote:
Guys,

BE ON THE LOOKOUT!  THERE IS A NEW VIRUS OUT THERE THAT THE ANTI-VIRUS TECHIES HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP TO YET.  IT JUST CAME OUT TODAY.  I actually got it.  Thank God a mild version, though!  If, during your web surfing, you get the error message, "svchost.exe has generated errors...", you probably got it, too (that's the version of this virus I got).  In any event, I have heard that "they" are on it and that a fix should be ready pretty soon.  Gateway will be contacting me directly when they come up with one.  If any of you need a fix, feel free to contact me and I will give you whatever Gateway gives me.  Anyway, I am not going to be on-line too much tonight given all this.  I definitely don't want to spread the virus (if that's possible) and I surely do not want to tempt fate.  I was told that there are MUCH WORSE VERSIONS of this. [smiley=scared.gif]

Steg


I got this too - it kept shutting down my puter when my modem was connected.  I set up a firewall and don't let "cvshost" do anything across modem and it has worked well.  Will keep updating anti-virus until they figure it out.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Tony_O on Aug 13th, 2003, 1:30pm
Steg, I have the virus too............Let me know if you get any info.........I'm having trouble logging onto my internet now as well.  BASTARDS >:(

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 14th, 2003, 2:58am
I am finally baahaaaack! [smiley=toocool.gif] Conquered this mother fucker in style. [smiley=pirate.gif] At this point, I am Nortonized, Ahnlab-ed, virus-free and firewalled (in, so to speak) (I wasn't even sure if I was going to have permission to get on the internet with all these barriers I got goin' on). [smiley=fireman.gif] I've scanned and I've manually extracted. [smiley=nerd.gif] This sucker is about as squeaky clean as it can be.  Hell, I even found out that this computer [smiley=sick.gif] has been carrying the Nimda virus for about 2 years now. [smiley=stars.gif]

In any case, Tony, I did see your message when I was on briefly earlier today and I am sorry for not responding earlier. :-[ I have been struggling with this BS over the past 60 or so hours and only made that one "necessary" post on the GBRFL2 thread over the past 48 or so hours.  I just finished the last "necessary (for anally-retentive [smiley=dick.jpg] people [smiley=whistle.gif] )" scan about 30 minutes ago.  BUT, I am in a smooth ride now! [smiley=cruisin.gif] Anyway, Tone, where are you now?  I know this thing INSIDE-and-OUT at this point [smiley=threed.gif] and can be of assistance if you can tell me where you are now (for all I know, and I hope so actually, you may already be out of the woods [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] ).  At any rate, if you need help, let me know. [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 14th, 2003, 2:40pm
Tony O,

Based on where you said you are in your private message to me, here is what you want to do.  FIRSTLY, as soon as you finish reading this message go to the following location and download the "patch" for whatever system you are on, Windows XP, Windows 2000, etc., etc.:

http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp.
(You will probably need the Windows XP (32 bit) one.)

NOTE, after you finish reading all this and downloading that, get off-line and "Shut down" your computer A.S.A.P.  THEN, start your computer back up.  Do NOT go back on-line yet.  After your computer is all done loading, access your "Windows Task Manager".  I do this by pressing "ctrl-alt-Delete" all down at the same time.  Only press these down once as pressing them down more than once may cause your computer to automatically shut down.  Now, when you have your "Windows Security" menus in front of you, choose "Task Manager".  In your "Windows Task Manager", click on the "Processes" tab.  Scroll through that list and locate msblast.exe or lovsan.exe or blaster.worm or spybot.worm or something along those lines.  When you find it, single click on it and then click the "End Process" button at the bottom.  NEXT, do a "file search" for whatever the name of that file was, say msblast.exe.  After your computer has found it, delete it and also empty your recyle bin completely (if anything else is in there, bye-bye).  NEXT, "Shut down" and restart.  THEN, do another virus scan (but remember, regardless of what the scan tells you, you can always do that manual process explained above).  NOW, after your virus scan has indicated it's gone OR you have done the manual process explained above a second time (which you probably won't need to do) and gotten rid of it (again) that way, "execute" that "patch" I had you download above, i.e., double-click on it and install it.  AFTER that, shut down and restart one last time.  You should be out of the woods then.  BUT, at this point get on-line and go and update your Norton virus definitions immediately (don't be cheap if your account has run out... get that credit card out) and after doing so do one final scan for good measure, an especially important step as this virus is mutating on what seems to be a moment-to-moment basis.

NOW, GO DOWNLOAD THAT PATCH!

Good luck! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] [smiley=shamrock.gif]

Your Friend,
Steve Steg

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 15th, 2003, 6:00pm
Oh yea......work is done for the week.  And now, off to the beach.  One week in Duck, NC.  No stress at all.  No one asking me annoying questions, no projects, and no worries.  I will miss football, but I at least will have ESPN to keep me somewhat, although limitedly, informed.

Enjoy your week!!!


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 15th, 2003, 10:48pm
Have a great time, Double D! [smiley=wave.gif]

As for me here tonight, there are benefits to being back in the New York metropolitan area, blackouts aside, which did not affect us down here on the Jersey shore actually, TWO TELEVISED PRESEASON GAMES! [smiley=dancin.gif] Unheard of! :-X

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 15th, 2003, 11:53pm
How did the Cowboys  [smiley=cowboy.gif] look?  I took the family to a moonlite swim tonight.  Did Q-dog look like the answer at QB?

How 'bout them Cowboys
[smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=flamewar.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif]
[smiley=swollenhead.gif] [smiley=rifle.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif]
[smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=flamewar.gif] [smiley=chief.gif] [smiley=chief.gif] [smiley=chief.gif] [smiley=wagingwar.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif]


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 16th, 2003, 1:14am
PT, didn't see the Cowboys[smiley=cowboy.gif]-Texans[smiley=texan.gif] game!  Here we got the Giants[smiley=swollenhead.gif]-Panthers[smiley=afro.gif] game and the Packers:)-Browns[smiley=dog.gif] game.  Sorry I can't brief you on your "boys" game! :-[

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Aug 16th, 2003, 2:34am
I just checked out the stats for the preseason games over at nfl.com and it looks like the most consistent Cowboy QB so far has been Tony Romo...

I only saw (most of) the Packers-Browns game here in South Jersey.  Holcomb and Couch both looked good, though Couch did it against the 2nd team.  I still think Couch gets the job when they do it for real.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 16th, 2003, 3:13am
Checked the stats at NFL.com as well.  Even though I have Hutch in the GBRFL, like him and think he is more of a "Parcells-type" quarterback, Quincy's numbers, though it was against the Texans, were pretty good tonight and he apparently did not make any big mistakes. [smiley=shrug.gif] I do think the plot thickens (as does the Browns QB battle after tonight's [smiley=yinandyang.gif] performance)!  However, I still think it will be Hutch (and Couch) come Week 1.  Come Week 4-5ish,... [smiley=whatever.gif]

But, I digress...  What's with all this football talk in "the Bleachers"?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 16th, 2003, 7:34pm
More football talk in "the Bleachers"...

I get TWO games AGAIN tonight...  Jets[smiley=batman.gif]-Saints[smiley=priest.gif] and Titans[smiley=titan.gif]-Bills[smiley=proudAmerican.gif]

[smiley=woohoo.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 18th, 2003, 12:13am

on 08/13/03 at 13:30:25, Tony_O wrote:
Steg, I have the virus too............Let me know if you get any info.........I'm having trouble logging onto my internet now as well.  BASTARDS >:(


Tony, are you out of the woods [smiley=dick.jpg] [smiley=dick.jpg] [smiley=dick.jpg] ... [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] yet? [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Tony_O on Aug 18th, 2003, 1:47am
No not really! >:( I dowloaded the patch and every other update I needed. I also got a firewall but I just did a virus scan it still was there and Norton said it couldn't fix it, so I quarintined the virus....whatever the hell that means. So I guess I'm still f#@%ed!
Also when I go to my task manager I can't stop the process, it says access denied and I can delete it off my file list.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 18th, 2003, 11:38am

on 08/18/03 at 01:47:22, Tony_O wrote:
Also when I go to my task manager I can't stop the process, it says access denied and I can delete it off my file list.


Not happy to hear this. [smiley=no.gif] I hate these scumbags who make this bullshit.  Anyway, regarding stopping the process in the windows task manager, you are not connected to the internet when you try to do that, right?  When I was, I also got that "Access denied" message.  I was only able to stop the process when I was off-line.  In any event, try doing it in "Safe Mode" if you haven't already.  You start up your computer in "Safe Mode" by pressing F8 during the early stages of the booting process, i.e. when it says to.  The virus, msblast.exe or whatever you got, may not be in "process" in "Safe Mode", though you'd, of course, definitely want to check, anyway.  Regardless, though, what you could do is try to do this all backwards.  In summary, in "Safe Mode", check your "Windows Task Manager" first, see if the virus is running.  If so, try to stop it.  Then, whether or not it was running and whether or not you were able to stop it, do a search for the virus and delete it and then empty your recycle bin.  Then, shut down.  Start back up in "Safe Mode" one more time and do all that again, i.e. check your "Task Manager" and do a search, making sure you have accomplished something.  After hopefully realizing you've accomplished something, do a virus scan now in "Safe Mode"!  Then, start back up in normal mode; do NOT go on-line; check your "Task Manager" immediately; do a search; do a virus scan.  ONE OTHER THING YOU MAY WANT TO TRY DURING ALL THIS IS COMPLETELY DETACHING YOUR PHONE LINE OR WHATEVER LINE YOU CONNECT TO THE INTERNET BY WAY OF FROM YOUR COMPUTER!  Again, good luck! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] [smiley=shamrock.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 18th, 2003, 3:36pm

on 08/18/03 at 01:47:22, Tony_O wrote:
No not really! >:( I dowloaded the patch and every other update I needed. I also got a firewall but I just did a virus scan it still was there and Norton said it couldn't fix it, so I quarintined the virus....whatever the hell that means. So I guess I'm still f#@%ed!
Also when I go to my task manager I can't stop the process, it says access denied and I can delete it off my file list.



Tony, try this thread from a few days ago. Between Grove Diesel and Rurbaniak, you won't find much more reliable help.


http://www.fftodayforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=050582#000000


Steg, sorry for linking to that board, but under the circumstances I felt it was warranted.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Aug 22nd, 2003, 3:17pm
[smiley=cruisin.gif]

Anyone here know auto tech stuff really well?  I'm having trouble with my car.  I think my tranny is slipping, but I'm not sure.

Occasionally when am driving (my automatic [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]) and come to a complete stop, when I go to start up again, and take my foot off the brake, my engine races a bit without me going anywhere, and then it (my transmisson?) will kick in, my tires will squeal a bit, and then things are fine.

I've found that this happens after I come to a more sudden stop.  If I slow down gradually nothing seems to be wrong.

Any ideas?




Modified to elucidate a misspelled point from the comedian in the subsequent post.   ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 22nd, 2003, 3:27pm
Uhhhh,...  Take your foot off the break!  You're not good in the "clutch", dude!

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 24th, 2003, 4:14pm
I just want to see if anybody even knows what I am talking about or if it is I who is the only loser watchin' this late-night stuff...

Would anybody know what I mean when I say, "The Professa' dishes it off to Spyda"?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 24th, 2003, 4:33pm

on 08/24/03 at 16:14:12, StegRock wrote:
I just want to see if anybody even knows what I am talking about or if it is I who is the only loser watchin' this late-night stuff...

Would anybody know what I mean when I say, "The Professa' dishes it off to Spyda"?



I THINK you are talking about Slam Ball?  Or Street Ball?  

I only  watch it during commercials.  

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Aug 26th, 2003, 11:18am
Is everyone watching "Playmakers" on ESPN tonight?  It looks good, but my fear is that we've already seen the entire show in the previews.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 26th, 2003, 11:29am
Heck ya, right after the World Series of Poker Finals!!!!

I have been addicted to the WSOP ever since I caught it a few weeks ago!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 26th, 2003, 2:12pm

on 08/24/03 at 16:33:40, DirkDiggler wrote:
Street Ball?


[smiley=yes.gif] , and I'm into it!  I think both The Professer and Spydaman should be given contracts by And 1.


on 08/26/03 at 11:18:55, Philly wrote:
Is everyone watching "Playmakers" on ESPN tonight?  It looks good, but my fear is that we've already seen the entire show in the previews.


[smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 26th, 2003, 2:29pm

on 08/26/03 at 11:29:52, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Heck ya, right after the World Series of Poker Finals!!!!

I have been addicted to the WSOP ever since I caught it a few weeks ago!



I LOVE the WORLD SERIES OF POKER!!!  I have watched every episode.  Some of those guys $300,000 bluffs are AMAZING!!!  Last week one guy bluffed an A high into a winner against 2 pair. (with the River card not even played yet.) That takes some serious ballz!!

I then turned watching poker into some poker winnings this past week at the beach.  Water was too cold to swim so we played Texas Hold 'Em for hours on end!!! Gambling rules!!


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 26th, 2003, 3:25pm
The World Series of Poker... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] no less on ESPN... [smiley=nono.gif] SNOOZERS! [smiley=sleepers.gif] It's a crime!

The only thing worse is watching today's GBRFL2 Draft!  Brutal! [smiley=takinyours.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 26th, 2003, 3:55pm
So tell us Steg, why don't you like it?



Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 26th, 2003, 4:14pm

on 08/26/03 at 15:55:01, BarnabyWilde wrote:
So tell us Steg, why don't you like it?


Like my Poker...  Don't get me wrong!  Pretty good at it, actually [smiley=whistle.gif] , though I can't shuffle worth a shit... 52-card pick-up all the way, baby, when Steggie's shufflin'! ;D

In short, though, for "off-the-beat-and-track" stuff, I'm more of an And 1 Streetball guy
[smiley=afro.gif] [smiley=groove.gif] [smiley=jammaster.gif] [smiley=pimpin.gif] [smiley=spchef.gif]
than a World Series of Poker guy [smiley=goatee.gif] [smiley=sneaky.gif] [smiley=spkyle.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=money.gif] if ya' follow...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 27th, 2003, 5:00pm
I'm with your Steg on the WSOP.  I play poker once a month with the guys in my neighborhood, but I hate Texas-holdum.  It is too much deal, drop and watch.  Once everybody knows what a good hand is it usually goes from 8 guys to 2 pretty quickly.  It makes for a boring night of poker

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 27th, 2003, 5:02pm
My favorite poker games are Omaha, Nebraska, 7-27, 3-13, and 733boat.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 27th, 2003, 5:11pm
I love 7-27!!
One of my favorites along with Burning Cross, Follow the Bitch and Texas Hold em


on 08/27/03 at 17:02:06, PrimeTime wrote:
My favorite poker games are Omaha, Nebraska, 7-27, 3-13, and 733boat.


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 27th, 2003, 9:03pm
I never heard of "burning cross". I wonder if it is what we call criss-cross.  Six cards down on the table, you get to use the horixontal or vertical three cards along with four cards in you r hand.  Middle card is wild?

            C          
                 
      C    C   C

            C

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 28th, 2003, 12:25am
No, it's like this:

Everyone gets dealt 4 cards in their hand. Then, 3 rows of 3 are laid down:

C  C  C

C  C  C

C  C  C

The cards are turned over one at a time, and bets are made. The 4 cards in the corners are called "burn cards". For example, if a 7 is turned over in a corner, everyone holding a 7 MUST throw them away. Now, say the top middle card is turned over and it is also a &, it is burned. The card in the middle is turned over last, and it is wild. You make your hand with your 4 existing cards, plus the three cards horizontal or vertical.


on 08/27/03 at 21:03:13, PrimeTime wrote:
I never heard of "burning cross". I wonder if it is what we call criss-cross.  Six cards down on the table, you get to use the horixontal or vertical three cards along with four cards in you r hand.  Middle card is wild?

            C          
                 
      C    C   C

            C


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 28th, 2003, 12:45pm
I like it!  [smiley=woohoo.gif]

I will make sure we play it next Friday night.

Thanks.

P.S. Anybody else have any interesting games?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 28th, 2003, 1:05pm
Can someone tell me the proper way to put a quote into your post?  I figured out how to insert the quote, but I can't get it to put the heading with the time and name of person who I am quoting?

Thanks

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Aug 28th, 2003, 2:16pm
Primer, in the upper right-hand corner of every post, still within the bounds of the green background, you'll see it says "Quote" with a little graphic next to it.  You click that to "reply" with a "full" quote with all the info and all.  Actually, if the post is yours, you will also see "Remove" with a little graphic right next to "Quote".  That's for if you want to remove your post for some reason.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 28th, 2003, 2:30pm
Much easier than I thought! [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Bob_Oswego on Aug 30th, 2003, 7:54pm
Ever the teacher Steg man, maybe a little posting tutorial link for new members/guests wuld help alleviate all the repetitive questions you and the members deal with so patiently :-/

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by bgsgfan on Aug 31st, 2003, 12:05am

on 08/30/03 at 19:54:35, Bob_Oswego wrote:
Ever the teacher Steg man, maybe a little posting tutorial link for new members/guests wuld help alleviate all the repetitive questions you and the members deal with so patiently :-/



There is a post that kind of serves as a primer, I'll try to dig it up.

OK, I just bumped it.  
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;action=display;num=1047359421;start=0
I don't remember if anything in here dealt with items such as how to quote, but it covers a lot more of what I would consider more serious issues.  I would assume that if Steg considered something to be important for a newbie, it would be there.

Oh, BTW, if you try to read all the posts referenced in one sitting make sure you are well stocked with food.  Maybe even bring along a sleeping bag and pillow. ;)

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Sep 16th, 2003, 7:30pm
Well, I just got back from one last day down at the beach here on the Jersey shore, and due to the incoming hurricane, the waves were like WHACK! [smiley=drown.gif] I got a swim in, but it was TOO much to handle for the vast majority of the surfers 'round here!  This was Hawaii style! ;) Many of them couldn't even get out!  In was incredible to see!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Sep 19th, 2003, 8:15am

on 09/16/03 at 19:30:31, StegRock wrote:
Well, I just got back from one last day down at the beach here on the Jersey shore, and due to the incoming hurricane, the waves were like WHACK! [smiley=drown.gif] I got a swim in, but it was TOO much to handle for the vast majority of the surfers 'round here!  This was Hawaii style! ;) Many of them couldn't even get out!  In was incredible to see!


Hope you guys on the east coast didn't get into to much shit with this hurricane. I woke up to a bunch of branches and leaves all over my yard and on my block...

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Sep 19th, 2003, 9:08am
I beleive this to be the correct thread.

Did anyone watch the fight last weekend.  If so what did you all think.  
I actually thought is was a draw.  If you are one of the folks that thought De La Hoya won easily then i have a challenge for you.

Watch the fight on HBO this weekend's replay and turn off the volume so merchant does not influence you and see if you feel differently.

Notice Oscar's knees buckling a couple of times.

Now to equate it to football.  De La Hoya landed about 8 more punches a round.  I  figure Shane's were a lot harder and Oscar looked hurt a few times.
So on to football.  It's kind of like this is 2 field goals better than a touchdown.  No not at all it's about quality of scoring not quantity.  Unless of course you are scoring 7 field goals like the boys.

Oh well just my two cents.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Sep 19th, 2003, 9:34am
Just wanted to use this forum to promote and ask for help.  Granted to many people who can't help.

But my wife is running for school board in our home town (vacaville, ca).  Just wanted to say and ask if you just happen to know anyone from here we would appreciete the vote and the support.

The her positive of her running (I have more time for me) as in porn and gridiron and boxing  [smiley=laugh.gif] only kidding.  It is making a difference in society.  The bad part is the expense and time.  

Just wanted to beg for a couple extra votes if you happen to know anyone.

That being said I am counting on BW-Jim and Tony O. because I know you are from here.

Thanks for this oppurtunity.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Sep 19th, 2003, 2:43pm
Stop over in Minneapolis!  Only got a minute here at this free Intel internet thingamajiggy joint!  Just wanted to keep you guys breasts, [smiley=hooters.gif] eh hem, a breast, uh, abreast!  Be in Denver SOON! [smiley=broncofan.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Sep 22nd, 2003, 10:31am

on 09/19/03 at 14:43:26, StegRock wrote:
Stop over in Minneapolis!  Only got a minute here at this free Intel internet thingamajiggy joint!  Just wanted to keep you guys breasts, [smiley=hooters.gif] eh hem, a breast, uh, abreast!  Be in Denver SOON! [smiley=broncofan.gif]


I got to Minneapolis last Thursday for a meeting and just got back yesterday.  I think you're following me.  You leave Korea to come to Jersey, where I am, then you follow me to Minneapolis of all places.

[smiley=uh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by PrimeTime on Sep 24th, 2003, 11:14pm

on 09/22/03 at 10:31:56, Philly wrote:
I got to Minneapolis last Thursday for a meeting and just got back yesterday.  I think you're following me.  You leave Korea to come to Jersey, where I am, then you follow me to Minneapolis of all places.

[smiley=uh.gif]


I believe Philly and Steg are one in the same person.  Has anyone every seen the two of them together?  [smiley=shiteatingrin.gif]
Could it be a Dr. Jykell and Mr. Hyde type of thing?  I wonder who is Jykell and who is Hyde..... [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Sep 25th, 2003, 9:26am

on 09/24/03 at 23:14:12, PrimeTime wrote:
I believe Philly and Steg are one in the same person.  Has anyone every seen the two of them together?  [smiley=shiteatingrin.gif]
Could it be a Dr. Jykell and Mr. Hyde type of thing?  I wonder who is Jykell and who is Hyde..... [smiley=laugh.gif]



Interesting theory you have there PrimeTime.  I would guess that I am Jekyll because Steg is the one who is Hyde-ing right now.

(Anyway, check the Fantasy Articles button above - you'll see two different pics for Steg and me.  My pic is the good-looking one on the right side of the page.  Steg is the goofy-looking guy whose pic is right above the bald guy.)

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 25th, 2003, 9:45am

on 09/25/03 at 09:26:07, Philly wrote:
Interesting theory you have there PrimeTime.  I would guess that I am Jekyll because Steg is the one who is Hyde-ing right now.

(Anyway, check the Fantasy Articles button above - you'll see two different pics for Steg and me.  My pic is the good-looking one on the right side of the page.  Steg is the goofy-looking guy whose pic is right above the bald guy.)

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]


[smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] Interesting that YOUR definition of good looking is way different that everybody else's!!  [smiley=wiseguy.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Tony_O on Sep 25th, 2003, 10:12am
Yeah, truth be told..........The three of you gentlemen have no chance of making next years People's Magazine 50 most beatiful people issue. No chance of forming a boy band and getting lots of P#$&*y either! ;D [smiley=cantcatch.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] But keep writing those great articles!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Sep 25th, 2003, 10:23am

on 09/25/03 at 09:45:52, BarnabyWilde wrote:
[smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] Interesting that YOUR definition of good looking is way different that everybody else's!!  [smiley=wiseguy.gif]


I never realized it, but this guy... [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] ...would look just like BW if his goat was grey.  ;)

[smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 25th, 2003, 10:34am

on 09/25/03 at 10:23:11, Philly wrote:
I never realized it, but this guy... [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] ...would look just like BW if his goat was grey.  ;)

[smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


LOL Jeff, that called being distinguished! (not old)

Now Tony, I'd respond to that comment, but...you are on the mark  [smiley=bullseye.gif] with it, so I will just  :-X

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Tony_O on Sep 25th, 2003, 11:12am

on 09/25/03 at 10:23:11, Philly wrote:
I never realized it, but this guy... [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] ...would look just like BW if his goat was grey.  ;)

[smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


That was a good one Jeff! You two have made my morning at work very enjoyable. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Sep 29th, 2003, 7:21pm
I personally think the site should not have any pictures.  You are all ugly.  

I can tell you this, I like Len Pasquarelli's articles much more when I did't know what the hell he looked  like.   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 30th, 2003, 10:40am
To all baseball fans out there, I am going to tomorrow night's game one of the A's-Red Sox series. Pedro vs. Hudson! Should be a good one! Bob, you going?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Sep 30th, 2003, 11:33am
I only wish I was going.

Go Pedro!!

I am rooting for a fantasy world series of Cubs v. BoSox if not then Dontrelle v. his home town team Oakland!.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Sep 30th, 2003, 11:42pm
You guys crack me up!

...

Anyway, a day on which both the Yankees [smiley=thumbsdown.gif] and Braves [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] (an angry Jim O'Dell) lose playoff games... I'm in heaven! [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Oct 1st, 2003, 12:07am
How'd you know I was a Brave hater!?



on 09/30/03 at 23:42:38, StegRock wrote:
You guys crack me up!

...

Anyway, a day on which both the Yankees [smiley=thumbsdown.gif] and Braves [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] (an angry Jim O'Dell) lose playoff games... I'm in heaven! [smiley=havinablast.gif]


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Oct 1st, 2003, 9:28am
It would have been a perfect sports day if the Giants had lost also.

[smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]the Giants!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by 5-on-it on Oct 7th, 2003, 2:41am
The Athletics - A CLEAR cut case of a team that cannot play in pressure situations. These guys look like high schoolers at the plate every time they get into the post season. Also unbelievable how they shoot themselves in the foot whit their base running.

Out at the plate = Jeremy Giambi, Eric Byrnes, Miguel Tejada. Way to go BIG LEAGUERS!

GO National League!!!!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Oct 7th, 2003, 2:57am
Uh, Jeremy Giami doesn't even play for the A's, unless you are refering to a past A lowlight.

And somebody tell Terrence Long to swing the fricking bat! Man, what a loser, striking out looking to end the season. Nice going dumb ass!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on Oct 7th, 2003, 8:14am

on 10/07/03 at 02:57:44, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Uh, Jeremy Giami doesn't even play for the A's, unless you are refering to a past A lowlight.

And somebosy tell Terrence Long to swing the fricking bat! Man, what a loser, striking out looking to end the season. Nice going dumb ass!

The last thing you want to do is strike out looking, especially in that situation, but it's hard to pull the trigger when you think the ball is going to hit you! Lowe made a nasty pitch and you have to give him credit.

The only thing that can wreck the World Series now is if Florida advances. Cubs/Yankees or Cubs/Red Sox will be just about as good as it gets.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Oct 7th, 2003, 8:33am
I'd like to see the Red Sox/Cubs now. At least the Gorilla will be off  one of their backs.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 7th, 2003, 9:25am

on 10/07/03 at 08:33:03, BarnabyWilde wrote:
I'd like to see the Red Sox/Cubs now. At least the Gorilla will be off  one of their backs.


I want to see this match up too.  I am SOOOOO tired of hearing how the Cubs and Red Sox can't win a world series.  One of them would be guaranteed to win and one of the two cities would SHUT UP!!!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Oct 7th, 2003, 1:55pm
There is two huge flaws with a BoSox v. Cubs series.

1. It can't happen.  Both franchises have attached to the lovable loser label.  They feel a common ground being the whipping boy.  They can always lean on each other.  The Curse of the Bambino is there crutch and maybe their identity.  Same goes for the Cubs. (Plus the Cubs can't win til 2050 because thats when Back to the Future II said they would win.)

2. God won't let it happen.  here's my bold prediction Red Sox v. Cubs in the series tied at 3 games apiece.  The night before game 7 armagedon would break out.  The rapture will occur or WW III.  It just can't happen.

Only kiddin.............Just the Pestimistic Pauly coming out of me.

I would like to see that series also as I said a few weeks back.  However, as a very faithful and lifelong Dodger fan I can't stand to see Dusty Baker win.  He turned his back on me (being he was one of my 2 fav players as a kid).  Even though maybe it would be good to rub the Giants noses in him winning (just as it was when Gruden beat the Raiders in the super bowl).

As I have stated befroe I am not a fan of the local teams.
[smiley=boxer.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 8th, 2003, 5:39pm
Fellas, those who know me personally or with whom I have developed a personal friendship over time here or just anybody who "cares",

My wife, Yoo-jin, who is Korean, has her "final" immigration-visa interview THIS Friday.  If you don't know, this has been a somewhat harrowing 3+-year process for us.  I worked over there an unexpected extra year in part to be with her on the same continent, but we still ended up being a 5+-hour train ride apart as it turned out, and she did spend 5 months here in the States with me; of course, smack-dab during her stay came 9/11.  Welcome to America, huh!?  Point being, it has been a tough row to hoe for us and her getting her "green card" will allow us to see the light/breathe MUCH easier... or MUCH HARDER, should I say. [smiley=whistle.gif] [smiley=gettinridden.gif] Please keep us in your thoughts,... and prayers if you are so predisposed. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

On another important personal note, I am still waiting to hear from U. of H. [smiley=sunny.gif] They say LOA are sent out October-November.  Again, any positive energy you can send my way is much appreciated! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Walker Boh on Oct 8th, 2003, 11:46pm

on 10/08/03 at 17:39:31, StegRock wrote:
Fellas, those who know me personally or with whom I have developed a personal friendship over time here or just anybody who "cares",

My wife, Yoo-jin, who is Korean, has her "final" immigration-visa interview next Friday.  If you don't know, this has been a somewhat harrowing 3+-year process for us.  I worked over there an unexpected extra year in part to be with her on the same continent, but we still ended up being a 5+-hour train ride apart as it turned out, and she did spend 5 months here in the States with me; of course, smack-dab during her stay came 9/11.  Welcome to America, huh!?  Point being, it has been a tough row to hoe for us and her getting her "green card" will allow us to see the light/breathe MUCH easier... or MUCH HARDER, should I say. [smiley=whistle.gif] [smiley=gettinridden.gif] Please keep us in your thoughts,... and prayers if you are so predisposed. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

On another important personal note, I am still waiting to hear from U. of H. [smiley=sunny.gif] They say LOA are sent out October-November.  Again, any positive energy you can send my way is much appreciated! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Best of luck Steg and Yoo-jin! My parents adopted 3 children from out of the country and I had the pleasure of dealing with the INS on several occasions... If your experience is anything like we went through, you'll need all the help you can get! Talk about a major pain in the ass... An appointment with the INS makes going to the DMV feel like a vacation! All kidding aside, it's a lot of hard work, but it will all be worth it!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 9th, 2003, 2:24am

on 10/08/03 at 17:39:31, StegRock wrote:
Fellas, those who know me personally or with whom I have developed a personal friendship over time here or just anybody who "cares",

My wife, Yoo-jin, who is Korean, has her "final" immigration-visa interview next Friday.  If you don't know, this has been a somewhat harrowing 3+-year process for us.  I worked over there an unexpected extra year in part to be with her on the same continent, but we still ended up being a 5+-hour train ride apart as it turned out, and she did spend 5 months here in the States with me; of course, smack-dab during her stay came 9/11.  Welcome to America, huh!?  Point being, it has been a tough row to hoe for us and her getting her "green card" will allow us to see the light/breathe MUCH easier... or MUCH HARDER, should I say. [smiley=whistle.gif] [smiley=gettinridden.gif] Please keep us in your thoughts,... and prayers if you are so predisposed. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

On another important personal note, I am still waiting to hear from U. of H. [smiley=sunny.gif] They say LOA are sent out October-November.  Again, any positive energy you can send my way is much appreciated! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]


Thanks, WB, for the support! :)

By the way, regarding my wife's "final" immigrant-visa interview at the American Embassy in Korea, I wrote "next" Friday above.  I meant THIS Friday, as in TOMORROW, as in LATER TODAY as we are behind Korea time! [smiley=nervous.gif] [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by 5-on-it on Oct 9th, 2003, 3:41am
SS - I hope it all works out!  [smiley=priest.gif]

[smiley=gotanidea.gif] Suggestion --- Make the bleachers an area, instead of a thread. [smiley=gotanidea.gif]

[smiley=afro.gif]


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 9th, 2003, 1:28pm

on 10/09/03 at 03:41:29, 5-on-it wrote:
SS - I hope it all works out!  [smiley=priest.gif]


Thank you for keeping the situation in your thoughts, 5'er! [smiley=bow.gif] This is stressful!


Quote:
[smiley=gotanidea.gif] Suggestion --- Make the bleachers an area, instead of a thread. [smiley=gotanidea.gif]

[smiley=afro.gif]


Also, thanks for caring about the progression of this place and giving this some thought.  This has been discussed MANY a time, though (one of the main places it was discussed was on the "Offseason on 'the Gridiron'" thread somewhere buried here on "the Sidelines").  I have my reasons for not making it a board unto itself just yet.  You could even ask Jim about it.  In any event, all in due time... [smiley=yinandyang.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by steelkings on Oct 9th, 2003, 4:34pm
The Korean culture is cool. I had the pleasure of the acqaintance of Master Yong Pi Choi. He is very dynamic
and energetic for a 60 yr old dude. My kids think he's Jacki Chan. I think Master Choi would give J.C all he wanted.
May the carma of the Gridiron go with you!

PS...I live in Indianapolis. I found a baseball in my front yard. Do you think its the one Sosa hit?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Oct 9th, 2003, 9:53pm

on 10/08/03 at 17:39:31, StegRock wrote:
Fellas, those who know me personally or with whom I have developed a personal friendship over time here or just anybody who "cares",

My wife, Yoo-jin, who is Korean, has her "final" immigration-visa interview THIS Friday.  If you don't know, this has been a somewhat harrowing 3+-year process for us.  I worked over there an unexpected extra year in part to be with her on the same continent, but we still ended up being a 5+-hour train ride apart as it turned out, and she did spend 5 months here in the States with me; of course, smack-dab during her stay came 9/11.  Welcome to America, huh!?  Point being, it has been a tough row to hoe for us and her getting her "green card" will allow us to see the light/breathe MUCH easier... or MUCH HARDER, should I say. [smiley=whistle.gif] [smiley=gettinridden.gif] Please keep us in your thoughts,... and prayers if you are so predisposed. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

On another important personal note, I am still waiting to hear from U. of H. [smiley=sunny.gif] They say LOA are sent out October-November.  Again, any positive energy you can send my way is much appreciated! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]



Best wishes with everything Steg.  I'll say a prayer for a good outcome.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 9th, 2003, 10:10pm

on 10/09/03 at 21:53:55, Philly wrote:
Best wishes with everything Steg.  I'll say a prayer for a good outcome.


Thanks, Phil!  But, hurry up with those prayers!  She's at the Embassy right now! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] [smiley=nervous.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 10th, 2003, 5:57pm

on 10/09/03 at 22:10:51, StegRock wrote:
Thanks, Phil!  But, hurry up with those prayers!  She's at the Embassy right now! [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] [smiley=nervous.gif]


So the verdict is..........................??    [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 10th, 2003, 6:12pm
Funny, DD, I was just coming up here to post this...

The "process" is finally OVER!  Wifey-poo [smiley=hooters.gif] passed all inspections! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] She now has her "certificate of immigration" and her sealed packet of goodies that she has to present upon arrival.  She actually said that the "interview" wasn't a biggie at all.  She basically just handed them her packet of stuff; they looked it over briefly and evidently all was in order (thanks largely to hubby's meticulousness [smiley=awwgee.gif] ) and handed her her certificate and packet, which seemed to already have been prepared.  Anyway, I can't believe that we are finally sliding into home plate on this.  Whew! :P

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Oct 11th, 2003, 11:35am
Congrats Steg & Family, good to hear everything is working out well for you guys.  [smiley=dancin.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Oct 11th, 2003, 5:24pm
That's great news Steg.  I'm happy for you both.  So now you'll be living with your wife and your mother???  :o

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by 5-on-it on Oct 12th, 2003, 12:03am
Congrats!

[smiley=dancin.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=santa.gif] [smiley=rguitar.gif] [smiley=rasta.gif] [smiley=rabbit.gif] [smiley=punk.gif] [smiley=ragin.gif] [smiley=guitar.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=priest.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=bdaycakesmiley.gif] [smiley=groove.gif] [smiley=guitarist.gif] [smiley=mickey.gif] [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif] [smiley=drummer.gif] [smiley=dancin.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif] [smiley=coolit.gif] [smiley=coach.gif] [smiley=cheers.gif] [smiley=cheers.gif] [smiley=cheers.gif] [smiley=cheers.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 12th, 2003, 11:32am
Well, not exactly, Phil... unless I get bad news regarding the graduate program.  I kind of thought you knew this, though, from our conversations...  My wife will not be in until mid-late December and we are going to finally (3 and a half years later) have that stateside ceremony for my family and friends (December 20th).  Until then, of course, I will be "at home".  After that is over, the first week of January, depending on certain circumstances, either a) I will be back on my own for a bit heading to you know where [smiley=sunny.gif] for grad school and my wife will be heading back to Korea to earn bucks for an extra 6 or so months while I get the lay of the land for her there work-wise OR b) we will be heading to "lu-lu" land together OR, unlikely worst case scenario, c) I don't get in to that program for the spring and I am stuck at home until next fall, in which case I definitely do not see my wife sticking around here if for no other reason than finances, UNLESS d) she quit her job there so as to come here and we strike out on our own here, a situation I just do NOT see happening as it would be taking us totally off the "beat and track" we want to be on.  I suppose there is an "e" scenario that causes wife and mother-in-law to be under the same roof for a period of time, but really that ain't that bad, at least from the angle you might be intimating.  Generally speaking, (good) Asian girls (which my wife surely is) are very obliging, considerate and humble with regards to their attitude and actions towards their mother-in-laws.  Okay, enough rambling, it's time for football... :D

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 14th, 2003, 3:06pm

on 10/12/03 at 11:32:47, StegRock wrote:
...unless I get bad news regarding the graduate program.  ...  c) I don't get in to that program for the spring and I am stuck at home until next fall, in which case I definitely do not see my wife sticking around here if for no other reason than finances, UNLESS d) she quit her job there so as to come here and we strike out on our own here, a situation I just do NOT see happening as it would be taking us totally off the "beat and track" we want to be on.  I suppose there is an "e" scenario that causes wife and mother-in-law to be under the same roof for a period of time...


...  I guess I asked for it... [smiley=no.gif]

I can't lie...  A lot of things have been, relatively speaking, going really well for me lately.  I guess I needed a good, swift kick in the head to remind me about good, old-fashioned human suffering.  It just can't be ALL good.  I got "the 'thin' envelope" today...  I did not get in...  This really fucks me up!  Anyway, I am in a bit of a stuper right now... "shock and aw(ful)", I guess you could call how I feel... :-/ [smiley=uh.gif] :'( ?.?.? [smiley=bawling.gif] (inside up until now, though I am going to have to let it come out eventually).  I just can't get a fuckin' break (from others) (not that accepting me into this program would have been one; I MORE than met their requirements) unless I make it for myself.  Well, I guess it's time for me to pick myself up off the ground, dust myself off and start figuring out my next move... again. :P Right now, though, I feel a little stalemated,... but not checkmated.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Oct 14th, 2003, 4:20pm
Keep your head held high!

And good luck with all.

Have a  [smiley=alcoholic.gif]on me!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 14th, 2003, 8:43pm

on 10/14/03 at 15:06:48, StegRock wrote:
...  I guess I asked for it... [smiley=no.gif]

I can't lie...  A lot of things have been, relatively speaking, going really well for me lately.  I guess I needed a good, swift kick in the head to remind me about good, old-fashioned human suffering.  It just can't be ALL good.  I got "the 'thin' envelope" today...  I did not get in...  This really fucks me up!  Anyway, I am in a bit of a stuper right now... "shock and aw(ful)", I guess you could call how I feel... :-/ [smiley=uh.gif] :'( ?.?.? [smiley=bawling.gif] (inside up until now, though I am going to have to let it come out eventually).  I just can't get a fuckin' break (from others) (not that accepting me into this program would have been one; I MORE than met their requirements) unless I make it for myself.  Well, I guess it's time for me to pick myself up off the ground, dust myself off and start figuring out my next move... again. :P Right now, though, I feel a little stalemated,... but not checkmated.


Steg--

Sorry to hear the bad news dude.  That really blows. But, I know ultimately something good will come out of this.   That is just the way life works.   [smiley=yinandyang.gif]

You have to play the cards you are dealt.  BUT, life is not stud poker.  It is draw.   [smiley=zenmaster.gif]

Hang in there dude.  If you need to talk give me a call.....



Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Oct 15th, 2003, 11:38am
I figured I'd throw out a little public support.  Further to our phone conversation yesterday, I have put the balls in motion regarding your next steps...  As soon as I hear something, I'll let you know.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by steelkings on Oct 16th, 2003, 5:02pm
[quote author=DirkDiggler link=board=58;num=1051295537;start=325#346 date=10/14/03 at 20:43:51]

That really blows. But, I know ultimately something good will come out of this.   That is just the way life works.    



Thats the same thing Dusty Baker said in 2002. HuH?
Hit the lottery and buy the school.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 16th, 2003, 11:10pm
Well, since I've opened the door, I might as well give you guys the WHOLE story, i.e. ALL the juice, on why I did not get in.  The good news, it's VERY "get-aroundable" for next fall; the bad news, it is a little bit of a lame reason.  "Opinion/Presumption" about me has seemed to factor in a little too much, i.e., my destiny was apparently ultimately determined by an "impression" rather than what I bring to the table, so to speak.  I'm not saying that that should not be a part of it or even that they are not a little bit right (I am confident, perhaps overconfident at times).  But, it appears to be the "back-breaking" factor in my case, which ain't really so right.  Anyway, here is the response I received... (Enjoy the soap opera!)

Dear Mr. Stegeman,

The main, if not the entire, reason your application was rejected was that your writing sample, "The New Natural Law," made a very bad impression on some of the members of our graduate admission committee.  They argued that that
(yes, two thats) the essay seemed to have been written by someone who was dogmatic and overconfident, and whom they suspected it would be very difficult to teach. I apologize for the bluntness, but I sense that you want me to give you honest feedback here.

Aside from your writing sample, the other components of your application were all judged to be at least acceptable, by our standards. The writing sample is, however, in our judgment, the single most important component of any application for admission. If you wish to reapply for admission to our program, you may certainly do so. But I would strongly suggest that, in reapplying to us, or in applying for admission elsewhere, you choose some other piece of work with which to represent your abilities.

Cordially,
Prof. Ron Bontekoe, Graduate Chair
Department of Philosophy
University of Hawaii


Again, their "impression" is not totally off base..., but not really completely "objective" and, thus, fair, either! :-/  Oh, well!  I'll adjust and if I decide to do so, get in on the next come-around. [smiley=boxer.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Oct 16th, 2003, 11:24pm
Even though we may not agree.

I do have to say that at least they were honest and din't give you some horshe crap.  That way you know where you stand and can fix it.  

Keep your head up and try again if that is what you want.

Good Luck


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 16th, 2003, 11:35pm
The funny thing (or in hindsight maybe not so funny thing) is that the paper dates all the way back to my undergrad, nine years ago.  When "touching it up" I even mentioned to the professor, who I did the paper for and from whom came my main letter of recommendation, that I was SO shocked at how "opinionated" it was... I was.  He told me not to worry about it too much as that is indicative of undergraduate work.  Hell, I even indicated in my cover letter that this "old" paper was not really completely representative of who I am today, however.  I don't know...  It's a little tough to get the "heave-ho" based on a nine-year-old work when, otherwise, who I currently am is acceptable.

But, yes, it was nice that I got a direct answer (I "asked for it", actually), so I know both a) what to fix and b) that there is still hope.  It is a dream of mine to attend this program, so I did need to know the real deal.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 17th, 2003, 10:17am

on 10/16/03 at 23:35:10, StegRock wrote:
The funny thing (or in hindsight maybe not so funny thing) is that the paper dates all the way back to my undergrad, nine years ago.  When "touching it up" I even mentioned to the professor, who I did the paper for and from whom came my main letter of recommendation, that I was SO shocked at how "opinionated" it was... I was.  He told me not to worry about it too much as that is indicative of undergraduate work.  Hell, I even indicated in my cover letter that this "old" paper was not really completely representative of who I am today, however.  I don't know...  It's a little tough to get the "heave-ho" based on a nine-year-old work when, otherwise, who I currently am is acceptable.

But, yes, it was nice that I got a direct answer (I "asked for it", actually), so I know both a) what to fix and b) that there is still hope.  It is a dream of mine to attend this program, so I did need to know the real deal.


The good news is they didn't BS you and that you can reapply for the fall.  

So do you have to write an entirely new paper or are you going to submit another paper?  

Do you think they will accept a paper on the 'virtues' of fantasy football?   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Oct 17th, 2003, 11:45am
At this point, I'd probably compromise any personal principles and write exactly what they are looking for, and then shake the place up once you're accepted.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 27th, 2003, 10:54pm
Off the topic of my bullshit,... anybody out there who is in the area of these fires out in southern California, God bless.  For those that have not been affected, I hope you remain shielded.  For those that have, I hope for a rapid and complete recovery.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Oct 28th, 2003, 9:54am

on 10/27/03 at 22:54:39, StegRock wrote:
Off the topic of my bullshit,... anybody out there who is in the area of these fires out in southern California, God bless.  For those that have not been affected, I hope you remain shielded.  For those that have, I hope for a rapid and complete recovery.


I had a conference call yesterday afternoon and most of the participants were from SoCal.  One of them, whose office was located just outside San Diego, said they left the office earlier in the day when the flames were about 7 miles away and continuing to approach.  He is originally from the midwest and said it reminded him of the blizzards he was accustomed to, but the snow was gray and black and it smelled awful.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by steelkings on Oct 28th, 2003, 1:36pm
I both work in fire restoration as well as had the personal experiance of losing a home to fire. The destruction is unbelievable. Its hellish. When you go through the rubble searching for remains of personal belongings ,you get harrassed by flies that are drawn the the area. Looters and onlookers make the experiance that much more aggrivating. The thought that this started by arson is insane! This person shold be away for a long time.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Oct 28th, 2003, 1:44pm
Where I live in NJ is very close to the Pine Barrens (acres and acres of pine trees, oak trees, a few highways leading to the Jersey Shore, and not much else).  The Pines are very susceptible to fire, and, more often than not, it is started by someone just tossing a lit cigarette out their car window.  That irritates me to no end... but to think someone started a fire on purpose...  I agree with your assessment sk, although just being put away for a long time is not even enough to compensate for the untold damage and life that has been destroyed as a result of the fires.


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by steelkings on Oct 28th, 2003, 4:59pm
[smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 28th, 2003, 5:18pm

on 10/28/03 at 13:36:50, steelkings wrote:
I both work in fire restoration as well as had the personal experiance of losing a home to fire. The destruction is unbelievable. Its hellish. When you go through the rubble searching for remains of personal belongings ,you get harrassed by flies that are drawn the the area. Looters and onlookers make the experiance that much more aggrivating. The thought that this started by arson is insane! This person shold be away for a long time.


Wow!  That sucks!  I've always thought that would be one of the worst things to "live" through.  I feel for ya, man, though, honestly, it would be foolish of me to say, "I understand"!  I surely don't.  That's beat!  If you want to divulge, how long ago did that happen?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by steelkings on Oct 28th, 2003, 5:24pm
Ok, I give up. Ive looked in search, in help and just generally played with it. All to no avail. Please someone tell me how to use the qoute funtion. I click on qoute but cant get it to highlite. Steg , you used to teach. Tell it to me like you would a six year old. No. a six year old could do it. Tell it to me like you would a computer illiterate 40 yr old. [smiley=monkey.gif] I know its a pain in the butt. i'm beggin here!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by steelkings on Oct 28th, 2003, 5:46pm
24 yrs ago. I was 16 at the time. we lived in a 2 story home. My room was on the second floor ajacent to my mothers. ( split family) About 4:00am I woke up and smelled strong smoke. Being half asleep I figured mom left something on the stove. I jumped up and headed for the kitchen. As soon as I opened the bedroom door I knew I was in trouble. The thickest black smoke filled the room in seconds. I shut the door and started yelling for mom.( its not always true about feeling the door first. the door was solid wood , while the knob metal. the inside knob wasnt hot. I think the metal would have carried the heat through the door.) After gathering myself I decided to kick through the drywall to her room. She sleeps like a log. I woke her and we went onto an over hang outside her window. The neighbor had brought a ladder to help us down. We got out all the animals who fortunatly were sleeping in her room that nite. We had a volenteer F.D in town. It took them a long time to get there. when they did they discovered they had emptied the water truck for a town funtion. We lost everthing. I will never forget the gutters melting off the house. You know. the old metal type gutters.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 28th, 2003, 8:15pm
That's a brutal story, bro.  That was great the way you basically saved your mom, though!  But, man, your toys and stuff and everything...

...

Anyway, on to the less meaningful and more mundane...  the "quote" feature...  Once you get this down, you'll be free to go, right?  Just kidding!  Anyway, here is a quote:


on 10/28/03 at 17:24:15, steelkings wrote:
Tell it to me like you would a six year old.


Now, that quote was made because the text "Tell it to me like you would a six year old." was in between the following two pieces of code:


Code:

on 10/28/03 at 17:24:15, steelkings wrote:
AND


The sentence "Tell it to me like you would a six year old." is between the "] ["!  You see...  It is like this,
"...24:15]Tell it to me like you would a six year old.[/quote]"

So, your lesson (not being condescending here, am I? ;) ) (I would suggest you do this in two browser windows, by the way)...  In the other browser window, simply come back to this thread and "Reply" to it like you always do and go ahead and cut and paste the sentence and the "quote" code, putting the sentence:

Tell it to me like you would a six year old.

between the "] [" in the code:

Code:

on 10/28/03 at 17:24:15, steelkings wrote:


I.e., do it like this,
"[quote (blah, blah, blah... don't change anything from the code above, though)...24:15]Tell it to me like you would a six year old.[/quote]"

Your post should look right as long as you did EXACTLY what I explained.

...

The point being, you ALWAYS need to "close the 'quote' code" with a "[/quote]" at the end of the stuff you want quoted.  Got it!

NOW, practice...

...

Now, you got it!  If so, how do you get that "quote" code to appear like that automatically?  You just click the "quote" link that is in the upper right-hand corner of EVERY post, where it says "Quote", and the according "quote" code will appear automatically where you type your message.  JUST DON'T TYPE OVER ANYTHING that was automatically generated!  Just type underneath it all!  Give it a try!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by BarnabyWilde on Oct 29th, 2003, 1:34am

on 10/27/03 at 22:54:39, StegRock wrote:
Off the topic of my bullshit,... anybody out there who is in the area of these fires out in southern California, God bless.  For those that have not been affected, I hope you remain shielded.  For those that have, I hope for a rapid and complete recovery.


I work for a police and fire dispatch center here in Northern California. We have sent personel down south to help combat the fires. Normally in times like these, fire fighters will travel long distances to help fight big fires like this. We sent fire fighters to Montana earlier this year to fight that huge forest fire there. It's times like these where people come together...I am very proud of our fire department here in Vacaville.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by captainpurple on Oct 29th, 2003, 10:24am

on 10/29/03 at 01:34:52, BarnabyWilde wrote:
It's times like these where people come together...I am very proud of our fire department here in Vacaville.


Wish I could say the same for my fellow Phoenicians.  Don't get me wrong!  Our fire-fighters that are going over there deserve all our pride and support.  It's the rest of us civilian schmucks that are embarrassing!

We get a FREE MNF game and pack the stadium with 73000 fans, all for a simple honor-system donation, and all we can come up with is $213K!!??   [smiley=nono.gif]

$3 a head!??   That's simply embarrassing.  I guess that's what you get when you give away something free on a college campus.

Here's hoping those deserving and requiring help get it, and those of us who can help do so.


GO VIKES!  Bring on the Cheeseheads!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 29th, 2003, 12:27pm

on 10/29/03 at 10:24:37, captainpurple wrote:
We get a FREE MNF game and pack the stadium with 73000 fans, all for a simple honor-system donation, and all we can come up with is $213K!!?? [smiley=nono.gif]

$3 a head!??   That's simply embarrassing.  I guess that's what you get when you give away something free on a college campus.


How telling is that?  Where are all the liberal bleeding hearts?  Where are all the protesters, oh, I mean habitual bitchers (habitchers [smiley=LMFAO.gif] ), now?  When tragedy strikes, nary a peep!  BUT, when the cleanup gets underway, they, mind you not necessarily the people who actually lost homes and lives and stuff, will be there throwing eggs at Arnold and holding up their signs complaining about something.  This is all written with all due respect to our brave (and thrill-seeking) firemen, who represent only an infinitesimal percentage of the population and whose jobs it actually is to fight fires (though not necessarily these fires).  While they should be commended for their actions, it is the actions of the rest of the nation "as a whole" that indicate the direction our society is going in and it just so happens that this time we had the unique opportunity to observe that "silent majority" in "inaction" by way of this MNF game.  We don't usually get the microscope turned back on us like that! [smiley=no.gif]

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by 5-on-it on Oct 29th, 2003, 1:06pm
Pretty pathetic, huh Steg? Like I said before, "we are circling the drain". What I keep wondering though...is...Does it just  seem like there aren't that many people that get it because we mostly just see/hear about the dumb dumbs?

[offtopic] RE: Limbaugh/Sapp [/offtopic]

Back to this thing for a moment: I see that Warren Sapp has been "rewarded" for his racial comments with a spot on the new NFL network. How does this work?

I don't condone MR. Limbaugh's statements about MY BOY D.McNabb, BUt now that I see that it's ok for Sapp to state "how he feels", then WHY THE FUCK CAN'T Limbaugh say what he thinks?

Tired of the double standards, hipocracy, and racism!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by captainpurple on Oct 29th, 2003, 1:28pm

on 10/29/03 at 13:06:05, 5-on-it wrote:
I don't condone MR. Limbaugh's statements about MY BOY D.McNabb, BUt now that I see that it's ok for Sapp to state "how he feels", then WHY THE FUCK CAN'T Limbaugh say what he thinks?


Careful!   They "MY BOY" statement could be construed as a racial epitath, perfectly fine in every day conversation by a minority; however, completely inappropriate for use by one who is not.   :-/



Anyway, back on topic.  Would be very interesting (and probably completely demoralizing) to find out how many of those who "stiffed" the donation bucket had plenty left over for $6 beers and $4 brats!


Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Oct 29th, 2003, 1:34pm

on 10/29/03 at 13:28:33, captainpurple wrote:
Anyway, back on topic.  Would be very interesting (and probably completely demoralizing) to find out how many of those who "stiffed" the donation bucket had plenty left over for $6 beers and $4 brats!



I was thinking the same thing.  It would be very interesting to see the gross sales from the concessions that night.  I would bet it is at least 4x what they got in donations for the relief efforts.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Oct 29th, 2003, 11:12pm
BW, you didn't happen to know that fireman who died in the fires from the San Francisco Bay area, did you?  He wasn't from Vacaville, was he?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by 5-on-it on Oct 30th, 2003, 2:30am
He was not from Vacaville, he was from Novato, about a half an hour west of us...close to SF. 38 years old.

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Philly on Nov 5th, 2003, 10:42am
Well, Election Day is behind us.  I hope everyone got out and voted.

Hey Noey, did your wife get elected?

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by Noey21 on Nov 5th, 2003, 4:36pm


Thanks for asking.

Yes she was elected.  Pretty easily which was surprising.  Thanks to all who supported and sent good thoughts.  It shows hard work does pay off.  Now I can actually relax this weekend.  Who are the waterboys around here I need a lot to drink. [smiley=alcoholic.gif]

It was quit rewarding and I think I actually got more excited than she did.  Now being her husband it is my duty to make sure she is true to her word [smiley=chief.gif] and does what she said she would.

I will keep you all posted on things and if any decides to run for anything we are willing to help.  We have learned a lot of what works and what doesn't and can just give pointers.

Thanks again!

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by 5-on-it on Nov 6th, 2003, 3:34am
Bob -  Watch out for those damn interns!

Sincerely,

Bill Clinton

Title: Re: the Bleachers
Post by StegRock on Nov 6th, 2003, 6:29am
Well, this post represents the last post of page 15 of this, our first-ever "the Bleachers" sticky thread.  I think this is about as deep as these should go.  As such, I am going to "cut this one loose", lock 'er up and let 'er drop and open a fresh, new one.  I am just so happy that so many seemed to enjoy "the Bleachers" sticky thread and used it in the way I had envisioned. [smiley=bow.gif]



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