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New York Giants off season report
« on: Mar 9th, 2003, 1:15pm »
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Normally, the Giants sit pretty dormant during the off season. But this year, they have been pretty active so far, with more to come.  
 
The most important thing the Giants had to do was re-sign left tackle Luke Petigout. Done. Next, was to re-sign Ike Hilliard. Done. Next step, upgrade their horrid special teams. So they go and sign kick return specialist Brian Mitchell from the Eagles, punter Jeff Feagles from the Seahawks, and long snapper Ryan Kuehl from the Browns. Done.  
 
They got rid of a few players as well. They cut Jason Sehorn, Matt Allen, and Herman Moore. TE Dan Campbell signed with the Cowboys, and OG Jason Whittle signed with Tampa Bay. They need to resign OL Mike Rosenthal too, so they are not looking at filling two holes in the offensive line that played so well together last year.
 
As for signing any more free agents, the Giants look to find a replacement for Whittle and maybe a few more defensive linemen. According to their plans, they won't be signing anymore big money free agents like Hugh Douglas, Roosevelt Colvin, or Mike Peterson. They also plan on drafting a defensive lineman in the first round of this year's draft.
 
Below is a link to an article found on the Gridiron Newstand...
 
http://nypost.com/sports/giants/55630.htm
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #1 on: Mar 9th, 2003, 2:21pm »
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Nice find on the article there, BW!
 
As per the article...  Funny how well Fassel and Hilliard are/seem to be getting along nowadays, especially vis-a-vis the words they were "exchanging" this time last year.  I guess has a way of healing everything.
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #2 on: Mar 12th, 2003, 3:59pm »
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The Giants signed 2 more smaller fish to fill a few holes. FB Jim Finn of the Colts and CB Ray Green of the Dolphins.  
 
http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/giants.htm
 
Hey Bouve, any intell on this guy? Looks like a role player/reserve type guy.
 
 
The G-Men are also close to resigning FS Omar Stoutmire too...
 
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/66394p-61837c.html
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #3 on: Mar 12th, 2003, 7:10pm »
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If I recall correctly, Jim Finn was the last player selected in the draft a few years back and has actually turned into a decent player.
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Re: New York Giants off season report
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The Giants signed 2 more smaller fish to fill a few holes. FB Jim Finn of the Colts and CB Ray Green of the Dolphins.  
 
http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/giants.htm
 
Hey Bouve, any intell on this guy? Looks like a role player/reserve type guy.
 
 
The G-Men are also close to resigning FS Omar Stoutmire too...
 
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/66394p-61837c.html

 
Yeah Green was basically a role player but he was decent on special teams and saw a little game action in dime and nickle on a few occassions. Don't expect much from him unless he gets a chance to earn a starting job in which case he may be a welcome addition.
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #5 on: Mar 12th, 2003, 10:14pm »
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Thanks Bouve. I think the Giants will give him a shot to win the nickel spot opened up by the release of Sehorn.
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #6 on: Mar 18th, 2003, 2:31pm »
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Here is ALL the NEWS regarding the latest stir about Ron Dayne:  his absence from offseason team workouts, his wanting to be traded and the Giants' bringing Dorsey Levens in for a look-see:
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/68055p-63320c.html;
 
http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/32398.htm;
 
http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/104797268864650 .xml;
 
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants183179054mar18,0, 7432088.story?coll=ny%2Dgiants%2Dheadlines;
 
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMjAmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTYzNTU0NjkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2;
 
http://www.silive.com/giants/advance/index.ssf?/base/Sports/104799877818 8300.xml.
 
As I have stated many times before, I would really like Ron to get a chance elsewhere.  The Giants offense is so tailored to Barber, that Dayne does not even fit it at all anymore.  One of the pieces above points out that Dayne's fate might have been sealed when he was in on a play that Barber was supposed to have been in on during their playoff game against the 49ers.  It was a pass play to the tailback and the results were disastrous.  Dayne needs a fresh start and Levens stylistically would make a better backup to Barber as I see it.  I say part ways with Dayne, which would be the best for everybody involved, and bring in Dorsey.  What do you all think?
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #7 on: Mar 19th, 2003, 3:05am »
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I'd like to see the Giants sign Levens and trade Dayne, maybe for a mid round pick. I think signing Jones is critical. He is worth more than a 6th round pick IMO.
 
Getting a few O-Linemen to replace Whittle and the possible departing Rosenthal is also very important.
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #8 on: Mar 19th, 2003, 2:01pm »
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During my usual daily FF research session, I stumbled on a few more goodies regarding the situation with RB Ron Dayne today on "the Gridiron Newsstand".  I just thought I'd share:
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/68346p-63578c.html;
 
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants193179898mar19,0, 1131448.story?coll=ny%2Dgiants%2Dheadlines;
 
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMjAmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTYzNTU4NDQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2;
 
http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,708534,00.html.
 
BW, you and I are on the same page.  Let the guy go and move on (both him and the team) to greener pastures and better times.
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #9 on: Mar 19th, 2003, 2:54pm »
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on Mar 19th, 2003, 2:01pm, StegRock wrote:
BW, you and I are on the same page.  Let the guy go and move on (both him and the team) to greener pastures and better times.

 
Greener pastures or longer buffet lines?  
 
Anyway, from one who saw Dorsey play last year, he's still got some gas left in the tank.  I thought he made the most of his limited opportunities last year and would be an ideal #2 to Tiki...
 
That being said, I hope it doesn't happen - for the Eagles sake.
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #10 on: Mar 21st, 2003, 12:24pm »
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Well, two fifths of last year's offensive line that played so well have  left. Looks like retooling time, just like last year. At least Pettigout, Bober and Seubert are still there. Now we need to replace the whole right side. Hope they can gel like last year!
 
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 21st, 2003, 12:31pm »
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In other news, FS Stoutmire re-signs, keeping one of the Giants strengths,the seconday intact.
 
 
http://www.giants.com/team/index.cfm?cont_id=171303
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #12 on: Mar 25th, 2003, 1:29pm »
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Well, finally, the option of trading Dayne is being mentioned and speculated.  Here is the report out of "the Gridiron Newsstand":
 
http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/104857745931436 0.xml.
 
Is there really any chance of this happening?  I, for one, hope so.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 29th, 2003, 11:35pm »
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Minor Giants signing, they added depth to their defensive line by adding DE Keith Washington...still no word on Dayne and the trade rumors yet, hopefully they'll move him soon.
 
 
http://www.giants.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=172683&right_include=/i ncludes/eisens_archive_module.cfm
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1531409.html
 
Couldn't find any other source on the moment... the article above is Tiki Barber restructring his contract ONCE again. The move will give the Giants $1.5 mill of extra cap space this year.
 
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #15 on: Apr 1st, 2003, 5:45pm »
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Well, the Giants are definitely gettin' pissed at Dayne.  Moreover, they are taking a long look at Stacey Mack. Here is ALL the LATEST from our very own "Gridiron Newsstand":
 
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-dayne273193833mar27,0,5 022178.story?coll=ny%2Dgiants%2Dheadlines;
 
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMjAmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTYzNjA4NzImeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2;
 
http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/104918312929568 0.xml;
 
http://www.silive.com/giants/advance/index.ssf?/base/Sports/104920652575 770.xml.
 
Feast up, boyz! What do you think about this news as it relates to Mack, DickDangler... , everybody?
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #16 on: Apr 1st, 2003, 6:12pm »
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I was hoping Mack would go to the Texans and compete for the starting job. Having Mack in New York will cut into Tiki's goal line chances, hurting his fantasy stock. Plus, the Giants don't have that much money left to spend, unless a few more vets restructure. They still need some cash for the rookies coming in.
 
As a Giants fan, I'd rather see them sign a cheaper alternative, say, Dorsey Levens and then trade Dayne and let him compete for a job. I still say he can be effective if he gets 20-25 carries a game. If the Giants can get a mid round pick for him, then by all means, ship him out...
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Re: New York Giants off season report
« Reply #17 on: Apr 4th, 2003, 6:32pm »
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Right off... my TV set, New York's Eyewitness News, the New York local affiliate newscast for ABC, just reported that the Giants just signed RB Dorsey Levens and that Ron Dayne could be on the way out!  This, right from my TV set to your computer screen.  WOW!
 
Now, guys, be on the lookout for confirmation from the newspaper links on "the Gridiron Newsstand"!
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 5th, 2003, 12:26am »
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Here are some confirming reports straight off the Gridiron Newsstand and the REAL FEED

 
 
 
http://www.startribune.com/stories/503/3805326.html
 
 
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/wire/sns-ap-fbn-giants-lev ens,0,2495447.story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dgiants%2Dheadlines
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 5th, 2003, 12:45am »
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BW, we were doin' the same thing at the same time there and this time you beat me to the punch!
 
I will include this gem, the first non-AP report that has come out of "the Gridiron Newsstand", though, for those willing to sign up at the New York Times web site:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/05/sports/football/05giants.html.
 
It is worth signing up for.  As stated, it is the first report that has come out besides the one from the Associated Press.  It discusses in more detail what they saw in and like about Levens and the likelihood of Dayne's departure due to the Levens signing.  It is a good read!
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 5th, 2003, 4:44pm »
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I saw on ESPN today that the Giants have brought in kicker Mike Hollis today as well. Maybe he can win the job outright or push one of their younger guys (Poachman or Bryant) into performing better...
 
Here is a link from the Real Feed...
 
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030410-010537-2486r
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Don't know is this merits it's own thread, but here is the Giants 2003 Draft Preview...courtesy of the Real Feed...
 
 
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 16th, 2003, 7:23pm »
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Well, first sighted on "The REAL Feed", then corroborated on "the Gridiron Newsstand"...  Doesn't look like Dayne is going anywhere too soon:
 
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/wire/sns-ap-fbn-giants-day ne,0,2327556.story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dgiants%2Dheadlines.
 
However, as noted in the article, during the draft might be a good time to move him!  Any thoughts?
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I REALLY think the Giants are going to hold on to him.  He does not cost that much vs. releasing him, and he does add a nice dimension to that running game.   Why not have 3 backs in the fold?  4 if you count Brian Mitchell.    
 
IF he does go anywhere, I see Carolina, Minnesota, or Detroit going for him.  They all need a little RB depth based on injuries or just lack of players.  However, I see Detroit and Carolina taking a RB in the mid rounds.
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 28th, 2003, 6:40pm »
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Well, after watcing almost the entire draft this weekend, I sat back and reflected on how the Giants fared. Here is my take:
 
Round 1: William Joseph, DT, Miami: Don't know why he slipped so far, but I am not complaining. Will make an impact right away, rotating in with Hamilton and Griffin on the inside.  
 
Round 2: Osi Umenyiora, DE, Troy St.: Who? Never heard of the guy until after the Giants drafted him. The front office is real high on him, saying he is a raw speed rusher with great potential. They must see something there. I think it was a reach, but we will see.
 
Round 3: Vishante Shiancoe, TE, Morgan St.: Another reach here, but the Giants think he could be a  compliment Shockey. Not a big need for the Giants, but with the loss of Campbell...I dunno.
 
Round 4: Rod Babers, DB, Texas: FInally a pick that made sense after the last two. This guy is a playmaker who may come in to camp and with the nickle spot. Is a little small, but has a great eye for making the big play.
 
Round 5: David Diehl, OG, Illinois: Will add depth to the line as a backup. Has good skills and may start someday.
 
Round 6 and 7: The Giants did well in the later rounds, picking up a few receivers, David Tyree from Syracuse, Willie Ponders of SE Missouri St,  and Kevin Walter from Eastern Michigan, DBs Frank Walker of Tuskegee and Charles Drake of Michigan, and Center Wayne Lucier of Colorado. All fo these players the Giants were targeting, according to GM Ernie Accorsi, and they got all of them, so they think they hada great draft. Don't know if they were the only ones targeting these guys, but, we shall see...  
 
I was shaking my head after rounds 2 and 3, but the Giants say they know who they wanted and got their guys, so much in fact they aren't bringing in many undrafted free agents to camp this year.
 
I rate the draft a low B-/C+. Joseph and Babers are solid, but the book is stillo ut on Umenyiora and Sciancoe.
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