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Bears Offseason Report
« on: Mar 24th, 2003, 11:57pm » |
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First off, an extensive and intense debate regarding QB Kordell Stewart's going to Chicago and what his chances at success are is going on at the following thread:
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;a ction=display;num=1047600098.
Let's keep the Stewart discussion over there!
On this thread, let's announce and discuss other general and smaller news items regarding the Bears... such as the suggestion in the following article, brought to you by way of "the Gridiron Newsstand", that RB Adrian Peterson could push RB Anthony Thomas for the starting gig:
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=172011&right_incl ude=/includes/dsp_bearsnews_module.cfm&include=&show_headline=true. 
Any thoughts, fellas? Probably just early offseason rhetoric to light a fire under Thomas's ass, right? 
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #2 on: Apr 16th, 2003, 7:34pm » |
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Well, first seen on "The (up-to-the-minute) REAL Feed" and then substantiated by way of "the Gridrion Newsstand"... Da' Bears have finally given up on and officially released WR Marcus Robinson. It is the top headline on the following web page:
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/.
Any ideas on where he might end up? And, do you think he can ever be really productive ever again? I, for one, think not. I think he has lost a step... or three with ALL the rather serious injuries he has sustained. I see him going the way of Herman Moore, which does mean he will linger around for a year... or three. If he does have any gas left in the tank, I think Kansas City, Minnesota or St. Louis could be among intriguing destinations.
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #9 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 2:56pm » |
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on Jun 25th, 2003, 8:30am, bgsgfan wrote:| I am not even going to read the stories. I prefer to sit here and think this is a hoax, or if not, hopefully the NFL will step in and stop it. Absolutely sickening to even think about. |
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bg, you, the Ayn Rand "self-motivated" capitalist at heart, saying this!  You are starting to sound like a  ... and I LLLLLIKE IT!  Have you been poking around, in particular, in the Dostoevsky, Lao Tzu, Kant, Rahula, Russell, Marx, Emerson areas of my library?  
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #10 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 3:29pm » |
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LMAO - I knew you would eventually try to get back for my philosophy barbs.
For those who have read Ayn Rand, could you imagine "Rearden Steel sponsored by Visa"? Or better yet, could you imagine a real life character straight from Rand's fiction, lets say Papa Bear himself, George Halas condoning his Bears being renamed in this way?
There is something intensely personal about ownership. And by ownership, I don't mean the legal definition of it. I mean it in the sense that I feel the Gridiron is mine - ownership of the things that I value. That very intense feeling is betrayed by this act. This is the action of people who do not feel that same value for the Bears that their fans do.
If this story is true, it may just be the most important FF news of the year. Downgrade every Bears player! Run! Do not walk! to trade any player on your roster as soon as possible. If you are a bettor, prepare to reap a windfall betting against the Bears. Because, dear readers, attitudes from the top will seap down to the players below.
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #11 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 4:08pm » |
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Do know that I am NOT trying to "get back at you", bg! Perhaps, poke fun, I suppose, but all that from then was ALL good in my world... in my "mind". I harbor nothing! I meant what I meant VERY genuinely. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to start getting "teachy-preachy" right now. Suffice it to say, I know Ayn Rand somewhat. Are you up on your Russell yet? Learned about The Conquest of Happiness?
But, I digress! Yous all KNOW how much I LOVE  my Gridiron  that I have created here from my loins. That is not to say, that by way of my free will, I will not come to a "heartfelt" decision that "the Gridiron" is better off with sponsors. It does not mean the decision is ultimately the "best" or the "correct" one as we don't know the future, a necessary factor of "free will", but that doesn't mean I can't perceive it as being the best move at the time. Being the poor rat-bast that I am, making NOTHING off this and yet having to work doubly hard because of a lack of fundage, I can definitely see how sponsorship would change my world (for better or worse I don't know) and "potentially" allow me to attain heights I cannot even imagine now given the VERY thin wallet I am working with. Of course, on the other hand, that would make me accountable to a detached third-party entity, which is why I have not done so yet and am going about things very patiently and methodically. I will NEVER put myself in a situation where I have to answer to someone who does not understand the inner-workings of this place. Point being, that second paragraph of yours, bg, though I like, understand and agree with the "spirit" of it, does not hold water logically when considering all the different kinds of people that exist in the world. What seems like betrayal to you, may not to me at all and may to someone else to a degree somewhere in between. It is just too contingent on a subjective generalization.
Okay, I couldn't help myself.  God, I can't wait to get back to grad school and be in my element! 
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #12 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 4:30pm » |
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on Jun 25th, 2003, 4:08pm, StegRock wrote:| ...though I like, understand and agree with the "spirit" of it... |
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Point of clarification, in case this segment above is confusing, what I mean, bg, is that regarding this I tend to agree with you, BUT I can definitely see, "with and within reason", someone's not agreeing with us. To claim otherwise is to speak too broadly and absolutely. 
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #13 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 4:49pm » |
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on Jun 25th, 2003, 4:08pm, StegRock wrote:| Do know that I am NOT trying to "get back at you", bg! Perhaps, poke fun, I suppose, but all that from then was ALL good in my world... in my "mind". I harbor nothing! |
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NO no no - I had a grin the moment I saw your post. I enjoy our philosophical differences - which really aren't that great. I think you are a kindred spirit who just doesn't realize it yet. I just know that every once in a while I like to poke fun at Eastern philosophy in particular and philosophy in general (including the study of) - and if I were you I would be looking for areas to poke fun back.
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No.  (lmao - obviously not up on Happiness yesterday) I have it on my reading list though - and I will get to it.
Quote:| What seems like betrayal to you, may not to me at all and may to someone else to a degree somewhere in between. It is just too contingent on a subjective generalization. |
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Oh man, Steg. Regardless of any type of political or philosophical theories or whatever.... this is DA BEARS! I mean, good lord next thing you know the Statue of Liberty will have a sponser! This is sacriligeous! The madness has to stop. Were you not the one who talked about the "right"ness of things?
If Bank One is truelly made up of Bears fans they won't do this.
BTW - I still think this is a hoax. I refuse to look up the links and find out that it may be true.
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #16 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 8:14pm » |
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on Jun 25th, 2003, 4:49pm, bgsgfan wrote:| NO no no - I had a grin the moment I saw your post. I enjoy our philosophical differences - which really aren't that great. I think you are a kindred spirit who just doesn't realize it yet. I just know that every once in a while I like to poke fun at Eastern philosophy in particular and philosophy in general (including the study of) - and if I were you I would be looking for areas to poke fun back. |
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Generally, I think all of us who originally came over here and stuck around are of a similar mold even if I don't seem to honor or see your and my kindredness sufficiently (which I may not  , but am trying to  ). That is why we are all here. It is just that when you speak about philosophy, which it seems you at least occasionally like to do, it would be nice to see you not be so apparently "unilateral" in your Ayn Rand position and be more, well, "multilateral". 
As for the issue of the Bears and all of sports in America slowly going in the direction of "capitalizing" on corporate dollars, though I TOTALLY identify with whence you are coming because I too as an American hold certain institutions and traditions dear, MOST professional leagues around the world exist ONLY because of corporate sponsors. Almost ALL professional sports teams abroad are "sponsored by a corporation, company or club" rather than "hosted by a city", which is the American tradition. In Korea's major league baseball league, it is the OB Bears, the Lotte Giants, the Samsung Unicorns, etc., etc., and it works. ALL OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, ultimately, with regards to your mentioning my striving for "rightness", this is NOT really an issue of "right" or "wrong", i.e. a real moral/ethical issue. It's not going to be the Bank One Bears, anyway, but even if it was, this is far from being a crucial moral dilemma, though it may be a sad commentary on our capitalist society and the direction we are headed in. 
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #17 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 8:49pm » |
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C'mon Steg. I have pushed and I have prodded and you are almost there. It IS a moral issue.
How dare they consider doing this?
How dare you possibly even think of a corporate sponsorship and not just working harder so us poor unfortunates can enjoy this site without outside interference?
You and I DO agree more than you think, brother.
Really, the only complicating issue here is thinking about the fact that the Bears (sponsored by Bank One or otherwise) are part of an organization called the NFL.
Quote:It is just that when you speak about philosophy, which it seems you at least occasionally like to do, it would be nice to see you not be so apparently "unilateral" in your Ayn Rand position and be more, well, "multilateral".
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I went through an exploratory phase in my life. i came out with certain tendencies. I am willing to constantly challenge my beliefs, however, and hopefully adjust presented adequate reasons. After reaching a certain age, maturity, stubborn-ness, I am getting more reluctant to delve into new ideas - but hopefully I will never completely stagnate (i.e. I will check out your suggestions).
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #18 on: Jun 25th, 2003, 11:06pm » |
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on Jun 25th, 2003, 8:49pm, bgsgfan wrote:
I am supposing you mean in the "bigger" systemic sense. I mean it's like my take on the abortion issue. It's not right objectively speaking and the pro-choice position is philosophically and logically silly, but to expect people to live according to a pro-life/anti-abortion line in today's world, not just in America, is not really reasonable at best, simply preposterous at worst. It's not about succumbing to a hedonistic "human nature"; it's not about selling out on "the ideal" (in both senses of the word); it's about living in this day and age and not being miserable, making a reasonable, mindful and thoughtful compromise, one that still allows you to basically maintain your conviction, but to a degree that permits you to maintain your sanity and general happiness as well. Ultimately, we have to live in "today" since the wheels of change grind away at an extremely slow pace, but with an eye towards "tomorrow" so as to propel that wheel in the right direction. 
Other than that, ... 
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #19 on: Jun 26th, 2003, 9:04am » |
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Totally different sidetrack here, but its amazing how we get to the same conclusion from 2 totally different lines of reasoning. I believe there cannot be any compromise on a moral issue. Abortion is wrong. The less of it, the better. How do you get less of it? That I don't know, but legislation is not the answer (IMHO), and neither is killing abortion Dr.s, or vilifying the would be mothers.
Anyhow, all I was trying to do is say that it is your right to do with this website what you want. It is not only your right, it is right to work your ass off to achieve your vision.
I was just playing devil's advocate by taking the opposite stance (to the best of my ability) and see if I could force someone to think. I should have dropped it when I saw that it was you, but for some reason that just made me push harder.
I wanted you to get to the point where you said, "Dammit bg, I am going to make this be what I want it to be and the world be damned if it gets in my way." By saying that you would see where the Bears organization is.
Sometimes you seem to get so close, but then you get that whole middle of the road thing going and you fall away. I don't see this as a subjective issue at all - its the Bear's organization's right to change their name in any way they see fit - and right for them to push to achieve their vision, to grow, to achieve.
BTW - should all of this stay here in the Red Zone?
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #21 on: Jun 26th, 2003, 12:44pm » |
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on Jun 26th, 2003, 9:04am, bgsgfan wrote:| BTW - should all of this stay here in the Red Zone? |
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Digressions are fine after the fact. Ultimately, based on the topic of the thread, someone will eventually "bring it back around", AND, might I add, to your and my credit, we did typically bring our discourse back to the Bears situation in the end(s) (of most of our posts).
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #22 on: Jun 26th, 2003, 4:15pm » |
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on Jun 26th, 2003, 9:04am, bgsgfan wrote:| ...but its amazing how we get to the same conclusion from 2 totally different lines of reasoning. |
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bg, (as you probably already grok) that is because "the truth" (of something, of this or that) does NOT change; it is what it is; whereas, perspectives do change, or should I say, vary; they are the gray; the truth (of something, of this or that) is actually quite black-and-white, and you and I, my friend, are seekers of the truth and that is where our kindredness lies, I believe, and how we can come to the same conclusion despite each of us taking totally different paths. Hypothetically, if "the truth" were "4", I, a lover of symmetry, may see it as 2 + 2; you, who appreciates coloring outside the lines, may perceive it as 3 + 1; another very creative soul may see it as -47 + 51, and another person thinking totally out of the box may see it as 2 X 2, which, given these circumstances, is ironically quite similar to seeing it as 2 + 2. But, whatever, "the truth", the "answer", remains "4" in all cases.
Okay, enough talking to myself... 
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Re: Bears Offseason Report
« Reply #23 on: Jun 26th, 2003, 6:49pm » |
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on Jun 26th, 2003, 4:15pm, StegRock wrote:
bg, (as you probably already grok) that is because "the truth" (of something, of this or that) does NOT change; it is what it is; whereas, perspectives do change, or should I say, vary; they are the gray; the truth (of something, of this or that) is actually quite black-and-white |
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 I might just have that done up in calligraphy and framed. Beautiful! (absolutely no sarcasm intended here)
BTW - I am a big Heinlein fan also - I love it when we grok an issue together.
And the sponsorship lines brought me to my kness.
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