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QB's Collins, Couch and Warner and now Gannon
« on: Apr 27th, 2004, 4:03am » |
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Well, it seems as though it is a foregone conclusion that all three of these guys, all of whom had such high hopes not too long ago, will not be returning to their respective current clubs in '04. They will probably all be cut on June 1st.  ... 
So, where will each of them wind up and at what capacity?
Before giving my thoughts and tainting the pool right off the bat, I am going to let you guys have first crack! All three of these guys could surely muddy the waters of not a few teams' QB depth charts.  ... 
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #3 on: Apr 27th, 2004, 11:33am » |
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on Apr 27th, 2004, 8:56am, bakes781 wrote:
Kurt had the worst game of his career against the G-men. Do you really think that will go over well in NY?
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It was one game... I'm sure the team won't focus on that game during the press conference announcing his arrival. They'd probably bring up things like Super Bowl wins and MVP trophies. Besides, the team already has players questioning the team's intentions for the 2004 season. The players figured with a couple O linemen and some key defensive players, they would be playoff contenders in 2004. Now the prospect of starting a rookie QB indicates rebuilding.
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As for Collins, I've heard AZ is the 1st team to have shown interest. And Tim Couch may be traded to GB to possibly be given a chance as Brett's future replacement.
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I too heard Arizona for Collins. I also heard San Diego, but can't recall whether that was pre- or post-draft.
The talks of Couch to Green Bay have certainly cooled off, but I still think it must be in the works. The Pack did not draft a QB, so it makes sense for them to continue to try to work a trade or wait for Couch to be released.
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #5 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 3:43pm » |
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I'm not going to give very elaborate arguments for these as most of it is just what my gut tells me. Note, the teams are listed in order of likelihood as I "see" it:
Collins - Ravens (immediately to back up and push Boller, but eventually perhaps replacing him and becoming a stopgap), Buccaneers (thrown into the mix, likely to be groomed to be the immediate backup to Johnson), Raiders (at first to back up Gannon, but eventually maybe to take over), Bears (at first at least to back up and push Grossman), Saints (in the immediacy to back up and PUSH Brooks, whose leadership capabilities are in question big-time and who has been VERY disappointing over the last couple years, and maybe then taking over), Dolphins (thrown into the mix with a decent chance of coming out on top), Browns (to back up Garcia).
Couch (who, actually, oddly and sadly, I "feel" will have the fewest options of the three) - Packers (going with the rumors here, which do make some sense, of his being groomed behind Favre), Cowboys (thrown into the mix and could very well come out on top), Broncos (to back up Jake), Browns (yes, back to his old team to once again be groomed, this time behind Garcia, someone he can really and truly learn from).
Warner (the guy I "feel", for whatever reason, will have the most options of the three) - Chiefs (back with Vermeil as the perfect guy to back up Green and with the right coach to persuade him), Cardinals (I don't care what Denny Green says about McCown at this point, he would love to have Warner hawkin' the ball up for his team to Boldin and Fitzgerald), Cowboys (ditto above), Buccaneers (ditto above), Broncos (ditto above), Ravens (Billick's wet dream, has a better chance to start from the get-go over Boller than Collins), Raiders (ditto above), Dolphins (ditto above), Saints (ditto above), Giants (to start over Manning in the very beginning).
That's my take! I hope it is a worthy contribution to the discussion and helps you wrap your mind around the situations. 
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #6 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 5:08pm » |
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on Apr 28th, 2004, 3:43pm, StegRock wrote:| Warner (the guy I "feel", for whatever reason, will have the most options of the three) - Chiefs (back with Vermeil as the perfect guy to back up Green and with the right coach to persuade him), |
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For what it's worth, Vermeil has already stated that there is no chance that he'd bring Warner to the Chiefs. He'd have to be the third QB and the Chiefs can't afford to pay for Warner as a third QB.
Plus I can't imagine Trent Green's psyche was boosted when he was injured in STL and lost his job because of it. Bringing Warner into KC would just put that spectre over things again. Even if it is nothing more than a spectre, I doubt Vermeil would want to take that chance with a team that needs to move forward.
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #8 on: Apr 30th, 2004, 2:36pm » |
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Didn't know where best to post this, on the "Bears Offseason Report" thread or here. I decided here since it's speculation and not done deals. Without further ado, from "The REAL Feed":
Bears, Packers interested in Browns' Couch
SI.com: NFL (30.04.2004 12:49)
So, the Bears are now "officially" in the race to the Couch!
Here's LOCAL corroboration from "the Gridiron Newsstand":
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bears.asp.
The Bears are actually interested in Couch, Warner and Collins as per this piece:
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-040429c ouch,1,4074959.story?coll=cs-bears-headlines.
And, here is an article on the Bears' interest in Couch and Collins, specifically:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/bears/cst-spt-bear29.html.
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #11 on: May 6th, 2004, 8:50pm » |
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I'm posting this here as it is not a done deal... HOT off "the Gridiron Newsstand", Giants sniffin' HARD around Warner. Here is ALL the LOCAL corroboration currently available:
http://www.silive.com/sportsflash/giants/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story. ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?s0389_BC_FBN--Giants-Warner&&sports&njogiants;
http://www.app.com/nfl/giants/story/0,21405,958326,00.html;
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-spgiants063789798may06, 0,6867650.story?coll=ny-giants-bigpix;
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/190512p-164786c.html.
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #12 on: May 13th, 2004, 2:29am » |
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Here is ALL the LATEST on Warner-to-the-Giants and Collins-to-the-Raiders...
Currently topping "The REAL Feed":
Agent: Warner 'impressed' with Giants
SI.com: NFL (13.05.2004 00:06)
The rest regarding that off "the Gridiron Newsstand":
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/12/sports/football/12giants.html;
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/192544p-166430c.html;
(Good, clever title - "Kurt and Ernie"  )
http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/24039.htm;
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-spgiants113797115may11, 0,2808993.story?coll=ny-giants-print;
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMDYmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY1MjcxNjUmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2;
http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/108435311976390 .xml;
(VERY brief summary)
http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,962155,00.html;
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/Sports/Rams/1FA8F478 E43772A686256E9200199131?OpenDocument&Headline=Warner+pays+visit+to+Giants,+Coughlin.
Now, here are a couple pieces on Collins:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/192545p-166433c.html;
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/football/nfl/oakland_ raiders/8652596.htm?1c.
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #15 on: May 20th, 2004, 2:15am » |
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on May 18th, 2004, 2:07pm, Mossaholic wrote:
This visit never ended up taking place as per LOCAL sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand":
http://www.greenbaynewschron.com/packers/page.html?article=125890.
People are a bit puzzled by this. They think Collins may have something serious in the works, but no one seems to know with whom.
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #16 on: May 21st, 2004, 6:12pm » |
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Dribs and drabs continue to come out... From "the Gridiron Newsstand"...
On Collins to the Ravens or Raiders:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens21may21,0,17248 79.story?coll=bal-sports-football;
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/195388p-168828c.html.
On Warner to the Giants:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/17073.htm.
Meanwhile, Couch continues to lie on the couch and the phone receiver on the cradle. From "The REAL Feed":
Couch irked at in-limbo status, files grievance
ESPN: NFL (21.05.2004 15:03)
Browns QB barred from working out with teamUnable to work out with his teammates, despite being under contract for two more seasons, in-limbo Cleveland Browns quarterback Tim Couch has filed a grievance against the team.Filed through the NFL Players Association, the grievance could take weeks or ...
Here are the local report and the AP report from "the Gridiron Newsstand":
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/10851 3205643430.xml;
(AP Report)
http://www.cleveland.com/sportsflash/browns/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_sto ry.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?s0294_BC_FBN--Browns-CouchGrie&&sports&brownsnews.
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #18 on: May 23rd, 2004, 3:04pm » |
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Yea, Mossman, that news is ALL over "The REAL Feed":
Sources: Collins verbally agrees to join Raiders
ESPN: NFL (23.05.2004 12:33)
Collins to sign with Oakland this weekIt appears that Kerry Collins' short visit to the unemployment line is about to end. Released by the New York Giants on April 28, only four days after the club acquired Eli Manning in a blockbuster draft day trade, the nine-year veteran quarterback is poised ...
Report: QB Collins packing for Oakland
The Sports Network: NFL (23.05.2004 12:06)
Report: Collins going to Raiders ... as starter
ESPN: NFL (23.05.2004 10:26)
Oakland likely to dump GannonKerry Collins will sign this week with the Raiders and it won't be as a backup, according to the New York Daily News. Rich Gannon, the Raiders' longtime starter who is coming back from a shoulder injury, will be released, according to Saturday's edition of the Daily N...
Hows about that last one?  What does that mean for Gannon? 
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #19 on: May 23rd, 2004, 5:44pm » |
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WOW. I got this one wrong guys. I said that Gannon would not be cut/replaced. What does this say about all those backup QBs in OAK. I guess they don't have confidence in those guys.
I personally think this is a huge mistake for the Raiders. Gannon was the MVP 2 years ago. My how the times change. Looks like Gannon may go to Baltimore now, or maybe all those rumors about TB will come true. Who te hell knows.
I also think too many teams are going with unproven young QBs. Gannon and Warner will end up on some team and being very productive this year.
Oh well, as if Boston and Boldin were not enough, now Gannon, just not my year WEll, boys at least I still have Favre...OR IS HE NEXT????
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Re: QB's Collins, Couch and Warner...
« Reply #22 on: May 23rd, 2004, 10:41pm » |
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on May 23rd, 2004, 10:33pm, Callie wrote:| My guess is now Gannon heads to Tampa Bay after June 1st. He and Chucky want to be back together. |
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This is a funny one... My mind says, "yes," but my gut says, "no!" It seems like one of those sneaky situations that should go down, but "to everyone's surprise" doesn't. 
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