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Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
« Reply #5 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 4:32pm » |
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These are wideout-only rankings...
1. Chad Johnson
2. Roy Williams
3. Torry Holt
4. Javon Walker
5. Steve Smith
6. Marvin Harrison
7. Larry Fitzgerald
8. Reggie Wayne
9. Anquan Boldin
10. Marques Colston
*NOTE that these are according to my 7/29 rankings.
If you want to see ALL 50 of my ranked wide receivers as well as 25 ranked tight ends and MUCH, MUCH MORE, UPDATED AS OF TODAY, 8/15, head on over to StegsList.com!!! Also, if yous haven't figured it out yet, my "current" top 2 at QB, RB and WR are always viewable in that big preview graphic at the bottom the StegsList.com home page... 
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Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
« Reply #7 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 2:48pm » |
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Can someone explain to me why.......... CJ, Ocho Cinco, #85 or what ever you wish to call him. Why is he ranked so high on everyones list. My list will eventually be posted, but I just dont get it. I'm not even so sure he is the best reciever on that team. He's got the biggest mouth, thats for sure. This is the way I'm looking at it. The guy had 87 receptions for 1360 yards to go along with 7 TD's in 2006. Those numbers arent really exciting as they are. There even less exciting when you consider that 5 of those TD's and almost 600 of those yards came in the same three games. T.J. Hachoomanzahhaha had more receptions (90)than the "over rated one" in two less games. T.J Hachooyadayada also had 9 TD's in those two less games. What that tells me is that "The great mouth of Cincy" in 3 of the games in the 2006 season, was bad to the bone. The other 13 games he was average at best. My question to the group is : What changed to make him rank so high now? Just curious.
While I'm at it, why is T.O suddenly under the bus tires?(OK, half of you are Eagle fans. I get it!)......His numbers were similer to Johnsons last year. In my opinion he has more of an upside with an Improving Cowboys team than Johnson with a "same ole, same ole, if not worse Bengals team. How did he not crack anyones top 5 ? In fact he was left off two lists all together.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 3:17pm » |
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on Aug 16th, 2007, 2:48pm, steelkings wrote:Can someone explain to me why.......... CJ, Ocho Cinco, #85 or what ever you wish to call him. Why is he ranked so high on everyones list. My list will eventually be posted, but I just dont get it. I'm not even so sure he is the best reciever on that team. He's got the biggest mouth, thats for sure. This is the way I'm looking at it. The guy had 87 receptions for 1360 yards to go along with 7 TD's in 2006. Those numbers arent really exciting as they are. There even less exciting when you consider that 5 of those TD's and almost 600 of those yards came in the same three games. T.J. Hachoomanzahhaha had more receptions (90)than the "over rated one" in two less games. T.J Hachooyadayada also had 9 TD's in those two less games. What that tells me is that "The great mouth of Cincy" in 3 of the games in the 2006 season, was bad to the bone. The other 13 games he was average at best. My question to the group is : What changed to make him rank so high now? Just curious.
While I'm at it, why is T.O suddenly under the bus tires?(OK, half of you are Eagle fans. I get it!)......His numbers were similer to Johnsons last year. In my opinion he has more of an upside with an Improving Cowboys team than Johnson with a "same ole, same ole, if not worse Bengals team. How did he not crack anyones top 5 ? In fact he was left off two lists all together. |
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You know what sk? I don't know. Call it a gut feeling for me. I had Chad, Holt, Harrison, Smith, and Wayne all about the same. They could have all been my #1. My gut said CJ. I had T.O. at #6. If you tiered those 5 WR's I mentioned and made them Tier 1, then right outside of that would have been T.O., Roy Williams, Evans, Driver, and Fitz in my Tier 2. If you look at my rankings, you'd see Housh and a host of others in my 3rd Tier. To me WR's are lumped so closely together you could make an argument for any of the Top 10 or 15 positions.
If that helps explain it..I don't know. 
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 4:13pm » |
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In VERY short...
on Aug 16th, 2007, 2:48pm, steelkings wrote:| I'm not even so sure he is the best reciever on that team. He's got the biggest mouth, thats for sure. |
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Well, we disagree there...
Quote:| Those numbers arent really exciting as they are. There even less exciting when you consider that 5 of those TD's and almost 600 of those yards came in the same three games. |
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And, you can't go picking and choosing what to count and what not to count... When you start applying that across the board, it starts falling apart. To wit,... in fact it's the only fair thing to do if you are going to take this tack,... let's take out Houshmandzadeh's top three games. It's not as big of a hit, but, then again, he didn't have as good of a season. Sometimes it just is three HUGE games that make a difference in a fantasy season and in fantasy rankings. Bottom line, you have to apply the same "rules of scrutiny" to every player. If your rule is cut out players' three top games and analyze according to what you have left, then you have to do it across the board and, then, see what you have. You don't just do it to one player. That's called propaganda.
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We disagree, again. I think this team is going to be a mess on offense with Coach Wade at the helm and an overrated Romo over center.
Quote:| ...with a "same ole, same ole, if not worse Bengals team. |
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...which, with Palmer at the helm, could be a good thing, mind you, for a receiver.
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This, below, I am in absolute agreement with...
on Aug 16th, 2007, 3:17pm, MordecaiCourage wrote:| To me WR's are lumped so closely together you could make an argument for any of the Top 10 or 15 positions. |
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That's why doing top 10 rankings is really more about fun than substance. While this may be the difference between a bad and good fantasy owner, the distinction between good and great fantasy owners is not made based on owners' perceptions in the top 10. It's farther out where the cream rises...
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In any event, it would take a fortnight to really peel this onion back. As regards T.O., it would involve takes on the Cowboys as a team, Coach Wade, Terry Glenn, Hurd and Crayton, Romo, and so on. As regards C.J., it would require discussions of the Bengals as a team, what a supposedly improved Houshmandzadeh means, Henry's suspension, and so on. We could be here for the rest of our lives.
But, in any event, you, by your very own words, are the one diverging from the popular opinion here. The burden of proof/argument lies with you, my friend, not so much us. That's how argumentation typically works,... and that's why you see me arguing (in the good sense) so often around here... It's the plight of a visionary...
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 16th, 2007, 9:12pm » |
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Quote:| Sometimes it just is three HUGE games that make a difference in a fantasy season and in fantasy rankings. Bottom line, you have to apply the same "rules of scrutiny" to every player. |
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Not the way I see it. For him to be the best RC in football, as you labeled him, he needs to be consistantly good every week.As im sure you know, when you have to choose between several players on your roster, you are going to start those who are putting up. Not those who are less than average through 9 weeks.
Quote:| That's why doing top 10 rankings is really more about fun than substance. |
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Thats right, they are fun. They are also fun to scrutinize. I mean come on. When you have posted a WR who had a questionable year in the past season as no# 1, it raises a brow. Even more with the division he plays in. When you have have not one, but two Arizona Cardinal recievers ahead of T.O, I'm gonna want to know what you were thinking to get there. Thats why I posed the question. Not to be a brown noser, but I find you right more than wrong. However in this regaurd, I find it a little silly.
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Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
« Reply #12 on: Aug 17th, 2007, 9:37am » |
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on Aug 16th, 2007, 2:48pm, steelkings wrote:| Can someone explain to me why.......... CJ, Ocho Cinco, #85 or what ever you wish to call him. |
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I debated between him and Smith for the #1 spot. I chose not to be objective and put Smith #1 because I own him in the GBRFL2, so I wanted to feel better about him. Had I been objective, I may have chosen to put Ocho Cinco #1. He had a downish year last year (by elite receiver standards), but keep in mind that he was playing with a skittish Carson Palmer early and he was also facing increased scrutiny from the league concerning the fun we was having.
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I guess he turns some people off, but it's one of the things I love about him. He just makes the game fun.
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I might be the biggest Eagles fan here and I have TO ranked #5 overall. I don't see how that is throwing him to the street...? I just don't think he'll produce in the same manner as the 4 guys ahead of him -- and a lot of that is the QB that will be throwing to him. I'm not sold on Romo.
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Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
« Reply #15 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 2:41am » |
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on Aug 17th, 2007, 1:46pm, steelkings wrote:| 10. Kevin Curtis - Eagles |
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Now,... if anything NEEDS explaining...
I'm sorry, sk, but I see this as trying to be TOO original and daring to be different.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 19th, 2007, 5:05pm » |
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on Aug 19th, 2007, 5:02pm, steelkings wrote:| Not too original as I found out. I was thumbing through the Mag rack at the super market and ESPN's fantasy Mag also has Curtis in the 10th spot. |
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Well, then, the "originality" is to be attributed to them...
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Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
« Reply #18 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 3:48am » |
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Well, sk,... T.O., alas, made it into my Top 10 in my last set of Preseason Value Rankings posted September 2nd, jumped to #7 to be exact, and you can see where I've ranked him in my Week 1 Lineup Rankings, uploaded just a few minutes ago: StegsList.com!!! Enjoy! 
Incidentally, something else sk peripherally mentioned,... I've changed my mind  as regards the Cardinals  two big wideouts!!!  Again, it's all available at StegsList.com!!!
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