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Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« on: Dec 9th, 2002, 9:25am » |
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My use of "ebonics" in the subject line to promote my candidate aside, I want to gather the great minds of "the Gridiron" together and start compiling OUR list of candidates for the Most Valuable Player of the NFL regular season. This is NOT about being the MVFP, Most Valuable Fantasy Player. That is why this thread is here on "the Sidelines" and NOT in "the Red Zone". We will "tackle" that latter issue a little bit down the road and on the "appropriate" board. Right now, we are talking about the MVP as far as the NFL is concerned. Try to put aside fantasy-based biases when making your nominations. I plan to compile the results! 
As for me, well, what I think is pretty obvious based on what I put in the subject line (probably should not have done that as it could skew things, but what the hell... I am allowed to indulge myself once in awhile  )! Bottom line, it was just a matter of time for Johnson to become a force in Gruden's system and for Gruden to tweak his system to accomodate Johnson's strengths (by the way, the longest word in the English language with only one vowel/vowel sound )! It was just a matter of time before the silver lining of the cloud known as Rob Johnson, who is now #3 on the depth chart, wore away. Any perceived QB controversy has long past! Brad is their undisputed #1 while King and R. J. are rightfully serving as his caddies. Brad has led this team to the best record in the NFL and is just getting stronger and more comfortable in the system as time passes. Yet, as late as this past week, people, knowledgeable fantasy footballers, continue to trash-talk him, e.g. our very own Bandit here in "the Red Zone" in his thread asking for advice on his defenses. B. J. has (always has had) great pocket-presence and field-vision. While all the hype and NFL MVP talk as of late has been about the fast, mobile and versatile Vick, the QB perceived to epitomize the future in NFL QB's, it is the traditional pocket-passer who keeps racking up the wins and the stats to go with it. Take nothing away from Vick. He and his style of play have a place and, moreover, a bright future in the league. However, the bottom line is that "running" quarterbacks hit a brick wall at some point, when that running ability begins to fade with age. At some point, a quarterback has to be a quarterback, not a slash, not a runner... running back, which is what QB Brad Johnson epitomizes and does very well, might I also mention, with not the best tools at his disposal, i.e. a so-so offensive line, a sporadic running game and a banged-up, middle-of-the-road set of receivers. "JOHNSON B RAD!" Brad Johnson be the NFL MVP! 
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Re: Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« Reply #2 on: Dec 9th, 2002, 9:46am » |
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on Dec 9th, 2002, 9:37am, Jetdoc wrote:Are you stalking Brad Johnson?
Do you have a secret crush on him?
Does he have something on you?
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All of the above!     
Quote:| I would like to say that my favorite player (that should've been a non-surprise this year given his consistent performance) is Tiki Barber. In most of my leagues, the guy sitting in the #1 seed in the playoffs has Tiki as his second back. He'll go underappreciated again next year, and will be another steal in the 4th-5th round. |
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Well, anyway, let's bring this back around to the bigger topic at hand... So, are you nominating Tiki Barber for NFL MVP?
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Re: Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« Reply #3 on: Dec 9th, 2002, 10:30am » |
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I'm a Johnson backer, but I'm not sure about him as MVP. I think the Buc defense is what has carried them to their 10-3 record. Johnson has been solid - and has gotten better as the year has gone on.
But if you want me to predict who will get the MVP... I think Vick will get it. He really has carried the Falcons this year and is their most valuable player.
I personally think the MVP is Priest Holmes. He plays on a team with a poor defense, weak receivers, and a re-tread QB. Week-in week-out he is THE focal point of the opposing defense, yet still delivers mind-boggling numbers. Despite all of this, he still has his team in the playoff hunt. (Yes, there may be a slight bit of fantasy-bias in this evaluation, but I sincerely believe he is the MVP.)
So if you're asking who we would vote for: Holmes.
If you're asking us to predict who will receive the award: Vick.
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Re: Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« Reply #6 on: Dec 9th, 2002, 2:02pm » |
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How is Priest not the MVP? 10 300 yard games from Gannon? That's not an amazing feat when you throw 40 times a game.
And that's not even close to what Priest is doing this year. If Priest gets his 30 TD's, shattering Faulk's old record, I don't see how you don't give him the MVP.
Also, MVP doesn't just go to the player with the best stats. Garner, Rice, Brown, and Porter aren't exactly chumps. However, Priest Holmes is doing it with the fearsome threat of Trent Green, Eddie Kennison, and Johnnie Morton (Gonzo too).
My runner-up goes to Vick for obvious reasons. He doesn't win it because of his poor performances vs. the bucs.
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Re: Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« Reply #7 on: Dec 9th, 2002, 4:21pm » |
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The only knock on Priest is the losing team argument. I'll accept that a little, as it's not all that special to be the best, most valuable player on a losing team. They could have just as easily lost with out the guy. So Priest's chances are hampered here, unless we make the playoffs. He'll still be a contender, but probably not strong enough with out the winning record.
Vick edges Gannon right now, but if he doesn't snap right back from the Tampa pounding, and I mean with another BIG game, he risk's falling off just as fast as Favre did a couple of weeks ago.
Brad Johnson. Not worthy of consideration unless he finishes with extreme numbers in the final 3 games. He's still a more a "potential" than "production" player in my book. He's fared better so far than I'd projected, I would definetly give him team MVP. Gannon is heads and shoulders above in the race right now, but there are 3 weeks left for him to build on a very nice streak. I see him finishing with 3500+/- yards 27, maybe 28 td's. TD wise, that may be enough this year, but he's way off on yardage.
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Re: Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« Reply #9 on: Dec 10th, 2002, 3:01pm » |
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Hey - I have always like B. Johnson. I have him on several of my teams. However, he is not even the MVP of the Bucs (that honor belongs to Derrick Brooks), much less the league.
This year I see 3 serious candidates. In Priest Holmes, you have a running back who will break the season TD records both Emmitt and Marshall held - and he is doing this on a far worse team than either of those guys had. His season is one of the top 5 EVER overall for a RB, which is wild considering we also have a QB that is having one of the best ever seasons.
Check that, Rich Gannon is not having one of the best seasons ever, It is THE best season ever by any QB. Move over Marino, there is a new leader going into Guinness. Gannon is not only statistically prolific, he is the main cog for a great team, kind of like that RB they brought in down in south Florida.
I mean, who is more responsible for helping a team become great than Ricky Williams? 2 weeks in a row now he could have had the best single game rushing totals if he would have been used all game, but there was no need - he had already pounded the other team into submission. Ricky is the greatest traditional running back in the league. While Faulk and Holmes combine running and receiving, Ricky has the best overall running game with his total package of power, speed, shiftiness, and vision.
So who is the MVP? It has to be Rich Gannon. Not only is he shattering records, he is doing it on perhaps the most dominant team in the AFC, and he is also the leader of that team. Rich, if you are out there, they may not vote you as the MVP, but that doesn't matter, you ARE the MVP.
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Re: Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« Reply #10 on: Dec 10th, 2002, 4:55pm » |
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bgsgfan, Gannon indeed should be getting some hype. He's [i]not quite[/e] there yet. The yardage, well on track. The touchdowns, that bar has been set quite a bit higher in recent years. I see him getting 4 maybe 5 more passing tds. If he can top that with 6 to 8, putting him well over 30, and he gets the yardage record, I could live with that.
Course, with the phenominal final 3 weeks Priest is going to have, it's ALL moot! 
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Re: Gridiron NFL MVP Candidates... Johnson B "Rad"
« Reply #12 on: Jan 12th, 2003, 3:04pm » |
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Well, at least my fellow ATO brother Cris Collinsworth just gave me and Brad a little love... finally! Gannon deserved it and all, but Johnson should have been more talked-about from the commencement of the League MVP discussions. I heard barely a whisper of his name, except by a bold few  , amidst the SHOUTS for Gannon, Holmes or even this year's breakout sensation Vick.  
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