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(Message started by: StegRock on Aug 20^th, 2003, 3:49pm)

Title: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 20^th, 2003, 3:49pm

Fellas,

Just in case you guys are starting to discuss trades, remember when involving draft picks, it is a courtesy to keep things "even". In other words, if you were to, let's say, trade your 1st Round pick for a 2nd and a 3rd, the guy getting the 1st Rounder would also, at least, receive the other guy's current last pick (not including the "coach round"), which would right now stand at a 21st Round pick, UNLESS EXPRESSLY STIPULATED OTHERWISE! If no stipulations regarding the "compensatory" pick were explicitly expressed or if this facet was just simply forgotten by both parties, the (current) last pick would be the one moved, automatically, so to speak.

Just keepin' you guys on your toes,
Steve

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 21^st, 2003, 10:06pm

Guys,

Something else I should probably further clarify, especially when considering trades and in preparing for Week 1, free-agents are acquired in a weekly two-round, worst-to-first format (NOT a snake format). The prior year's final standings are used to determine the pecking order for Week 1 of a season. Since this is the "origination" draft for the league, Week 1's free-agent pecking order goes from worst-to-first for Round 1 and THEN SNAKES BACK (just this ONE time), i.e., Jamie, the guy who picked 10th in the draft, gets the first pick of the first round of free-agency Week 1, and then Jimmy C., the guy who picked 1st in the draft, gets the first pick of the second round. MOREOVER, FREE-AGENT PICKS CAN BE TRADED and you can go about acquiring as many free-agent picks as you want (unlike with draft picks where that "gentlemanly compensatory" pick is transferred). Hope this is clear!

Steg

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 21^st, 2003, 10:25pm

I'm a little confused on the free agency thing. Are we talking a free agent draft prior to the beginning of the season, or after the completion of week 1's games? I'm assuming the latter, meaning no free agency between the draft and the beginning of the season.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 22^nd, 2003, 12:18am

No, no... Sure you can pick up free-agents going into Week 1. After Week 1, Week 2's free-agents will be acquired according to the usual two-round, worst-to-first format. Week 1's free-agents, i.e. free-agents picked up going into Week 1, will be acquired according to the explanation in my post above (for this year). Every week, including Week 1, you simply indicate your free-agent requests when you submit your line-up for the week.

On that note, to further familiarize yourselves with things, you guys may want to dink around with the lineup submission pages:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/line-upssubmissionform.htm.

Click around and get a "feel" for it first and then I would strongly advise each of you to try submitting a dummy lineup. To do so click where it says, "Guests Click Here" in the left frame. Good luck and enjoy! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by Philly on Aug 22^nd, 2003, 8:43am

Just to clarify this Free Agent pickup thing for me a bit...

Example...

I have QB Joe Montana as my starting QB. In a freak accident on Wednesday of the week prior to a game, he injures himself and cannot play on Sunday. His backup, Steve Young, is not on anyone's roster. I'd really like to grab Young and start him on Sunday. I have to submit his name for the free agent acquisition period and hope I get him, but there's no way I can play him for that week because I've already submitted my lineup...?

When exactly does the free agent acquisition happen? Is there a limit of two acquisitions per week since it is only a 2-round format?

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 22^nd, 2003, 1:19pm

Starting lineups for QB's, RB's and RC's are "cascading". That's why you submit complete lists, not just your starters (for those who looked over the lineups-submission stuff). If you wanted to pick Steve Young up, you'd put him on your free-agent list, along with an according drop (for the round). Moreover, if you wanted to start him, you would list him in your starting lineup, i.e. as your #1 or #2 QB. SIMPLE AS THAT! If you get him, he's your starter. If not, your #3 steps in.

Further, starting lineups at QB, RB and RC "cascade" when a player has NO STATS for the game. If one of your 2 starting QB's, 3 starting RB's or 3 starting RC's does not have any "offensive" stats for the game that count in the GBRFL system (which in and of itself is "offensive" ;) ), it goes to the next guy on your list (your #3 QB, #4 RB and #4 RC) and so on. This helps protect everybody against that late injury/"game-time decision" injury, which puts one in a situation of hopelessness regarding that spot if the guy doesn't play, which sucks; that's why we have it like that. As for a player actually not getting ANY stats, having nothing to do with injury, it practically never happens with a QB or RB (unless you are in one of those bye-week pinches and are having to play that really scabby RB you just picked up out of free-agency), but it does happen on occasion with RC's. I've even seen "basically healthy" starting receiver lineups go 5 deep, i.e. 2 of the 3 starters did not catch even one ball or have any other "countable" stats. It does not matter what the stat is, though, as long as it counts in the system, that player is in the game, i.e., a RC could have no catches, but if he ran an end-around or threw a pass, he's in.

[smiley=wizard.gif]Okay, ALL clear!

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by Philly on Aug 22^nd, 2003, 1:39pm

Thanks Steg... that clarifies things a lot, and I love that Cascading Feature. I've been bit by the pre-game injury more than once, so that will help.

Could you address my second paragraph above? I understand that Free Agency occurs prior to kickoff, but is there a limit of 2 free agent pickups a week?

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 22^nd, 2003, 1:57pm

on 08/22/03 at 08:43:46, Philly wrote:

Is there a limit of two acquisitions per week since it is only a 2-round format?

Yes and no! Initially, you have two spots with which to pick up free-agents any given week, one pick in Round 1 and one pick in Round 2. HOWEVER, you can acquire more via trade, or you can trade 'em away. But, if you do not make any trades affecting your free-agent pick-ups for the week, you just have your two.

Remember, though, that rosters must remain at 21. So, if a trade of a player for a draft pick or free-agent pick is reported (IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU ALWAYS JUST REPORT YOUR TRADES ON THE LINEUP SUBMISSION FORM as it keeps things easy and straightforward), the team acquiring the player would have to drop a player; in turn, the team accquiring the pick, would be able to pick a player up in free-agency without making a drop. At this point, we are not really talking about "rules", as such, anymore; this is just logical.

[smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 29^th, 2003, 3:59pm

IMPORTANT!

I implore each of you to head on over to the GBRFL lineup submission pages and check things out a.s.a.p. and do so again by next Tuesday. I plan to "turn over" the system for the GBRFL later this evening. So, if you check it out now, you can see what it's like when the lineup submission period is over and lineups are "exposed" versus after I turn it over here later today and lineups are "hidden" and can be submitted. You can also practice submitting a lineup by clicking into the "Guest" area and going to the "Guest" lineup submission form. I strongly urge you all to give it a whack before you do your first "official" one on you all's site. Regarding you all's site, it should be COMPLETELY on-line by next Tuesday night, so you will have to hold off on submitting your Week 1 lineups until then. On that note, on a weekly basis, lineups can be submitted up until kickoff of the first game(s) of the week (in the case of Week 1, that would be Thursday night at roughly 8:59:59 EST), and after they are "exposed" after kickoff, I usually leave them exposed until sometime Tuesday, Wednesday or sometimes even Thursday. So, in summary, the lineup submission period for any given week is between then and the kickoff of the first game(s) of the week. The aforementioned "Lineup Submission" pages/forms for you guys to tinker around with until your site is up and running can be accessed at:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/line-upssubmissionform.htm.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 29^th, 2003, 8:05pm

I just noticed that only one "practice" lineup has been submitted via the GBRFL "Guest" lineup submission form. I don't care whether or not you practice, for the act itself. But, if you don't, don't come runnin' to Steggie here last-minute Thursday night cryin' and lookin' for help. That's all! If you're good, good! [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 29^th, 2003, 8:23pm

Yes Sir ! [smiley=commander.gif]

I will go do that right now. [smiley=strollin.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 29^th, 2003, 8:35pm

It seemed pretty straight forward. Am I missing something?

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Aug 29^th, 2003, 11:49pm

on 08/29/03 at 20:35:36, PrimeTime wrote:

It seemed pretty straight forward. Am I missing something?

Na, I don't think so, Primer! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

And, I did notice that some dudes gave it a whirl. Thanks! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by bgsgfan on Aug 30^th, 2003, 10:28am

Steg - could you change my team name to FANnie JAMmers please? Thanks.

Jeff, Keith:

Bend over, you are the first victims of the FANnie JAMmers!

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by Philly on Aug 30^th, 2003, 12:29pm

on 08/30/03 at 10:28:05, bgsgfan wrote:

Steg - could you change my team name to FANnie JAMmers please? Thanks.

Jeff, Keith:

Bend over, you are the first victims of the FANnie JAMmers!

You better be careful... the Amish may be jamming their pitchforks up your fannie!

[smiley=moon.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 2^nd, 2003, 9:38am

Jeremy,
How do you know who you are playing already? ???

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 2^nd, 2003, 9:42am

Nevermind, I see you looked at the GBRFL schedule. If that is the case, I play Walker and Primetime in week 1.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Sep 3^rd, 2003, 4:04pm

Guys, a VERY IMPORTANT thread on the GBRFL board that you should all look over as the final determination made in it affects how you all should conduct business:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1062545973.

GO... like NOW! [smiley=onit.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by bgsgfan on Sep 3^rd, 2003, 4:13pm

on 09/03/03 at 16:04:53, StegRock wrote:

I agree with your last post (up to this point):

Quote:

Well, I slept on it last night... a good thing, epiphanous. It always turns out that the GBRFL system "answers all questions" as long as the time is taken "to swirl it around in your mouth" for a bit. Drew Henson is available! The bottom line is, whatever your perception was regarding his being available or not, if you want him, you should have included him on your free-agent request list. As we have ALWAYS done, if for some reason a player on your list is not available, we would just skip that player on your list. So, this practice, which is NOT at all new to our league, this ultimate fact(or), completely mitigates my concern over everybody's being on the same page with regards to a player's availability in free-agency.

MOREOVER, none of this "'sticky, hairy' having to drop a guy in this kind of sitch if he does not sign with the team that originally drafted him" BS. As league administrator/commissioner, I like things straightforward as you all know. I like to avoid "sticky, hairy" rules/guidelines and, most of all, SITUATIONS. "Clear-cut", even if it does not incorporate each and every tiny nuance, is how I like it. So, as such, once a player is in the NFL (system), he is in the GBRFL, i.e., whoever gets the player has him for as long as he wants regardless of whether the player re-enters the draft next year or signs with the team that originally picked him. This is ultimately an uncommon, quirky thing, but it is much more unfair to the guy who drafted/got the player in this kind of sitch to have to drop him than it is unfair to the rest, who all had the same initial opportunity to procure him, if he is allowed to be kept by his original owner for as long as he wants. The player, in this case Henson, is in the NFL system at this point. That's the bottom line, I suppose.

Again, QB Drew Henson is available in the GBRFL and, MOREOVER, henceforth, he and any other player like this are to be treated/considered like any other player!

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Sep 14^th, 2003, 2:25pm

Guys,

Just a heads-up on Keith's (The Juror's) lineup for this week, which will also clue you further in on how our cascading, and even week-to-week cascading, lineups work. His THIRD receiver this week is Josh Reed! Look at how his lists are and you will get it!

Peace out,
Steg [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by bgsgfan on Sep 15^th, 2003, 12:45am

OK, what you are saying is to cascade according to prior lineups if the last lineup does not go deep enough? Does this mean you would cascade according to a previous week's lineup?

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Sep 15^th, 2003, 1:29pm

Yes, "cascading" is to go until a team's roster has been thoroughly exhausted.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Sep 11^th, 2005, 1:13pm

on 08/22/03 at 13:19:59, StegRock wrote:

I probably should have bumped this thread up before the season began for Robert. Sorry I did not get on that. :-[ I just thought of it this morning (and, mind you, it is EARLY here in Hawaii [smiley=tired.gif]). In any event, cp, you should peruse this thread. The part regarding "Cascading Lineups", a post of mine about which I quote above, is particularly important to know about.

To tease this out just a bit more for all of you, more so than I had initially way back, the first paragraph in the quote above regarding the use of the "cascading" principle when picking up free-agents and inserting them into your lineup applies to PK's and DU's as well, of course. BUT, the situation of the second paragraph does NOT: if you play a PK that is OUT due to injury, plays but scores 0 points or is on a bye-week, or a DU that is on a bye-week, you get NO (cascading) love. [smiley=nownow.gif] ... Furthermore, if the determinations of the "cascading process" are not resolved by the current or past lineup submissions, it then defers to the order of acquisition as per the "Rosters" page (that is why your players are listed at each position the way they are and not alphabetically, randomly or by depth-chart ranking of some sort; they are listed in the order in which you acquired them).

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by captainpurple on Sep 13^th, 2005, 10:41am

[smiley=bow.gif] noted.

though I don't think it would've affected me this week, it's certainly good info for moving forward (the drop/add FA stuff).

Thanks!

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Oct 2^nd, 2005, 2:39am

Fellow GBRFLers of the new-school variety, my latest post on the following thread on the GBRFL board is something you should all consult; it's important:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1062722757;start=25.

Thank you! :)

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Nov 24^th, 2005, 1:49pm

Fellas, what went down here today, Thanksgiving day, in the GBRFL and the consequent confusion is worth you all's consulting and "getting" (that is if you haven't already)...

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1130513378.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Dec 20^th, 2005, 2:23am

In case you didn't know/forgot/I didn't tell you all, (end-of-season) ties in the standings are broken as follows:

1) Head-to-head record (within a group if that is the case) (this is how I won it last year);
2) Points Differential;
3) (It NEVER comes to this) Total Points Scored for the season.
4) (It DEFINITELY will NOT come down to this) Total Yardage for the season.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Dec 27^th, 2005, 11:15pm

The following thread regards the NEW EXTENDED Week 17 we are now using in the GBRFLeagues. It is an ABSOLUTE MUST-read, SO thank you in advance for doing so... in a "thought"ful and "care"ful manner: [smiley=bow.gif]

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1135742397.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT Notes on the GBRFL set-up
Post by StegRock on Feb 13^th, 2006, 4:12am

Guys, especially since the season is now completely over and my homeboyz won't be comin' 'round all too much for a while, I'd like you all's participation/responses on the following important thread on the GBRFL board:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1139821196.

Please take your time and think it through,... and respond! Thank you!