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(Message started by: IbdFunk on Oct 1st, 2007, 2:04pm)
Title: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 1st, 2007, 2:04pm
Before i get to complaining about my team i thought of something that might of interest to our league. I do not know about you but thse injuries are freaking killing me and it seems to be killing others just as bad. I feel like the team with the least amount of injuries will win no matter how strong your team is at the start of the year.I feel last year i had no chance mid way due to all my injuries and this year alone i already have Rudi Johnson, Jake Delhome, Javon Walker,J.P Losman out. Does anyone have any interest of installing a new rule that reads something like this:

When a team loses a starting player they would be entitled to pick up their back up first as long as that player is not on a current roster. For example, i lost Rudi Johnson, the following week i would have first right to Kenny Watson as long as he is not on a roster. I think with that in place it at least hedges a team in a fair way to stll compete even with injuries to their players. It is such bullshit how other teams benifit only from injuries then by draft picks and trades. It is becoming very old for me that year after year i lose players, i have no shot of picking them up in free agent and by half way through the year i am playing 1 rb, 2 wrs ect. Just a thought!

Besides that, my team blows.

Galloway- 1 catch 7 yards
McNabb- 137 yds
Willie Parker- i gave up the house for him, 37 yds
Darrell Jackson-I had to play by default, 33 yds.
Tatum Bell- Had to play by default, 44 yds
Freaking Terrible!!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 1st, 2007, 6:13pm
Danny, I am truly bummed out about your team. [smiley=bawling.gif] Really,... I am... [smiley=touching.gif] I'm all broken up. ;)

In all seriousness, though, this is a can of worms, man,... that I hope I am not pushed to have to extrapolate out.  I will say this... from a philosophical perspective...  Very few good, objective rules are born of selfish (for the lack of a better term) perspectives and subjective experiences.

We all have a TON of roster spots.  Use your extra roster spots on the backups to your starters... instead of those of others.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by captainpurple on Oct 1st, 2007, 6:28pm
I realize I'm in the Deuce, but I'll kibitz in here as I'll most likely be affected by this outcome.

I am in a redrafter that does this.   I think it works fine there.

But in a dynastly league like this, I don't agree that people should be allowed to leave their handcuffs out there and then get them "free" if needed.    I have Cadillac, Addai and Leinart all injured.  OK, Leinart isn't really injured...but he's being benched for parts of games.   I am OK because I'm carrying Pittman, Keith and Warner.  

I just think it's part of managing the team in this dynasty format.

[smiley=twocents.gif]   [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 1st, 2007, 9:55pm
Steve, i am not the only team getting killed by injuires. DB, he has been getting hurt, Alex Smith, Lamont Jordan, Caddie Williams, this week alone. If we are trying to make this league as real as it can get, it is not any different the a backup coming in after an injury. Yes, i agree there are plenty of roster spots and you can still keep the backup if you chose to, but it sucks to keep bakups on your rosters incase of injury. I can see why you disagree because your team is being built on other teams injuried players, i.e ward, ron dayne ect. It was only a suggestion that i think should be discussed, hopefully other owners will see my point.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 1st, 2007, 10:15pm
Danny,... think this through, brother...  Think of HOW MESSY this would be... in VARIOUS ways, not the least of which would be in terms of administration. [smiley=yikes.gif] It would open a can of worms we'd never get under control.  Inequity after inequity would come up and consequent sub-rule after sub-rule would have to be hammered out.

And, since you took a potshot at me and my team,... let me say...  You didn't think to bring this up during ANY of your THREE Championship runs... :-/ Your team's bad,... so there must be a reason, right?
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 2nd, 2007, 2:55am
Look...  Seriously,... I'm not looking to stifle discussion.  But, as league commissioner and administrator being in tune with league administration and the "bigger picture", I can foresee how knotty this would be on so many levels, and I just don't want to see a groundswell of support develop around a discussion that has "optimistically" spun out of control and isn't well thought through... because, one way another, it's gonna fall on my shoulders.  Either, I am going to have to untie the logical knot created by a not well-thought-through discussion, OR I'm going to have to deal with the nightmare of administering and administrating the according changes.

I mean... even as I try to be generous and entertain the idea, stumbling block after stumbling block enters my mind.  I mean just sitting here typing this at least a half dozen problems come to mind.  Of over-arching philosophical import, the whole notion seems to violate one of the league's fundamental principles, viz. worst-to-first free-agency.

Just to make this absolutely clear,... I wouldn't support this no matter where I was in the standings and what my team's situation was.  This is NOT a knock on you Danny when I say this, BUT I, as commissioner concerned about not just the health of my team but of the league, am always a bit leery when it comes to owners making rules suggestions based on perceived injustices happening to their own teams.

In any event, I would just want you and others to put the work in that would be required for such a sweeping rule change to even be considered as well as have an eye toward efficiency in your presentations and discussion.  If this is really something you see as worth entertaining, don't just throw out "random thoughts" about the matter... intended just to "sway" other owners who are in the same boat.  That's just playing politics.  Put together a DETAILED proposal of sorts explaining how this would work in terms of, at least, the following:  lineup submissions, weekly free-agency, each position (what's the equation for receivers), determining who the "immediate" backups in fact are, severity of injury qualifications (mind you, Danny, none of your guys have sustained season-ending injuries), implications on trading, non-injury player losses (suspensions and such), the differing roster dynamics of each NFL team, and on and on and on.  Mind you, I take this to be essentially rhetorical, thinking that once you even start entertaining this on these various levels the way I am, you'll realize for yourself what I know and am sensitive to here and likely throw in the towel on this...  AND YOUR TEAM... [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] ... [smiley=cantcatch.gif]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Oct 2nd, 2007, 6:35pm
I get where you are coming from Dan but I don't agree. I want a competitive league and I think the current system insures that, by having the bottom teams getting the first shot at potential playmakers. There are a ton of additional avenues out there for you to aquire that player in question, the first being making a trade to get the first or second FA pick. I am sure currently both Steg and Cooper would be willing to do a trade. You just have to pay a bit for those trades. I did in the offseason - I gave up quite a bit to get the backup Turner from you. Granted, he has some long-term potential as well but he is a backup, nonetheless.

There have been several instances when I have been screwed with injuries and you either make a trade or you try and ride it out. For me, I have won a championship with only one QB (and didn't make a move) and I lost a championship when T.O. decided to vacation for a majority of the Eagles season (and tried to make a move). In that case, I made a dumb move to get Hines Ward and Pittsburgh D and I had to give up Gore to do it. It was my decision and a bad one but it was my choice to make.

I like the current system where either you make plans to get your backups on your roster or you know ahead of time if your starter or starters go down, you need to have replacements in the wings. Just because some teams are thin, I don't think they should be the first ones in line for a FA. If you are thin, fix it yourself. If not, the standings will eventually fix it for the entire league and the thin teams will end up at the bottom, with a chance to fix gaps and maybe climb up the standings.

BOTTOM LINE: I am a stong NO vote to any change, unless there was a significant, amazing argument presented (and I would still need a ton of convincing).
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 2nd, 2007, 9:38pm
Steve, you keep mentioning that my idea is because my team is bad. No, my team is actually very good when healthy and will NEVER be as bad as yours no matter who is injuried. This thought does not only have to do with this year, last year as well. I probably could of won or come close if McNabb did not go down. It is hard for me to give a specific plan when i really do not understand the inner makings of running the leauge.

Hahn, Michael Turner was a small part of the deal, Hasselbeck is working out very well for you, especially when ALex Smith is gone for a while.

Steve, Losman is gone for a long time, Jake D is probably gone for the season as well. It was just a suggestion which i never make, not a big deal. I am very happy with my team especially when healthy.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DOLFAN on Oct 3rd, 2007, 12:46am
Danny,  [smiley=crybaby.gif]
I hear what you are saying and I feel ypur pain. Everyone has injuries, they are part of the game. Hell a few years ago I wanted to change my name to the "all injured team", hell I think Steve may have even let me do it for a while, I can't remember. That year I think I lost 6-7 starters.
This year in my league I have lost Delhomme, Westbrook, Maroney, Boldin, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson...you do the math...that is/was my entire week 1 starting lineup.
This is fantasy football bro. You have the right to complain. We all have felt your pain over the years at various times in our fantasty football lives. Last year I lost 3 starting QBS in this league. I had to make trade after trade after trade, it sucked I know. Just suck it up make some deals and move on. [smiley=vice.gif]

I agree with what Mark said 100% with what he said above.

But in this case I have some sympathy for you Danny. I propose that we make a "Danny CRAYBABYFeder" rule which is as follows: [smiley=crybaby.gif]
Whenever a player on Feder's team goes down with a season ending injury, or one where the player misses 1 month, 1 week, 1 practice, gets a hangnail, a bruise, a bandaid, or cuts themselves shaving, anything where mommy needs to kiss it
Then Feder gets the best player...at that position of course...from any 2 other teams  in the league that he wants..FREE!!!!!!!

Or we could just change the rules to "positions" scoring. Now this would be where an owner would get ALL of the rushing yards, passing yds, receiving yds from 3 NFL teams. No players, just the teams stats. a total of 30 teams would be used.
Then when someone wants to pickup one of the other 2 NFL teams on waivers, bye weeks and whatnot, whomever sends Danny the most cases of beer...for him to cry into...and boxes of Kleenex to wipes his tears away, would get to pickup that team off waivers.

So, what do you guys thing of my proposals of the FEDER CRYBABY RULE?? We can discuss it at the next draft. My vote is a yes. [smiley=twocents.gif]
Oh and Danny       [smiley=moon.gif]           [smiley=crybaby.gif]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 3rd, 2007, 8:48am
Joe, i have a better idea. When i player of mine goes down, go in your backyard to your farm and milk a cow or a goat. Then, ship me the milk so i can use it to nurse my players back to health you freaking inbread.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by T-Rave on Oct 3rd, 2007, 9:52am
Wow, my SAT prep class and high school vocabulary teacher have FAILED me, cause I have NO IDEA WHAT AN "INBREAD" IS!   ;D  Alex Trebek: "It is where you put your wheat and yeast, if you're a cook."  Contestant: "What is INBREAD?"  Alex: "Correct, you choose again."

ANYWAY, I don't have a firm opinion on this situation.  I lean towards Mark and Joe and Steve's position, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.  It seems to me that the bottom line is this: shit happens -- it's fantasy football.  I do completely sympathize: I just lost Deuce for the year (and perhaps for his career) after trading Plax to get Deuce.  What I thought was a nice trade becomes a nightmare.  On the other hand, I think Danny has a point: viz., how much more does luck become a factor when we have no protection from injuries?  I'm sure you guys have hashed all this out, and if so, let me know.  But perhaps, if you haven't, we could figure out SOME way to limit the ravages of (bad) luck via injuries.  If not, so be it, but maybe we can give it a try.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:10am

on 10/03/07 at 09:52:09, T-Rave wrote:
Wow, my SAT prep class and high school vocabulary teacher have FAILED me, cause I have NO IDEA WHAT AN "INBREAD" IS!   ;D  Alex Trebek: "It is where you put your wheat and yeast, if you're a cook."  Contestant: "What is INBREAD?"  Alex: "Correct, you choose again."

ANYWAY, I don't have a firm opinion on this situation.  I lean towards Mark and Joe and Steve's position, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.  It seems to me that the bottom line is this: shit happens -- it's fantasy football.  I do completely sympathize: I just lost Deuce for the year (and perhaps for his career) after trading Plax to get Deuce.  What I thought was a nice trade becomes a nightmare.  On the other hand, I think Danny has a point: viz., how much more does luck become a factor when we have no protection from injuries?  I'm sure you guys have hashed all this out, and if so, let me know.  But perhaps, if you haven't, we could figure out SOME way to limit the ravages of (bad) luck via injuries.  If not, so be it, but maybe we can give it a try.


I think we have figured it out.  The only way to protect against injuries is carry the back up.  And since there are 22 roster spots for 14 'starters', it is possible to carry a good portion of your back ups.  However, we all know that would not be wise.

I am against changing the rules.  The best way for a team to get better is to use the free agent process.  I say keep it like it is.....
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 3rd, 2007, 2:35pm

on 10/03/07 at 10:10:26, DirkDiggler wrote:
there are 22 roster spots for 14 'starters'...


Quick fix, fellas (sorry, Steve :-[),... 21 roster spots (used to be 22 back in the day, though) and, ultimately, 10 starters (right?  ...  I'm not exactly sure what Stevo might have meant there.).

[offtopic]By the way, some of the shit getting posted over here is HYSTERICAL right now.  Mark's post on the other thread, and Joe and T's posts here,... and even Danny boys', though, I'm sure, unwittingly.  [And, no, Danny, that word is NOT the adverb meaning "not (Jason) Witten"... ;) That would be "unWittenly".]

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=sinister.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

GREAT stuff, guys! [smiley=thumbsup.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 3rd, 2007, 3:27pm

on 10/03/07 at 14:35:41, StegRock wrote:
Quick fix, fellas (sorry, Steve :-[),... 21 roster spots (used to be 22 back in the day, though) and, ultimately, 10 starters (right?  ...  I'm not exactly sure what Stevo might have meant there.).



Yikes, that is what I get for trying to think at work!!  Night sure what I was thinking either!!   [smiley=alcoholic.gif]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Pakman on Oct 3rd, 2007, 10:56pm
I am also in agreement with Steg, Hahn and Warner.  No offense to you Feder, but I think your proposal is a shitty idea.  Like Hahn said, you can always trade for the free agent pick and you can back up your players instead of picking up someone else's backup.  

Also, how far are we going to go.  And if there is no legitimate back (i.e. the running back situation in Green Bay, Houston, etc.) who do you get.  Do we have to wait until the game starts and you get the person who starts the game?

Basically if we go with your system, what is the use of having free agency.  
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Art Vandalay on Oct 4th, 2007, 10:36am
I will take this opportunity to resurface a rule change which pops up every few years....The proposal of 1 or 2 IR positions, where an injured starter can be placed into one of those spots to allow roster room for his replacement or any other pick.
Obviously, this brings up a need for rules so every time Chad Pennington gets a hangnail and is out for the week, he cannot be placed in IR. It has to be a "real" long term injury.
This doesn't solve Dan's issue, but it helps alleviate some of the pain.
I'll take 6th grade education for $200 Alex.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 4th, 2007, 2:38pm
My take on what Frank brings up is as follows...  It's not an unreasonable request.  It is surely doable.  It is a modest change.  A little extra administrative yuckiness, but,... eh,... not a biggie.  But, FIRST, do note that this does NOT do anything for Danny's (alleged) "issue".  It seems related, and I guess in a peripheral sense to this discussion, is, but it really addresses a different "issue" altogether.  Second, from an administrative and league-logistical standpoint, I would be more amenable to just adding an extra roster spot, period.  BUT,... boy,... 22 x 10 = 220!  YIKES!  Back when we did carry 22-component rosters, we only had 8 or 9 teams.  We went down to 21 precisely because we bumped up to 10 teams.  So, I guess that ain't a good idea.

BUT, in any event, from a "personal" perspective, I don't know if ANYBODY in this league is suffering from a "DEAD-WEIGHT" player more than ME in Michael Vick, and I am not complaining in terms of proposing rule changes and am holding on to him and plan, at least right now, to do so for the next one or TWO years so as to see how this "situation" fleshes out.  I just think a "dangly" I.R. thing just gives us MORE UNNECESSARY wiggle room.

That said, if people REALLY wanted it, it's surely entertainable in a way that Danny's original proposal here is not.  Just understand that one doesn't really have to do with the other.  THAT said, I hope we don't just want to go tinkering with the rules because we haven't for the last two years.  To me, that's a GOOD sign!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 4th, 2007, 2:48pm
Let me add this to my post immediately above...


on 10/04/07 at 14:38:51, StegRock wrote:
BUT, in any event, from a "personal" perspective, I don't know if ANYBODY in this league is suffering from a "DEAD-WEIGHT" player more than ME in Michael Vick, and I am not complaining in terms of proposing rule changes and am holding on to him and plan, at least right now, to do so for the next one or TWO years so as to see how this "situation" fleshes out.  I just think a "dangly" I.R. thing just gives us MORE UNNECESSARY wiggle room.


Would a new I.R. rule even be applicable to Michael Vick?  (RHETORICAL QUESTION!)  ...  And, so (already) start the complications... :-/
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by captainpurple on Oct 4th, 2007, 7:01pm

on 10/04/07 at 14:48:21, StegRock wrote:
Let me add this to my post immediately above...


Would a new I.R. rule even be applicable to Michael Vick?  (RHETORICAL QUESTION!)  ...  And, so (already) start the complications... :-/


exactly my question Stegger.   how about Ricky Reefer?  He's not injured, but isn't allowed to play.  Could he take one of the IR spots?   can someone on a 4 game suspension be put in there?    I think it's just a mess that will eventually lead to a "this guy is inactive for this week, so I'm sliding him to an IR spot".     Rosters are already large enough that FA is slim pickens.  I can't imagine if we too another 20 players out of it   :o

I'm still on the "no change" bandwagon.   Part of a dynasty league is managing your team for the long haul, and part of that is ensuring you're OK if you get hit by the injury bug.   Unfortunately, the injury bug is a 2 ton gorilla sometimes...but ce'st la vie
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 4th, 2007, 10:00pm
I like that idea Frank! I think it would benificial for when the bye weeks start. This week i need to pick up a kicker and try to fill in for my injuried players. I am sure someone will complain. Steve, i will keep giving the website bigger donations to run the site for the extra work. This season is retarded with injuries, more so the the past.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Pakman on Oct 4th, 2007, 10:37pm
I think that placing someone on IR is not a bad idea, however, I definitely think that there should be some restrictions on it.  In my opinion, if someone is placed on IR, it should be required that they stay on it for a certain period of time (at least 4 weeks) because that would prevent people from putting someone on IR, just to pick up someone to plug in for a week.

It would definitely help teams who have legitimate injuries to their player for a significant period of time.  

I don't think it should apply to players such as Ricky Williams or Michael Vick who are out of football due to off the field related issues or even to those who have failed drug tests.  It should only apply to people who are "injured".  Also, max only 1 IR spot, not 2.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 4th, 2007, 10:44pm

on 10/04/07 at 22:37:59, Pakman wrote:
I think that placing someone on IR is not a bad idea, however, I definitely think that there should be some restrictions on it.  In my opinion, if someone is placed on IR, it should be required that they stay on it for a certain period of time (at least 4 weeks) because that would prevent people from putting someone on IR, just to pick up someone to plug in for a week.

It would definitely help teams who have legitimate injuries to their player for a significant period of time.  

I don't think it should apply to players such as Ricky Williams or Michael Vick who are out of football due to off the field related issues or even to those who have failed drug tests.  It should only apply to people who are "injured".  Also, max only 1 IR spot, not 2.


For the record, I would definitely vote against adding additional roster spots in any shape way or form.  However, if we are going to discuss this, I would vote that if you place someone on IR, they should have to be out for the remainder of the season!  Policing when someone should or shouldn't be on the IR would be complicated.  
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DOLFAN on Oct 4th, 2007, 11:04pm
Here gentlemen, let me help you guys out a bit.

In my league we discussed this years ago and we came up with a rule that, for the most part, is fair and balanced:

We have 1 IR spot, but you can ONLY use it if your player is put on the official NFL IR...out for the season.
Not for a week or a month, again injuies are part of the game.

This way you basically can carry him free for the rest of the year. You do not get an extra waiver pick that week you just simply use your regular picks or trade for one.

With that said some teams may or may not use the IR spot/s (1 or 2), doesn't matter on amount.

Therefore; it may just be simpler to add 1 extra roster spot instead of the IR thing as some guys...Danny  [smiley=crybaby.gif] Feder will no doubt whine about that too because some guys got to use their spot and some didn't.

Oh, one more thing, these spots ARE NOT TRADEABLE in my league.
Maybe this will help when we talk about it for next year.
I would rather just have the extra roster spot to keep things simple.
I know, I know, thank you , thank you
[smiley=wizard.gif]

Hey Danny :  [smiley=assinface.gif]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Oct 4th, 2007, 11:55pm

on 10/04/07 at 22:00:54, IbdFunk wrote:
I like that idea Frank! I think it would benificial for when the bye weeks start. This week i need to pick up a kicker and try to fill in for my injuried players.



Okay, now we have taken a complete turn from the original topic. This thread was started to discuss Feder's awful team (which from what I can tell we are all in agreement) and then to discuss Feder's awful idea for being able to be first in line for a backup IF that backup wasn't on someone's team. That died, correct?

So now the discussion has moved completely away from the original topic and morphed into the IR/extra roster spot debate. This may be better suited on its own board. In addition (and this is just me), it may be wise for Frank to start the post and in detail propose his idea for the rule change. That way, everyone has a clear understanding on what is being proposed. I only bring this up because when I had the idea for extending the season out beyond week 17, Steve asked me to post the idea and open it for questions/discussions.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 5th, 2007, 1:02am
It's here now, Markie...  We might as well just continue it here.  No need for a new thread.  IN FACT, I REALLY hope there is NO need for a new thread for this... if you follow...???

First off, we're ALREADY seeing all the complications here.  But, MOREOVER,... guys,... pinch yourselves for a second...  If we push down on "this" (alleged) "bulge" in the carpet, it's just going to create a(n alleged) "bulge" somewhere else.  There's NO "ultimate justice"/"perfect system".  If we increase our roster limit from an already extended 21 to a RIDICULOUSLY extended 22, straight up or by way of an I.R. spot, the complaints will then shift to the fact that there are no free-agents to pick up.  Free-agent transactions will totally dry up.  It's already difficult, but with another 10 players on rosters, the top teams won't be able to get anybody, and it'll be slim pickings for the bottom teams for whom free-agency is supposed to provide hope.  The point is that there is no ultimately fair solution.  We're just moving the bulge.  In fact, in the spirit of mixing it up, legitimate arguments could be made for our cutting our rosters down to 18, 16 or perhaps even less.  Or, to go more toward the total dynasty format, it be argued that we should go all the way up to 25 or so roster spots.  The point is that arguments could be made, pros and cons could be pointed out for just about ANY number of roster spots.  After years of playing, 21 seems VERY appropriate for our league and what we want to experience in this league.  I, in a way, look at it as 20 roster spots + an (already embedded) I.R. spot. [smiley=shrug.gif] Let's not fix something that's not broken nor overcomplicate something that's beautiful in its simplicity.

Look,... REALLY,... if we truly pride ourselves on having a league of exceptionally GREAT owners, then there is going to be turnover in the standings.  If our "high opinion" of ourselves is accurate, then it is a virtual logical consequence that teams are going to have ups and downs.  I mean, if that doesn't happen, then our "high opinion" of ourselves is, must be put into question as it would seem that "by definition" we really don't have a league of exceptionally GREAT owners.  We would have no choice but to wonder about how great the quality of our league is.  I mean... I, for one, do NOT ever want the rules to be finagled for me.  I, in fact, would take offense to the very idea.  These are the circumstances we all have to overcome, and I want to be the best at overcoming them, not have them changed or bent so as to ease my team's (inevitable) rough times.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 5th, 2007, 10:13pm
I have so many of my players injuried or off on bye weeks it would not make a difference with my team anyway. I think we DEFINITLY need to do something here. I like the IR extra spot and do NOT think a player should be out for the year. I like Joes idea of being on the official nfl list for a week or the year.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Oct 5th, 2007, 11:51pm

on 10/04/07 at 23:04:59, DOLFAN wrote:
We have 1 IR spot, but you can ONLY use it if your player is put on the official NFL IR...out for the season.
Not for a week or a month, again injuies are part of the game.

This way you basically can carry him free for the rest of the year.



Dan, Joe is saying that you could use your IR spot ONLY if your player was on the official NFL IR list. Once that player is put on IR, they cannot come off until the end of the season, just like the NFL.

Didn't we have had this discussion before (I think some good arguments came out on the last one). Does anyone remember where/when the last discussion on this topic took place?
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 6th, 2007, 4:57am

on 10/05/07 at 01:02:04, StegRock wrote:
It's here now, Markie...  We might as well just continue it here.  No need for a new thread.  IN FACT, I REALLY hope there is NO need for a new thread for this... if you follow...???

First off, we're ALREADY seeing all the complications here.  But, MOREOVER,... guys,... pinch yourselves for a second...  If we push down on "this" (alleged) "bulge" in the carpet, it's just going to create a(n alleged) "bulge" somewhere else.  There's NO "ultimate justice"/"perfect system".  If we increase our roster limit from an already extended 21 to a RIDICULOUSLY extended 22, straight up or by way of an I.R. spot, the complaints will then shift to the fact that there are no free-agents to pick up.  Free-agent transactions will totally dry up.  It's already difficult, but with another 10 players on rosters, the top teams won't be able to get anybody, and it'll be slim pickings for the bottom teams for whom free-agency is supposed to provide hope.  The point is that there is no ultimately fair solution.  We're just moving the bulge.  In fact, in the spirit of mixing it up, legitimate arguments could be made for our cutting our rosters down to 18, 16 or perhaps even less.  Or, to go more toward the total dynasty format, it be argued that we should go all the way up to 25 or so roster spots.  The point is that arguments could be made, pros and cons could be pointed out for just about ANY number of roster spots.  After years of playing, 21 seems VERY appropriate for our league and what we want to experience in this league.  I, in a way, look at it as 20 roster spots + an (already embedded) I.R. spot. [smiley=shrug.gif] Let's not fix something that's not broken nor overcomplicate something that's beautiful in its simplicity.

Look,... REALLY,... if we truly pride ourselves on having a league of exceptionally GREAT owners, then there is going to be turnover in the standings.  If our "high opinion" of ourselves is accurate, then it is a virtual logical consequence that teams are going to have ups and downs.  I mean, if that doesn't happen, then our "high opinion" of ourselves is, must be put into question as it would seem that "by definition" we really don't have a league of exceptionally GREAT owners.  We would have no choice but to wonder about how great the quality of our league is.  I mean... I, for one, do NOT ever want the rules to be finagled for me.  I, in fact, would take offense to the very idea.  These are the circumstances we all have to overcome, and I want to be the best at overcoming them, not have them changed or bent so as to ease my team's (inevitable) rough times.


Awww,... geez... [smiley=dramaqueen.gif]

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I guess you guys are just DYING to change something... [smiley=gonecrazy.gif] Just gotta add some detaily bullshit, new toy to play with... [smiley=crybaby.gif]

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Mind you, in Joe's 10-team league THERE ARE ONLY 16 ROSTER SPOTS!!!  For those of you mathematically-challenged, that is 50 FEWER roster spots than we have!

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I'm not even going to bother arguing the f'n details until you guys get some perspective on this.  Holy fuckin' hell!  Did I write what I wrote above in "gibber-fucking-ese"? [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] THINK!!!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 6th, 2007, 8:05am
With 21 roster spots.....I definitely think that is enough.  
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 6th, 2007, 9:55am
I understand why Steve does not like it, he is building his team on everyone elses backups to those that are injuried. I think you should be able to put a player on IR for either a week or year as long as that player is listed inactive for the upcoming week. You should be able to pick up an extra free agent and have an extra roster spot if your player is injuried. I do think that this rule should only apply to those players that a team protects at the beginning of the year or there main starters. You do not want a team taken advantage when there 4th wr gets injuried. I know right know it is a little fuzzy but i think we can use this concept and create something that is benificial to everyone. If everyone does not agree that is fine also but i think it should be considered.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 6th, 2007, 11:12am

on 10/06/07 at 09:55:28, IbdFunk wrote:
I understand why Steve does not like it, he is building his team on everyone elses backups to those that are injuried. I think you should be able to put a player on IR for either a week or year as long as that player is listed inactive for the upcoming week. You should be able to pick up an extra free agent and have an extra roster spot if your player is injuried. I do think that this rule should only apply to those players that a team protects at the beginning of the year or there main starters. You do not want a team taken advantage when there 4th wr gets injuried. I know right know it is a little fuzzy but i think we can use this concept and create something that is benificial to everyone. If everyone does not agree that is fine also but i think it should be considered.


Danny--

When making an argument for or against the rules, try to take the 'personal' out of it.  Think of the rule as a rule independently...not one that will benefit one person or not benefit another.  This whole rule proposal came about because as you say in the title, your team "sucks ass".  And then you say Steve is against it because he is building his team on backups.  A rule should be implemented to improve the league, not to benefit an owner.

So, here are a few things to consider:

Under the rule being discussed, some teams would be able to carry 22 people, other teams would not.  Is that fair?

If we just expand the rosters to 22, doesn't that greatly diminish the f/a pool?  This week alone, Selvin Young and Patrick Crayton were released.  If we expanded it, would those guys have been protected?

Taking the 'personal' out of it, how is a bottom team supposed to improve if not through free agents?

If we go to 22, are players going to continue to get hurt, thus not really solving the problem.  Would an owner choose to take a back up with that spot, or realistically, would they choose a guy with 'potential'.  

Isn't 220 people a little too many?  I would argue like a previous post in this discussion that maybe we should drop the rosters to 20 or 19, thus making free agents even more important rather than less.  

If injuries were a primary concern for any owner, why not just draft/pick up/protect the back ups?  You could do that just as easily with 21 roster spots as you can with 22. (or 21 with an *injured player)
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by T-Rave on Oct 6th, 2007, 1:52pm

on 10/06/07 at 11:12:04, DirkDiggler wrote:
Danny--

When making an argument for or against the rules, try to take the 'personal' out of it.  Think of the rule as a rule independently...not one that will benefit one person or not benefit another.  This whole rule proposal came about because as you say in the title, your team "sucks ass".  And then you say Steve is against it because he is building his team on backups.  A rule should be implemented to improve the league, not to benefit an owner.

So, here are a few things to consider:

Under the rule being discussed, some teams would be able to carry 22 people, other teams would not.  Is that fair?

If we just expand the rosters to 22, doesn't that greatly diminish the f/a pool?  This week alone, Selvin Young and Patrick Crayton were released.  If we expanded it, would those guys have been protected?

Taking the 'personal' out of it, how is a bottom team supposed to improve if not through free agents?

If we go to 22, are players going to continue to get hurt, thus not really solving the problem.  Would an owner choose to take a back up with that spot, or realistically, would they choose a guy with 'potential'.  

Isn't 220 people a little too many?  I would argue like a previous post in this discussion that maybe we should drop the rosters to 20 or 19, thus making free agents even more important rather than less.  

If injuries were a primary concern for any owner, why not just draft/pick up/protect the back ups?  You could do that just as easily with 21 roster spots as you can with 22. (or 21 with an *injured player)


[smiley=clap.gif]  Nice job, Steve.  Very good points, especially the one about bottom teams improving through free agents.  Like you said, isn't that the point of free agency?  

I have to agree with DD here.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Oct 6th, 2007, 2:45pm
I am in agreement with no changes. I wish we could find the old discussion because I do remember some great points on why we shouldn't change a thing.

Dan, the bottom line is your team is hitting a very bad streak in terms of injuries. That does suck. But it's the same for everybody. One or two injuries, and we could all say that's the end of our season.

My opinion is no change whatsoever.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 6th, 2007, 4:27pm
Okay,... I've to get this out of my system... >:(


on 10/06/07 at 09:55:28, IbdFunk wrote:
I understand why Steve does not like it, he is building his team on everyone elses backups to those that are injuried.


And,... so will you too soon, Danny.  BUT, whatever with the personal quips...  I HIGHLY RESENT this comment.  First, I've (relatively) rarely been the beneficiary of #1 or 2 free-agent picks.  BUT, IN ANY EVENT,...

on 10/05/07 at 01:02:04, StegRock wrote:
I mean... I, for one, do NOT ever want the rules to be finagled for me.  I, in fact, would take offense to the very idea.  These are the circumstances we all have to overcome, and I want to be the best at overcoming them, not have them changed or bent so as to ease my team's (inevitable) rough times.

When it comes to the league's rules, I ALWAYS have what's best FOR THE LEAGUE at heart, NEVER thinking in terms of my team('s current happenstance position in the standings).  To intimate, no less directly state, that the opposite is the case is HIGHLY OFFENSIVE TO ME.  I put my heart, sweat and tears into doing what's best in the long run for this league.  To wit,...

on 10/02/07 at 02:55:19, StegRock wrote:
Just to make this absolutely clear,... I wouldn't support this no matter where I was in the standings and what my team's situation was.  This is NOT a knock on you Danny when I say this, BUT I, as commissioner concerned about not just the health of my team but of the league, am always a bit leery when it comes to owners making rules suggestions based on perceived injustices happening to their own teams.


Do you ONLY read what you want to read, man?  I may be a lot of things, BUT "self-serving"... when it comes to the rules of the GBRFL is NOT even close to being one of them.

Thank you, Steve, for this...

on 10/06/07 at 11:12:04, DirkDiggler wrote:
Danny--

When making an argument for or against the rules, try to take the 'personal' out of it.  Think of the rule as a rule independently...not one that will benefit one person or not benefit another.  This whole rule proposal came about because as you say in the title, your team "sucks ass".  And then you say Steve is against it because he is building his team on backups.


[smiley=bow.gif]


on 10/04/07 at 22:00:54, IbdFunk wrote:
I think it would benificial for when the bye weeks start. This week i need to pick up a kicker and try to fill in for my injuried players.


[smiley=uh.gif] ... [smiley=no.gif]


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Steve, i will keep giving the website bigger donations to run the site for the extra work.


Thank you, man, A [smiley=greedy.gif] BUNCH!  But,... ?.?.? what's that doin' here in this discussion? :-/

...

As Warner mentioned, let's get back to that other "theme" of this thread:  Danny's declaration that "My team sucks ASS".  Danny, during the offseason and preseason, I have communication/speak with just about everybody.  With you, I remember one of your comments was that McNabb is the second-best fantasy player behind only Tomlinson. [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] In stark contrast, when discussing the teams in the league in general with folks, the general consensus was that "Danny's team" was not very good and on its way down.  And, to wit, what's happened/ing?  SURPRISE,... lo and behold,... your team is not very good and on its way down.  Oh, well...  I've (ironically) seen you bitch in the past about how no free-agents make it up to where you usually are in the standings.  Well, get ready to enjoy the "fruits" ::) of being at the bottom of the standings for a while. [smiley=popcorn.gif] (Point being, Danny,... THE IRONY HERE,... if you could just think this through beyond the here and now AND see your own team objectively, you'd realize that, all these "I's, me's, my's and mine's" that lace your posts aside, you are likely screwing yourself here,... and, thus, would remain [smiley=zipit.gif] on this.  Now, if I thought that was whence you are coming here, though I would still disagree, I would, in a sense, think your position admirable... and perhaps be a bit more willing to hear you out.  BUT, I know that's not the case.  You are obviously thinking about this all VERY MYopically, to coin a term.)
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 6th, 2007, 11:13pm
First, my team is far from the way down, i think on the way up. I need to get some people healthy and i will be fine. I have many young players on the rise i.e

1) Jamarcuss Russell, Brodie Crolye, Trent Edways, all should be starting next year. Non are or would be my starters behind Jake D, and McNabb.

2) I feel Rudi, Willie Parker and Marshawn Lynch is a very strong 1-3, whne all healthy.

3) Yes, my RCs are weak, but i will be in a position to trade a qb to improve my team,

My team is going through a rough period with injuries but will never be as bad as your team. As far as the rule change, i can give two shits, it was an idea and is not unfair if changed the correct way.

I think teams should improve through free agency and the draft but not in situations like getting the first free agent pick every week and taken those players who has to start in place of another player that is out for a period of time. I think that player should be able to be placed on IR and you can pick up their backup, and be able to carry an extra roster spot.  It is not a big deal..
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 7th, 2007, 5:59am
You keep tellin' yourself how great your team is... ::) (which ironically is at the heart of the whole problem here,... i.e., you think your team is great, so there MUST be something wrong with the rules).


on 10/06/07 at 23:13:00, IbdFunk wrote:
I think teams should improve through free agency and the draft but not in situations like getting the first free agent pick every week and taken those players who has to start in place of another player that is out for a period of time.


Uhhh,... okay... [smiley=dunce.gif] That's only the way we've been doing it for about the past 20 years now... [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] All of a sudden it's a problem...  What,... because I'm the one getting the picks... :-/ If so, fuck you! [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

But, anyway,... yea,... that's "crystal clear" how that's supposed to work, dude, [smiley=uh.gif] and the argument for it is,... well,... compelling, for sure. ?.?.?

Ultimately, whatever, dude...  You're the one who said your team sucks.  We'll see.  Just be careful with those rocks you're tossin' 'round in that glass house of yours. [smiley=discoball.gif]

...

[offtopic]INCIDENTALLY,... I TRADED for David Carr in the offseason; I would have BEATEN your sorry-ass squad Week 2 had the kind of rule you're suggesting been in place and I was "somehow automatically" given Derek Anderson "in place of" Charlie Frye (however that might have been determined); Brian Griese, I drafted, and in case you haven't noticed I've been carrying Ron Dayne forever,... OH,... and the Patriots, YOU DROPPED, dumb ass!  In any event, I FINALLY have a chance to get a "potential" long-term stud in free-agency this week (Selvin Young, who, had I beaten you Week 2, you might have been in "position" to pick up, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now) after being down in the dumps for over TWO years and not having the best pickings, and this is the flack I get from an a-hole like you.  It's almost like you want to ruin even just this small "victory" for me, which you've kind of succeeded in doing... :-/ You're such an a-hole... [smiley=lickmyass.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 7th, 2007, 10:38am
Pats df blows, your team blows and you did not kick my ass week two so no, fuck you!! And, i do not think my team is great, i do not think it is on such a downward spirl as you do. I have many young up in coming players unlike you who has all back ups to those that are injuried, "for the most part". The reason you are so against it is because that is how you are building your team is through other players being hurt or drug suspensions ect, not through trades and draft picks. We all see how well you do when you trade all your draft picks away Bill Walsh want to be. Stop with your philisophical bullshit jackass!! If you do not remember, i got fucked last year with injuries as well.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Art Vandalay on Oct 7th, 2007, 12:10pm
Is this a bad time to bring up the TE position or individual defensive players??? How about separating special teams from defensive stats? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 7th, 2007, 12:55pm

on 10/07/07 at 10:38:12, IbdFunk wrote:
Pats df blows, your team blows and you did not kick my ass week two so no, fuck you!! And, i do not think my team is great, i do not think it is on such a downward spirl as you do. I have many young up in coming players unlike you who has all back ups to those that are injuried, "for the most part". The reason you are so against it is because that is how you are building your team is through other players being hurt or drug suspensions ect, not through trades and draft picks. We all see how well you do when you trade all your draft picks away Bill Walsh want to be. Stop with your philisophical bullshit jackass!! If you do not remember, i got fucked last year with injuries as well.


WTFE,... [smiley=worm.gif]!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by T-Rave on Oct 7th, 2007, 1:42pm
Ummmm . . . Pats defense blows?!?!?!?  ?.?.? ::)  Have you been watching the 1995 season, or the 2007 season?
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 7th, 2007, 2:09pm
[offtopic]Hey, Markie... >:( Way to go building your team on the backs of the poor,... [smiley=annoyed.gif] with your "double backup" pickup this week of Kyle Orton,... the backup to my backup to Trout's "starter". ;) ... [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Oct 7th, 2007, 5:15pm
[smiley=spock.jpg]

Orton is a strong pick. I needed to carry another QB that won't play this year.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by captainpurple on Oct 7th, 2007, 11:27pm

on 10/07/07 at 10:38:12, IbdFunk wrote:
Pats df blows, your team blows and you did not kick my ass week two so no, fuck you!! And, i do not think my team is great, i do not think it is on such a downward spirl as you do. I have many young up in coming players unlike you who has all back ups to those that are injuried, "for the most part". The reason you are so against it is because that is how you are building your team is through other players being hurt or drug suspensions ect, not through trades and draft picks. We all see how well you do when you trade all your draft picks away Bill Walsh want to be. Stop with your philisophical bullshit jackass!! If you do not remember, i got fucked last year with injuries as well.


Jesus dude!  you are a piece of work!   1st..chill out!  It's a game and a hobby!   Second, your strategy of keeping players with potential has hurt you this year.   Ray does the same in our league...rarely carrying backups.   He's been lucky (and good, not slighting the Mighty Chiapets here!) not to be hit by injuries, and to trade some of those guys, i.e. Romo, Schaub, etc.    It's worked for him, you've been unlucky.   Why the f'in shit fit?  

I took the opposite tact...I carried Pittman for Caddy (fat good THAT did me this week!)   and Kenton Keith to Addai 158 yds, 2 TDs    [smiley=yes.gif]    THAT worked!

It's all mgmt style for your team.   Your strategy didn't work this year....it obviously has in previous years, i.e your championships.  

Stop bitching when the rules don't suit you and play the game!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 8th, 2007, 4:43pm
Who are you Captain shitlips? Mind your own business and worry about your own team and the rules in your league. Yes, i did trade Romo for Willie Parker because i need a RB. If you understood our rules, it really does not help if you are very strong in qb and suck in rb, you need balance to win. I did not know Jake Delhome is out for the season. I did not know Mike Pittman is now gone for the year, this to go long with half my other starters out through injury or bye weeks. I think the rule should be changed to allow those players with significant injuries to be put on IR to open more roster spots for these situations.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 8th, 2007, 6:09pm
TENDENTIOUSNESS ALERT!!!


on 10/08/07 at 16:43:28, IbdFunk wrote:
I did not know Mike Pittman is now gone for the year...


Mind you, Danny just picked up Pittman in free-agency this week, just a bit of an ironic fact given the "rule" he is "proposing" here. :-/ I personally see it as bad karma. [smiley=zenmaster.gif] ... [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 8th, 2007, 7:43pm
He is out for 8 weeks whcih is basically the year. This goes back to last year with McNabb. My team will be fine with all of these injuries. Hell, i might even have a chance to win this week if i can get some breaks tonight, and that does not mean broken bones. I am done with this topic, but then again you have idiots like Captain shitlips weighing in.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by captainpurple on Oct 8th, 2007, 7:48pm

on 10/08/07 at 16:43:28, IbdFunk wrote:
Who are you Captain shitlips? Mind your own business and worry about your own team and the rules in your league. Yes, i did trade Romo for Willie Parker because i need a RB. If you understood our rules, it really does not help if you are very strong in qb and suck in rb, you need balance to win. I did not know Jake Delhome is out for the season. I did not know Mike Pittman is now gone for the year, this to go long with half my other starters out through injury or bye weeks. I think the rule should be changed to allow those players with significant injuries to be put on IR to open more roster spots for these situations.


[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Pay attention to my own team?   Gotcha!  But in case you want to see my team...check out 1st place in the Deuce!  (Well, after this week anyway).

BTW, the Deuce is the GBRFL2, as in the same rules you go by you BLOWHARD!   So I think I know the rules!  

Take a chill, you suck this year, and that doesn't equate to a rule change, no matter how many times you call everyone names.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by steelkings on Oct 8th, 2007, 8:50pm
The fact that anouther Duece leaguer weighing in should really piss Funky Winkerbean off, but I was in first place in the duece until Captain Shitlips beat the crap out of me with out his starter Joe Addai. It seems he picked up his back up, Kenton keith, who had like a million yards and 2 Td's. Strange how that type of within the rules strategy works, Huh?

BTW GBRFL League: Your kids are watching!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 8th, 2007, 9:46pm
You are called GBFL "2" for a reason. I have won my league 3 times so dont preach to me about your worthyness. I am very happy you are on first place now and how you want to stick your tongue up captainshit lips ass becuase of his amazing pick up in Keith. If you really understood our leauge wouldnt you rather have a player for the long term like a Mike Pittman then a one week wonder? Yes, i know, Pittman got injuried. For my team, i cant afford to pick up one week wonders because of the bye week, keeper players for next year "Jamarcus Russell", and my injuried players that i cant drop such as Javon Walker, J.P Losman, Rudi Johnson, Jake Delhome ect. Here it comes, all the GBFL2s are now going to give there advise. Steve, i think we should develop divisions GBFL1 vs. GBFL2. Dont they have their own message board or is this a new trend that is taken place? If that is a new trend at least we should merge the league in some way. Then, all this chatter and advise the CHris Mortonson's of fantasyfootball have to offer would mean something.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by captainpurple on Oct 8th, 2007, 10:10pm

on 10/08/07 at 21:46:17, IbdFunk wrote:
If you really understood our leauge wouldnt you rather have a player for the long term like a Mike Pittman then a one week wonder? Yes, i know, Pittman got injuried.


Check my roster moron.   Man, you can't get your foot outta that humongous mouth no matter HOW hard you try!

[smiley=assinface.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=bigbird.gif] [smiley=booya.gif] [smiley=duel.gif] [smiley=doh.gif] [smiley=mywhippinboy.gif]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 9th, 2007, 12:13am

on 10/08/07 at 21:46:17, IbdFunk wrote:
Dont they have their own message board or is this a new trend that is taken place?


Yes, Danny, the Deucers have their own board.  But, they play according to OUR rules.  They don't (yet) have voting rights (and may never).  BUT, they surely are within bounds to (reasonably and humbly, like cp is here) express their views on rules discussions here.


Quote:
Here it comes, all the GBFL2s are now going to give there advise. Steve, i think we should develop divisions GBFL1 vs. GBFL2.  ...  If that is a new trend at least we should merge the league in some way. Then, all this chatter and advise the CHris Mortonson's of fantasyfootball have to offer would mean something.


Here we go with YET ANOTHER knee-jerk impracticable proposal. [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif]

...

Deucers,... cp, sk,... know that your observations and contributions here are level-headed, salient and valuable.  BUT, also know that Danny-boy here is an old college buddy and fraternity mate of mine and Markie's (Drew Rosenhaus's), and almost everybody in the league has met him when he came up from (then) Georgia to the GBRFL draft like seven or so years ago.  While what's going on here seems,... in some respects, is pretty vile, at the end of the day, I got love for Danny and he in return, and if we saw each other right now, he'd do his nonsensical loudmouth bullshit and I would do my philosophical thang, and, then, after (just) a round or two, we'd look at each other hard, laugh... and then hug, and ask each other, "So, how's life?"

Note, though, cp, sk, that I'm not saying this because you guys aren't in the right here.  Yous are.  AND, I REALLY appreciate you guys', for all intents and purposes, getting my back here.  THANK YOU!  It is just that I want yous to know the backdrop here.  Danny's not just any babbling idiot.  He's, for better or worse, "our" babbling idiot... and ultimately, when it all comes out in the wash, my friend, so... :-/ Again, I'm not saying stop (posting the truth and calling a spade a spade).  I just want you guys to proceed knowing the "dance" you're "cutting in on" here.

[smiley=joker.gif] Thing is, though,... we don't usually let him out in public.  Markie evidently was takin' the little sucker out for a walk... [smiley=peedog.gif] and he got off the leash. [smiley=hellhound.gif] ... [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

On the other hand,... Danny,... nothing new, but you are coming off EXTREMELY UNreasonable, selfish and, well, downright dumb here, brother.  You're coming off like a big-time jerk, which I know you really aren't.  I mean your posts aren't even commonsensical and factually accurate, no less logically sound and cogent.  This isn't the old "GBRFL Trash-Talkin'" page (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1030609988).  You want to kick it up a notch, here, man. [smiley=sophisticate.gif] Though, we do have a "Trash Talkin'" thread set up here:  http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1161532729.  THAT's where you can give us all the "Feder" [smiley=dick.jpg] we can handle. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] Thing is, Danny, I HATE and think it is highly inadvisable to intertwine rules discussions with trash talk.  That's what's happening here, and it's making for a predictably bad scene.  PLEASE, let's just cool it here for now and bring the trash talk on over to the "Trash Talkin'" thread.  And, please, do not put off our little Deucer brothers. [smiley=newbie.gif] Let's set and be an example and lead by example, not embarrass ourselves.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 9th, 2007, 8:58am
They flapped their lips first, no prob!!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Art Vandalay on Oct 9th, 2007, 4:28pm
Hey, bottom line is; if it weren't for Dan, we wouldn't have half the fun we do around here. He always manages to get the damn win when it counts too..especially against ME.

If i saw him, i'd give him a big hug too Steve....and then hold him under the water for 10 or 15 minutes. ;D
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Oct 9th, 2007, 7:46pm

on 10/09/07 at 00:13:31, StegRock wrote:
[smiley=joker.gif] Thing is, though,... we don't usually let him out in public.  Markie evidently was takin' the little sucker out for a walk... [smiley=peedog.gif] and he got off the leash. [smiley=hellhound.gif] ... [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


I thought you were in charge of him this week...


p.s. - I am thinking you got one over on me this week, Steve.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 9th, 2007, 9:14pm
Thanks for the love! You all have to admit this is ridiculous with my injuries. Next week i will be lucky to have enough players to fill a roster with the bye weeks, then i will be 3 and 7, nice. After that i should be much better off.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by StegRock on Oct 9th, 2007, 10:58pm

on 10/09/07 at 19:46:10, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
I thought you were in charge of him this week...


Little critter...

[offtopic]
Quote:
p.s. - I am thinking you got one over on me this week, Steve.


[smiley=yes.gif]

Well, Markie,... I haven't done the scores for the week yet.  They're a comin'.  You guys'll have 'em with your morning jo.  Anyway, I'm almost certain I got you, bro.  I KNOW I lost to DB, though.  We'll see here in a little bit...[/offtopic]
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by DOLFAN on Oct 9th, 2007, 11:08pm
Danny, will you just shut the fuck up already!!!

You have been in this league for 20 years, have won 3 championships. Over the years you have seen many teams go through the injuries that your team is going through. Where was the empathy then, you always said "his team sucks" I knew that guy would get hurt, that's why I took his backup. Now, low and behold, since it is happening to your team, the rules must be changed.
I have had an open mind to most rule changes discussed in the past, but in regards to this one no fucking way. I am at a point to where my mind is already made up. I vote long beforehand a HELL FUCKING NO!!! to any type of rule change with the core theme being of this subject.

Ok give it to me now Danny, Tell me and everyone else on this site that my team sucks, I have never won anything, I should be quiet, have no input, I'm an idiot...blah blah blah. You are worse than my 4 children.
Danny, I hate to say it young man, but you need a time out. So give it to me Danny! Feed me shit like you do everyone else, say your piece, then kindly please save me some aspirin and just shut the fuck up!!!

CRYABABY!!!!
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 10th, 2007, 10:07am
You said everything that needed to be said. I am sorry you are so against having an IR spot, i think it is a good idea. As i said, my team will be just fine after this week with all the bye weeks. I may be too far behind to catch up but we will see.
Title: Re: My team sucks ASS, and Proposed Rule change
Post by T-Rave on Oct 22nd, 2007, 6:22pm
Just a point of interest in light of this injury / IR spot topic -- I've lost both Deuce McAllister and Ronnie Brown FOR THE YEAR.  Marvin Harrison's been out for a few weeks, and Vince Young isn't playing right now.  In other words, my top two running backs are gone -- DONE -- for the year, and I have the nagging, typical injuries that befall players on top of that.  

Anyone want to trade a running back?


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