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(Message started by: StegRock on Jul 11th, 2012, 10:19pm)
Title: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 11th, 2012, 10:19pm
Heyas, All!  Holy Moly, it is July 11th, and we have not even broached the issue of the GBRFL Draft & Meeting!  YIKES! [smiley=yikes.gif] For my part, while things really were looking to be settling down for the first time since our move back to Hawaii, around the time when I sent that CBFL invite e-mail out and was really feeling good about things being increasingly calmer moving forward, we incurred a setback that, well, set things back.  I was in a car accident.  Indeed, the "FantasyFootballer.com" mobile is no more. [smiley=wavinbye.gif] That said, as far as automobile accidents go that (technically) total your vehicle, this could not have gone better.  I will not bore you with the details here.  If we talk and you are curious, I will fill you in.  The bottom line is that nobody was hurt (I was alone; the girls were not with me), and the biggest cost, in a sense, was time, peace of mind and further unnecessary hecticness.  We (as of yesterday, in fact) are on the other side of it all now, and things are onward and upward yet again.

SO, the GBRFL Draft & Meeting...  I will not be back in NJ this summer, and, given how late in the going we are here at this point, I am guessing a "meeting" is highly unlikely.  That said, if you guys back there want to put together a gathering, by all means go for it!  But, one way or another, we are looking at a conference-call and on-line administration of the draft this year.

With that said, most importantly we need to hammer out a date! [smiley=hammer.gif] First, the season starts (oddly) on Wednesday, September 5th.  Also, I already know of one date that will NOT work for one of our owners, Saturday, August 11th.  As far as I am concerned, we could go as late as Labor Day weekend, September 1st or 2nd, or we could go as soon as, well, we can get our act together here.  So, let's commence discussion...

There is one more important matter I must bring up.  Things have been quiet, for sure, and you all are probably busy as hell and perhaps even being considerate of me and the ridiculously hectic existence my family has lived through over the past nine or so months (really, this was the most challenging transition of them all, hands down), but it has been particularly... [smiley=crickets.gif] I have heard from very few of you, and I am having a hard time getting through to some.

As such, I want to take roll call.  So, please, no matter what, take a minute to reply to this thread, letting me know that you are in or, on the other hand, if you are bowing out (you could private-message me if that were the case).  I am not expecting the latter, but I say this this bluntly because we really are working with a limited amount of time.  I do have guys (friends) in the queue wanting in, but I would have to let the person know very soon so that he could adjust his life and get up to speed!  It is already short notice!

Also, along these lines, one person I am particularly concerned about is Frank.  His e-mail address does not work, and I have called numerous times and left a couple messages, all to no avail.  One thing, I only have his home phone number.  I know he has a cell phone, but I cannot find that number for the life of me.  Does anybody have it and could pass it along to me?

Otherwise, [smiley=loudnclear.gif] "Frank, are you out there???"

Alright, guys, please do your due diligence here.  Sign in, or let me know what's up!  Outline dates for the Draft that are good and not good for you...

Out,
Steg [smiley=palmtree.gif] <-(Well, here and almost in that frame of mind.) ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 11th, 2012, 11:13pm
I am in and looking forward to another year.    In regards to a date, I need to speak to the boss.  Will respond by this weekend.

Most importantly, glad to hear you are ok and no one got hurt.  I have had more than my fair share of accidents.......
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 12th, 2012, 12:04am
I am the fucking champion, of course I'm in! Dates, later the better?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Jul 12th, 2012, 8:04am
All is good from my end - I'm in NC for the remainder of the week on vacation but will be back in CO on Monday.

Feder sucks.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Pakman on Jul 12th, 2012, 9:59am
I am in, but will be on vacation from 8/18 through 8/27 and will not  be available via phone during that time.

Therefore, either the weekend before or the weekend after should be fine.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 12th, 2012, 4:42pm

on 07/12/12 at 09:59:55, Pakman wrote:
I am in, but will be on vacation from 8/18 through 8/27 and will not  be available via phone during that time.

Therefore, either the weekend before or the weekend after should be fine.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DB on Jul 12th, 2012, 9:42pm
You know I am in.  The sooner we set a date the better.

I heard that Frank is in London playing pool basketball, which is now an Olympic sport.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by T-Rave on Jul 13th, 2012, 2:35am
I'm in.  Any date other than the 11th works for me.  I prefer before August 19th, but just let me know.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 15th, 2012, 12:41am
I'm in.
August 25th is not good for me.  Other than that I'm open.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 15th, 2012, 7:11pm
The situation with Frank remains a cliffhanger, but I have spoken with Trout, and from what he said and what I am gathering reading through the replies here is that the long-bandied-about idea of doing the draft sometime over Labor Day Weekend is a real possibility here this year, indeed, one of the few possibilities (given Pak's knocking out two weekends there in the prime draft time of mid/late August).

I, for one, am VERY game for doing it around Labor Day.  Here are my further thoughts on the matter.  Since any kind of centralized gathering is extremely highly unlikely this year and since preseason games that weekend are next to meaningless and conclude on Saturday in any case, we could just do a totally ON-LINE administration of the draft right here on "the Gridiron" like we have done in the past for the CBFL.  Since the draft would be conducted totally on-line, it then would not have to be done in one sitting; indeed, it could run throughout the weekend.  To me that sounds like a blast!  We could set the start time, say, sometime the evening/night of Thursday, August 30th or Friday, August 31st or whenever and let it run for the weekend through Monday, September 3rd.  We would adopt drafting rules similar to the ones I have set up for the CBFL, of course with some tweaks to ensure completion of the draft by Monday night.  I think this is very doable, and, in fact, with my wanting to start infusing some life back into this place and commence the slow, but sure comeback of "the Gridiron", this would be a fantastic year to give this a whirl!  And, mind yous, we have the chatroom here for instant communication, and I will still set up the conference call for the Draft's opening "ceremonies", which will also remain available to us throughout the draft if we have to call a quick meeting or something.

So, whatchyas think???  As for me, count me IN on the 2012 GBRFL Labor Day Weekend On-line Draft Extravaganza!!! [smiley=woohoo.gif]
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 15th, 2012, 7:26pm
This would work for me.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 16th, 2012, 8:17pm
Joe, the picture of your wife with the beer , can you have her take her shirt off? I have been looking at this same picture forever, have her lift her shirt up some more!
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 16th, 2012, 9:00pm

on 07/16/12 at 20:17:49, IbdFunk wrote:
Joe, the picture of your wife with the beer , can you have her take her shirt off? I have been looking at this same picture forever, have her lift her shirt up some more!


Ha, ha...  Actually, it is Angelina Jolie.  Joe has explained this before.

ANY-way,... how about getting back to the IMPORTANT topic of discussion and task at hand here?  Are you good to go for an on-line draft Labor Day weekend, per my post above???
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Jul 16th, 2012, 9:38pm
I believe the on-line draft weekend should be doable for me - count me in!
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 16th, 2012, 11:10pm
What is exact date of labor day?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 17th, 2012, 2:14am

on 07/16/12 at 23:10:34, IbdFunk wrote:
What is exact date of labor day?


Labor Day is Monday, September 3rd.  We could begin as early as the evening of Thursday, August 30th.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 17th, 2012, 2:16am

on 07/15/12 at 19:26:29, DOLFAN wrote:
This would work for me.



on 07/16/12 at 21:38:34, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
I believe the on-line draft weekend should be doable for me - count me in!


Well, that makes three of us in on the 2012 GBRFL Labor Day Weekend On-line Draft Extravaganza!
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Pakman on Jul 17th, 2012, 11:07am
How would this work if we started on Thursday?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DB on Jul 17th, 2012, 12:15pm
Fine with me.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 17th, 2012, 12:35pm
This is fine with me.  I can take EITHER Sat or Sun at this point.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 17th, 2012, 5:06pm

on 07/17/12 at 11:07:59, Pakman wrote:
How would this work if we started on Thursday?


Well, we would just schedule the commencement conference call for that evening/night.  We would discuss what we need to discuss and be by our internet-accessible computers; I would then unlock the draft thread here on our message board and let the picking begin.  People would make their picks according to rules similar-ish to the ones we have used for the CBFL with the end set for Labor Day Monday night.

Since you ask about a Thursday start specifically, I will add this...  I am currently on the schedule for a (Tuesday/)Thursday late afternoon/evening class, so Thursday is probably not going to work for me.  I am thinking a Friday start or, thinking outside the box (with the NFL season itself starting oddly on a Wednesday), a Wednesday, August 29th start. [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Anyway, let's keep this convo rolling, [smiley=rollin.gif] fellas...  I am liking hearing the openness to the Labor Day Weekend alternative! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 17th, 2012, 10:56pm
Thursday nights are no good for me but I'm flexible other nights. Can someone explain to me what we are thinking for a weekend draft online? How would this work?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2012, 12:04am

on 07/17/12 at 22:56:15, IbdFunk wrote:
Can someone explain to me what we are thinking for a weekend draft online? How would this work?


The very short of it, Danny, because I know you are not going to read a longer detailed response (and I have not figured it all out yet, anyway), is that everybody will make their picks by posting to a thread dedicated to making picks (not all too dissimilar to what we have done in recent years when we have conducted a regular draft; see here: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1314544249).  Everybody will be on a two-or-three-hour clock when their pick comes up.  In other words, when the person before you picks, you will have two to three hours to make your pick and so on.  The clock will be shut off during wee hours.  The only thing is, with me back in Hawaii there is a six-hour time differential we have to deal with.  So, I have some figuring out I am going to have to do regarding the specifics of the clock and the shut-down times.  But, anyway, that is generally how it will work.  Got it?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2012, 5:15pm
Guys, we are going... [smiley=crickets.gif] here again, :-/ and ten more days have now passed us by.  Of those who have chimed in, I am taking it that, besides myself, the 2012 GBRFL Labor Day Weekend On-line Draft Extravaganza works for Joe, Mark, DB, Warner and Trout (whom I have spoken with... [smiley=phone.gif]), which makes six of us, that is to say, a majority.  The only (weekend) dates that are even hypothetically possible are all very early: July 28th/29th, August 4th (5th is no good for me) and 12th, and, based on responses, THAT'S IT!!!  Save perhaps for the 12th, all of those days are a) earlier than we all would probably like and b) somewhat too soon at this point and going to make for a messy rushed-up affair.

Labor Day weekend is almost our only and really our best option.  As such, I would like to make this "official" and start moving forward with hammering out the specifics, such as the exact start date and time, the cut-down date (which is typically one week before) and posting a protections-list thread here, and the Draft Lottery (which is typically the Monday night before the Draft).  So, can I get you guys to circle the wagons here, confirm or state your ratification of the "2012 GBRFL Labor Day Weekend On-line Draft Extravaganza" plan or present problems you have with it, and make suggestions regarding the start date (maybe not the specific start time because that is something with respect to which I am going to have to do some figuring out given the time difference; suffice it to say, it is going to be evening/night for you all, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 o' clock)???

Thoughts...???!!! [smiley=impatient.gif] ... ;D

For those of you wondering, I still have not gotten through to Frank.  Assuming he is in, he is just going to have to go with the flow at this point. :-/ Time is waning, and soon, within the blink of any eye, we are not going to have any choice but Labor Day weekend. [smiley=shrug.gif]
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 21st, 2012, 7:13pm
I asked what exactly is a online labor day draft, how does that work? Just make picks online? No phone conference?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2012, 7:47pm

on 07/21/12 at 19:13:04, IbdFunk wrote:
I asked what exactly is a online labor day draft, how does that work? Just make picks online? No phone conference?


Holy shit,... [smiley=dick.jpg]!!!  Do you strive to be a moron? [smiley=dunce.gif] I hope so because then at least you are succeeding.  Any-fuckin'-way, I answered this two days ago... [smiley=frustrated.gif]


on 07/19/12 at 00:04:53, StegRock wrote:
The very short of it, Danny, because I know you are not going to read a longer detailed response (and I have not figured it all out yet, anyway), is that everybody will make their picks by posting to a thread dedicated to making picks (not all too dissimilar to what we have done in recent years when we have conducted a regular draft; see here: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1314544249).  Everybody will be on a two-or-three-hour clock when their pick comes up.  In other words, when the person before you picks, you will have two to three hours to make your pick and so on.  The clock will be shut off during wee hours.  The only thing is, with me back in Hawaii there is a six-hour time differential we have to deal with.  So, I have some figuring out I am going to have to do regarding the specifics of the clock and the shut-down times.  But, anyway, that is generally how it will work.  Got it?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 21st, 2012, 11:38pm
What day on the weekend? Or evening?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by T-Rave on Jul 22nd, 2012, 12:58am
To follow in Danny's footsteps:

What day is Labor Day?

Holy $#@*%! it would have taken less time to look that up on google than to post the message.  Yikes!

Anyway, I'm good with Labor Day weekend.  I'd prefer a Friday start, since I'll be in class Thursday evenings, but I can make do.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 22nd, 2012, 1:14am
I am in for the Labor Day weekend draft.   I will admit that my biggest concern is that the draft could come to a complete and total halt if someone is not on top of it.  And candidly, I am sure they would have a very good excuse.  

My preference would be to knock it out in 1 day rather than face the risk of the complete stand still.   It gets frustrating with everyone waiting for 1 person.  

[offtopic] With every week having Thursday games now, I am also leary of how many times people will neglect to enter line ups this year.[/offtopic]
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2012, 2:26am

on 07/21/12 at 23:38:49, IbdFunk wrote:
What day on the weekend? Or evening?


Will Danny even be paying attention enough to see that this portion of this reply is to him? [smiley=shootmyself.gif]

READ, YOU FUCKIN' NUMSKULL!  You ask questions either that I have explicitly answered or that are implicitly answered or that simply demonstrate you are NOT paying attention AT fucking ALL!  Everybody else here gets where we are with things.  I could take a month of Sundays catering to you, explaining just to you, and you would still be fucking lost! [smiley=lost.gif]

Anyway, I am not answering your dumb-ass questions here.  READ the shit that I have taken my valuable time (yes, Danny, we all have lives that make us busy) to write and explain in detail, and try to ANSWER the questions I am asking of you!


on 07/22/12 at 01:14:00, DirkDiggler wrote:
I am in for the Labor Day weekend draft.   I will admit that my biggest concern is that the draft could come to a complete and total halt if someone is not on top of it.  And candidly, I am sure they would have a very good excuse.  

My preference would be to knock it out in 1 day rather than face the risk of the complete stand still.   It gets frustrating with everyone waiting for 1 person.


Thanks for thoughtfully replying, Steve.  Bottom line, there is going to be a clock... [smiley=ontheclock.gif] and I plan to enforce it and plan on its being enforced mercilessly... like the Vikings often have had done to them at the real NFL Draft!  As such, I think there is a built-in "quickening" mechanism.  If someone misses his turn, I think there is going to be a mad rush to make picks!  Then, things will be moving along, except that it will be at a dude's expense!  Sorry. [smiley=soapboxer.gif] You want to play fantasy football in a league like this, you got to sacrifice.  The "have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too" American mindset stops at my doorstep!

Anyway, I feel like I better get this quoted over onto page 2 here as there may be "some of us" (see above) who are so brain-dead that they do not even know that this, the main point of discussion right now, is on page 1... [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif]


on 07/21/12 at 17:15:48, StegRock wrote:
Guys, we are going... [smiley=crickets.gif] here again, :-/ and ten more days have now passed us by.  Of those who have chimed in, I am taking it that, besides myself, the 2012 GBRFL Labor Day Weekend On-line Draft Extravaganza works for Joe, Mark, DB, Warner and Trout (whom I have spoken with... [smiley=phone.gif]), which makes six of us, that is to say, a majority.  The only (weekend) dates that are even hypothetically possible are all very early: July 28th/29th, August 4th (5th is no good for me) and 12th, and, based on responses, THAT'S IT!!!  Save perhaps for the 12th, all of those days are a) earlier than we all would probably like and b) somewhat too soon at this point and going to make for a messy rushed-up affair.

Labor Day weekend is almost our only and really our best option.  As such, I would like to make this "official" and start moving forward with hammering out the specifics, such as the exact start date and time, the cut-down date (which is typically one week before) and posting a protections-list thread here, and the Draft Lottery (which is typically the Monday night before the Draft).  So, can I get you guys to circle the wagons here, confirm or state your ratification of the "2012 GBRFL Labor Day Weekend On-line Draft Extravaganza" plan or present problems you have with it, and make suggestions regarding the start date (maybe not the specific start time because that is something with respect to which I am going to have to do some figuring out given the time difference; suffice it to say, it is going to be evening/night for you all, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 o' clock)???

Thoughts...???!!! [smiley=impatient.gif] ... ;D

For those of you wondering, I still have not gotten through to Frank.  Assuming he is in, he is just going to have to go with the flow at this point. :-/ Time is waning, and soon, within the blink of any eye, we are not going to have any choice but Labor Day weekend. [smiley=shrug.gif]
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2012, 4:08pm

on 07/22/12 at 09:52:06, IbdFunk wrote:
Hey fuck face, in all yur posts you refer to labor day weekend. There are three days to that weekend so I was asking which day? Maybe all your education is wearing your brain down.


Paging "Dr." Greenthumb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj9FVlEtknU)... [smiley=kb.gif]

Ugh, I am going to have to type this again...  It is inevitable with this idiot. [smiley=no.gif] Don't get belligerent with me...  READ!  Pay the fuck attention!

We are talking about staggering the Draft THROUGHOUT the WHOLE weekend, beginning it perhaps on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday evening/night (for you all back there, afternoon for me) with a conference call.  After we hang up from that, we (continue to) make our picks by posting them on a thread set up on our message board here.  Everybody would have two or three hours to make their picks, and we would finish by Monday, Labor Day, night.  The question presently on the table is what day do we want to start: that Wednesday (August 29th), Thursday, Friday, Saturday...

Now, do you FUCKING understand that, all in all, I just took TWENTY more minutes out of my life to REtype that for YOU? [smiley=fumin.gif] All I did here was REwrite FOR YOU what I had already written and explained to everybody!  If you had read, along with everybody else, what I had already posted, with just the slightest of care, you would know what is going on, and you would not be wasting my time like an imbicile.  HELL, I am not even sure if you are reading all of this and are not going to ask the same fucking question a-fucking-gain! [smiley=frustrated.gif]

In any event, you need to drop the faggoty avatar and go with this -> http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/avatars/DrGreenThumb.jpg
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 23rd, 2012, 10:48pm
Wed night is best for me, can't do Th
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Jul 24th, 2012, 11:10am
So here is a POTENTIAL SCENARIO for the draft...

We start the draft with a conference call on Wednesday, August 29th. After the call, we begin the draft. From this point on, it's purely online, meaning when it's your turn to pick, you have a 2 hour window to type up your pick and hit "Post".

The draft will continue on through Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday and potentially Monday, until all picks are made. No one is on a conference call, you are simply watching picks being made until it's your turn.

So, if you can't make any picks on Thursday because that's your local LGBT community celebration and you are the mayor of the parade, it's no problem. We'll simply skip your ass and then you can jump in on Friday and hope that the sucky 4th RB for the Browns that you have your heart set on is still there.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 24th, 2012, 3:30pm
Well explained, Markie!

[offtopic]
on 07/24/12 at 11:10:45, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
We'll simply skip your ass...


Because it'll be gettin' worked anyway... [smiley=bendover.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 24th, 2012, 10:10pm
I'm fine with all that except a 2 hour window, I can't be on call for three days every 2 hours to make a pick, that's dumb!
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 24th, 2012, 10:29pm

on 07/24/12 at 22:10:22, IbdFunk wrote:
I'm fine with all that except a 2 hour window, I can't be on call for three days every 2 hours to make a pick, that's dumb!


You will not be "on call" every two hours.  When it is your pick, you have two (to three) hours to make it (I have not made any final decisions about how long the selection clock will be).  Do you understand the distinction?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 24th, 2012, 11:06pm
Yes, my preference is to bang it out with one call as we usually do. I also like the ability for trades to happen on the spot, people hacking on guys like Joe P for his shitty picks ect. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 24th, 2012, 11:30pm

on 07/24/12 at 23:06:06, IbdFunk wrote:
Yes, my preference is to bang it out with one call as we usually do. I also like the ability for trades to happen on the spot, people hacking on guys like Joe P for his shitty picks ect. Just my opinion.


Well, first, what you wrote is not really responsive to what I asked. :-/ Second, while not impossible, it is unlikely we are going to "hammer out" the draft in one night unless people on the east coast are willing to stay up until 1, 2, 3 a.m. :-/ (this has "rush job" written all over it, which, as you all know, I loathe because it defeats the purpose; we enjoy this, right? ?.?.?). Lastly, I do not think that you appreciate the virtues of and the enjoyment that can be had by doing it slowly over the weekend, not to mention the bonus that could be had for the web site by doing it that way. :-/ With that said, I am not committed to anything.  I would just like to see more reasoned and thoughtful opinions on the matter.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 24th, 2012, 11:53pm
I did not take into account the time changes from where You are to the east coast. Second, all that matters is I am the freaking champion and what I say should go! I do agree with some of your logic though.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Pakman on Jul 27th, 2012, 9:06am
I would prefer that the draft be conducted in one day.  It would be much less confusing.  In addition, it is hard for me to allot a whole weekend to this draft, especially labor day weekend.  I think my wife would kill me if I ignored her and my whole family for an entire weekend.  

Also, based on Feder's posts, I think that every time it would be his turn, we would all be waiting at least 2 hours or whatever the amount of time that is allotted for each pick and I think that I would go nuts.

If it's just one day, everyone can allot for that time and there is no excuse for not being able to participate.

By the way, has anyone heard from Frank?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DB on Jul 27th, 2012, 11:54am
I prefer to draft in one day as well.  However, this does not require the entire weekend.  It will require checking in 3-4 times a day for 2-3 days.  If someone is delaying the process too much, then someone can just call them and post their pick.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 27th, 2012, 1:19pm

on 07/27/12 at 11:54:23, DB wrote:
I prefer to draft in one day as well.  However, this does not require the entire weekend.  It will require checking in 3-4 times a day for 2-3 days.  If someone is delaying the process too much, then someone can just call them and post their pick.



IF we can get everyone together- we can knock quite a bit of it out in one day.   I for one plan on calling the person who picks after me so they can know they are on the clock.   I would hope the person in front of me does the same.  

This is not rocket science and everyone picked after the 3rd round is pretty much subject to be dropped anyways.....
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Jul 28th, 2012, 6:06am
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/soapboxnew.gif THIS...


on 07/27/12 at 09:06:17, Pakman wrote:
In addition, it is hard for me to allot a whole weekend to this draft, especially labor day weekend.  I think my wife would kill me if I ignored her and my whole family for an entire weekend.


... coming from the guy who single-handedly knocked out TWO WHOLE weekends during the prime fantasy draft time of mid/late August. :-/ I love ya, Rob, and I say this with all due respect.  But, come on, man...

We all know family and, for that matter, careers come first, but, as far as I am concerned, this presumably beloved hobby of ours should reasonably register on our personal Richter Scales and be worthy of reasonably significant sacrifice, and spouses hopefully appreciate that.  Heck, my wife LOVES that THIS (and not many other shittier things) is my pastime.  At any rate, participating in the hobby, especially at a GBRFL level, requires some sacrifice.  Work with me here, man...

ANY-way, regarding the Draft, having read through the replies here and spoken with some of you, I am going to present a few options for us to choose from and vote on...  Know that, despite my prior statements, I am not married to any one of the options.  Indeed, I will present only one truly "over the whole weekend" option.  Without further ado, here they are...  (Danny http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/avatars/DrGreenThumb.jpg, read this carefully, PLEASE, and stay on point!!!)

Option 1: The "Over the Weekend" Option
We "meet" on-line and via conference call on Friday night, August 31st at 8:00 (EST).  We anticipatively knock out one or two rounds that night.  For the rest of the weekend, we will work with a 30-minute selection clock.  Here is how Saturday and potentially Sunday and Monday would go...  The selection clock is OFF from midnight until 2:00 in the afternoon (EST) (although you are, of course, welcome to make picks when the clock is off) and ON from 2:00 p.m. to midnight.  Granted, the selection clock is quite a bit shorter than I anticipated making it, 30 minutes (not 2 or 3 hours), but it is only ON for 10 hours a day (instead of 16 to 18, which is what I was originally thinking it would have to be).  Many factors considered, this calculus just worked the best, and these hours seem like they should be doable in all the time zones involved.  2:00 p.m. to midnight (EST) is noon to 10:00 p.m. (Rocky Mountain), 11:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. (Pacific) and 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. (Hawaiian), all doable.

Option 2: The "Hybrid" Option
We "meet" on-line and via conference call on Friday night, August 31st at 8:00 (EST), knock out a few rounds and then "meet" again Saturday sometime between, say, 5:00 and 8:00 p.m. (EST) and knock out the rest.  Or, we "meet" between 5:00 and 8:00 p.m. on Saturday or Sunday and finish, respectively, on Sunday or Monday, again, starting at 5:00 to 8:00 p.m.  In other words, with this option, we can go Friday-Saturday, Saturday-Sunday or Sunday-Monday.

Option 3: The "One Night" Option
We "meet" on-line and via conference call on Friday night, August 31st at 8:00 (EST) or Saturday, Sunday or Monday between 5:00 and 8:00 p.m. (an earlier start time would make more sense for this option) and knock out the draft in one sitting.

For now, PLEASE, for organization's sake, just vote 1, 2 or 3.  If we end up going with options 2 or 3, I would like to hammer out preferences with respect to days and times with separate voting sessions.  With that said, let's get to voting, fellas!!!

Finally, yes, contact has been made with Francis!  He is in the fold and, I am sure, will be logging in and posting sometime soon.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 28th, 2012, 1:36pm
I vote for option #1.  
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Jul 28th, 2012, 6:41pm
I vote option 1.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by IbdFunk on Jul 28th, 2012, 7:43pm
Champion votes 1
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 29th, 2012, 1:47am
I vote for option 1.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Art Vandalay on Jul 29th, 2012, 1:44pm
I might vote #1 but it's not my turn until 4:30.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by T-Rave on Jul 29th, 2012, 8:42pm
I prefer option 2, but I can probably make do with any of the options.  
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DB on Jul 29th, 2012, 9:07pm
Option 1 (but I would say option 3 if we could start at 8 pm ET).
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Pakman on Jul 31st, 2012, 12:11am
I would also choose option 3, but can make option 1 work
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Pakman on Jul 31st, 2012, 12:11am
also glad to see that you are alive frank
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Aug 12th, 2012, 4:32am
Trout also voted [smiley=phone.gif] for Option 1.  So, with that, without my even voting (indeed, I was fine with any of the options, leaned toward #2 actually, with #1 as a close second choice in my mind), Option 1 has the support of the majority of the GBRFL!  So, Option 1 it is, and to recap here it is again...


on 07/28/12 at 06:06:42, StegRock wrote:
Option 1: The "Over the Weekend" Option
We "meet" on-line and via conference call on Friday night, August 31st at 8:00 9:00-9:30 (EST).  We anticipatively knock out one or two rounds that night.  For the rest of the weekend, we will work with a 30-minute selection clock.  Here is how Saturday and potentially Sunday and Monday would go...  The selection clock is OFF from midnight until 2:00 in the afternoon (EST) (although you are, of course, welcome to make picks when the clock is off) and ON from 2:00 p.m. to midnight.  Granted, the selection clock is quite a bit shorter than I anticipated making it, 30 minutes (not 2 or 3 hours), but it is only ON for 10 hours a day (instead of 16 to 18, which is what I was originally thinking it would have to be).  Many factors considered, this calculus just worked the best, and these hours seem like they should be doable in all the time zones involved.  2:00 p.m. to midnight (EST) is noon to 10:00 p.m. (Rocky Mountain), 11:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. (Pacific) and 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. (Hawaiian), all doable.


With this now as our plan, I have posted (what will be) our Draft Pick thread: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1344759965.  The initial post contains information on how the Draft will work.  That thread is locked until the Draft kicks off, that is, until the meeting portion of the festivities on Friday, August 31st is over.

ALSO, I have posted a Protection List thread.  Based on the Draft's commencement date, Friday, August 31st, protections are due by Friday, August 24th.  Details are on that thread: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1344760016.

ALSO, the Draft Lottery will be conducted consistent with how we have done it in the past.  It will be held the day after cut-down day.  So, the Draft Lottery will be done by conference call on Saturday, August 25th at, say, 7:00 p.m. (EST).  Attendance is not required (though we do need at least two people besides myself, and preferably NOT in the lottery, to participate so as to keep it honest).

Well, that's all, folks! [smiley=pig.gif]
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Aug 18th, 2012, 5:58pm
Fellas, I regret to inform yous that we will need to make a slight, but not insignificant adjustment to the start time of the Draft/Meeting!  For personal/family reasons for which I failed to account when deciding on the Draft date(s), it will not be reasonable for me to conduct the commencement of the Draft/Meeting at 2:00 in the afternoon my time.  3:00 to 3:30 my time should work.  So, I have got to push the start time back by an hour or so and, for flexibility's sake, make it a window of time.

AS SUCH, the start time for the 2012 GBRFL Draft/Meeting will be on Friday, August 31st at 8:00 sometime between 9:00 and 9:30 p.m. (EST).  I apologize for having to push the start time back and thank you all for your anticipated understanding and cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif]

With that said, I hope that the Draft can get started within 30 minutes to an hour of the start time, BUT, though I do not expect much "general" discussion about rule changes this year, THERE ARE going to be two fairly gnarly issues with which we will need to deal.  ONE regards the Draft itself.  I am going to have to make sure that it is abundantly clear to EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US how the Draft, once it begins and before people start hanging up from the conference call, is going to proceed throughout the weekend.  This is going to require great listening ears and orderliness of discussion!  TWO should come as music to all of your ears, but I will put it to vote!  I think I have come up with a way to make our lineup-submission process twofold and, thus, better accommodate the Thursday Night games that we have to deal with every week this season (as Steve starkly reminded us earlier in this thread).  It will require quite a bit more work on my part, and I have not raised the league fee in about FIFTEEN YEARS... if you see where I am going with that -- and, meanwhile, times are hard, a reality to which I am greatly sympathetic.  It will also probably result in a delay in the processing of weekly free-agent transactions.  As for the rule itself, the details are fairly gnarly and, again, besides my own clear presentation, will require great listening ears and an orderly discussion!  Honestly, while I will work hard to get something up on our message board here about it before the 31st as well as streamline my presentation, the discussion of this alone could take 30 to 45 minutes because of BOTH its gnarliness AND its IMPORTANCE!

So, all in all, I think it is imperative that we adopt a mindset of "staying on point" during the meeting portion of the conference call on the 31st!  Alright, over and out...
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Aug 24th, 2012, 4:48pm

on 08/12/12 at 04:32:04, StegRock wrote:
ALSO, the Draft Lottery will be conducted consistent with how we have done it in the past.  It will be held the day after cut-down day.  So, the Draft Lottery will be done by conference call on Saturday, August 25th at, say, 7:00 p.m. (EST).  Attendance is not required (though we do need at least two people besides myself, and preferably NOT in the lottery, to participate so as to keep it honest).


You all will soon be hearing from me (both by e-mail and here on the message board) on this note...
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Aug 25th, 2012, 5:59am

on 08/24/12 at 16:48:33, StegRock wrote:
You all will soon be hearing from me (both by e-mail and here on the message board) on this note...


Heyas, Everybody!  I just sent out an e-mail to yous all.  Besides providing the conference-call information, I included the following message which I would also like to include here.  Here it is...

It could be cool, if EVERYONE were to show for the Lottery, we could get some of that pre-Draft stuff that I mentioned over on the boards out of the way during the Lottery conference call so we would have less to do next Friday before the commencement of the Draft.  Again, I understand that it may be too late for you all to adjust to it on such short notice, but, if you could do it, that could be cool.  See what you can do!
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Aug 31st, 2012, 6:24am
Early morning on the East coast...  Top of the morning to yous, fellas...  'Tis Christmas morn for us GBRFLers!  Draft (commencement) day!  Relish in the anticipation!  See yous when the sun goes down and the stars come out... back East...
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DOLFAN on Sep 9th, 2012, 12:22pm
Steg and company, I really think we need to re-address the lineup submission issue.
IMO, having only Thursday's evening information to submit a final lineup for Sunday games is not a true reflection of competitive fantasy football as we want it to be for this league. It doesn't matter if it is injury or trades, even though all of us are affected evenly/randomly, IMO it effects trades alot too.
What happens if a trade is made on Friday after Thursday games(not involving Thursday players)? Does that mean that we cannot start those player that I get in the trade until the following week( 7-10 days later)?
If that is the case...then would a trade need to be in by Thursday night for Sunday games?

I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering why we can't bring it up again to fix this issue. I know that we said that we would/could talk about it later. We all agreed it needed to be addressed, maybe we can hammer out a solution within the next month or so....it does not need to happen immediately...it really should not be that difficult.
Can we discuss this again please? I know I'm not the only owner who feels this way.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by StegRock on Sep 9th, 2012, 1:15pm

on 09/09/12 at 12:22:33, DOLFAN wrote:
Steg and company, I really think we need to re-address the lineup submission issue.
IMO, having only Thursday's evening information to submit a final lineup for Sunday games is not a true reflection of competitive fantasy football as we want it to be for this league. It doesn't matter if it is injury or trades, even though all of us are affected evenly/randomly, IMO it effects trades alot too.
What happens if a trade is made on Friday after Thursday games(not involving Thursday players)? Does that mean that we cannot start those player that I get in the trade until the following week( 7-10 days later)?
If that is the case...then would a trade need to be in by Thursday night for Sunday games?


Of course, that is the case, Joe.  If you make a trade after the Thursday night kickoff, the player is unavailable to you that week.  That has always been the case.  Why would that change?

Indeed, what you have done here is not necessarily bring up another reason to get this issue resolved now, but a reason for further pause because trading is a whole nother dimension I actually did not consider in my calculus to make this work!


Quote:
I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering why we can't bring it up again to fix this issue. I know that we said that we would/could talk about it later. We all agreed it needed to be addressed, maybe we can hammer out a solution within the next month or so....it does not need to happen immediately...it really should not be that difficult.
Can we discuss this again please? I know I'm not the only owner who feels this way.


I do not know what kind of leagues you are accustomed to, but I am NOT a fan of changing things midseason, midstream.  We had our crack at this.  We let impatience consume us.  Now, we have to live with that. [smiley=zenmaster.gif]

Moreover, even though I put A LOT of effort into thinking about this heading into our Summer Meeting and wanted to address it, I was not unhappy with the decision.  I think, especially from the perspective of running the stats and thus knowing that aspect of things more intimately and detailedly, our "cascading" takes care of A LOT, MUCH MORE of the issues here than you can appreciate.  Indeed, as Mark highlighted to me after the meeting, it makes you consider the order of your backups with MUCH greater care than in other leagues.

Finally, I do find it a little funny whom I have heard from (including behind the scenes) on this score and the "personal" reasons that prompted them.  I too, if you have not looked, have had, in particular, one totally crappy situation, perhaps the worst of the week: Marshawn Lynch.  With that said, not only is my sentiment not to lament over it, but I rather like that the thought I put into my backups may actually not have been in vain and kick in.

Those are my thoughts!  Knowing the "whole" of our constituency and the directions the conversation is likely to go in, I am not for opening this up after the ball has already been kicked off!  Too much self-interest will be involved.  Feel free to discuss.  Indeed, we need to discuss it.  But, I say we get another thread going and just discuss the impressions we have as the season unfolds and set ourselves up for a heady decision heading into the offseason.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DOLFAN on Sep 9th, 2012, 1:29pm
Steg, I know that it will not change this year.
I was just saying that if we discuss it maybe we wont be rushed, and feel like we are running out of time like Friday night, and the issues gets tabled for another season. That's all I am saying..or suggesting...
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by T-Rave on Sep 9th, 2012, 2:19pm
I like the idea of having a thread on this topic, so that we can discuss it as the season progresses.  This will give us an easy forum to discuss the issue in the abstract as well as with regard to particular situations as they arise.

I sympathize with Joe's position, but I think that, had we installed a new lineup submission, we would have had a fair amount of confusion, some possible loopholes, and a lot of work for Stegfucius.  So I am in favor of discussing the proposal, hammering out the issues, closing any loopholes, etc. over the course of this season so that we can, having done our due diligence, decide whether we like the idea of a new lineup submission system and then implement it, if we like it, starting next season.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by Art Vandalay on Sep 9th, 2012, 8:04pm
I agree. Let's use this area as a way to track issues and possible loopholes that we can refer back to next season when voting on this issue again.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Meeting, Draft & Roll Call
Post by DirkDiggler on Sep 13th, 2012, 9:44pm
Since entering line ups is such a critical issue that we HAVE to discuss adding another submission :-X   :-/   ..............


I have a quick rule clarification.  Joe only entered 3 RBs this week (thus why I think adding ANOTHER line up submission is such a mute point-guys cant even take the time to enter 1 correctly.)  Am I correct in assuming that his 4th RB would be the RB that was listed 4th last week, then his 5th RB, OR would the RB he added via free agency go 4th?    I am sure I could find this answer SOMEWHERE, but thought it would be quicker to ask.

I bring up this question because Ryan Matthews is listed as one of his 3 starters.  He may play- but he may not.  


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