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(Message started by: StegRock on Aug 29th, 2002, 5:01am)
Title: Barlow/Hearst & Green, Williams then Alexander
Post by StegRock on Aug 29th, 2002, 5:01am
I would take Ahman Green first, Ricky Williams second, and Shaun Alexander third.

How about you?
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by paulinstl on Aug 30th, 2002, 7:38am
1. Faulk
2. Green
3. Alexander
4. Holmes :o
5. George
6. Williams
7. Dillon
8. A Train
9. Tomlinson
10.S. Davis
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by StegRock on Aug 30th, 2002, 8:02pm

on 08/30/02 at 07:38:16, paulinstl wrote:
1. Faulk
2. Green
3. Alexander
4. Holmes :o
5. George
6. Williams
7. Dillon
8. A Train
9. Tomlinson
10.S. Davis


I am with ya' paul.  Here is how I would amend:

Tier 1
1) Marshall Faulk

Tier 2
2) Ahman Green
3) Ricky Williams
4) Priest Holmes
5) Shaun Alexander
6) Corey Dillon

Tier 3
7) Curtis Martin
8) Eddie George
9) Anthony Thomas
10) Fred Taylor

Top-10 Candidates if an injury occurs to the aforementioned:
11) Michael Pittman
12) Duece McAllister
13) Kevan Barlow
14) Michael Bennett
15) Stephen Davis

NOTES:
*Don't buy the hype about Taylor and Mack's splitting carries.  The main concern about Taylor, as it always has been, is staying healthy, which, granted, is a significant concern.

*Don't worry about Pittman's dings or the threat of Alstott.  When you think Pittman 2002, think Wheatley 2000.

*Stephen Davis's numbers will tail off somewhat in Spurrier's pass-first offense.

*Kevan Barlow is a stud, a little high risk with Hearst still around, but if/when he gets his chance, he will shine a'la Shaun Alexander.

*Curtis Martin is a safe pick, which means two things:  He does not have a lot of downside, but he also does not have a lot of upside.

To see my biases, check out my GBRFL (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/) roster at:
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/rosters.htm.

Post your rankings!
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by Razzak on Aug 31st, 2002, 9:28am

on 08/29/02 at 05:01:34, StegRock wrote:
I would take Ahman Green first, Ricky Williams second, and Shaun Alexander third.

How about you?


Would be nice if I could attach a file, but i'll just post this here.

Faulk,Marshall
Green,Ahman
Williams,Ricky
Alexander,Shaun - Holmgren seems to dislike the guy, which is why he falls a bit on my board.
George,Eddie - Resurgence.
Holmes,Priest - Don't like him, but gotta respect last years #'s.  If Vermiel's gonna run him losing in the 4th, I'm gonna draft him.
Dillon,Corey
Thomas,Anthony - I'm really worried about his injuries.
Martin,Curtis - I hate Paul Hackett.
Taylor,Fred - Top 7 if healthy even with crappy ass team.
Bettis,Jerome - Never dies.
Hearst,Garrison - Won't be phased out.
James,Edgerrin - I've seen him as high as 2.
Tomlinson,LaDainian
McAllister,Deuce
Smith,Antowain
Bennett,Michael
Stewart,James
Davis,Stephen
Staley,Duce
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by Razzak on Sep 4th, 2002, 9:14am
Faulk
Green
Williams
Alexander

And even though I own Barlow, Hearst ain't gettin phased out.  He should be good for 1300 yards and 3-4 TD's.
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by StegRock on Sep 7th, 2002, 6:43am

on 09/04/02 at 09:14:55, Razzak wrote:
And even though I own Barlow, Hearst ain't gettin phased out.  He should be good for 1300 yards and 3-4 TD's.


Well, we want to do this dance [smiley=dancin.gif] again, do we? [smiley=flamewar.gif]

Listen, he is already splitting time!  I still maintain that at least by mid-seasonish, Barlow will be getting more carries than Hearst, and if Hearst goes down, he doesn't get phased out, he gets tossed, no thrown, to the curb!

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Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by PhantasyPhilly on Sep 7th, 2002, 8:37am
StegRock...

I find it interesting that you leave both Tomlinson and the Edge off your top 15.

I think Tomlinson is clearly a Tier 3 and Edge should be a Tier 2.

Just a thought...    [smiley=evil.gif]
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by Han_Soloist on Sep 7th, 2002, 11:03pm
Please allow me to insert some needful commentary here.  First of all, Ahman Green IS PRIMED FOR A BIG SEASON. And Ricky Williams WILL CARRY THE LOAD.  Ahhh, but Shaun Alexander MAY BE FACING STACKED LINES WITH HASSELBECK INEFFECTIVE.  You can learn more about that here: http://64.191.13.171/guest/jeff/wk1/rbs.htm
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by StegRock on Sep 7th, 2002, 11:08pm

on 09/07/02 at 23:03:51, Han_Soloist wrote:
Please allow me to insert some needful commentary here.  First of all, Ahman Green IS PRIMED FOR A BIG SEASON. And Ricky Williams WILL CARRY THE LOAD.  Ahhh, but Shaun Alexander MAY BE FACING STACKED LINES WITH HASSELBECK INEFFECTIVE.  You can learn more about that here: http://64.191.13.171/guest/jeff/wk1/rbs.htm


Great post!  Nice commentary with the link! Thanks! [smiley=smileythumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by StegRock on Sep 8th, 2002, 2:16am

on 09/07/02 at 08:37:27, PhantasyPhilly wrote:
StegRock...

I find it interesting that you leave both Tomlinson and the Edge off your top 15.

I think Tomlinson is clearly a Tier 3 and Edge should be a Tier 2.

Just a thought... [smiley=evil.gif]


OOOPS!  Kind of forgot about Edge, actually! :-[ Don't know how! ??? Paul didn't, then in my amendment, I didn't.  Guess that is how it went.  Bonehead! :-[ Still, though, I would only put him in at about 12 to 15.  As for Tomlinson, I am not crazy about him for this year.  I think he is going to have a good year, but lackluster vis-a-vis his rookie year and what the expectations are.  I'd say he is probably 16 through 18 on my list if I were to ever have written it out in thorough!
Title: Re: Green then Williams then Alexander
Post by ColaSteeler on Sep 8th, 2002, 4:21am
I'd prefer them in this order:

Faulk
A. Green
Holmes
Alexander
Ricky
Martin
George
Dillon
Edge
A-Train
LT2
Title: Re: Barlow/Hearst & Green, Williams then Alexander
Post by StegRock on Sep 19th, 2002, 9:32am

on 09/04/02 at 09:14:55, Razzak wrote:
And even though I own Barlow, Hearst ain't gettin phased out.  He should be good for 1300 yards and 3-4 TD's.


Sorry to do this Razzak, but I told you so.  Here is the latest out of Fanball regarding the issue of the 49er's need to establish a running game to combat the two-deep zones they have been facing and open up their home-run passing attack.

"'This two-deep stuff is nothing new. You've got to be able to run the ball against it,' coach Steve Mariucci told the Contra Costa Times on Tuesday. 'You've got to be patient. If you run the ball well, people tend to put a safety in the box (near the line of scrimmage). That's why we've got to be able to do that.'

'We've got to establish the running game,' Owens told the San Francisco Chronicle after Sunday's bitter defeat, in which starting halfback Garrison Hearst was held to five yards on five carries.

Hey, maybe that's it. Instead of feeding the rock to old man Hearst, who is averaging 2.6 yards per carry, maybe they need to feature second-year stud Kevan Barlow, who is averaging 5.3 per tote. If you saw Barlow's 31-yard run against the Broncos on Sunday, you know all about his blend of speed, power, and cutback ability."

As I have been laboriously stating for the last few months, Hearst has Lamar Smith 2001 written all over him.  He's fine in an offense that can open up the run with the pass, like last year's 49er offense.  But, when put in a position where the weight of opening up the pass with the run is squarely placed on his shoulders, no can do.  They gotta' wake up, smell the coffee and running with and running Barlow.

Here is a link to the whole article:
http://www.fanball.com/article.cfm/ID.740


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