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(Message started by: bgsgfan on Sep 2^nd, 2002, 10:59pm)

Title: Edge's Backup situation
Post by bgsgfan on Sep 2^nd, 2002, 10:59pm

Like just about every Edge owner out there, I am extremely perplexed by his backup situation. Stith appears to be the man for right now, however he is fighting an injury and Indy is auditioning players and bringing in FAs. Ricky Williams (no, not THAT RW), the rookie out of Texas Tech was brought in and somewhere I saw that a guy named Mungro (about whom I can find no info) was brought in. They have worked out Ki-Jana Carter and supposedly are interested in Skip Hicks and maybe Jamal Anderson.

What is the bottom line right now? ???

Who is Mungro? ???

Who ends up as the backup? ???

Inquiring minds want to know.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by StegRock on Sep 2^nd, 2002, 11:35pm

RB James Mungro, out of Syracuse, was picked in the 7th round by Detroit. He just was cut. He had the kind of camp like Ben Gay did last year for Cleveland. It was believed he was going to make the team and he was becoming a "cult" favorite among the fans. He plays with a lot of heart. He carries decent weight 214 lbs., but only stands 5'9". Ultimately, I do not see his being much, if any, better than what they already have.

As for the option of Ricky Williams out of Tech, I don't have a clue where that will go. We'll just have to wait and see!

My guess is that they go into the season with what they have at this point (at this point a pretty obvious observation), which amounts basically to Stith, Finn and rookie Brian Allen out of Stanford, whom, quietly I think, the team has come to like. Ultimately, though, if Edge goes down during the season, I think it all depends on where they are in the standings. If they are playoff bound, they probably are willing to pay for and entice the likes of Watters or Anderson. If they are not, they probably play it out with what they already have in order to see what hidden gems they might have for the future. For depth, they might bring back a guy like McDougal, who has been on and off, the team that is, but has an established relationship with them for some time now.

As a side note, Ki-jana Carter perplexes me. ??? He looked good when he got a chance to tote the rock in Washington last year. Guess the fire went out!! Have not a clue about how serious Indy is about acquiring him, but if they pick him, he is intriguing.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by bgsgfan on Sep 3^rd, 2002, 12:08pm

For right now, I see Stith as the best choice... but I am relatively sure that will change. Thanks for the info. The action is so (relatively) hot on these guys that in one 14-team league I am in, Stith, RW2, Ki-Jana, and Maurice Smith have all been picked up on waivers. :o

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 4^th, 2002, 11:02am

I suppose this is as good a place as any for me to start getting active on this board. ;D

Here is the Colts back up sistuation in a Nut Shell for you

These are the ONLY RBs on the Colts Roster as of right now today:

Edge - Possible problems still lingering from his ACL surgry

Stith - Currently Hobbling, although when Healthy, he is the Back up. Drafted 3 years ago by the Jags, and performed adquetly, but not spectacular as a replacement starter for Fred Taylor 2 years ago. Spent almost all of last season on IR.

Ricky Williams2 - Just reported to camp 9/3, will be the Back up if Stith is unable to play this week. The Colts actually offered him a Roster spot right after the Draft in the spring as an undrafted Free Agent, but he opted to sign with New Orleans. Small at 5'7", he has skills, good balance, and Vision. He will be Edges Backup until Stith is ready to go. Only holds value (and it is minimal) for the first couple of games this season.

James Mungro - Drafted in the 7th round by the Lions, the Lions put him on Waivers with the intention of placing him on their practice squad after he cleared. The Colts slid in and snagged him much to the lions dismay. He came in at the Combine in Indy at 5'8" and 7/8th, 215lbs, and ran a 4.65. He has the ability to play some Full back, but strugged even in College with Blocking assignments, and is a developmental player. I will add that he has the size and ability to some day be a starting RB in the NFL, but it is certainly not this season. He is unlikely to see the field outside of special teams. He is a solid Special Teams player. I would be happy to write a detailed evaluation of him if anyone requests it, but he is not going to help anyone this season.

Jim Finn Starting Full Back, sever sprained Knee, out for 4-6 weeks.

Detron Smith Signed yesterday, he is the Replacement starting Full Back while Finn is out. No Fantasy Value.

That is it in a Nutshell, Going into the season, the Back up is clearly, without question Stith, and if he is unable to play, it will be RW2.

Now here are some other players involved just for your information:

Stegrock mentioned Brian Allen as a possible, he is out for the season after undergoing surgry.

Ricky Watters was mentioned by Stegrock as well, he has stated that he will not play for anything less than $1.5 million this season, and he must be guarenteed the starting job, otherwise he is happy being retired as he has nothing left to prove. As long as Edge is in the picture, Watters is out. Should Edge go down for an extended period, then you can consider Watters, but unless that happens, Watters is not going to be on the Colts.

KiJana Carter was in Inday Monday 9/2 for a workout/interview but left without signing.

The Colts are trying to get Skip Hicks in for a work out, but as of Wednesday 9/4, that still has not happened.

Terry Allen has been talked about, but doesn't seem to have been contacted by the Colts yet.

The Colts plan on resinging McDougal to the practice squad, there is no plan for him to be part of the team this season.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 4^th, 2002, 11:24am

FOR THE RECORD, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE TO BE ANY PROBLEMS WITH EDGE STARTING THIS WEEKEND

I don't believe there will be a problem this weekend, but for your information:

Mark Patrick on his local sports talk show in Indy had this Comment about Edge on Monday 9/2

His "sources" and a hunch say that Edge not playing in the pre-season may be more than the Colts and Edge "just playing it safe", which is the official comment from the team. He believes that it could have more to do with James' knee and that there is a decent chance that James will not play in the season opener.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mark Patrick, he is THE local sports guy when it comes to all things Colts, and I've never known him to spread spread this kind of rumor without some basis for having such feelings. Patrick has a good reputation, and is not prone to wild comments at all.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by StegRock on Sep 4^th, 2002, 9:35pm

Here is the lowdown from the Indianapolis Star ripped straight off "the Gridiron" newsstand:
http://www.indystar.com/article.php?coltsside04.html!

Hope this helps!

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Razzak on Sep 4^th, 2002, 10:09pm

They'll wait til he getsinjured before signing another back. IF he gets injured.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Havingfitz on Sep 5^th, 2002, 10:07am

1.2.3.

Title: Colts pass on Carter
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 5^th, 2002, 11:12am

Colts take a Pass on KiJana Carter

http://www.indystar.com/article.php?cnotes05.html

(Second Article Down)

Quote:

Carter on the list

The Colts put veteran running back Ki-Jana Carter through a physical and workout Monday. He passed each, but left town without a contract.

"Nothing is imminent," Joel Segal, Carter's agent, said Wednesday. "Right now we're just taking things one day at a time."

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 5^th, 2002, 11:59am

Here is something interesting to concider

In the past few days, the Colts have restructured Marvin Harrison's and a number of other players contracts.

Total Cap room freed up in the last few days? 2.6 Million

I wonder what Jamal Anderson is asking for to play this year? It would not shock me to see Jam come out of nowhere and sign with the Colts soon.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 6^th, 2002, 6:00pm

From ColtsPower.com

On the backup front:
"We're going to have to see how things progress," Dungy said. "All three of those guys had their first practices today and they seemed to fit in really well....it remains to be seen who will be our second guy." Dungy 9/5/2002 after practice.

Mungro, Williams or Stith, they're all in play.

My take is that it's Stith as long as he is Healthy.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Bert on Sep 7^th, 2002, 1:23pm

This is going to ba an on going situation. I think the colts are going to see how good or bad edge looks against a live defense then decide how serious the need is for a back up.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by StegRock on Sep 7^th, 2002, 9:52pm

on 09/05/02 at 11:59:29, Drugrunner wrote:

This is a great analysis! Just what I would expect from an "Assistant Coach" around here! Great find! Great thought-process! Great job! [smiley=smileythumbsup.gif]

I am just wondering "how much" that knee really is a problem?!

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 7^th, 2002, 10:40pm

Something else to concider.

The NFL has a rule that states if a Player is on the Roster for the first game of the season, his Salary is Gaurenteed for that season.

So all the Colts have to do is get through week one, and they can take all that money they freed up against the cap, and throw it around.

If they sign an expensive player after the week 1 games, and for some reason you have to let him go later, you will get back any money you haven't yet paid him against the cap, and you can try again.

Much more flexiblity to sign a player after week one if the Colts can limp through the game.

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by Han_Soloist on Sep 7^th, 2002, 10:51pm

Not sure what to make of him yet
http://64.191.13.171/guest/jeff/wk1/rbs.htm

Title: Re: Edge's Backup situation
Post by StegRock on Sep 7^th, 2002, 11:23pm

on 09/07/02 at 22:51:16, Han_Soloist wrote:

Not sure what to make of him yet
http://64.191.13.171/guest/jeff/wk1/rbs.htm

Overall, Solo, GOOD POSTS! Thanks for the quality links! [smiley=smileythumbsup.gif] FFToday is a solid site... overall!