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(Message started by: ColaSteeler on Sep 8^th, 2002, 4:17am)

Title: Thoughts on WRs
Post by ColaSteeler on Sep 8^th, 2002, 4:17am

Hopefully I got it right and this is the right place for this type of question........first the basics:

I start 3 WRs and 3 RBs in one of my 10 team leagues .......we get 1 point per 10 yds rush/rec, and 1 point per reception, as well as 6 points for all TDs. We carry 5 RB and 5 WRs on our teams.

At RB I am set with A. Green/ Holmes/ Barber/Stewart/Barlow. At WR, I have Horn/KJ2/Burress/Dyson/T. Taylor (as a result of a trade).

I'm not sold on T. Taylor this year, and right now, available are:

Schroeder, D. Thompson, Chrebet, Bradford, D. Alexander, and all rookie WRs.

My question is if any of them are better than Taylor? I am a bit biased against Taylor since I had him for a while last year, and may not be looking at this clearly. Thrash was also dropped this week, and will be availble off waivers next week, but I have a feeling there will be lots of interest in him, and probably will miss out if I win this week. So, my thoughts are to try and get someone before the games on Sunday. Question is, who will be the best guy to pick up.....this guy will be my backup, and will play along with Dyson (depending on matchups) during my starter's bye weeks, or in case of injury, or bad matchup. (like this week with KJ2 with Couch out). Was leaning towards D. thompson, but Stallworth/Bryant/Gaffney could also be interesting, as could one of the veterans.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by StegRock on Sep 8^th, 2002, 4:35am

I know you have already been burned by Taylor, but, honestly I like Taylor more than Dyson and then Derrius Thompson more than Dyson. And, I like Thompson for this week. I guess I would drop Dyson for Thompson and start Thompson!

By the way, thanks for posting this thread RIGHT where it belongs! [smiley=smileythumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 8^th, 2002, 11:10am

I would not be so fast to discount Dyson.

This is the year he needs to prove that he is more than just the guy that was drafted before Moss. In a few interviews, he stated that he is out to prove himself this year. Also, this is the last year of his contract, and he has yet to be restructured.

Dyson is playing for Pride and a big Payday. Gold teeth cost money.

I wouldn't even concider droping him at this point. If you are going to drop him (Which I wouldn't), atleast wait a few games to see how this plays out.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by Drugrunner on Sep 8^th, 2002, 11:15am

If it were me, I would let Taylor go (Unproven, Bad team, Unproven QB) and take a flyer on Darius Thompson.

Thompson might be totally worthless, but go ahead and take the gamble on the Fun and Gun.

Worst case senerio: Thompspon and Spurier's O fail, and you have to pick back up Taylor or one of the rookies. (Make it Antonio Bryant if you have to)

The possible reward of Thompson is almost too much to not act on.

Hope that helps.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by ColaSteeler on Sep 8^th, 2002, 11:29am

Thanks for the views guys. To be honest I am expecting Dyson to have a decent year, as both he and Mason finished last year strong. I am hoping McNair will air it out a little, thus giving Dyson the opportunity to get 1000 yds and 6-7 TDs. I think Tenn is one team where Mason is Option 1 A, and Dyson 1 B as opposed to #2.

Thinking about Taylor, unless he puts together a string of good games, I don't see myself being able to start him ahead of anyone else, and if Thompson does well, I'll feel like an idiot if I let someone else pick him up next week......so, I think I will go ahead and make the change, and if he doesn't pan out, Chrebet or Bryant or Stallworth should be still available in a few weeks.

Thanks for the help guys.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by StegRock on Sep 9^th, 2002, 5:37am

on 09/08/02 at 11:29:44, ColaSteeler wrote:

I am hoping McNair will air it out a little, thus giving Dyson the opportunity to get 1000 yds and 6-7 TDs.  I think Tenn is one team where Mason is Option 1 A, and Dyson 1 B as opposed to #2.

Thanks for the help guys.

Cola,

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NO WAY, Dyson gets 1,000 yards without an injury to Mason! As for the TD's, they are hard to predict. I would say a window of 4 to 6 is more reasonable. Also, I don't know, man, Mason seems to me to be the #1 go-to guy and Dyson the #2. I am NOT saying you are doing this, Cola, but, as a general piece of advice to all, make sure you can still see beyond that kaliedoscope that replaces your microscope when you all of a sudden have a player on your roster. Just don't get your hopes up too high on Dyson. That's all!

And, you're welcome! ;D

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by piglet on Sep 9^th, 2002, 10:47am

I have been thinking of Thompson in my dynasty league. He looks like the classic high risk/reward player.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by ColaSteeler on Sep 9^th, 2002, 1:00pm

on 09/09/02 at 05:37:24, StegRock wrote:

Thanks for the view StegRock........you may be right about that......I've disliked Dyson in the past, and I really wanted to get Mason this year as a #2 WR on my team, but never got the chance to get him. My projections for Dyson were actually about 900 yds with 6 TDs, and this is from when I wanted to get Mason - I just knew Dyson would bite into Mason's numbers.... when I picked Dyson up, he was the best player available at the position.

You may be right about him though. I did end up getting Thompson for T. Taylor, and I'll hang on to him for a few weeks to see how he does.

From yesterday's games we saw Q. Morgan, Hakim, Bradford and Kennison do well. Do you think any of these are real sleepers (enough to replace Dyson), or would you still wait a couple of weeks and hope some of them do well again and would still be available?

thanks.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by PhantasyPhilly on Sep 9^th, 2002, 2:34pm

on 09/09/02 at 13:00:02, ColaSteeler wrote:

From yesterday's games we saw Q. Morgan, Hakim, Bradford and Kennison do well. Do you think any of these are real sleepers (enough to replace Dyson), or would you still wait a couple of weeks and hope some of them do well again and would still be available?

Of the group you mentioned, here are my thoughts...
:( Morgan - One game fluke
:-/ Az-Hakim - May be better later in the season when Harrington gets the nod at QB
;D Bradford - I think he may be for real. He is the #1 option on a team with a QB that will improve all season. We also saw that Carr (Chris Palmer) has a penchant for throwing deep. Gotta love that...
:'( Kennison - Too many hands in KC. Holmes will get the majority of the touches. Gonzo will be the featured receiver. Morton is ahead of Kennison on the "go to" list.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by StegRock on Sep 9^th, 2002, 10:18pm

on 09/09/02 at 14:34:41, PhantasyPhilly wrote:

Man, I am in a different ballpark here, I guess, as I would take every single ONE of them over Dyson. In order, Morgan, Kennison, Bradford, Hakim! My thoughts on Morgan, which differ quite a bit from Philly's here, can be seen on the following thread (I just don't feel like wasting bandwidth by putting the same explanation here):

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1031521484!

As for the rest...

Kennison is going to end up being their #1 wideout in KC. Morton has always been and will always be a #2. But, that having been said, Gonzo is really the #1 option, so Kennison, as the #1 WR, is like a 1b, kind of. However, he just seems to perform excellently under Vermeil.

Bradford is the Texans #1 go-to WR, for whatever it is worth. Is he a week-in-week-out starter? No! Is he worth a roster spot? Hell yes!

Hakim is okay. He is another Morton except he really does have to be the #1 guy, which he will not be able to do for too long, especially if/when Crowell gets back by mid-season.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by PhantasyPhilly on Sep 9^th, 2002, 11:06pm

on 09/09/02 at 22:18:42, StegRock wrote:

Hakim is okay. He is another Morton except he really does have to be the #1 guy, which he will not be able to do for too long, especially if/when Crowell gets back by mid-season.

At year-end, I wouldn't be surprised if Mikhael Ricks and Scotty Anderson both have better stats than Az-Zahir Hakim. I'm just not sold on him. (Yes, I know Anderson was 0-0-0 yesterday, but that is the exception rather than the norm.) [smiley=moon.gif]

And, StegRock, I don't believe Quincy Morgan has as much value as everyone will be giving him this week. He is not the number one receiver in Cleveland and if you don't believe me, check out the contract KJ2 just signed. You don't give $14 mill over 4 years to a guy you're thinking about dropping to #2. Never ignore the economics of the situation.
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Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by StegRock on Sep 10^th, 2002, 12:34am

on 09/09/02 at 23:06:52, PhantasyPhilly wrote:

And, StegRock, I don't believe Quincy Morgan has as much value as everyone will be giving him this week. He is not the number one receiver in Cleveland and if you don't believe me, check out the contract KJ2 just signed. You don't give $14 mill over 4 years to a guy you're thinking about dropping to #2. Never ignore the economics of the situation.
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Yea, I don't think economics can be totally ignored, but, word to the wise, PhillyPhantasy, watch out with predicating too many arguments on that kind of reasoning. REALITY/THE TRUTH has a way of winning out over economics in the end. Two great, very different I might add, examples of the inconsistency of this theory, particularly if unilaterally applied (not that this is what you are doing, but that is what you put forth here and I am not a mind-reader), Antonio Freeman and Wayne Chrebet. After Antonio got his big payday to be the Packers #1 go-to man for years to come, he started making way too many visits to his fat frig for way too many a midnight snack and ended up, at least heretofore, spiraling downward (He may pick it back up again in Philadephia, granted, but under a contract worth not too much more than the league minimum). As for Chrebet, if you think that the relatively fat contract he got indicates the Jets desire for him to be an eventual #1 go-to option (again), pulllleeeeze! He may end up being an over-paid #3 after too long. At any rate, for fantasy purposes Freeman in Green Bay, since the contract, was fantasy junk and Chrebet has only ever been and will only continue to be a fringe player. Both examples to the contrary of the premises you put forth for K. J. and, then only indirectly, against Morgan.

Title: Re: Thoughts on WRs
Post by PhantasyPhilly on Sep 10^th, 2002, 6:24am

on 09/10/02 at 00:34:33, StegRock wrote:

I couldn't agree with you more. But, the way I see it, KJ2 has developed a rapport with Couch (who was not playing Sunday). While the team brass may not be thrilled with Johnson's posturing during contract renogiations, Tim Couch still will make him the first option. And, believe it or not, Morgan's huge day only helps KJ2 by making DBs realize they can't just blanket KJ2 and be successful. KJ2 is still number one and anyone who immediately throws Morgan into the starting lineup will be sorely disappointed this season.

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The opinions expressed above are merely the thoughts of someone who is not qualified to possess such opinions. If he was, he wouldn't be playing fantasy football, but doing it for real. :P