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(Message started by: Philly on Nov 22nd, 2002, 9:51pm)
Title: EAGLES Week 12 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 22nd, 2002, 9:51pm
Unless you've been living under a stump in the middle of the woods in Manitoba, you know that the Birds must now trudge through the rest of the regular season without their fearless leader, Donovan McNabb.  Even worse, the Eagles face what is realistically their biggest challenge of the season in the San Francisco Forty-Niners.

The Eagles are coming off an emotional win against the Cardinals.  Emotional because they played well, but bittersweet in light of the event that occurred on the third play of the game.  The Eagles bring the #2 rushing attack in the league into the game and will need it.  They have the 4th ranked offense and 3rd ranked defense in the league.

The Niners, however, are coming off an overtime loss to the San Diego Chargers.  The Niners own the 9th best offense in the NFL and are an average 14th in total defense.

The numbers seem to favor the Eagles.  There are a few other intangibles at play here.  Under Andy Reid, the Eagles are 7-0 in Prime Time games, including a 3-0 record on MNF.  This is also a revenge game for the Eagles as they lost a 13-3 game last year when they squandered MANY scoring chances.

However, McNabb was involved in everything listed above, so throw it ALL out the window.  Look for the Eagles to attempt to control the time of possession by running the ball and using short passes to Staley and Lewis.  There aren't many Eagles players you'll want to start this week.  Consider Staley and Akers your best bets.


PREDICTIONS:
Detmer - 195 PaY, 20 RuY, 1 TD, 2 INT  {11}   [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]

Staley - 80 RuY, 50 ReY, 1 TD  {19}   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Levens - 30 RuY, 10 ReY  {4}   [smiley=nervous.gif]

Thrash - 30 ReY  {3}   [smiley=stoogemoe.gif]

Pinkston - 45 ReY  {4}   [smiley=stoogelarry.gif]

Freeman - 15 ReY  {1}   [smiley=stoogecurly.gif]

Lewis - 25 ReY  {2}   [smiley=stars.gif]

Akers - 1-1 XP, 3-3 FGs  {10}   [smiley=money.gif]

Defense - 20 PA, 320 YA, 2 Sacks, 1 FF   :-/

*{Fantasy points based on  standard performance league scoring.}



FINAL SCORE:

 Eagles  16
 Niners  20
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:01pm
[smiley=smileythumbsup.gif] Great job Philly!!

Being a Giants fan, the division race just got interesting. Its a shame that it only got exciting because your best player got hurt. The Giants are a wild card team at best...good luck to you guys Monday Night!

See, I can be nice to an Eagles fan...  [smiley=sneaky.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:20pm
[smiley=sunny.gif]

I don't have anything at all against Giants fans.  I just don't like the Giants because they are the #1 rival for the Eagles now.  Giants fans are not fair-weather fans.  They are passionate about their team (even though they are actually a New Jersey team).

I DO dislike Cowboys fans because they annoy me.  They're nothing but a bunch of frontrunners. [smiley=mywhippinboy.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:30pm
I totally agree. Cowboy fans are bandwagoneers. They are by far my least favorite team.

I have been a Giant fan for 30 years, through 2 moves (from New Haven CT to Houston TX to now here in Niner/Raider territory here in NorCal). Been married to a Bear fan (yuk) and now married to another rival, a Redskin fan. We spend our Sundays telling the kids that the other team stinks and our team is better. Nothing like confusing a 4 and a 2 and a half year old...  ;)

Hey, this is my 100th post. Do I get a cupie doll or something?  ???
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by FourTwoOh on Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:33pm
[smiley=stoogemoe.gif] Say it ain't so, Moe, say it ain't so! Now you get your ass in there and git me some points!

Good job! Philly, I really do see a better than average shot for this team to still keep it goin'. Stalet/Levens is formidable, Chad Lewis could emerge as an awkened te. Haven't really discussed him much as he appears to have been off Donavan's radar? Any idea what gives there? I like the theory in general, that the short safe stuff increases initially when a new qb enters the scene. Any reason not to think that way?
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by FourTwoOh on Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:35pm

on 11/22/02 at 22:30:01, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Hey, this is my 100th post. Do I get a cupie doll or something?  ???


[smiley=alcoholic.gif] [smiley=bonghit.gif]

[smiley=drummer.gif] [smiley=guitarist.gif]

We're gonna party like it's 1999 [smiley=afro.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:35pm
Grats on the hundreth post.

I've lived my whole life in South Jersey and been an Eagles fan since before I could remember.  My wife is only an Eagles fan because she likes that I am happy when they win.  Otherwise she isn't a football fan which is nice because she will just leave me alone on Sundays and find something else to do.   [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Walker_Boh on Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:43pm

on 11/22/02 at 22:01:17, BarnabyWilde wrote:
 Its a shame that it only got exciting because your best player got hurt.


[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Here's BW in week 8:

"God damn it Strahan! Get in there and break his fucking leg!"

(And we won't even mention the laps he did around the couch after learning that the ankle was broken...) [smiley=havinablast.gif]


[smiley=joker.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 22nd, 2002, 11:52pm
Not really Druid.  In fact, the only time I ever was happy to see a player leave the field was Joe Montana in the playoff game in 86 when Jim Burt knocked the shit out of him. Giants 49, 49ers 3. Yeah baby!
[smiley=takinyours.gif]
But now in my older wiser years, I hate to see a player gey hurt. [smiley=wiseguy.gif]



on 11/22/02 at 22:43:36, Walker_Boh wrote:
[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Here's BW in week 8:

"God damn it Strahan! Get in there and break his fucking leg!"

(And we won't even mention the laps he did around the couch after learning that the ankle was broken...) [smiley=havinablast.gif]


[smiley=joker.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by FourTwoOh on Nov 23rd, 2002, 2:20am

on 11/22/02 at 23:52:17, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Joe Montana in the playoff game in 86 when Jim Burt knocked the shit out of him. Giants 49, 49ers 3. Yeah baby!
[smiley=takinyours.gif]
But now in my older wiser years, I hate to see a player gey hurt. [smiley=wiseguy.gif]


similar story, but jump ahead a few years, you're at Arrowhead and Derrick Thomas has just taken down Steve Young in the endzone for a safety! Ended up with a framed 8 x 10 of it and the look of pain on Youngs face is awsome! {Just retelling this gets the juices flowin.}

Brutality within the rules is what has made the NFL what it is. I have no problem deriveing pleasure from anothers' pain when the particpants are paid well for excatly that risk. Ronnie Lott is one of, if not the best pure hitter I've ever witnesssed! Ain't even anybody close enough to him to deserve changing the IS to WAS.
Point was suppose'd to be he didn't give a rat ass about hurtin anyone. But he did it within the rules and with excellent techniuqe.

nostalgic rant over [smiley=chief.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Walker_Boh on Nov 23rd, 2002, 2:44am

on 11/22/02 at 23:52:17, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Not really Druid.  In fact, the only time I ever was happy to see a player leave the field was Joe Montana in the playoff game in 86 when Jim Burt knocked the shit out of him. Giants 49, 49ers 3. Yeah baby!
[smiley=takinyours.gif]
But now in my older wiser years, I hate to see a player gey hurt. [smiley=wiseguy.gif]


You're a better man then me... if Gannon went down, I'd put holes in the ceiling![smiley=havinablast.gif][smiley=dancin.gif]

Burn Gannon Burn!  [smiley=flamewar.gif][smiley=evil.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by FourTwoOh on Nov 23rd, 2002, 2:58am

on 11/23/02 at 02:44:38, Walker_Boh wrote:
You're a better man then me... if Gannon went down, I'd put holes in the ceiling![smiley=havinablast.gif][smiley=dancin.gif]

Burn Gannon Burn!  [smiley=flamewar.gif][smiley=evil.gif]


Have I told you I love you lately?  
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by StegRock on Nov 23rd, 2002, 9:41am

on 11/23/02 at 02:58:55, FourTwoOh wrote:
Have I told you I love you lately?


You mean... "Have I told you I love you 'long time'?" [smiley=gettinridden.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Oh, wait a minute! [smiley=gotanidea.gif] You meant "Have I told you lately I love you?"  Got "Oriental" on the brain! [smiley=hooters.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] Now, I get it! ;)
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by ugley on Nov 23rd, 2002, 4:33pm
Philly,  Could you give Thrash 100yds and 2 td.s this week.  I have to play the run and shoot(4 wr., 1 rb) and need him to produce.  Help help. [smiley=letsmakeup.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 23rd, 2002, 9:56pm
Wouldn't expect much from Thrash.  But you can never predict anything with the Eagles offense.  At least you knew you could count on McNabb to get you your points.  Now Staley is your surest bet.   Against a decent secondary like the Niners, I'd be very surprised (albeit pleasantly) if Thrash could get 100 and 2.
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 25th, 2002, 1:32pm
After analyzing things a bit more this weekend, I think that Pinkston may be more a factor and Thrash less of one.  Pinkston should have the better DB matchup, especially with the safeties crowding the LOS to stop the run.

(Also thought that maybe this thread should get a self-gratuitous bump in preparation for the game...)    [smiley=sneaky.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Razzak on Nov 25th, 2002, 2:02pm
As a 9ers fan...

Where in the hell do Giants and Cheifs fans get off talkin trash about the 9ers?  Go home, get a real franchise :)

Also, shouldn't this be week 12 MNF matchup?  Not week 13?
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Razzak on Nov 25th, 2002, 2:04pm

on 11/25/02 at 13:32:03, Philly wrote:
After analyzing things a bit more this weekend, I think that Pinkston may be more a factor and Thrash less of one.  Pinkston should have the better DB matchup, especially with the safeties crowding the LOS to stop the run.

(Also thought that maybe this thread should get a self-gratuitous bump in preparation for the game...)    [smiley=sneaky.gif]



Actually, Webster and Plummer are both pretty good.  It's Rumpf who's been just gettin abused lately.  If Koy can handle 3 WR sets, Freeman could be in for 50 yards and a TD or so.  I think Smith&Young are gonna shut down the run.
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 25th, 2002, 5:02pm

on 11/25/02 at 14:02:56, Razzak wrote:
Also, shouldn't this be week 12 MNF matchup?  Not week 13?



Fixed it... sorry for any confusion.  I'm used to it. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by FourTwoOh on Nov 25th, 2002, 5:05pm

on 11/25/02 at 14:02:56, Razzak wrote:
Go home, get a real franchise :)


Half a franchise is better than nothing, right?  :(

And, hey, if you can hold, pun intended, Chad Lewis in check as well as you did Gonzalez...

Seriously, though, I guess I didn't realise your San Fran connection. Belated props on your win against us, and MAJOR kudos for punkin the Raiders.
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 25th, 2002, 5:06pm

on 11/25/02 at 14:04:39, Razzak wrote:
Actually, Webster and Plummer are both pretty good.  It's Rumpf who's been just gettin abused lately.  If Koy can handle 3 WR sets, Freeman could be in for 50 yards and a TD or so.  I think Smith&Young are gonna shut down the run.


Some pretty good defenses haven't been able to shut down the Eagles run this year.  But that was also with McNabb in the backfield.  I think the Eagles will still get some decent yardage on the ground.  It's the passing game that has me worried most.

Plummer has been great, but Webster has been shaky the few times I've seen him.  I imagine Plummer will be covering Thrash and Webster will cover Pinkston.  Pinkston is tall and a good leaper, so he may have that advantage over Webster.  Freeman will catch a few, but the guy has lost a few steps and Rumph should be able to cover him up well.
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by Razzak on Nov 26th, 2002, 12:47am

on 11/25/02 at 17:05:47, FourTwoOh wrote:
Half a franchise is better than nothing, right?  :(



Just some good natured trash talkin :)  Had to get it in before tonights game :(  Good lord that was a fuggin asswhoopin.
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 13 MNF Analysis
Post by FourTwoOh on Nov 26th, 2002, 1:54am

on 11/26/02 at 00:47:46, Razzak wrote:
Just some good natured trash talkin :)  Had to get it in before tonights game :(  Good lord that was a fuggin asswhoopin.


I could tell. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  I love friendly trash talkin'!    
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 12 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 26th, 2002, 9:50am

on 11/22/02 at 21:51:54, Philly wrote:
PREDICTIONS:
Detmer - 195 PaY, 20 RuY, 1 TD, 2 INT  {11}  
Staley - 80 RuY, 50 ReY, 1 TD  {19}  
Levens - 30 RuY, 10 ReY  {4}  
Thrash - 30 ReY  {3}  
Pinkston - 45 ReY  {4}  
Freeman - 15 ReY  {1}
Lewis - 25 ReY  {2}
Akers - 1-1 XP, 3-3 FGs  {10}
Defense - 20 PA, 320 YA, 2 Sacks, 1 FF

ACTUAL:
Detmer - 227 PaY, 1 RuY, 3 TD, 0 INT  {27}   :o
Staley - 55 RuY, 12 ReY  {6}
Levens - 15 RuY, 2 ReY  {1}
Thrash - 45 ReY, 29 RuY  {6}
Pinkston - 94 ReY, 1 TD  {15}   :o
Freeman - 26 ReY, 1 TD  {8}
Lewis - 41 ReY, 1 TD  {10}   :o
Akers - 5-5 XP, 1-2 FG  {8}
Defense - 17 PA, 435 YA, 4 Sacks
*{Fantasy points based on standard performance league scoring.}


[smiley=soapbox.gif]
That's what happened.  Here's how it happened.  Right before Detmer went down with the injury, ABC showed a graphic illustrating where Detmer was throwing and how successful he was.  You may have noticed that about 60-70 percent of the throws were to the left.  In the West Coast offense, the QB's progression is from left to right, so Detmer was throwing to his first option almost all the time.  That's why he was sacked only once (first play of the game when he slipped).  Detmer was able to get rid of the ball quickly.

There was another big key in the game.  You may have heard Madden mention that the Eagles were picking on rookie DB Mike Rumph.  Madden then stated a few times that the Eagles should run a 3-wide set all the time to continue to isolate Rumph.  That's where Madden was wrong.   (Is that blasphemous to say?   [smiley=ohshit.gif])  The Eagles continued to show running formations throughout the game.  The Niners expected a heavy dose of Staley/Levens/Westbrook throughout the game and would slide the safeties up to the line of scrimmage.  The Eagles would then throw out of those formations, passing the ball over the drawn-in safeties.  That's why the reverse worked early in the game as well.  The safeties bought the inside fake and were left wide-open for the reverse.

The Eagles had a masterful game-plan last night.   [smiley=deal.gif]  Detmer showed he is a better West Coast QB than McNabb.  (More blaspheme?   [smiley=ohshit.gif])  And the Eagles receivers showed more battle toughness than the Niners DBs.   [smiley=biker.gif]

The Niners came into the game playing like they had already won the game.  They never recovered.
[smiley=graduate.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 12 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 26th, 2002, 9:56am
I wish all of those thoughts above were my own observations.  The only one I can claim is realizing that Pinkston could have some success against Jason Webster.   ::)

The others were mentioned by esteemed ESPN reporter Sal Paolantonio on my local sports-radio station this morning.   [smiley=bow.gif]

Sal Pal went on to say that he believes that the Eagles win last night was their MOST IMPORTANT regular season win in recent memory.
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 12 MNF Analysis
Post by Philly on Nov 26th, 2002, 10:04am
:RANT ON:
One more thing... did anyone else think the pass interference call on Vincent (when he intercepted the pass) was bogus?   [smiley=frustrated.gif]

I know it is irrelevant, but it just annoys me.  The defensive player has just as much right to catch the ball as the receiver.  Vincent was playing the ball the whole time and Streets actually ran into him.   [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]

My frustration goes well-beyond that one call.  It's not directed at the officials.  I just think there is an anti-defense edict coming from the league offices.  They are trying to make all of the defensive players passive and I've had enough of it!    [smiley=fumin.gif]
:RANT OFF:
Title: Re: EAGLES Week 12 MNF Analysis
Post by Walker_Boh on Nov 26th, 2002, 1:49pm

on 11/26/02 at 10:04:34, Philly wrote:
did anyone else think the pass interference call on Vincent (when he intercepted the pass) was bogus?   [smiley=frustrated.gif]

No doubt about it. That was a terrible call. [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]


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