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(Message started by: BarnabyWilde on Jan 8^th, 2003, 1:47am)

Title: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jan 8^th, 2003, 1:47am

Here are my early 2003 QB rankings. Let's see yours!!

1. McNabb
2. Vick (Atlanta will get him some targets)
3. Manning
4. Favre
5. Gannon (hope the cap doesn't hurt his productivity)
6. Brooks
7. Brady
8. Brad Johnson (the next Gannon)
9. Culpepper (will rebound)
10.Pennington (up and coming star)

Followed by McNair, Green, Collins, Bledsoe and whoever starts in St. Louis.

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Philly on Jan 8^th, 2003, 6:44am

1. Vick
2. McNabb
3. Culpepper
4. Manning
5. Favre
6. Pennington
7. Gannon
8. Brooks
9. Garcia
10. Collins
11. McNair
12. BJohnson
13. TGreen
14. Bulger/Warner
15. Ramsey
the best of the rest in no particular order... Fiedler, Hasselbeck, Brady, Harrington, Brees, Maddox, Couch

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by ugley on Jan 8^th, 2003, 2:21pm

on 01/08/03 at 01:47:52, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Hope you are correct on these. If so I will wait to rd. 8-9 to snag a qb.

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jan 8^th, 2003, 3:20pm

1)McNabb
2)Farve
3)Vick
4)Brooks
5)Culpepper
6)Bledsoe
7)Manning
8)Garcia
9)Green
10)Pennington

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by ScreamingWeasel on Jan 15^th, 2003, 5:45pm

The DEFINITIVE list ;D:
#1 Favre - NEVER underestimate Brett Favre. Ever.
#2 Pennington - ALL the tools and great WRs
#3 Gannon - In the perfect system
#4 Garcia - T.O.
#5 McNabb - Gonna get popped HARD one of these days
#6 Vick - (See above)
#7 McNair - GUTS, and the return of all WRs
#8 B Johnson - Chuckie loves QBs
#9 Manning - The audibles are OUT of control
#10 Culpepper - Moss, when he wants to play

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Razzak on Jan 18^th, 2003, 8:17pm

I'm going out on a limb, but if Palmer ends up with the Bears with a real OC (Coughlin?), he finishes in top half of all QB's (14-16).

Not much, but in really deep leagues he could be a nice backup/sleeper. I think he's much more talented than Carr/Harrington, and the Bears have much more talented WR's and really no secondary anymore. Should be throwing a lot.

If he goes to cincinnatti, who knows.

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Bootlegger on Jan 19^th, 2003, 9:15am

Very interesting ratings there, but I'm a little confused as to whay Brady only made one list here. Check his stats, not so bad at all, just a thought

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Razzak on Jan 24^th, 2003, 4:12pm

Favre
Garcia
Manning
Bulger (If he's starting.. if it's Warner, drop him to #13 or so)
Vick
McNabb
McNair
BJohnson
Gannon (If he's there)
Brooks
Maddox
Brady
Culpepper (He's got zero talent around him. Moss is happy just gettin his paycheck)
Pennington
TGreen
Ramsey
Collins

Vick and McNabb are too injury prone (given how much they run) to be a #1 or #2. I really can't draft a guy who gets injured twice a year when he plays TB at the #1 QB spot.

Garcia should be back with a less conservative coach. Favre is guaranteed to have a top 7 year, so that's why he gets #1.

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by StegRock on Jan 28^th, 2003, 12:17am

SW, Razz, Favre #1! NO WAY! Why? How? There is no way he ends up being the #1 quarterback or even the #1 quarterback to draft for a fantasy league. Ranking him #1 would have been like ranking Dan Marino #1 in '96 when he was clearly past his prime. To me, for you to rank a guy #1, you should believe he will in fact be the #1 guy statistically and, thus, the #1 guy to draft, not just be the safest guy to hedge your bets on at this point in the offseason. Otherwise, the ranking is not substantive. Bottom line is come June, July, August, whatever, hell, even right now, there will not be one league, at least not a high-quality league, in which Favre will be the #1 QB drafted. I mean, are you guys saying that, if the situation were right, you, yourselves, would take him as the #1 QB in an actual FF draft you are in? If so, okay, WOW! However, if not, then are you just saying that he is the safest pick for now? [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] If so, then I am saying that that is a ranking lacking substance. For me, the rankings, to have substance, have to represent actuality. I am not saying you can't change your rankings as time goes by, BUT don't just give your "January" rankings knowing that you are going to change them come crunch time in July-ish. Between now and then, something "actual" must occur for you to change your rankings substantively, not merely time and the imminency that goes therewith. Try to look in them there crystal balls and tell us what's going to happen when it counts, not what is safe for now, which "really" doesn't even matter.

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Razzak on Jan 28^th, 2003, 9:15pm

He's the better pick. Vick and McNabb have serious question marks as I stated earlier. McNabb's replacements doing well is eerily reminiscent of Green/Bulger in STL.

I'm too lazy to list all the reasons he deserves to be #1, but you have exactly *1* reason he shouldn't be. He's "old".

Hmmm, Bledsoe and Gannon finished #1 and #2 for QB's. Boy, I really should avoid those old guys huh. Christ, Favre puts up top 10 numbers on a team whose star receivers are Donald Driver and Theresa Glenn (Both first year starting w/GB), and has Ahman Green gimping for most of the year, and he's washed up?

[quote author=StegRock] Try to look in them there crystal balls and tell us what's going to happen when it counts, not what is safe for now, which "really" doesn't even matter.[/quote]

See, I don't just pull crap outta my "crystal balls". If you want to spin the roulette wheel and get first pick of the potentials go ahead. If you want to make the best decision that's most likely to get you to your championship game, take the safest with the biggest potential. If David Boston ends up on the Falcons I think he could post top 4 WR numbers. Does that mean I draft him in the top 4? No, guys like Joe Horn are safer and a better pick. Heck, Barlow could be the #1 back in the league if Hearst gets hurt, but that doesn't mean I take him #1.

And Steg, I don't see your list. Why not put something out? You're saying if my list isn't completely accurate I shouldn't have put it out, but hey, it's a QB ranking list in January, I haven't gone through and predicted the WR FA placements and predicted the FA O-line signings and then predicted the o-line strength for each team for September. I guess then you're right, my rankings are lacking substance.

As it is, everyone here has Favre in their top 4. So how is Favre a "no-way" number one pick? I mean, you basically said you don't think Favre will finish #1 overall. I'm saying he's an investment that has the lowest risk and high returns, making him the most attractive qb in the draft. Thus, he's #1. Will he finish #1? Probably not. Will Vick? Probably not. Will McNabb? Probably not.

Since age isn't an issue (Gannon is 4 years older than Favre) I don't see why we shouldn't pick Favre?

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Philly on Jan 28^th, 2003, 10:00pm

on 01/28/03 at 21:15:33, Razzak wrote:

As it is, everyone here has Favre in their top 4. So how is Favre a "no-way" number one pick? I mean, you basically said you don't think Favre will finish #1 overall. I'm saying he's an investment that has the lowest risk and high returns, making him the most attractive qb in the draft. Thus, he's #1. Will he finish #1? Probably not. Will Vick? Probably not. Will McNabb? Probably not.

Actually, I had him ranked #5 in my list above and questioned whether he should actually be ahead of Pennington and Gannon, who have far better receivers to work with. And I do believe that McNabb or Vick will finish #1, and that is with a very weak receiving corps. McNabb and Vick will each get 6-10 rushing TDs on top of at least 25 passing TDs. And think about all those rushing yards. In most scoring formats, those add up quicker than passing yards.

If I was picking the first QB, it definitely would not be Favre. That's not to say I would not be comfortable with him as my starting fantasy QB week-to-week.

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by StegRock on Jan 29^th, 2003, 12:04am

on 01/28/03 at 22:00:46, Philly wrote:

Philly, Jesus here we go again! After awhile, dudes are going to start thinking that that thumb up there is mine wedged up your ass.

Annnnnyway, that's another thread (with beads on it). Oh, Jesus, I'm burying myself here. Oh, no, I did it again. Oh, Jeez, I can't dig myself out of this hole. Oh, no, I'm up to my elbows here. Shit! [smiley=doh.gif] ... [smiley=silence.gif]

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Razz, he couldn't have stated my case any better. Yardage-wise, Favre was #12; as for passing touchdowns, though, he was in a three way tie for 2nd, or 4th, however you interpret it. But, it's that rushing that makes ALL the difference, especially since it is typically rewarded higher under most scoring systems, as Philly suggests. I mean, just to name the best of the best, Culpepper 609 yards and 10 touchdowns; Vick - 776 and 8; McNabb - 460 and 6 and he missed all those games; McNair - 440 and 3; Garcia - 353 and 3. That is not to mention quite a few others with 150+ yards and 2 or more TD's. Whereas, Favre's rushing stats, 73 yards and 0 TD's. I see Favre somewhere in the middle of that second tier of quarterbacks that includes Brady, who is MUCH younger, though, my boy B. J., who is going to continue to thrive and, more importantly, improve in Gruden's system and under his tutelage, though, Bledsoe, who is also younger and has much better tools, though, Pennington, who has tremendous upswing based on his youth and a better set of tools, though, Green and Bulger/Warner, who are in stats-friendly systems, though, etc., etc.

Regarding the Gannon comparison, with him it is a system and personnel thing. Even you made mention of Favre's lackluster personnel.

As for a list, regardless of the subject hereof, I am not going to sort through the "second- and third-tier" guys, not this early. Here's what I'll do. I'll do a "Top-10" overall and from it you will be able to deduce my "Top-6" quarterbacks in order:

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Ricky Williams
3. Deuce McCallister
4. Priest Holmes (upgrade, possibly to #1, subject to improved health)
5. Daunte Culpepper (cyclical theory... he'll bounce back... hell, wasn't that bad this year)
6. Rich Gannon
7. Michael Vick (only going to get better... A LOT better)
8. Jeff Garcia (cyclical theory... he'll bounce back)
9. Donovan McNabb (still lacks tools; rushing makes up for it, though)
10. Randy Moss (see Culpepper... token receiver; I could also see this being RB's Portis, Barber, Faulk, Green or Lewis or RC's Harrison or Owens or QB Manning)

(Edited merely to add one name to the #10 parenthetical.)

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by Razzak on Jan 29^th, 2003, 8:36pm

Well, I guess we'll see. I had Ricky as my #3 overall last year and took loads of crap for it, and had Priest at #6 when everyone said he was a one year wonder.

My track record with QB's is not very good though, so I could be wrong with Favre. I just hope he falls to me around #18 overall so I can get a steal. My league drafts qb's early so I always end up taking RB's with my first three picks, but I think I'd make an exception if Favre/Garcia fell that far.

As for that list, I think you're greatly overvaluing QB's. If you take those QB's over Faulk yer gonna regret it. If Bulger is quarterbacking the Rams and Faulk is healthy, Faulk is a top three pick, depending on Holmes' health could be a top two.

Title: Re: Early QB Rankings for 2003
Post by StegRock on Jan 31^st, 2003, 1:08pm

Well, along those lines of my thinking like Rick Kamla of Fanball.com that I mentioned elsewhere on the forum, here are his January QB rankings:

1. Daunte Culpepper, Vikings: Despite getting benched and leading the league in turnovers, Daunte led all quarterbacks in fantasy points (50-50 scoring). He should only get better in 2003.

2. Michael Vick, Falcons: If Vick made the Pro Bowl with quarterbacks coach Jack Burns, who was just fired, how sick is he going to be in year three? If you take his 16 TD passes and eight rushing scores from 2002 (with passes counting for three and runs netting six), you get the equivalent of 32 TD passes -- and he had one so-so receiver.

3. Donovan McNabb, Eagles: Always remember and never forget, before there was Rich Gannon winning the MVP award, there was The Don. Through 10 games, there wasn't a more dominant offensive player than McNabb.

4. Peyton Manning, Colts: Mike Vanderjagt can say what he wants about Manning, but he is the only player in league history to top 4,000 passing yards four straight years.

5. Jeff Garcia, 49ers: Throw out 2002. Just rip it out of the record book, crumple it up, and throw it out. That was not Jeff Garcia. The league is not catching up with Jeff Garcia. He needs a No. 2 receiver and a coach willing to open up the offense. Don't know about the receiver (although, Tai Streets is an improvement over J.J. Stiff), but it would be hard for Frisco's new coach to be more conservative than Mooch.

6. Brett Favre, Packers: Despite a trio of new wideouts and a nearly season-ending knee wrench, Favre was Favre, throwing for 3,658 yards and 27 touchdowns.

7. Rich Gannon, Raiders: Can you say: Career year? Dan Marino will not be losing sleep in 2003.

8. Aaron Brooks, Saints: Brooks, who set the Saints record with 27 TD passes in 2002, would be higher on this list if he could finish a season.

9. Drew Bledsoe, Bills: If you're like me, you want a busy quarterback. Bledsoe threw 610 passes in 2002 -- only eight less than Gannon, who threw on every down.

10. Chad Pennington, Jets: I'm into Pennington, I really am, but I need to see him do it again, when defenses have a book on him, to rank him ahead of the aforesaid QBs.

[smiley=hmmmm.gif] Hmmmm... The first 5, and 6 out of 7... eerily similar to someone's else's on here! ;D ;)

Here is a link to this whole player-rankings article:
http://www.fanball.com/article.cfm/ID.1181.