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(Message started by: Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Feb 27th, 2003, 5:25pm)

Title: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Feb 27th, 2003, 5:25pm
To no surprise the Buc's cut C Jeff Christy in order to get under the Salary Cap when Christy denied a restructrue in his contract. This move puts a huge need for a C to replace the Pro Bowler Christy. Names that have come up are Jeff Saturday of the Colts, Tim Ruddy of the Dolphins, and Andy McCollum of the Rams. Ruddy is also most likely to be cut by the Dolphins.

Now that we all know that Emmit Smith has been cut, reports out of Tampa are that they are interested in him. More word of this when it gets out. Speaking of RunningBacks being cut recently cut RB Stephen Davis has expressed interest in meeting with the Bucs, who are believed to have a strong desire to sign him.

Barnes, Derrick Brooks agent on Wednesday was able to restructure his 2003 contract.

In a move designed to get their payroll below the NFL's projected salary cap limit of $75.007 million, the Bucs turned Brooks' $4.75 million salary for 2003 into a signing bonus.

The Bucs also have discussed the possibility of restructuring the contracts of several other players, including quarterback Brad Johnson, wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, safety John Lynch and defensive end Simeon Rice.

In addition to LB Shelton Quarles and RT Roman Oben, starting linebacker Al Singleton, starting free safety Dexter Jackson, punter Tom Tupa, backup tight end Rickey Dudley, backup left tackle Lomas Brown, and backup quarterbacks Rob Johnson and Shaun King are unrestricted free agents.

Title: Re: Tampa Bay Free Agent News
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 3rd, 2003, 4:14pm
Nothing really going on with Tampa Bay. As predicted C Jeff Christy was released.

This is a bit of a news regarding the Linebacker situation in Tampa Bay from Buccaneers.com

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers finished their 2002 championship season with six linebackers on the active roster. One of those defenders, rookie Justin Smith, did not play a down during the regular season and another, Jack Golden, appeared exclusively on special teams. Of the three starters, two – Shelton Quarles and Alshermond Singleton – became unrestricted free agents last Friday.

Thus, even though that unit features the NFL Defensive Player of the Year (Derrick Brooks) and has been an undeniable strength in Tampa for the better part of a decade, it is a position that must be addressed this offseason, one way or another.

Will the Bucs re-sign their own players? Look for outside help? Shore up the position in the draft? All of the above? We may not have the answers to those questions for weeks or months. On the other hand, there is one 'addition' to the Bucs' linebacking corps that is a certainty to happen, due some time in early May.

That player is former UCLA standout Ryan Nece.

Title: Re: Tampa Bay Free Agent News
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 6th, 2003, 3:45pm
Looks like we got a lineman to help us. We signed G Jason Whittle of the Giants to a 5 year deal.

The Tampa Tribune reports that Buccaneers have agreed to terms with free agent offensive lineman Jason Whittle on a five-year, $8.2-million contract. The deal includes a $1.8 million signing bonus. Whittle, who started 15 games for the Giants last year, is expected to be the Bucs' starting guard this season.

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The Buccaneers released centers Jeff Christy and Todd Washington and were looking for more size at the position. Whittle stands 6-4, 308 and should give them the girth they were seeking.

Title: Early Tampa Bay Free Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 7th, 2003, 7:30pm
Well, I don't know if Rice was a free-agent (hint:  maybe wanna' change the thread title, KJ 76, to something broader like the title of this post), but the Bucs just got him back into the fold for big bucks and the long-haul.  No local corroboration yet, but here is the ESPN report:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1519986.html.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 12th, 2003, 4:01pm
Via Buccaneers.com via Gridiron Newstand

The early days of free agency have made the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' 2003 offseason priority abundantly clear: improve the offensive line.

On Monday, the Bucs announced that former starting Jacksonville Jaguars center John Wade has agreed to a contract to play in Tampa. Terms of the deal and its length were not disclosed.

Wade is the second starting-caliber offensive lineman added by Tampa Bay as an unrestricted free agent in the first 11 days of the open-market period. Last Friday, the Bucs began their offseason shopping with former New York Giants guard Jason Whittle.

"John gives us another offensive lineman with versatility,"; said General Manager Rich McKay. "He is a physical presence in the middle of the line, which was an offseason focus of ours.";

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 16th, 2003, 2:05pm
http://www.buccaneers.com/newsroom/newspage.asp?newsid=2927&backpage=

Bucs sign QB Shane Matthews to a 1 year deal... great backup QB.  Just hope not to see him starting any games...

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 18th, 2003, 1:39pm
Just jammin' on some reportin'.  Looks like Tampa might be working with 3 backup quarterbacks this offseason as they are working to re-sign King and it looks like Jim Miller is on the brink of signing.  They also note that they are looking to restructure the contract of Keyshawn Johnson, but it is also being reported that contact has been made between Key and his old team the Jets.  A little bait and switch... restructure and deal?  I have been saying for awhile that Gruden and Key do not get along and that there is a chance that Key could be gone soon.  Anyway, here is all the latest from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/18/Bucs/King_seeks_deal_Bucs_.shtml;

http://www.nypost.com/sports/jets/32407.htm.

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 19th, 2003, 1:12pm
Well, as per "the Gridiron Newsstand", Keyshawn signed a restructured deal to help free some cap space for the team:

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/19/Bucs/Keyshawn_rescues_Bucs.shtml.

Now, with Coles all but gone from New York, will they consider dealing him? [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 19th, 2003, 10:40pm

on 03/19/03 at 13:12:35, StegRock wrote:
Well, as per "the Gridiron Newsstand", Keyshawn signed a restructured deal to help free some cap space for the team:

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/19/Bucs/Keyshawn_rescues_Bucs.shtml.

Now, with Coles all but gone from New York, will they consider dealing him? [smiley=hmmmm.gif]


With my internet connect being down the past few days... couldn't break the news...

Tampa has shown no interest in dealing KJ, and unless Key demands to be traded from Tampa, it won't happen. Personally, if Key does want out, he s a fucking moron...

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 27th, 2003, 3:13pm
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/27/Bucs/Bucs_make_move.shtml

Backup CB Dwight Smith of Superbowl fame, who "upstaged" Superbowl MVP FS Dexter Jackson, returning two INTs both for TDs, will make the transition from CB and will be the starting FS.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 29th, 2003, 1:02pm
Well, it looks like QB Jim Miller is on his way to the Bucs.  Here is how it reads over at "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/29/Bucs/Tampa_Bay_to_sign_QB_.shtml;

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGA36I31VDD.html.

Is Jon Gruden trying to prove that he can mentor a different breed of quarterback... the immobile kind?  I mean Miller and Brad Johnson are definitely cut from a similar mold.

By the way, KJ 76, I hope you don't mind my giving this thread a little more character by way of the message icon of the initial post! [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 29th, 2003, 2:25pm
Not at all.

Kinda funny that two former Chicago QBs Jim Miller and Shane Matthews were both signed.  As you mentioned Steg, neither/or are known for their mobility.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 30th, 2003, 8:17pm
Maybe Shaun King can get a fresh start somewhere else. Anybody have any ideas where he would fit?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 30th, 2003, 8:38pm

on 03/30/03 at 20:17:21, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Maybe Shaun King can get a fresh start somewhere else. Anybody have any ideas where he would fit?


Win-loss record aside... I personally don't think he fits... in the NFL, that is!  His arm is just TOO weak, and remember he kind of surprised everybody that one and only season.  After that, defenses would have easily figured out how to defend against his puny arm.  A second year would have been a travesty.  I say he stops (pushing the envelope on being a starting QB) while he's still ahead, i.e. while people still think he is kind of good.  That's my take!

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 31st, 2003, 3:12pm
Via the new and very-much improved Gridiron Newstand

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAEPC8SYDD.html

Thanks to Keyshawn's restructuring of his contract, the Bucs were able to re-sign T Roman Oben who played incredibly well during the latter half of the season

Also, the Bucs are looking to sign LB Dwayne Rudd. I personally will LOVE this move if it happens. Rudd is a very underrated LB. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Philly on Mar 31st, 2003, 10:26pm

on 03/31/03 at 15:12:25, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Also, the Bucs are looking to sign LB Dwayne Rudd. I personally will LOVE this move if it happens. Rudd is a very underrated LB. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


I would love to see this signing... the Bucs need a good helmet-tossing game-losing LB.

[smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 1st, 2003, 11:01am

on 03/31/03 at 22:26:11, Philly wrote:
I would love to see this signing... the Bucs need a good helmet-tossing game-losing LB.

[smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


As the Chiefs slim playff hopes remained alive, there was plenty of talk of naming Rudd team MVP.  [smiley=shiteatingrin.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 1st, 2003, 3:56pm

on 03/31/03 at 22:26:11, Philly wrote:
I would love to see this signing... the Bucs need a good helmet-tossing game-losing LB.

[smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


Bah.
[smiley=flipa.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 4th, 2003, 6:42pm
Well, besides Rudd, it looks like the Bucs are interested in signing another Miller, Rudd's old teammate, LB Jamir Miller.  Here is the report HOT off "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAULOTA2ED.html.

Any thoughts?

Also, first seen on "The REAL Feed" and then corroborated by way of the further links provided on "the Gridiron Newsstand", QB Shaun King is staying put to compete to be B. J.'s immediate backup:

http://www.buccaneers.com/newsroom/newspage.asp?newsid=2962&backpage=.

With the aforealluded Jim Miller in the fold as well as Shane Matthews, what do you think the chances really are that Shaun King survives, remains with the team in any capacity or even successfully wins the backup job?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 4th, 2003, 10:53pm
Miller is to old. Matthews isn't any better then King. King is going to have a great shot at the #2 spot.

As for Jamir Miller. Hey, I don't mind him over Rudd. Jamir is another excellent LB. This one doesn't throw helmets either.  ;D

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 5th, 2003, 11:04am
Mon. Sept. 8 at Philadelphia 9:00 p.m. ABC*
Sun. Sept. 14 CAROLINA 4:05 p.m. FOX
Sun. Sept. 21 at Atlanta 1:00 p.m. FOX
Sun. Sept. 28 -- Bye Week --
Mon. Oct. 6 INDIANAPOLIS 9:00 p.m. ABC*
Sun. Oct. 12 at Washington 1:00 p.m. FOX
Sun. Oct. 19 at San Francisco 4:15 p.m. FOX*
Sun. Oct. 26 DALLAS 1:00 p.m. FOX
Sun. Nov. 2 NEW ORLEANS 1:00 p.m. FOX
Sun. Nov. 9 at Carolina 1:00 p.m. FOX
Sun. Nov. 16 GREEN BAY 4:15 p.m. FOX*
Mon. Nov. 24 N.Y. GIANTS 9:00 p.m. ABC*
Sun. Nov. 30 at Jacksonville 8:30 p.m. ESPN*
Sun. Dec. 7 at New Orleans 1:00 p.m. FOX
Sun. Dec. 14 HOUSTON 1:00 p.m. CBS
Sat. Dec. 20 ATLANTA 1:30 p.m. FOX*
Sun. Dec. 28 at Tennessee 1:00 p.m. FOX

I love Tampa Bay in their new divison [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Should win games: Carolina(2x), Houston, Jacksoniville, N.Y Giants, Tennessee,  Dallas,  Washington, and Indianopolis.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 5th, 2003, 12:36pm

on 04/04/03 at 22:53:21, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Miller is too old. ;D


Ya' mean too old, like Brad Johnson? [smiley=alcoholic.gif] Miller is 32, for goodness sake! [smiley=alcoholic.gif] Rich Gannon, now that's too old! [smiley=alcoholic.gif] (stumbling into walls) ???

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Philly on Apr 5th, 2003, 3:06pm
What's the deal with the schedule makers?  Three good teams (Eagles, Dolphins, Bucs) I've seen so far have their bye weeks after their 2nd or 3rd games.  That sucks!

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 5th, 2003, 5:25pm
Yeah, I know Philly, I don't understand that either.

Steg, come on now, Brad Johnson has got more skills then Jim Miller. :P  I just meant that Shaun King has the potential to be great while Jim Miller... will still be.. well, Jim Miller.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 5th, 2003, 5:31pm
I don't differ with you here...


on 04/05/03 at 17:25:19, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Jim Miller... will still be.. well, Jim Miller.


It is here that I DO... BIG-TIME...


Quote:
I just meant that Shaun King has the potential to be great...


[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7th, 2003, 10:19pm
Looks like the bucs land Rudd. I like the signing for Tampa, all helmet throwing kidding aside. Now, where does Jamir Miller end up?

http://tbonewswire.tbo.com/newswire/index.html?wire=122&story=4878

TAMPA - The Bucs have filled their void at strongside linebacker with the signing of ex-Brown Dwayne Rudd today, The Tampa Tribune has learned. Rudd, who is expected to replace the departed Al Singleton, also visited Green Bay and Detroit, but decided Tampa Bay would be the best fit for him.
-- Tampa Tribune

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 7th, 2003, 10:26pm

on 04/07/03 at 22:19:04, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Looks like the bucs land Rudd. I like the signing for Tampa, all helmet throwing kidding aside. Now, where does Jamir Miller end up?


I agree, this is a good signing for the Bucs.

I think Miller will end up in Arizona.  I wish the Eagles would pursue him, but they won't.


Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 8th, 2003, 7:18pm
The Cincy Post jumps in on the rumor bandwagon.  I love the rumors around draft.  This one seems really far fetched:


Bucs apparently trying to trade Sapp to the Bengals for the #1 pick.  At first, this seems ludicrous.  But then you look a closer at why they are doing this.  Sapp is 30 and costs over $6 million in the final year of his contract.  Some say he is losing a step.  They also have Anthony McFarlane.   He is in his final year.   And finally, the Bucs have very little room under the cap.


Will this happen?  Hell no.  

here is the link from the GridIron Newsstand:

http://www.cincypost.com/2003/04/08/beng04-08-2003.html

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 8th, 2003, 7:32pm
Yes, so far I love all the signings the Buc's have made this off-sesaon. Rudd a major improvement over Singleton, imo.

Dirk, great news there. I personally would love to see this trade done. Sapp has got his ring, and he's reaching that age where things weren't as easy to do before. Sapp will always be one of my favorite players, but in the long run, this trade will pay-off.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 10th, 2003, 4:22pm
Bucs offer former Tampa Bay WR Jacquez Green contract.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/04/10/Bucs/Bucs_offer_Green_chan.shtml

I don't care if he does or doesn't sign.  [smiley=shrug.gif]


Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Philly on Apr 10th, 2003, 4:39pm
What happened with Jacquez Green?  He was studly in college and had lots of potential - not only as a WR, but also a return specialist - once he came in the NFL.  He couldn't produce in Washington under his former coach... then didn't he also fail in Detroit with very little in the way of talented competition ahead of him?

The year he was drafted I remember hoping that the Eagles would take him.  I guess they actually made a good decision by passing him up.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 12th, 2003, 1:44pm
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/04/11/Bucs/Green_returns_to_Bucs.shtml

Well the deal is done. Hopefully he can give us a boost at the Kick Returning position, and hopefully can give us the speed at WR.  ::)

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 18th, 2003, 11:13pm
Fresh off the Real Feed, the Bucs Draft Preview...


http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN2550236.htm

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 19th, 2003, 7:45pm
Talk about quick post count boosts.  [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 19th, 2003, 8:12pm

on 04/19/03 at 19:45:27, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
Talk about quick post count boosts.  [smiley=laugh.gif]


Awwww...  You're just pissed that he thought of it before you! ;D ;)

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 1:13am
Don't you think the language regarding QB Chris Simms currently topping "The REAL Feed" is a little, well, strong? ...

"Bucs Get QB of the Future in NFL Draft"

[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif], limitations, don't you think?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 27th, 2003, 1:39am
As I posted in the Draft commentary thread... I am so happy the Bucs made this pick. As I honestly feel Chris Sims will be a great QB one day.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 27th, 2003, 8:06am
I am confused.  What are the Bucs gonna do with all these QBs?  Last I counted they have 5 QBs on the roster.  What the hell are they thinking?  I thought it was bad when they had 4 on the roster.   Why did they sign all these people?

Brad Johnson
Shane Matthews
Jim Miller
Shaun King
Chris simms

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 11:15am
Answer:


on 04/27/03 at 08:06:37, DirkDiggler wrote:
Brad Johnson [smiley=bow.gif] - Welcome!  Feel free to stay awhile!

Shane Matthews
or [smiley=wave.gif] - Buh-bye (probably to Matthews if Miller can stay healthy)!
Jim Miller

Shaun King [smiley=wave.gif] - Buh-bye!

Chris Simms - [smiley=bow.gif] Welcome!  Feel free to stay awhile!

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 27th, 2003, 8:33pm
Miller and King are signed only to 1 year deals...

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 30th, 2003, 7:45am
http://www.buccaneers.com/newsroom/newspage.asp?newsid=3016

There's the solution to the QB situation...

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 1st, 2003, 3:23pm
Straight off the GridIron Real Feed:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN2621499.htm

Michael Pittman going to be facing felony charges for raming his wives car.  This dude just doesn't get it.  He is already on probabation for abusing his wife the first time.  

Will he be suspeneded?  Probably.  But first he will probably have to do a little jail time.  

I guess this raises the value of Travis Stephens?  (is he even healthy yet?)  

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2003, 3:55pm
GREAT post, Double D!  That is HUGE news and here is further corroboration from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAWS6Q3FGD.html.

The question I have is...  Whose value goes up the most, Mike Alstott's, Travis Stephens's (as you say, DD) or Aaron Stecker's? [smiley=hmmmm.gif] Any thoughts?

...

Now, I also found this diamond in the rough regarding their quarterbacks, in particular Jim Miller, on "the Gridiron Newsstand", as well:

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/05/25/Bucs/Rapid_recovery_encour.shtml.

His quickish recovery from that shoulder surgery I am sure had A LOT to do with their releasing Matthews!  I really believe that Gruden sees A LOT of Brad Johnson in Jim Miller and, moreover, likes what he sees.  I think he is enjoying his "experiment of sorts" of molding a "less" mobile quarterback.  He's already seen what he can do with a mobile one.  Been there done that kind of thing going on!  That's my take, at least! [smiley=threed.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Razzak on Jun 1st, 2003, 4:07pm
I heard Matthews is working out for the Bengals and will sign with them.  Palmer will be the #2 on the depth chart, but should Kitna get a season ending injury they would start Matthews rather than ruin Palmer.

Palmer should not be drafted in redraft leagues this year under any circumstances. He really WILL NOT play full games.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2003, 4:16pm
Uhhhh, R-a-a-h-h-z-z! ...


on 05/31/03 at 14:14:18, DirkDiggler wrote:
Bengals have signed Shane Matthews.  They got the veteran back up they were looking for.


Now, you wouldn't think we Gridironers wouldn't already have known about that now really, would ya'? [smiley=drip.gif] [smiley=tonguin.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 1st, 2003, 4:50pm
Pittman if "suspended" and if he goes to jail, which is doubtfu(unless your name is Rae Carruth) look for the Depth chart to look something like this

1)Alstott (Will split time with Stecker)
2)Stecker (Won't get enough touches before Pittman gets back to warrant a drafting position)
3)Stephens (Won't get any significant time)
4)Cook  (Mainly the blocker)

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 1st, 2003, 6:35pm
KJ i disagree my friend. I think this spells the end for PIttman in TB. NO doubt the league/Gruden/POlice will take some action. He was in Gruden's dog house for a while last year, but had nothing better to do anything about it. I think TB will go to Alstott more short term, use Stephens more or could even trade for a RB from WASH- Betts comes to mind. Or maybe even another team- Oak, BUFF, Jets- Jordan who knows. Hell maybe even Hearst or Robert Edwards. I don't know if all those guys fit the scheme, but they have all there picks next year(i think) and could give up a 4th rounder without hiccup. Just a thought.
PITTMAN is an IDIOT!!

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2003, 7:21pm
God, I hate to tout you like this, D-Phan, as you know how I really feel about you >:( ;) , but I have to admit that is a greatly insightful post, a lot of unconventional speculation, but also some great unconventional wisdom, just perhaps indicating the direction they will go in.  I, for one, definitely see the logic of it! [smiley=threed.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 1st, 2003, 7:28pm
The best they could do is get Lamont Jordan at this point, out of that bunch you mentioned. But I don't think the Jets will get rid of their future stud RB. I don't think Spurrier will get rid of Betts either but I heard Watson may be released. That may also be who the Buccs pick up.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 1st, 2003, 11:43pm
Watson is an option too. i had thought Jordan, but the Jets would want too much for him. TB is cheap...except for Guden. They will go the cheap route this year and next year invest early. ANother option. Ya never know IF Fargas does well they could deal for the underrated(IMO)Garner. Hell maybe even Anderson/DEN. The west coast off is tough to grasp, But with Buckhalter back they could get him or Staley or even Westbrook too. Ya never know. They will wait to see who gets dumped tmrw and make calls too. They will be fine.

Oh, thanks Stegey. I don't get many compliments form you.    Maybe   because i didnt used to post that much. whatever thanks bro.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 2nd, 2003, 7:43am

on 06/01/03 at 18:35:54, DOLFAN wrote:
KJ i disagree my friend. I think this spells the end for PIttman in TB. NO doubt the league/Gruden/POlice will take some action. He was in Gruden's dog house for a while last year, but had nothing better to do anything about it. I think TB will go to Alstott more short term, use Stephens more or could even trade for a RB from WASH- Betts comes to mind. Or maybe even another team- Oak, BUFF, Jets- Jordan who knows. Hell maybe even Hearst or Robert Edwards. I don't know if all those guys fit the scheme, but they have all there picks next year(i think) and could give up a 4th rounder without hiccup. Just a thought.
PITTMAN is an IDIOT!!


I think you're a bit off about who was in who's dog house.

Mike Alstott was the one in Gruden's doghouse as was  witnessed last season by his extremely reduced carries. It was Gruden's idea to bring over Pittmann, not really any one else's. Lamont Jordan? We already have Alstott who is an established RB. Ladell Betts? Read Aaron Stecker. Only one mentioned above I would give any thought to would be Hearst, he's more "similar" to Pittman's style of running.

I don't see Pittmann being done for the year and I also don't see them signing any SIGNIFICANT RB, then again, I could be wrong.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 3rd, 2003, 6:30pm
I told you they wouldn't get anyone significant.

http://buccaneers.net/news.asp?ID=59087458

Sign Terry Kirby


Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 3rd, 2003, 6:32pm
Bucs sign LB Jack Golden

http://buccaneers.net/news.asp?ID=59087450

Bucs sign RB Morghan Kane(Wake Forest)

http://buccaneers.net/news.asp?ID=59087456

Bucs sign WR Ahmed Harris( Lousiana Tech)

http://buccaneers.net/news.asp?ID=59087453


Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 3rd, 2003, 7:28pm
Kirby is not a SIGNIFICANT RB i agree, but a sign of things to come, just to cover there butts.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 3rd, 2003, 7:55pm
Yeah you're probably right, but I doubt Kirby will get anymore then 15 carries the entire season, barring injury to the other RBs.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 4th, 2003, 7:19am
Here's another idea that just came to mind for Pittman's replacement. They already have Alstott to pound it, the Browns just resigned Jamel White to  a 4 year deal. I've noticed that teams always rework deals with players before they trade them and earlier, there was talk of White going to Dallas. You think White is a possibility to take over for Pittman in TB?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 4th, 2003, 12:22pm

on 06/04/03 at 07:19:09, Cirrinone wrote:
Here's another idea that just came to mind for Pittman's replacement. They already have Alstott to pound it, the Browns just resigned Jamel White to  a 4 year deal. I've noticed that teams always rework deals with players before they trade them and earlier, there was talk of White going to Dallas. You think White is a possibility to take over for Pittman in TB?


Great thought Cirrinone.  I agree this makes sense to the Bucs,  But, I am not sure that Cleveland is in a postion to get rid of him.    Green had solid rookie year, but James Jackson is in position to be cut if Lee sucks comes in healthy, Lee Suggs has that injury question hanging over him.  

However, if the price is right, I see Jamel going to the Bucs for a second or third rounder.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 4th, 2003, 12:46pm
Last i heard Suggs was done for the year due to rotator cuff surgery. He will at the least be on PUP until week 6. SO suggs has a history of injuries. I LOVE the guy, but he did have the surgery. Maybe they are doing what BUFF is doing with Henry will showcase him another yr then deal him.
William Green didn't come on until late in the year. With their history of RB issues i don't think they will let him go unless they get a great offer or next offseason.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Cirrinone on Jun 4th, 2003, 2:55pm
Well you're right, Suggs did have the injury and such. But now they're saying it's not as serious as they thought and he'll be ready to play for a lot of the year. With that news, Cleveland got the best steal of the draft, or one of them. Vikes getting Onterrio was quite the steal too. But if Suggs is good to go as a backup, I can easily see White being traded and W. Green catching the balls that White did last year (that'd be SWEET for me, an owner of Green in a league that rewards 1 pt per reception). We'll see... I think White would fit in great in TB. It's not like he couldn't match Pittman's numbers... I think anyone could.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 4th, 2003, 3:34pm
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/03/Bucs/Bucs_clear_Pittman_to.shtml

Trade rumors have been SHUT DOWN AS OF THIS MOMENT, for now.  ;D

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 5th, 2003, 6:10pm
http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/overview/buccaneers2002.html

Off-Season Overview

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 13th, 2003, 2:10pm
It's littering "The REAL Feed"... RB Michael Pittman has been indicted on two counts of assault.  Here is ALL the local LOWDOWN from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGANSTVJVGD.html;

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/13/Bucs/Pittman_indicted_for_.shtml;

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/pro/buccaneers/orl-spt-pittmanupdate06053,0,2825196.story?coll=orl-bucs.

NOW, here is a piece that discusses their options at running back (VERY GOOD READ!):

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGA8PYTOVGD.html.

I'll give you all a REAL MEATY excerpt:

"Coach Jon Gruden expressed confidence in running backs Mike Alstott and Aaron Stecker this week and praised Earnest Graham, an undrafted rookie out of Florida. Veteran Terry Kirby signed June 3.

Travis Stephens, a fourth- round pick in 2002, did not carry the ball during an injury- plagued rookie year. He could be the change-of-pace back Gruden has pined for since Warrick Dunn signed with the Falcons as a free agent.

Thomas Jones, a first-round pick in 2000 who couldn't beat Pittman out in Arizona, is available. Jones averaged 3.7 yards behind a solid offensive line last year before being phased out by Marcel Shipp.

Cardinals executive Rod Graves recently called the Bucs to gauge their interest in trading for Jones, but Tampa Bay may wait to see whether Jones is released before training camp.

Ron Dayne now is third on the Giants' depth chart and likely will be available. The Raiders' Tyrone Wheatley knows Gruden's offense, but Oakland owner Al Davis, still smarting from that 48-21 Super Bowl debacle, is unlikely to help out his former coach by dealing Wheatley.

Philadelphia's Duce Staley, a 1,029-yard rusher last year, is boycotting minicamp in hopes of pressuring the Eagles into an extension. Staley, who opened the scoring in the NFC title game with a 20-yard run against the Bucs, is scheduled to make $2.2 million in the last year of his contract.

San Francisco's Garrison Hearst, a versatile veteran, would fit neatly into Gruden's system, but the 49ers did not release him June 1. He is likely to back up Kevan Barlow."


Mmmmm...  Now that was scrumtrulescent! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

Looks like the writer of this piece might have been reading some of the stuff we have been speculating about 'round here both on this thread and the "Diamonds in the Rough:  Aaron Stecker" thread located at:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1054785042.

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Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 13th, 2003, 6:34pm
And the plot thickens, as Thomas Jones is traded for WR Walker...


http://www.buccaneers.com/bucsnet/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=3076

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 13th, 2003, 9:18pm
I can't say that I hate the deal.. Jones has some potential... but what the fuck is up with Tampa Bay's infatuation with Card RBs?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 18th, 2003, 11:49pm
Well, Brad Johnson got that love from his team that he was waiting for.  Here is how it reads on "The REAL Feed":

Around the NFL: Bucs extend Johnson's contract
StarTribune: Sports (18.06.2003 21:12)  
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers rewarded Brad Johnson for leading the team to its first Super Bowl championship with a contract extension that includes a $6 million signing bonus and is worth $25 million over the next four seasons.


And, here is the UNDILUTED local lowdown STRAIGHT off "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAUE3704HD.html;

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/pro/buccaneers/orl-sptbucs19061903jun19,0,3895455.story?coll=orl-bucs.

I think, given his age, he received a very reasonable extension both in terms of length of time and money.  He now knows that he remains part of the team's plans beyond 2003.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 19th, 2003, 1:31am
He deserves all of it...only ?? is can he stay healthy??

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 1st, 2003, 2:52pm
Well, the news currently toppin' "The REAL Feed" regards Mr. Pittman.  The ESPN article takes a "glass half-full" position, while the local story from the Tampa Tribune brought to you by way of "the Gridiron Newsstand" takes a "glass half-empty" stance:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0701/1575299.html;

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAA8BHALHD.html.

What do you all make of it all? [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 4th, 2003, 8:47pm
Well, here's what's currently atop "The REAL Feed"...

Weekend roundup: Pittman's return to field hits snag (04.07.2003 09:54)

Here is the corroboration from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAZPUYMPHD.html.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 7th, 2003, 10:57am
The way i see it is this: Pittman's lawyers will try to keep pushing the court dates back and back as far down the road as they can. That way he can maybe get some playing time=$. The problem is that he is already on probation. I think though that the NFL will take action and suspend him for 4-6 games. I am very leary of Pittman this year.
This makes Jones a nice backup/insurance/sleeper for the year. With the trade for Jones i think TB saw the writing on the wall and think he will serve jail time and a suspension. If Jones can pickup the offense, similar to what he was in at UVA, he could turn out to be a solid guy for yrs to come. Regardless i think TB will take a RB high in next years draft.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 16th, 2003, 4:07pm
Here is a quote taken from the piece currently topping "The REAL Feed":

"Bucs to add Walls?: In another personnel matter, the Bucs are discussing the possibility of adding veteran tight end Wesley Walls to the roster. Walls, 37, auditioned for team officials and coaches early this week and appeared to be recovered from nagging injuries that slowed him in 2002.

The 14-year veteran was released by the Carolina Panthers early in the offseason and last month was cleared by orthopedic specialists to participate fully in training camp drills. He has appeared in 176 games and his career statistics include 430 receptions for 5,069 yards and 53 touchdowns.

Tampa Bay already is deep at the position, with veterans Ken Dilger and Rickey Dudley on the roster, but the Bucs used plenty of two-tight end formations and Walls could be a good fit for some of the things they do offensively."


Here is ALL the LOWDOWN from one of the local sources available on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAVH2X97ID.html.

Anybody think Walls could actually be a solid sleeper down in Tampa?

...

In the article quoted above, Len Pasquarelli actually initially discusses the "situation" Tampa Bay has with regards to their backup quarterbacks with Jim Miller's experiencing a set back in his rehab and now likely to be put on the PUP list.  Here is the LOCAL report on that from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/07/16/Bucs/Miller_may_miss_start.shtml.

Looks like Shaun King will start out the season as their #2.  Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 16th, 2003, 4:31pm
I think this is a good idea. He will only count $750,000 against the cap adn will give them great experience at the position. He is a catching TE and great Red zone threat. He has been injured the pas few yrs but was pretty solid before that. It can't hurt IMO.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 16th, 2003, 4:45pm
Could raise my man Brad Johnson's value, to boot! [smiley=havinablast.gif] Should help him be able to throw more touchdowns!  B. J. LOVES [smiley=smitten.gif] his tight ends, as do I! :D ;)

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 16th, 2003, 8:47pm
thats too easy - I'll let someone else do it.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 19th, 2003, 6:11am
Bucs get all their draft picks signed, ready for camp...from the REAL FEED:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/TB/6486764

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN2696764.htm

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Philly on Jul 21st, 2003, 10:22am
Just when you thought the Bucs RB situation was getting a little bit too cloudy, another name is thrown into the mix...

Check it out from the Gridiron Newsstand...

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/07/20/Bucs/Bucs_give_Barber_shot.shtml


Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 21st, 2003, 5:26pm

on 07/21/03 at 10:22:03, Philly wrote:
Just when you thought the Bucs RB situation was getting a little bit too cloudy, another name is thrown into the mix...

Check it out from the Gridiron Newsstand...

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/07/20/Bucs/Bucs_give_Barber_shot.shtml


Hey, why not?  I love the multi-dimensional players.  The position they talk about him using - I am picturing a wingback from a formation like the wing-t.  A guy that is half running back, half wide receiver.  Is that correct?

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 21st, 2003, 5:28pm
The only FF implication is to push all Tampa RBs (except Alstot) further down your rankings.  If Gruden is looking this hard for ball carriers, there probably ain't none.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Philly on Jul 21st, 2003, 8:23pm
Actually this is good too if you play in a league with IDPs and can get offensive points too.  I played in an IDP league a few years back and got offensive and defensive points (and special teams) for Deion Sanders...

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 9th, 2003, 8:13pm
Just some kicker news, first, but probably worth noting,... comin' straight to ya' from "The REAL Feed":

Bucs kicker Gramatica to sit out game with sore groin
NFL.com (09.08.2003 17:34)  
Tampa Bay Buccaneers kicker Martin Gramatica will be held out of practice and next week's preseason game at St. Louis because of a sore groin.


Here is the LOCAL corroboration from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAQ4Z835JD.html

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Also, even though this article is already a little "behind the times" as it was printed before the Bucs game against the Dolphins, it does, nevertheless, portray the battle for the starting RB job quite poignantly:

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGABDTCN3JD.html.

Actually, we may even find this article more useful now now that we know that Stecker did WELL as the starter against a strong Dolphins FIRST-TEAM defense.  Jones scored the TD, but his yards-per-carry was weak and, ultimately, he was, again, running against the second- and third-stringers.  Assuming Pittman will not be available this season, I think the edge for the starting tailback job has to be given to Stecker at this point.

Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Sep 4th, 2003, 7:34pm
There goes LB Shelton Quarles for the start of the season... one word... FUCK!  [smiley=frustrated.gif]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1609402

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAZE1M67KD.html


Title: Re: Buccaneers Off-Season Report
Post by Philly on Sep 4th, 2003, 10:00pm

on 09/04/03 at 19:34:17, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
There goes LB Shelton Quarles for the start of the season... one word... FUCK!  [smiley=frustrated.gif]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1609402

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAZE1M67KD.html


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