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(Message started by: BarnabyWilde on Mar 12^th, 2003, 7:28am)

Title: Texans Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 12^th, 2003, 7:28am

Stacey Mack looking for a starting gig...guess will have to see if it comes to fruition. I guess it also depends where Stephen Davis ends up.

Hot off the Gridiron Newstand:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/fb/texans/1814547

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/index.cfm?page_type=sub&cont_id=168483

Edited to Change Title

Title: Re: Mack, Texans talking...
Post by StegRock on Mar 12^th, 2003, 12:51pm

First off, GREAT use of "the Gridiron Newsstand"! [smiley=bow.gif] Thank you! But, along the lines of the precedent I am trying to set, it would be nice [smiley=awwgee.gif] if the "title" of this thread could be made broader. This was most recently reasserted in my message on the thread immediately following and the following through on that request exhibited on the second thread below:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1047394043;

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1047267295.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Mack, Texans talking...
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 12^th, 2003, 1:01pm

Mack has also stated that he is scheduled to meet with Oakland and Carolina. The funny thing is Carolina came out and said, "NO, we are NOT scheduled to visit with him."

I do however see him signing whereever Stephen Davis does NOT sign. Carolina or Houston. In my opinion, he is the second best back available now.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by Jetdoc on Mar 15^th, 2003, 8:09pm

The media here in Houston reported last week that the Texans believe that there is a 75% chance that the Texans will sign Mack after last week's visit.

I think that does wonders to improve Houston's rushing attack and cut James Allen's dead weight. The future of Jonathan Wells just got a little bleaker...

I could also see the Texans taking a RB in the 2nd round of the draft if Mack is signed.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by StegRock on Mar 15^th, 2003, 8:25pm

Jet, all,

Don't ya's think that these expansion teams give up on their running backs WAY TOO fast? I know if Mack goes to Houston, fans will want to be supportive. But, don't you see "Errict Rhett in Cleveland" written all over the situation. I mean I think Jonathan Wells, and James Allen for that matter, are gettin' the same raw deal that Travis Prentice, James Jackson, Ben Gay, who all showed some flashes, got in Cleveland. I mean not every back can be Barry Sanders. These kinds of teams are not going to have a good running game until their offensive lines are in order. It does not matter who is back there, even if it is the likes of Barry Sanders... or the great Stacey Mack. ::)

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 15^th, 2003, 9:13pm

Give up on Wells too early? His average yards per carry was 2.7 ONLY 2.7 I would say that is pretty crappy!

Stacey Macks yards per carry was 4.4 Jax O-line was nothing to write home about.

I think Mack is a huge upgrade over Wells. Mack is going to fit in great with that offense. Charlet Casserly likes Mack and thinks he will be a great addition.

Just for reference purposes, didn't the guy who thinks Ron Dayne is a future star in the NFL say the following:

Quote:

Don't ya's think that these expansion teams give up on their running backs WAY TOO fast? I know if Mack goes to Houston, fans will want to be supportive. But, don't you see "Errict Rhett in Cleveland" written all over the situation. I mean I think Jonathan Wells, and James Allen for that matter, are gettin' the same raw deal that Travis Prentice, James Jackson, Ben Gay, who all showed some flashes, got in Cleveland. I mean not every back can be Barry Sanders. These kinds of teams are not going to have a good running game until their offensive lines are in order. It does not matter who is back there, even if it is the likes of Barry Sanders... or the great Stacey Mack.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by StegRock on Mar 15^th, 2003, 9:22pm

on 03/15/03 at 21:13:51, DirkDiggler wrote:

Just for reference purposes, didn't the guy who thinks Ron Dayne is a future star in the NFL say the following:
...

That's not fair. That's below the belt. Dayne's situation is unrelated, but, in any case, logically speaking, no, I don't think Dayne is being given a fair chance, either, like those dudes in Cleveland, and now in Houston. But, ultimately it's apples and oranges. [smiley=Uwent2far.gif]

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 15^th, 2003, 9:28pm

Didn;t mean to strike below the belt. Just having a little fun making fun of you.

But seriously, do you truly think Wells has a future? I watched him play numerous times, and he looked horrible. All kidding aside, he did look like Ron Dayne. He would take two steps and fall down. It was bad! Real bad!!

Houston has improved their o-line this offseason, so maybe the he won;t be so scared to run the ball this year.

***How do you get the quote to paste the writer and time??
Quote:

on Today at 9:13pm, DirkDiggler wrote:

Do you type that or is their a way to get the system to do it?

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by StegRock on Mar 15^th, 2003, 11:43pm

on 03/15/03 at 21:28:10, DirkDiggler wrote:

All I am going to say is that, simply put, big backs, especially rookies, and weak offensive lines don't mix well; Wells is both and that offensive line fits the description. That's my take. :-/

Quote:

***How do you get the quote to paste the writer and time??
Do you type that or is their a way to get the system to do it?

I don't know what is up with your problem here. When you use the "quote" link, the default includes the code for all that stuff. As long as you don't mess with it, it should display the writer and the time and what-not. I am perplexed at your problem. ???

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by Jetdoc on Mar 23^rd, 2003, 12:16am

on 03/15/03 at 21:28:10, DirkDiggler wrote:

Houston has improved their o-line this offseason, so maybe the he won;t be so scared to run the ball this year.

This is the key...the Texans really need a power rusher in the backfield to take some of the heat off of Carr. Someone that can pound it between the tackles that will make the D-Line think twice before going full speed at the QB.

James Allen is a rush-outside-the-tackles RB. Wells is also a guy that does not like to take it up the middle <insert sexual inference here>. Mack is a guy that gets off by pounding it and knocking guys over. That and he's a decent blocker.

It's been quiet on the Mack front since I last posted, so that worries me.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 23^rd, 2003, 8:04am

Quote:

It's been quiet on the Mack front since I last posted, so that worries me.

JetDoc--

I am following the Mack situation closely(cause I traded for him in a keeper league). There are at least contract talks occuring. The Texans made an offer on Thursday. My guess that the contract will be incentive loaded and they are just trying to work out the details.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 29^th, 2003, 12:40pm

on 03/23/03 at 00:16:20, Jetdoc wrote:

It's been quiet on the Mack front since I last posted, so that worries me.

Dam--

I am starting to get worried about the Mack situation too. They made him an offer yet he has not accepted yet. Does anyone know what the TRUE story is?? I thought they would have wrapped up negotiations by now.....

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by StegRock on Mar 29^th, 2003, 1:09pm

BW, I hope you don't mind my giving your thread here a little more character by way of the message icon of the initial post.

Dirk, you know where I stand regarding Mack. Even if he does go to Houston, :-/ :P !

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 30^th, 2003, 8:13pm

No, not at all!

I really hope Mack signs with the Texans. I think he could be decent as a starter. If he doesn't sign, I think the Texans must be looking at the RB position with their second pick. Maybe Suggs, Johnson if he falls that far, or Smith.

on 03/29/03 at 13:09:53, StegRock wrote:

BW, I hope you don't mind my giving your thread here a little more character by way of the message icon of the initial post.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by grimreaper99 on Mar 31^st, 2003, 10:45am

hey men new to the site. Just thought I would give a new view on mack. Every time the jags gave him the ball the guy produced. If he signs with the texans and they get serious about running the ball. Mack could put up serious numbers. 800-950 yds 10 to 12 tds. I'm from ohio and am not a firm beliver in wells he is no more than a low ranking reserve in my opinion. Thanks for hearing me out. 8) [smiley=evil.gif]

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by Jetdoc on Mar 31^st, 2003, 3:30pm

Welcome Reap...nice to have newbies come around, especially in the offseason. I like Mack's running style too...he is almost the Thunder to Taylor's Handicapped Lightning.

No more word here from Houston on Mack's situation...I bet that the Texans are waiting until the FA market dries up and Mack has to make the decision to take less money and start in Houston or go back to JAX (especially with Taylor's contract extension).

I like the Texans' chances.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 8:28am

Another link provided by the GRIDIRON NEWSTAND via the REAL FEED!!!

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/6290467

Now if the Texans only had a decent O-Line to protect Carr, and if they can sign Mack...maybe they can improve on their impressive first season win total...

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by StegRock on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 1:19pm

Well, here is a little more on the linebacker signings from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/index.cfm?page_type=sub&cont_id=173361.

[smiley=deal.gif] BUT, perhaps more intiguing news, especially for your typical offensive-minded fantasy footballer, HERE is the LATEST on the Texans' courting [smiley=gettinridden.gif] of RB Stacey Mack HOT off "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/fb/texans/1848037.

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 5:12am

Here is the latest, hot off the REAL FEED

Mack signs. I think this is great for him. He will beef up the worst offense in the league last year, and the Texans can concentrate on other concerns via the draft.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0403/1533284.html

Title: Re: Houston Texans Offseason Update
Post by grimreaper99 on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 11:23am

I had mack and moe williams on my roster last year and enjoyed all those touchdowns. They with the help of many others helpped me to the championship. With mack possibly getting full time status this will help his owners to plan for their draft. I will now feel better about my rb sitiation.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Update: Mack Signs!
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 5^th, 2003, 6:48pm

Now that Mack is in the fold, does anyone know what the heck the status is of Boselli? Everything I have read states that no one knows his status. Does anyone have the real scoop???

What are the local yocals saying?

If Boselli is back, with Weigert, the Texans will have a decent line. Not great, but Mack could be a sleeper.....

In addition, I love Macks gamble. One Year contract. Show him the money at the end of the season???....

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Update: Mack Signs!
Post by StegRock on Apr 9^th, 2003, 7:22pm

JUST read this on "The REAL Feed"...

"Stacey Mack, who spent the past four seasons with Jacksonville, is expected to compete with Jonathan Wells for the Texans' starting tailback job."

Hmmmm... Mack to "compete with" Wells... Rhetoric or Reality? I think "Reality"! What about you?

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Update: Mack Signs!
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 9^th, 2003, 8:18pm

on 04/09/03 at 19:22:36, StegRock wrote:

It's a bunch off bullshit. Mack will "compete" until the coaching staff looks at the stat sheet and until the first day of training camp. No way Wells beats him out.....

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Update: Mack Signs!
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 15^th, 2003, 6:32pm

on 04/05/03 at 18:48:35, DirkDiggler wrote:

What are the local yocals saying?

The word here in Houston is that Mack was basically guaranteed the starting job by Capers and Casserly, but they couldn't say so pubically, otherwise Wells would have no incentive to work hard. Also, watching Wells last year and hearing about his training regimine (or lack of one) in the offseason, I don't think there is going to be much competition.

The word on the offensive line is that they will be MUCH improved from the injury-riddled nightmare from last year. They've signed a couple of very solid OL in the offseason. Boselli also restructured his contract to the minimum with TONS of incentives for his robotic shoulders to get back onto the field. Boselli has already stated publically that he plans to be back in the fold and has been itching to get started. Whether his injury will allow him to is another question.

I think realistically the Texans are looking at an improvement in their rushing attack, but I wouldn't be expecting a 1,000 yard rusher in 2003. Heck, I'll take ANY improvement over last year's impotency as a great sign for Mack to get a huge bumpup in salary next year.

Let's hope he pans out.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 25^th, 2003, 10:09am

Update:

1. The Texans have already made it official...Andre Johnson, WR Miami will be their 1.03 pick in the draft. Suggs isn't even being contemplated any more, according to local Houston media.

2. The Texans do not plan on participating in free agency any more in the offseason. Looks like the only offseason movements they will be making will be related to the draft and/or trades with other teams.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 28^th, 2003, 10:44am

Post draft report:

1. Stacey Mack was the BIGGEST beneficiary on the Texans with this weekend's draft. Not only did the Texans NOT draft a RB (Davis is simply a return man, as stated by Casserly last night and this morning in Houston local media), but they drafted a powerful blocking TE in Joppru and drafted another deep threat in Johnson. Mack looks like he just became a bonafide #3 RB for most fantasy teams.

2. David Carr's stock just jumped a bit with the addition of Andre Johnson (which gives him three bonafide options at WR), which now makes him a decent backup QB on most fantasy teams.

3. Corey Bradford is probably no longer the #1 in Houston, but this fact may actually IMPROVE his numbers from last year. I wouldn't want Bradford as my primary backup WR, but I would definitely consider him as a secondary backup.

4. Billy Miller's stock just went into the toilet...apparently, the Texans have "off the record" communicated to him that they don't view him as an integral piece to the offense in 2003. They are really focusing on the ability to pass-protect and covering the ends on runs, which Miller cannot do worth a squat. Miller will probably see some time as an H-back and in some two TE formations, but not much more than that.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 29^th, 2003, 3:34pm

I don't care what you guys say about Stacy Mack. He is a cross between Darrick Holmes and Errict Rhett. Darrick Holmes was a stud entering games as Thurman Thomas's backup. Never stuck as a starter. Errict Rhett was a fairly quality back, who after taking off a year (his first mistake), went to the expansion Cleveland Browns where he couldn't do dick on that team. Things may "appear" a little glossy right now, and ultimately I am rooting for them as underdogs, but when the ball gets kicked off in September, they will still be a 2-year-old expansion team and will produce an according running back/backfield. Is Mack a decent get for the Texans team-wise? Sure, but to expect anything more than 750 to 850 yards rushing, perhaps another 150 to 300 receiving, and 6 to 8 combined touchdowns out of Mack this year for fantasy football purposes would be foolish!

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 29^th, 2003, 5:49pm

on 04/29/03 at 15:34:22, StegRock wrote:

Call me a fool. I see him with 1000 yards rushing, 300 receiving, and 9 combined TD's. This is assuming Boselli comes back......(which I think he will)

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 30^th, 2003, 10:31am

on 04/29/03 at 15:34:22, StegRock wrote:

Sure, but to expect anything more than 750 to 850 yards rushing, perhaps another 150 to 300 receiving, and 6 to 8 combined touchdowns out of Mack this year for fantasy football purposes would be foolish!

James Allen in 2002 - 519 yards rushing, 302 yards receiving, 0 TDs

Jonathan Wells in 2002 - 529 yards rushing, 48 yards receiving, 3 TDs

Combined - 1,048 yards rushing, 350 yards receiving, 3 TDs

And that was with a crappy offensive line.

Assuming that Wells may steal 10% of the carries away from the Houston rushing effort, that is still almost 1,000 yards rushing, 300 yards receiving and 3 TDs for Mack, assuming nothing has changed from last year's abyssmal rushing effort.

1,400 combined yards and 6 TDs is not an unreasonable expectation for Mr. Mack, which is pretty darn good for a backup fantasy RB.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 30^th, 2003, 1:45pm

on 04/30/03 at 10:31:42, Jetdoc wrote:

1,400 combined yards and 6 TDs is not an unreasonable expectation for Mr. Mack, which is pretty darn good for a backup fantasy RB.

It is not "unreasonable," but it is not what I would "pencil in" for him, either. I think that would be foolishly optimistic, especially this early. I would move ahead with a more conservative prediction because I know that would keep me honest and with a continuous eye towards improvement (if I were in a keeper league and had him, that is).

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 30^th, 2003, 3:15pm

on 04/30/03 at 13:45:27, StegRock wrote:

Ah, but I own him in a keeper league. I am penciling in 1100 yards rushing, 300 receiving, and 8 TD's.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 13^th, 2003, 1:54pm

Well, this is what is currently toppin' "The REAL Feed": "Texans re-sign James Allen", and here is all the corroborative material HOT off "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/fb/texans/1906835;

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/index.cfm?page_type=sub&cont_id=180955;

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/index.cfm?page_type=sub&cont_id=180618.

The top piece points out "the options" Houston now has at running back! Hmmmm... [smiley=hmmmm.gif] Could this be the start of the Mack truck breakdown? Ultimately, I think the Mack truck will be merging into the "slow lane," in which there is already a traffic jam, resulting in a total watering down of his stats. Same scenario at RB as pretty much all fledgling franchises... [smiley=threed.gif]

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 5^th, 2003, 6:12pm

http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/overview/texans2002.html

Off-Season Overview

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by Jetdoc on Jun 6^th, 2003, 3:31pm

I personally think that Dom Capers has learned his lesson about RBBC last year. It doesn't work, especially on a young team.

I think each RB's role will be as follows:

1. Stacey Mack - primary RB, gets all carries on first and second down and inside the redzone. Primary fantasy option.

2. James Allen - 3rd down back only. Will see most of the third down opportunities as either a draw back or a safety valve in the flat.

3. Dominick Davis - Special teams only, with spot duty as third down back.

4. Jonathan Wells - Insurance policy for Stacey Mack. Won't see the field, other than to give Mack a rest or in case of a Mack injury.

If Mack really struggles at the beginning of the season, I can see these roles changing. Otherwise, Mack is STILL the main back in Houston, and they aren't going to a RBBC. Yet.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 22^nd, 2003, 3:07pm

Texan's sign their number 1 pick Andre Johnson, straight off the Real Feed:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN2703040.htm

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by PrimeTime on Jul 31^st, 2003, 10:54pm

There appears to be no love for the Texans on this great site of ours. Where are all the posts? I guess I'll put my two cents in.

I think Corey Bradford will exceed most peoples expectations this year. I haven't checked where he is currently being drafted, but I can see him breaking into the top 25 WRs this year.

Why? A couple of reasons:

(1) The Texans offense will be improved this year (it really can't get any worse). Last year every player was new to the system, this year they will have a year under their belt. In additon, while Mack is not a stud, I think Mack and Wells will provide a solid duo at RB.

(2) Carr will be improved. He took a beating last year, but he will be improved after a full offseason of work.

(3) The Texans will be behind in many of their games and Carr will be passing his ass off in the 4th quarter of a lot of games. This means cheap yards against prevent defenses.

(4) The addition of Johnson should result in fewer double teams for Corey.

Well, there you have it. Don't let Corey slip past you in the later rounds or you might be sorry.

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 10^th, 2003, 11:01pm

Well, the Texans RB derby just got a little thinner. Here is how it currently reads atop "The REAL Reed":

RB Allen surprisingly retires from Texans
ESPN NFL (10.08.2003 21:40)

Here is ALL the LOCAL corroboration available to you by way of "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/fb/texans/2041114;

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/index.cfm?page_type=sub&cont_id=198731.

I suppose this is good news for Mack, Wells and Hollings owners. :-/ However, I still do not see Houston's ground game producing much more than 1,300 yards and 10 touchdowns COMBINED in '03. [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 15^th, 2003, 11:48pm

Can someone please tell me that Mack will rush for 1200 yards and 7 TD's?

As you can see from the "Auction" thread he is my number 3 RB in a league that starts 3 RB's.

Tell me I can count on him.

Go ahead tell me. [smiley=thinking.gif] [smiley=shrug.gif] [smiley=crystalball.gif] [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 16^th, 2003, 2:17am

Looks like Tony Hollings is running the ball pretty well... nice stats from the latest pre-season game. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 16^th, 2003, 3:05am

on 08/15/03 at 23:48:36, PrimeTime wrote:

[smiley=no.gif]

Title: Re: Texans Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 16^th, 2003, 12:28pm

on 08/15/03 at 23:48:36, PrimeTime wrote:

You got a steal! Let the doubters have their pre-season jeers, he'll be a top 20, or slighty better back at the end of it all. His recieving skills may finally get a chance to be shown as well. 1300-1400 combined rushing/recieving, 7-9 tds. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]