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(Message started by: StegRock on Mar 18th, 2003, 3:52pm)
Title: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 18th, 2003, 3:52pm
Well, HOT off "the Gridiron Newsstand", it is being reported that PK Morten Andersen and the Chiefs just agreed today to a 4-year contract, a contract the Chiefs' brass thinks Andersen, who turns 43 before the season commences, will be able to play out:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news_article.asp?ID=HWZJTW43PWI7RB6IAC2PARX84W.

That rips him out of the Giants picture!  Any takes on this?  Does anybody really think he'll be able to play it out?  He'd be 46 when the fourth year of this contract rolls around.

Edited to broaden the Topic!
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report: Mort gets long-term d
Post by FourTwoOh on Mar 18th, 2003, 4:00pm
I wouldn't bet against him. More hope on my part than anything. Keep him in red and gold as long as keeps his percentage up.

Old farts unite!  ;D
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report: Mort gets long-term d
Post by Philly on Mar 19th, 2003, 2:52pm
Wow... the Eagles thought Hugh Douglas was too old at 31...

I can't imagine he'll play out his contract.  I imagine there is very little (if any) guaranteed money and there are probably plenty of incentive clauses in the contract.

Mort has been a great kicker (HoF without a doubt) and should be good for another year.  Keep in mind he was injured this past year.  It won't be long before they can't count on him for those longer FGs.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report: Mort gets long-term d
Post by Walker Boh on Mar 20th, 2003, 12:02am
Hmmmm... something tells me this deal was made in hopes that he'll break the all time scoring record as a Cheif. Is Gary Anderson still playing? I figure if Mort can play one year longer then Gary, he can pass him.

I'll be shocked if he plays it out.

        [smiley=skull.gif] (Mort in 2007) [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report: Mort gets long-term d
Post by FourTwoOh on Mar 20th, 2003, 3:24am

on 03/20/03 at 00:02:07, Walker Boh wrote:
Hmmmm... something tells me this deal was made in hopes that he'll break the all time scoring record as a Cheif. Is Gary Anderson still playing? I figure if Mort can play one year longer then Gary, he can pass him.

I'll be shocked if he plays it out.

        [smiley=skull.gif] (Mort in 2007) [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]


Gary Anderson is currently without contract.  Don't know if he's getting any looks or not. They are close in the scoring battle 2100 something for Mort, 2200 something for Gary. Don't hold me too tight to those numbers, but I feel pretty sure.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 23rd, 2003, 5:26pm
Some updates out of "the Gridiron Newsstand", both BIG news and small:

QB Todd Collins re-signed to continue to serve as Trent Green's primary backup -

http://www.chiefzone.com/stories/032303/foo_collins.shtml;

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/5451979.htm;

Probably of more interest, though, given the Priest's hip injury and contract situation, news on the Chiefs backup tailback hunt includes serious discussion of Shawn Bryson and Dorsey Levens, but talk of Emmitt Smith is all but dismissed:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/5442734.htm.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 7th, 2003, 11:49am
Vonnie Holliday set to become a Chief. Assuming we got him at a good price I like his deal. He ain't no Hugh, but a good solid end none the less.

http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=1042856
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 7th, 2003, 11:51am

on 04/07/03 at 11:49:15, FourTwoOh wrote:
Vonnie Holliday set to become a Chief. Assuming we got him at a good price I like his deal. He ain't no Hugh, but a good solid end none the less.

http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=1042856



Of course, if Fox's sports news is as, uh, accurate as they're war coverage, it could just be that that Von Booker has announced he has plans to go on vacation over the holidays?  ::)   ;D   ::)
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 7th, 2003, 2:43pm

on 04/07/03 at 11:51:26, FourTwoOh wrote:
Of course, if Fox's sports news is as, uh, accurate as they're war coverage, it could just be that that Von Booker has announced he has plans to go on vacation over the holidays?  ::)   ;D   ::)


Better than Abu-Dabi TV...  They claim that Vonnie Holliday never even played in Green Bay; that he and Vaughn Booker are actually the same person, and that the fact that greater Kansas City is actually in Missouri is an American conspiracy. [smiley=no.gif]          [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]          [smiley=no.gif]

Dude, it is a shame you can't get that channel!
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 7th, 2003, 3:59pm

on 04/07/03 at 14:43:59, StegRock wrote:
Better than Abu-Dabi TV...  They claim that Vonnie Holliday never even played in Green Bay; that he and Vaughn Booker are actually the same person, and that the fact that greater Kansas City is actually in Missouri is an American conspiracy. [smiley=no.gif]          [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]          [smiley=no.gif]

Dude, it is a shame you can't get that channel!


;D

If it coming from the Iraq Minister of Infromation, I ain't buyin' it.  ;)
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 7th, 2003, 4:19pm

on 04/07/03 at 15:59:23, FourTwoOh wrote:
;D

If it is coming from the Iraq Minister of Infromation, I ain't buyin' it.  ;)


Did you mean if OR unless?
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 7th, 2003, 5:17pm

on 04/07/03 at 16:19:02, StegRock wrote:
Did you mean if OR unless?



Oooops! If it ain't coming from...kinda kills the joke, huh?  ;D :-[
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 7th, 2003, 5:25pm
[quote author=FourTwoOh link=board=55;num=1048020745;start=0#11 date=04/07/03 at 17:17:40]Oooops! If it ain't coming from...kinda kills the joke, huh?  ;D :-[/quote]

Well, actually, "If it ain't..." works as does "Unless it is..." [smiley=shrug.gif] (that smiley was added with you in mind, 420) ;D
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 13th, 2003, 8:40am
http://espn.go.com/nfl/overview/Chiefs2003.html

Off-Season Review of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 21st, 2003, 4:21pm
Anyone have any info on the Chiefs WR battles?

Eddie Kennison?  Marc Boerigter?  Johnnie Morton?  Sylvester Morris?  Snoop Minnis?  Dante Hall?

Are any going to be released?  Has anyone been penciled in as a starter yet?
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 21st, 2003, 4:30pm
Well, I don't have any corroboration, but I think Morton is a goner.  FourTwoOh would know better, though.  Anyway, my gut tells me that the two starting wideouts for the Chiefs this season are going to be Boerigter, who I think is going to bust out of nowhere and potentially have a huge year, and Kennison, who will be serviceable and maybe even slightly improve and be a solid #3-4 fantasy receiver.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 11th, 2003, 5:25pm
FourTwoOh, any "local lowdown" on the [smiley=priest.gif] ?
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Jun 11th, 2003, 8:52pm
Kennison and Morton have indeed swithched spots. Right now the  talk is that Morton makes a better slot rec. Makes sense as that is where he excelled in Detroit.

This has one of those "you can read into" angles that it is Morton who will be facing the cometition of Bo, and to a lesser extent, the new kid Horn. Horn is a Arena League "stud", that is getting very good reviews out of the mini camps. Minnis or Morris are most likely fighting for last man standing as Hall makes the team on special teams for sure. Six wide outs is ok, no way they go seven. I'm personally pulling for Morris, but have no indication of which way Vermeil is leaning.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Razzak on Jun 12th, 2003, 1:32am

on 05/21/03 at 16:30:24, StegRock wrote:
Well, I don't have any corroboration, but I think Morton is a goner.


disagree.

[quote author=StegRock]
Boerigter, who I think is going to bust out of nowhere and potentially have a huge year[/quote]

Ooooh.  I like it!

Problem is you've got Kennison, Morton, Boerighter, Gonzo, Minnis/Morris, and Holmes/Richardson/Johnson.  Too many hyped players on this team which means...

I should draft Trent Green :D
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 20th, 2003, 9:39pm
From "the Gridiron Newsstand", this is a bit of an off-the-beat-and-track, but nevertheless fantasy-relevant, expose.  It tries to make sense of all the "media self-driven" reports/"stories" that have come out this offseason regarding the Priest's injury, and, actually, as fantasy footballers it is just as much our job to "read" the media and "weed through" the information as it is to evaluate players and the situations they are in, i.e. the teams they are on.  With that in mind, this is a great read, especially for over the weekend:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news_article.asp?ID=6GX3JHE7TAI7RB6IAC2PARX84W.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Razzak on Jun 21st, 2003, 2:02pm

on 06/20/03 at 21:39:09, StegRock wrote:
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news_article.asp?ID=6GX3JHE7TAI7RB6IAC2PARX84W.


Interesting report.  However, he doesn't provide all the information either.

He fails to address that:
  • No one has seen Priest run/play at full speed since the injury.
  • The Chiefs refuse to show Priest the money, despite his amazing performance last year.
  • The Chiefs went out and spent their first round pick on a runningback.  You don't do this unless you A) have injury concerns about the back or B) simply don't want the back.
Further, he says people mistake an absence of information on the injury to mean its more serious than it is.  Well, people assume that because in the past that's what it has meant.

So, either the author is a retard and can't even follow his own advice by looking through all the facts...

or...

he had an agenda and omitted information contrary to it.  According to this author--and I avoid using names to avoid making this a flame type situation, even though it is--Priest got injured and had one minor scope on his hip and that's it.

That's pretty blind if you ask me.  That's like Fiedler thinking the Dolphins got Griese as purely a backup.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 21st, 2003, 3:59pm
Though I see your point, Razz, you must admit that comparing a marginal performer, Fiedler, and a top-of-the-liner, Holmes, is a tenuous position to be arguing from.  Logically, I totally follow you.  But, with regards to magnitude, these are VERY different situations.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 21st, 2003, 4:27pm
That artical looked to me like someone had a deadline to meet and couldn't think of anything better to write about in this slow period. So he wrote about a top NFL RB. He could do this for the next few weeks. He can do TD next , then Favre's retirement, then LA expansion in 2006, and finally Jason Taylor's hang nail. All would have more pertinent info. This was just about how urban legends get started.
Actually i agree with some of you guys now and we should not compare it to Bo...
It really reminds me of the whole Terrell Davis scenario a few years backs. The Denver camp said...he had surgery and is coming along fine...he is running now and "appears to be on schedule...he will participate in all aspects of camp"...THEN all of a sudden when camp got there they saw the setbacks...then after a few weeks they finally announced some issues. You guys are right i stand corrected its not like Bo it's more like TD...Just my $.02.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 10th, 2003, 2:04am

on 07/10/03 at 00:18:50, DOLFAN wrote:
...I still am amazed at the lack of ANY news from the KC camp about Priest...


In particular response to the quote above from the Vikes thread, here is a contrary piece straight off "The REAL Feed":

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1578737.html.

Quite informative, especially the following line:

"Holmes told fantasy fans that he would make himself the No. 1 choice in any fantasy draft because he is so optimistic about his comeback."

Can't get more direct than that! [smiley=bullseye.gif] Gotta' love that fantasy-specific prognosis right from the horse's mouth! [smiley=bow.gif] Respect the High Priest! [smiley=priest.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Bouve on Jul 10th, 2003, 10:24am
not sure if any of you guys caught wind of Holmes on the radio yesterday but basically he said he is 100% and has been training hard, doing things like pulling tractors across the field, etc.

However the big thing coming out of the interview was that he wants to play in 1 preseason game aganist STL and that he won't be playing week 1 without a new contract. He seemed optimistic about getting a new one but the KC brass have been known to play hardball so nobody really know for sure what will happen.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 10th, 2003, 10:45am
This is taken from the Footballguys newsletter (free until August something):


Quote:
As we told you about this morning, Priest Holmes "broke the silence"
today with an interview on a Kansas City radio station.  

Our Message Boards were hopping with analysis from the Holmes
interview.   Here's a quick summary from Offdee on our boards
http://footballguys.net/forum/index.php?
act=ST&f=2&t=11233&s=394949ea4c0ed11b5281f95ec2428eaf

Snippets of the 1 hour interview where he answered questions both
from the hosts and callers:

- Just 4 months ago he was on crutches and has heard all the rumors
and he's now excited for camp to start to prove all of the doubters
wrong.
- He wanted to play the final 2 games of last season, but looking
back on it now he could've sacrificed his career if he would've
played those games.
- Bo Jackson's injury was where his hip actually came out of socket
and cut off the blood supply. Priest Holmes never had any shortage
of blood supply and no nerve damage in his hip ever.
- 8 hours after his last surgery to clear out the loose bodies he
was back on the bike going full speed.
- He's now pushing and pulling Tractors around in his workouts.
- He doesn't want to ease into getting back- he wants to be ready
for the season from the start.
- He gets relaxed by riding his motorcycle 120 m.p.h.
- Camp starts in 10 days and his #1 goal is to get on the field to
show his fans he's ready to play.
- He will be talking with coaches next week to discuss how often he
will be taking part in camp workouts…was talking about going 1 a
day, then 2 a day, then 1 a day, then 2 a day, etc....
- He believes his # of touches will depend upon how Larry Johnson
will be coming along.

***Commercial Break

- Priest would definitely pick himself #1 overall in fantasy drafts
this year. He said the question would be who should be picked #2.
- Will you put up big #'s again this year? Definitely.
- His contract has been discussed this off-season and he was told
that if he can just show that he can fall down and get back up and
run he'll be getting a new contract.
- He will be participating fully in camp without a new contract to
show the team that he is perfectly healthy.
- He will be playing in a pre-season game to show the coaches that
he is OK to make sure his contract is in place before the start of
the regular season.
- If he doesn't have a contract and signing bonus before game #1 of
the regular season than he will NOT be on the field Sept. 7th….but,
Carl Peterson assured him that he'll have a new contract so he's not
worried about it.
- He expects the Chiefs to be a Super Bowl contender this year.
- The Chiefs defense will be making a name for themselves this year.

***Commercial Break

Answering caller's questions:

- His goal is to make sure he plays at least 1 pre-season game even
without a new contract if it comes to that to make sure he's in sync
with the offense come the start of the season.
- He believes Carl Peterson realizes that it's a new era for the
Chiefs and he realizes his old ways of handling contracts should not
be the way to handle Priest's contract.
- The injury does play a part in the contract negotiations, but he
has no doubt that he'll get paid appropriately and will retire a KC
Chief.
- He does not think the contract issue will get ugly.
- Believes the pre-season game that he will be playing in will be
the one against the St. Louis Rams.
- He's very sure he'll be playing game #1 of the season because he's
not the one that needs to write out the check for his contract
signing bonus.
- He loves Snoop Dogg and he thinks it's great Snoop's wearing
Priest's jersey in his new video. He never got a chance to meet
Snoop yet though.
- He's a terrible singer…sang "Sweet Home Alabama" but made it
into "Sweet Home Kansas City"

** End of Interview**

[[[[[ OUR VIEW ]]]]]

It's great to hear that Holmes believes he's ready to go full speed
today and that in fact, he's already pushing himself a little harder
than Chiefs president and general manager Carl Peterson would like
him to. After listening to the hour-long session, my overall
impression here is that contract issues are of much greater concern
to Holmes than his health. That being the case, I'd look for the
Chiefs to take a fairly hard-line approach to this situation, much
like they did with Tony Gonzalez last year. Meaning they're likely
to wait until late in the game to give in. Holmes may be confident
Carl Peterson sees the errors in his old ways but I'm not so sure.
The focus does seem to be shifting from the injury to the contract
and I feel much better about that. A new contract and a great
preseason game would likely elevate Holmes back to the top of
everyone's draft list. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jul 10th, 2003, 11:02am
Nice find bgsgfan.  Very interesting interview.  Before I got to the analysis "OUR VIEW" at the end I was thinking the same things.  It really isn't the injury that is an issue, it is the contract.

While the proof is in the pudding, and seeing is believing, I think hearing this from the Padre puts me at ease concerning his status.  I imagine that the Chiefs will realize that LJ is not ready to carry the team yet and Carl Peterson will address the contract before the season begins.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 10th, 2003, 12:39pm
Bouve, Priest never said he is 100%. If he were he would be playing in more than 1 preseason game.
PRO:
That having been said this is great news "from the horses mouth" for Holmes owners. I think it smart that he only play in 1 game to bring him along slowly and help the development of LJ. Pushing/pulling tractors, good for him. I'm glad that he had this interview adn his rehab is going so well. Looks like he is on his way to #1 overall again. You go for it.
CON:
I still want to see him in action before i move him up on my personal cheatsheet. He still is not 100%, but getting there. Last year Edge said that he was 100% too and look at his season. True a knee is different than a hip though. My concern is if/when he takes a major blow to his hip...or 2 or 17. How will it handle all the pounding for a full season. He didn't have just 1 surgery, he had a few. I think he be taken out on a few more plays than normal this year as insurance. Again, all this is talk from the player, not the coaches. He still has to prove it on the field. Untill he does that he wont move up on my chart.
I wish him the best of luck, sincerely. If healthy he will be the #1 back again. If not, Holmes owners do all you can to handcuff LJ.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Bouve on Jul 14th, 2003, 11:19am

on 07/10/03 at 12:39:48, DOLFAN wrote:
Bouve, Priest never said he is 100%. If he were he would be playing in more than 1 preseason game.


I am pretty confident he said he was 100% on the radio. If not then he wouldn't be talking about being ready for camp, etc.

Also if I were him I wouldn't play in more than 1 preseason game, simply because its not worth the risk. However he is putting alot of stock in the 1 STL game. If he does well he will probably get a new contract, if he doesn't than maybe they give LJ the start week 1 and see what he can do.

Personally I still don't think he is 100% but I am sure he said that in the interview. Possibly as a ploy to ensure he is ok so he can get a new contract.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 15th, 2003, 11:55am
Well, here is ALL the LOWDOWN on the Priest's contract sitch as per the KC sources made readily available to you on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

Priest's take -
http://www.chiefzone.com/stories/071103/foo_holmes.shtml;

Peterson's take -
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/6285685.htm;

A local writer's take -
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/6268607.htm.

And, the plot thickens...
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 15th, 2003, 10:36pm
"The injured hip has forced Prie$t to resort to Peterson-like tactics of deception. Early during the off-season he misled the media, said his rehab was going great and that he was healthy. On Wednesday he admitted that his hip was "bad" and that he experienced significant pain during the first three months of his original rehabilitation."
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate to tell ya so, but...Bouve...again please tell me where it says he is 100%. If he were he would be playing in all those games. It is smart to keep him out of some and keep him for the season. Like I have said before it sounds like Terrell Davis(no info).
Back to the topic at hand. If this isn't proof i don't know what is. First the hip and now the $. He deserves more indeed, prolly a production laden contract for sure. Either way i think his stock stays where it is, actually i may drop him below Deuce now, or at least have them = with a HUGE * next to his name. He is still a top tier guy when healthy. Toss in his $ and hip issues and the guy that benefits most is Larry Johnson. He is continuing to climb up my board.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 15th, 2003, 10:47pm
I see your point, DOLFAN, but I don't read "ALL THAT" into that.  I think there is some promising news there, too.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Bouve on Jul 16th, 2003, 9:46am
DOLFAN he wasn't 100% for the first 3 months it says. If he wasn't 100% right now he probably wouldn't be ready for camp.

Also no where does it say he isn't 100%. Most studs, coming off and injury or otherwise rarely take part in more than 1 preseason game.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 18th, 2003, 1:41am
Chiefs sign 1st rounder Larry Johnson. Straight off the Gridiron Newstand:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1582216.html
[smiley=deal.gif] [smiley=doh.gif] [smiley=takinyours.gif] [smiley=gettinridden.gif] [smiley=mywhippinboy.gif]
Is this guy a fucking IDIOT??? Who is his agent? Forest ...Forest Gump? [smiley=smileytrash.gif]
[smiley=horse.gif] [smiley=shootmyself.gif]
7 yrs/$8M/$3M signing bonus??? What the fuck is he thinking?New deal in 3 yrs i guess.
I haven't seen a deal this bad since BOZ was signed by the Seahawks way back when. Boz did it because he knew his shoulders were toast. I hope they gave him 3 yrs worth of VASELINE or Preparation H. I have lost a lot of respect for him and agent.
Wait i know it was the same guy that did RWms deal with the Saints. Fucking DUMBASS!! [smiley=horse.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2003, 1:04pm
Well, this is my honest-to-goodness take on how the signing of Larry Johnson to a 7-year deal relates to the Priest and will affect both of their futures from a fantasy standpoint.  First of all, I think it is GOOD news for guys who have Priest going into '03.  I also believe it to be good news for guys who have Johnson in deep-deep keeper leagues.  Of course this was all fairly contingent on a dum-dum [smiley=dunce.gif] agent as DOLFAN points out above, I think giving Larry a long-term 7-year deal rather than the typical 3-year contract given to rooks indicates that they expect Holmes to be around for 2 or 3 more years.  I mean let's be real Johnson's succeeding on the NFL level remains quite dubious [smiley=doseofreality.gif] and nothing would be worse than his breaking out in the third (and final) year of his contract and then asking for BIG, BIG [smiley=money.gif] !  This contract 1) does not tie up much cash, moreover this year, contributing, at least in part, to the effort of putting a little more coin in Priest's pocket when he gets his extension, 2) allows them to remain committed to the Priest as their featured back while making sure to keep Larry around for year 4, the year most rookie contracts expire, yet the year when he very well will finally be called upon to take the reigns as Holmes will probably not go for more than 3 more years, 3) lets them feature Johnson only after he is really ready whenever that is, 4) limits his options after a breakout season whenever that would be to occur over the next 6 years, likely year 3 or 4 as implied above, and 5) makes him easy to move in a trade if need be, which could become a very viable option on many fronts.

That's my take.  Again, in short, though this was surely poor negotiation on the part of Johnson's agent, it's ALL GOOD from a fantasy perspective, for Priest [smiley=priest.gif] owners in the near future and for Larry [smiley=stoogelarry.gif] owners in the long-run.  With this set-up, both guys will get their opportunities to shine for full seasons and each should avoid having his stats, and thus fantasy value, significantly mitigated by the other.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Referee on Jul 19th, 2003, 11:47pm
Guys, check this thread out regarding the Priest:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1058671462.

Hmmmm... [smiley=hmmmm.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 20th, 2003, 12:15am
I saw that video earlier today and was going to post a link tonight.

Any remaining doubt I had about whether or not he was ready for training camp are allieviated... except whether or not he can take a hit and/or whether or not he plays tentatively.

Combine this with the cheap Johnson signing, and the Priest has crept into my top 4.  
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jul 20th, 2003, 9:38am
If you look real close, you'll see that is actually Larry Johnson doing all the drills, not Priest Holmes...  :o

Just kidding...  [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] ... that does a lot to alleviate some fears I had.  I think after seeing that I too put him at #4 on my cheat sheet.  But, like BG said, I really need to see him take a hit.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jul 21st, 2003, 9:08pm
KC Training camp started and here's the scoop from KFFL...


Quote:
Chiefs | Holmes Taking Part in Camp - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:45:15 -0700

ESPN reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Priest Holmes (hip) took part in training camp practice on Monday, July 21. He was limited to 25 reps during the workout, but Holmes felt he took more than that during the workouts. "I didn't see anything different in him," head coach Dick Vermeil said of Holmes' on-field work and running. Vermeil also added that Holmes didn't appear to "turn it loose 100 percent" on the field. Team president Carl Peterson was also encouraged after watching Holmes workout the last two weeks and expects him to be at full-speed come the start of the regular season. "I don't think there's any question he'll be ready to go 100 percent," Peterson said.

Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2003, 11:28pm
Well, it's currently toppin' "The REAL Feed".  It looks like WR Sylvester Morris's once apparently bright career may unfortunately be cut short.  Here's the local lowdown from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/6351429.htm.

And, no reason to be givin' KFFL credit for an ESPN report, which is ultimately derived from one of KC's local newspapers, ALL of which can be found on "the Gridiron Newsstand".  Moving right along, here are ALL the local reports on Holmes, regarding his health and attitude; IT'S ALL GOOD:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/6347531.htm;

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/6347597.htm;

http://www.chiefzone.com/stories/072103/foo_holmes.shtml.

Now, there's the meat!  Holmes maybe should be being ranked #1 again.  I, for one, have been saying to my friends all offseason that the injury may actually propel Holmes to a HUGE season this year.  You gotta' think the FIRE in his belly is burnin'.  In '02, he was within reach of the rushing title AND a couple records.  As long as your team was able to survive losing him for the final two games last season, like mine was [smiley=awwgee.gif] , it may very well pay off VERY WELL this year.  Knowing he is no spring [smiley=chicken.gif] , entering the '03 season at age 29, he's REALLY gonna' want it this year. [smiley=yes.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jul 22nd, 2003, 8:59am

on 07/21/03 at 23:28:26, StegRock wrote:
Well, it's currently toppin' "The REAL Feed".  It looks like WR Sylvester Morris's once apparently bright career may unfortunately be cut short.
 
Where was Morris on the depth chart, #5?  I think his career was pretty much done anyway.



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Holmes maybe should be being ranked #1 again.  I, for one, have been saying to my friends all offseason that the injury may actually propel Holmes to a HUGE season this year.  You gotta' think the FIRE in his belly is burnin'.  In '02, he was within reach of the rushing title AND a couple records.  As long as your team was able to survive losing him for the final two games last season, like mine was [smiley=awwgee.gif] , it may very well pay off VERY WELL this year.  Knowing he is no spring [smiley=chicken.gif] , entering the '03 season at age 29, he's REALLY gonna' want it this year. [smiley=yes.gif]

Unfortunately I was one of those who did NOT survive without him at the end of the season.  As most of my drafts will occur during or after preseason, I'll have a better idea where to rank him, but at this point it will be hard to draft him ahead of LT2, RW, or even Portis or Alexander... they're all healthy with contracts in place... and they're all studs in their own right.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:15pm
Thought I'd offer up this little nugget straight from the source on "the Gridiron Newsstand" for all you die-hards:

PRIEST WATCH

Running back Priest Holmes continues to show no signs of pain or discomfort. Holmes is being held out of blitz pickup drills and other contact drills, but he has looked good when carrying the ball in nine-on-seven and 11-on-11 situations.

Holmes even bounced up after taking his first real hit, courtesy of defensive end Eric Hicks. Hicks apparently couldn't resist laying on a hit when Holmes ran an off-tackle play in the afternoon, but it hardly mattered. Holmes popped off the ground and kept running.

In general, the coaches discourage hard hitting, but every now and then -- as was the case when Beisel laid one on Johnson -- boys will be boys.

"We want 'em to hit people, but we want 'em to try to stay off the ground," coach Dick Vermeil said. "Today, Monty Beisel all of a sudden unloads on a guy. They were going full-bore and hit each other. That's good. That's football. But if Priest is carrying the ball, that doesn't happen."

Here is a link to the whole piece; it's kind of a Chiefs notes type article:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/6361210.htm.

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Now, for a different "note" on the Chiefs,...  How about Johnny Morton?  Is he really going to fend off Boerigter?  I mean he had one of those seasons last year that's like "the beginning of the end", indicating that he will be relegated to latter-day Andre Rison, Brian Blades, Antonio Freeman, Albert Connell, Alvin Harper, etc., etc., i.e. guys who fell from grace (and in some cases "good graces") never to recapture it and off the map never to really reappear on it, status for the rest of his days.  Morton's season last year was just WAY TOO miserable to discount.  In any case, here is a local piece concerning it all:

http://www.chiefzone.com/stories/072303/foo_morton.shtml.

My take,...  Does he have some upside?  :-/  Ultimately, though,... [smiley=no.gif] [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]  Now, you make the call!
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:30pm

Quote:
Now, for a different "note" on the Chiefs,...  How about Johnny Morton?  Is he really going to fend off Boerigter?  I mean he had one of those seasons last year that's like "the beginning of the end", indicating that he will be relegated to latter-day Andre Rison, Brian Blades, Antonio Freeman, Albert Connell, Alvin Harper, etc., etc., i.e. guys who fell from grace (and in some cases "good graces") never to recapture it and off the map never to really reappear on it, status for the rest of his days.  Morton's season last year was just WAY TOO miserable to discount.  In any case, here is a local piece concerning it all:


I think Morton is DONE.  I hate to say that.  I really liked this guy in years past.  But he has fallen from grace so quickly.  I don't think he will even be the #3 guy there.   But, who knows.   I know I am scared of having any KC receiver on my team.  They are very inconsistant and you never know who the big play guy is going to be.  Last year the kick returner had the biggest game of the year.   Scarey fantasy situation there at WR.  Running back appears to be a different story........  Priest is BACK!!!
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jul 23rd, 2003, 3:22pm
After reading that article about Morton, his position coach didn't seem to be too sympathetic about his "adjustment" last year.  I'd watch carefully - it seems like Kennison will be #1, Boerigter #2, and maybe even Dante Hall at #3.  Morton has a lot of salary and could be a training camp casualty if they think Boerigter, Hall, and Minnis can pick up for him.

Would love to hear 420's take on this.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Jul 25th, 2003, 10:02am
I've now seen footage from 5 days of camp and the ONLY concern left with the Priest is contract. Barring a setback physically, the Chiefs brass will get the deal done. Priest should be back in your top 3.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jul 25th, 2003, 4:48pm
Wow... yesterday FB Tony Richardson cracks his thumb in practice and now today TE Tony Gonzalez leaves practice early with an injured ankle... Neither injury is considered serious, but I thought we were only supposed to be worried about Priest's injury during training camp!

[smiley=alcoholic.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 4th, 2003, 8:25pm
OK... First KC offensive series of the preseason and I'm sold on Priest again.   [smiley=priest.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Walker Boh on Aug 4th, 2003, 9:23pm

on 08/04/03 at 20:25:08, Philly wrote:
OK... First KC offensive series of the preseason and I'm sold on Priest again.   [smiley=priest.gif]

Based on tonight's performance, Priest has definitely moved up a few spots on my RB list. Not sure if I'd take him #1 yet, but top 5 without hesitation. It was great to see him take a few hits and get up without limping or showing any signs of pain. If attitude has anything to do with it, he'll be ready to go. When Lisa Guererro asked him what he had to do to be on the field for opening day, he said, "Get paid". I think he came across like a bit of a jackass :-X, but he made his point. The Priest is ready to go.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Aug 4th, 2003, 11:35pm
I may be splitting hairs here, but here is what i saw:
Priest looked ok. I did not see the shake and bake of last year, but saw no major hickups either. I did see him "favoring"( i would say limping, but it was only slight, and if i did i would be brutally harrassed, so i will say favoring) 2 times after he was tackled. I did not see any problems with his running though. He is still worthy of a top 5 pick and is climbing up draft boards beacuse he did nothing to "devalue" him. The Cheifs and GB OLs looked poor. As we all expected there was plenty of sloppy play by most with the exception of handful of players. Blaylock stood out as did the DEF of GB. Other than that i think Priest answered many ????s, and put his owners to ease.
Larry Johnson did nothing to impress. Too bad the game was cut short as we would have been able to see more from him.
The GB DEF looked impressive. their LBs looked fast and sharp.
Anderson looks like he coul/should be a top 6 kickers this year for fantasy owners.
Priest will be fine. I hope they let him get some more touches in the preseason so that he can get the contract he deserves!
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 5th, 2003, 12:39am
WB, I agree completely on the get paid statemnet. Not the time or place. Sure was good to see my boys back in action.

Philly, all the "talk" out of training camp is Morton is vastly improved, back in is natural spot, blah, blah, blah. My personal take is Boerigter takes the 2 spot sooner vs later. With Vermeil, he has great loyalty to his players, but doesn't hesitate to get the best ones out there on the field.  On another player, been hearing nothing but positives about Barber, and damn if didn't impress me tonight. Read on a Chiefs board I frequent  "Damn, when did Donnie Edwards learn to tackle?" Oh, yeah...
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 5th, 2003, 9:33am
Kennison looked good during his short time on the field too... could this be a break out year for him?  Morton did nothing at all despite all the hype, but Boerigter did look good again.  He caught three passes which is 15% of the total he caught all last year.  ;D

I didn't notice the limping/favoring by Priest that DOLFAN mentioned, but I could have missed it too.  I think Priest's average stats (5 carries, 14 yards) are a result of him only getting 5 carries, the GB defense looking good, and the Chief O-line not playing as well as they can.  I'm not at all worried about the stats.  His speed and quickness was there and he took the hits and kept playing.  I'd probably rank him #3 or #4 overall among the RBs (LT2, RW, Portis) overall.

The GB defense did look good.  Al Harris looked great and should help the secondary as long as he can keep stupid penalties to a minimum (which he WAS able to do with the Eagles last year).  Nick Barnett looked pretty good too, but this kid Wilkins at LB was unbelievable.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 5th, 2003, 11:42am
Kennison has a real shot at decent stats this year. A - Vermeil loves him B - he's kept his head straight now since the day he arrived from Denver and C - excluding Denver, he's been the "leading reciever on every team he's been with. Granted, some of those leading spots were not on great passing teams, but it should be noted.

Problem with Chief's recievers will once again be the number of receptions to the te and rb. Our #1 wide reciever has historically been third on the team in recieving categories.

On Morton last night, I only recall them throwing to him twice, and would classify both as bad passes, not Morton's fault.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 5th, 2003, 1:29pm

on 08/05/03 at 11:42:24, FourTwoOh wrote:
Kennison has a real shot at decent stats this year. A - Vermeil loves him B - he's kept his head straight now since the day he arrived from Denver and C - excluding Denver, he's been the "leading reciever on every team he's been with. Granted, some of those leading spots were not on great passing teams, but it should be noted.

On Morton last night, I only recall them throwing to him twice, and would classify both as bad passes, not Morton's fault.


Kennison surely was NOT the "leading receiver" with St. Louis!  But, anyway, he could have a VERY solid year.  Morton's done!  You just do not come back, no less most of the way, from that bad of a season, and Boerigter is SO PRIMED!  As for divvying out the balls, I think Priest will still get his, but Gonzalez will continue to be underutilized/phased out because of the type of offense.  He could still maybe grab 6 to 9 touchdowns, I suppose, but his yardage impact will continue to be mitigated.  On the other hand, I could see both Kennison and Boerigter having solid years, i.e. around 900 to 1,100 yards each, with Kennison's having the edge in yardage, and 14 touchdowns between them, with more going to Boerigter.

As for Priest, he looked just fine, and even though his play for bucks on the tube was not very classy or smart, his not holding out of training camp or even really threatening to and playing through the contract negotiations is pretty cool even though there are other motives at play like his proving he is healthy.  DOLFAN has drafted Larry Johnson, who, by the way, looked like Curtis Enis and Blair Thomas's poo-poo last night, every chance he's gotten (read CBFL and GBRFL), so he's a little biased.  Larry showed nothing last night to indicate anything other than that he will be another Penn State flop like we all thought until KC unexpectedly took him.  So, DF's only alternative is to find a way to knock Priest somehow. [smiley=shrug.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Aug 5th, 2003, 2:06pm
Stegey i find it funny that you say that. You basically said the same things i said...with the exception that LJ looked like Poo Poo...Go back and re-read my post. It looks like you copied what i said. I didn't knock Priest, i said he looked "fine", which is exactly what you said.
I also said that "LJ did little to impress", which is true. I don't see where you are coming from. I guess from having Priest on your roster you are a bit more defensive. Hell yeah i took LJ in both the drafts, all i can get, he is a sleeper for me. Josh Reed, Ferguson and Adrianne Peterson are too. You also stated that i am a little biased,ok whatever.
Biased on the fact that i would take the best FF RB's backup every chance i guess, of course i will. I think you are baised slamming LJ like that. I would love to have Priest on my roster, i like him. Maybe i should have said:
Priest looked like GOD. He broke tackles, ran over peaople, busted an 89 yd TD, was the second coming of Barry Sanders, looked like the Priest of OLD. He did not and nobody here said he did.
I just stated what i saw. Nothing more, nothing less. Hell i even said i hope he gets more touches in preseason so he can get his $. It seems that you are telling everyone to discount my statements because i have LJ in 2 leagues.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 5th, 2003, 2:17pm

on 08/05/03 at 13:29:39, StegRock wrote:
Kennison surely was NOT the "leading receiver" with St. Louis!  


Without looking it up, I believe his starting season there, 1996, he was in fact ahead of Bruce. Should have clarified with an "was at one point" the leading reciever on each team.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 5th, 2003, 2:34pm
DF, you (know you) are being (at least a little) tendentious here.  Here is what you wrote:


on 08/04/03 at 23:35:21, DOLFAN wrote:
I may be splitting hairs here, but here is what i saw:
Priest looked ok. I did not see the shake and bake of last year, but saw no major hickups either. I did see him "favoring"( i would say limping, but it was only slight, and if i did i would be brutally harrassed, so i will say favoring) 2 times after he was tackled. I did not see any problems with his running though. He is still worthy of a top 5 pick and is climbing up draft boards beacuse he did nothing to "devalue" him. The Cheifs and GB OLs looked poor. As we all expected there was plenty of sloppy play by most with the exception of handful of players. Blaylock stood out as did the DEF of GB. Other than that i think Priest answered many ????s, and put his owners to ease.
Larry Johnson did nothing to impress. Too bad the game was cut short as we would have been able to see more from him


I mean you are NO dummy, DF. [smiley=bow.gif] You cleverly "toed the line" here.  You avoided going out on a limb either way on anything, basically:  Priest Holmes looked "okay" and answered many of the question marks FF players have had, BUT...  LJ did nothing to impress, BUT...

I guess what I meant to say in my post was that Priest looked "fine" (meaning all healed up) with regards to his injury.  Statistically, or even just with regards to "game impact", whatever...  He touched the ball five times.  The implication (I am trying to point out, though) is that a healthy Priest is all that matters.  The "shake and bake" and the PHAT stats will come.  We just did not get a chance to see it last night.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 5th, 2003, 3:23pm

on 08/05/03 at 14:17:27, FourTwoOh wrote:
Without looking it up, I believe his starting season there, 1996, he was in fact ahead of Bruce. Should have clarified with an "was at one point" the leading reciever on each team.


Regarding Kennison, the only team he might have led in receiving was the 1999 Saints, for which he actually only caught 835 yards and 4 TD's.  In 1996, he had 924 yards and 9 TD's to Bruce's 1338 and 7.  I guess in a touchdown-only league you're right, but...  Kennison has NEVER had 1,000 yards.

ALL of that having been said, though, I like him this year to have between 950 and 1,100 yards and 5 or 6 touchdowns, a solid season.  But, I like Boerigter more in the long-run, which could come as early as halfway through this season.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 5th, 2003, 6:59pm

on 08/05/03 at 15:23:42, StegRock wrote:
Regarding Kennison, the only team he might have led in receiving was the 1999 Saints, for which he actually only caught 835 yards and 4 TD's.  In 1996, he had 924 yards and 9 TD's to Bruce's 1338 and 7.  I guess in a touchdown-only league you're right, but...  Kennison has NEVER had 1,000 yards.

ALL of that having been said, though, I like him this year to have between 950 and 1,100 yards and 5 or 6 touchdowns, a solid season.  But, I like Boerigter more in the long-run, which could come as early as halfway through this season.


Yup, cause the best that can be said about his season in Chicago is that he tied Marcus Robinson in receptions at 55. Sorry all about that little tidbit that turns out to only rhyme with tidbit's second syllable.  :-[

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gonna drive me crazy figuring out where I picked that up at
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 10th, 2003, 12:01am


Well, another limited look at Priest revealed little new. Certainly nothing to detract from his being recovered, just not enough reps to work with. Showed a real nice couple of moves on a 9 yard run, including a hard cut to his left. Nothing there in the middle running room wise in his two series.

Morton actually looked sharp! First pass his way was ruled a trap, but good hustle and separation to make the attempt. Just a few plays later, Green hooked up with him on a sweet 30 yard diving catch.

Bo and Kinnison had fairly quite nights. Bo had one potential deep pass, but he and Green were obviously not on the same page. No idea who was at fault there.

Omar Easy continues to make the most of his opportunity with T-Rich still out. Nice blocking, excellent hands. Not sure what his worth is as he'll most assuredly go back to being behind T-Rich, but impressive none the less.

Look for major improvement in run stopping and pass pressure from the Chiefs defense this year. {insert joke about how they can't get any worse here  >:( } Front 4 and linebacking corp are vastly improved. Still a suspect secondary as a whole, especially the corners. Bartee is being given every chance, but, man, I just don't see it.

No tds in the first two games is a bit of a concern, but this offense is ready to continue where they left off in the first 14 weeks last season. Get that defense up to just top  half to top third, and  this team will be making some post season noise.
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 26th, 2003, 10:33pm
Not too much news coming out regarding Gonzo's knee injury.  Here is the very short of it from "The REAL Feed":

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN2761878.htm.

And, the newly-added fan sites of "the Gridiron Newsstand" already comin' into play and makin' researchin' easier.  Here is the juice:

http://www.chiefswarpath.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?id=1061948343.

(The fan site cites KansasCity.com, but I couldn't find the article there. [smiley=whatever.gif] )
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 27th, 2003, 5:46pm
Regarding Gonzo's knee injury, we are now hearin' things like "...could be ready when the Chiefs open the regular season on September 7 against San Diego" and "...his availability for the Sept. 7 season opener with San Diego is uncertain."  Here is ALL the LATEST from "the Gridiron Newsstand" and "The REAL Feed":

The very short of it -
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN2763337.htm;

The most up-to-the-moment and thorough report including a description of what happened on the field -
http://www.chiefzone.com/stories/082703/foo_gonzalez.shtml;

Another article describing what happened -
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/6625954.htm.

Uh-oh! [smiley=scared.gif]
Title: Re: Chiefs Offseason Report
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 29th, 2003, 11:10pm
This sounds like an injury that could take two to three weeks to heal.  My guess us that he is out the first game and maybe even the second game as well.  

Who is his backup?  I think it is Dunn but I'm not sure.  If you have Gonzo, I guess you need to pick up Dunn since I think KC will throw to the TE regardless.  

While bad for Gonzo owners this may be good news for Morton and Kennison owners.  


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