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(Message started by: StegRock on Mar 24^th, 2003, 11:57pm)

Title: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 24^th, 2003, 11:57pm

First off, an extensive and intense debate regarding QB Kordell Stewart's going to Chicago and what his chances at success are is going on at the following thread:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1047600098.

Let's keep the Stewart discussion over there!

On this thread, let's announce and discuss other general and smaller news items regarding the Bears... such as the suggestion in the following article, brought to you by way of "the Gridiron Newsstand", that RB Adrian Peterson could push RB Anthony Thomas for the starting gig:

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=172011&right_include=/includes/dsp_bearsnews_module.cfm&include=&show_headline=true. [smiley=scared.gif]

Any thoughts, fellas? Probably just early offseason rhetoric to light a fire under Thomas's ass, right? [smiley=wiseguy.gif]

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 16^th, 2003, 1:34am

Da Bears 2003 Draft Preview...

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN2545265.htm

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 16^th, 2003, 7:34pm

Well, first seen on "The (up-to-the-minute) REAL Feed" and then substantiated by way of "the Gridrion Newsstand"... Da' Bears have finally given up on and officially released WR Marcus Robinson. It is the top headline on the following web page:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/.

Any ideas on where he might end up? And, do you think he can ever be really productive ever again? I, for one, think not. I think he has lost a step... or three with ALL the rather serious injuries he has sustained. I see him going the way of Herman Moore, which does mean he will linger around for a year... or three. If he does have any gas left in the tank, I think Kansas City, Minnesota or St. Louis could be among intriguing destinations.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 16^th, 2003, 7:50pm

He may sign somewhere as a 4th WR, but I don;t think he has the speed for St Louis or KC. Maybe Minnesota, but I see him going to Jacksonville or the Giants.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 18^th, 2003, 12:50am

I can see the Jets showing some interest in Robinson, Baltimore, Miami, and Cinncinnatti.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 5^th, 2003, 6:22pm

http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/overview/bears2002.html

Off-Season Overview

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 25^th, 2003, 1:59am

What are the Bears thinking?
A 12 year sponsorship to be "the Bears, sponsored by Bank One? WTF?

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2003/0624/1572282.html

Here are some confirming stories from the GRIDIRON NEWSTAND

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/

http://www.chicagobears.com/

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 25^th, 2003, 8:22am

I felt the same way when they renamed Mile High Stadium to Invesco Field at Mile High... [smiley=nono.gif] It's really sad, but by now it's to be expected... This crap is real life's version of email SPAM. There's no where to hide! Another prime example to remind us that professional sports are a business, and making money is the name of the game.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 8:30am

on 06/25/03 at 01:59:11, BarnabyWilde wrote:

I am not even going to read the stories. I prefer to sit here and think this is a hoax, or if not, hopefully the NFL will step in and stop it. Absolutely sickening to even think about.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:56pm

on 06/25/03 at 08:30:51, bgsgfan wrote:

I am not even going to read the stories. I prefer to sit here and think this is a hoax, or if not, hopefully the NFL will step in and stop it. Absolutely sickening to even think about.

bg, you, the Ayn Rand "self-motivated" capitalist at heart, saying this! [smiley=ohshit.gif] You are starting to sound like a [smiley=zenmaster.gif] ... and I LLLLLIKE IT! ;D Have you been poking around, in particular, in the Dostoevsky, Lao Tzu, Kant, Rahula, Russell, Marx, Emerson areas of my library? [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] ;)

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 3:29pm

LMAO - I knew you would eventually try to get back for my philosophy barbs.

For those who have read Ayn Rand, could you imagine "Rearden Steel sponsored by Visa"? Or better yet, could you imagine a real life character straight from Rand's fiction, lets say Papa Bear himself, George Halas condoning his Bears being renamed in this way?

There is something intensely personal about ownership. And by ownership, I don't mean the legal definition of it. I mean it in the sense that I feel the Gridiron is mine - ownership of the things that I value. That very intense feeling is betrayed by this act. This is the action of people who do not feel that same value for the Bears that their fans do.

If this story is true, it may just be the most important FF news of the year. Downgrade every Bears player! Run! Do not walk! to trade any player on your roster as soon as possible. If you are a bettor, prepare to reap a windfall betting against the Bears. Because, dear readers, attitudes from the top will seap down to the players below.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 4:08pm

Do know that I am NOT trying to "get back at you", bg! Perhaps, poke fun, I suppose, but all that from then was ALL good in my world... in my "mind". I harbor nothing! I meant what I meant VERY genuinely. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to start getting "teachy-preachy" right now. Suffice it to say, I know Ayn Rand somewhat. Are you up on your Russell yet? Learned about The Conquest of Happiness?

But, I digress! Yous all KNOW how much I LOVE [smiley=smitten.gif] my Gridiron [smiley=newbie.gif] that I have created here from my loins. That is not to say, that by way of my free will, I will not come to a "heartfelt" decision that "the Gridiron" is better off with sponsors. It does not mean the decision is ultimately the "best" or the "correct" one as we don't know the future, a necessary factor of "free will", but that doesn't mean I can't perceive it as being the best move at the time. Being the poor rat-bast that I am, making NOTHING off this and yet having to work doubly hard because of a lack of fundage, I can definitely see how sponsorship would change my world (for better or worse I don't know) and "potentially" allow me to attain heights I cannot even imagine now given the VERY thin wallet I am working with. Of course, on the other hand, that would make me accountable to a detached third-party entity, which is why I have not done so yet and am going about things very patiently and methodically. I will NEVER put myself in a situation where I have to answer to someone who does not understand the inner-workings of this place. Point being, that second paragraph of yours, bg, though I like, understand and agree with the "spirit" of it, does not hold water logically when considering all the different kinds of people that exist in the world. What seems like betrayal to you, may not to me at all and may to someone else to a degree somewhere in between. It is just too contingent on a subjective generalization.

Okay, I couldn't help myself. [smiley=awwgee.gif] God, I can't wait to get back to grad school and be in my element! :)

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 4:30pm

on 06/25/03 at 16:08:17, StegRock wrote:

...though I like, understand and agree with the "spirit" of it...

Point of clarification, in case this segment above is confusing, what I mean, bg, is that regarding this I tend to agree with you, BUT I can definitely see, "with and within reason", someone's not agreeing with us. To claim otherwise is to speak too broadly and absolutely. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 4:49pm

on 06/25/03 at 16:08:17, StegRock wrote:

Do know that I am NOT trying to "get back at you", bg! Perhaps, poke fun, I suppose, but all that from then was ALL good in my world... in my "mind". I harbor nothing!

NO no no - I had a grin the moment I saw your post. I enjoy our philosophical differences - which really aren't that great. I think you are a kindred spirit who just doesn't realize it yet. I just know that every once in a while I like to poke fun at Eastern philosophy in particular and philosophy in general (including the study of) - and if I were you I would be looking for areas to poke fun back.

Quote:

Are you up on your Russell yet? Learned about The Conquest of Happiness?

No. :( (lmao - obviously not up on Happiness yesterday) I have it on my reading list though - and I will get to it.

Quote:

What seems like betrayal to you, may not to me at all and may to someone else to a degree somewhere in between. It is just too contingent on a subjective generalization.

Oh man, Steg. Regardless of any type of political or philosophical theories or whatever.... this is DA BEARS! I mean, good lord next thing you know the Statue of Liberty will have a sponser! This is sacriligeous! The madness has to stop. Were you not the one who talked about the "right"ness of things?

If Bank One is truelly made up of Bears fans they won't do this.

BTW - I still think this is a hoax. I refuse to look up the links and find out that it may be true.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jun 25^th, 2003, 6:24pm

So, how 'bout dem Bears...?

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 25^th, 2003, 6:26pm

Bears presented by BankOne ya schmuck! :P

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 8:14pm

on 06/25/03 at 16:49:35, bgsgfan wrote:

Generally, I think all of us who originally came over here and stuck around are of a similar mold even if I don't seem to honor or see your and my kindredness sufficiently (which I may not :-[ , but am trying to :D ). That is why we are all here. It is just that when you speak about philosophy, which it seems you at least occasionally like to do, it would be nice to see you not be so apparently "unilateral" in your Ayn Rand position and be more, well, "multilateral". [smiley=howtoput.gif]

As for the issue of the Bears and all of sports in America slowly going in the direction of "capitalizing" on corporate dollars, though I TOTALLY identify with whence you are coming because I too as an American hold certain institutions and traditions dear, MOST professional leagues around the world exist ONLY because of corporate sponsors. Almost ALL professional sports teams abroad are "sponsored by a corporation, company or club" rather than "hosted by a city", which is the American tradition. In Korea's major league baseball league, it is the OB Bears, the Lotte Giants, the Samsung Unicorns, etc., etc., and it works. ALL OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, ultimately, with regards to your mentioning my striving for "rightness", this is NOT really an issue of "right" or "wrong", i.e. a real moral/ethical issue. It's not going to be the Bank One Bears, anyway, but even if it was, this is far from being a crucial moral dilemma, though it may be a sad commentary on our capitalist society and the direction we are headed in. :'(

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 8:49pm

C'mon Steg. I have pushed and I have prodded and you are almost there. It IS a moral issue.

How dare they consider doing this?

How dare you possibly even think of a corporate sponsorship and not just working harder so us poor unfortunates can enjoy this site without outside interference?

You and I DO agree more than you think, brother.

Really, the only complicating issue here is thinking about the fact that the Bears (sponsored by Bank One or otherwise) are part of an organization called the NFL.

Quote:

It is just that when you speak about philosophy, which it seems you at least occasionally like to do, it would be nice to see you not be so apparently "unilateral" in your Ayn Rand position and be more, well, "multilateral".

I went through an exploratory phase in my life. i came out with certain tendencies. I am willing to constantly challenge my beliefs, however, and hopefully adjust presented adequate reasons. After reaching a certain age, maturity, stubborn-ness, I am getting more reluctant to delve into new ideas - but hopefully I will never completely stagnate (i.e. I will check out your suggestions).

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 11:06pm

on 06/25/03 at 20:49:05, bgsgfan wrote:

It IS a moral issue.

I am supposing you mean in the "bigger" systemic sense. I mean it's like my take on the abortion issue. It's not right objectively speaking and the pro-choice position is philosophically and logically silly, but to expect people to live according to a pro-life/anti-abortion line in today's world, not just in America, is not really reasonable at best, simply preposterous at worst. It's not about succumbing to a hedonistic "human nature"; it's not about selling out on "the ideal" (in both senses of the word); it's about living in this day and age and not being miserable, making a reasonable, mindful and thoughtful compromise, one that still allows you to basically maintain your conviction, but to a degree that permits you to maintain your sanity and general happiness as well. Ultimately, we have to live in "today" since the wheels of change grind away at an extremely slow pace, but with an eye towards "tomorrow" so as to propel that wheel in the right direction. [smiley=yinandyang.gif]

Other than that, ... [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 26^th, 2003, 9:04am

Totally different sidetrack here, but its amazing how we get to the same conclusion from 2 totally different lines of reasoning. I believe there cannot be any compromise on a moral issue. Abortion is wrong. The less of it, the better. How do you get less of it? That I don't know, but legislation is not the answer (IMHO), and neither is killing abortion Dr.s, or vilifying the would be mothers.

Anyhow, all I was trying to do is say that it is your right to do with this website what you want. It is not only your right, it is right to work your ass off to achieve your vision.

I was just playing devil's advocate by taking the opposite stance (to the best of my ability) and see if I could force someone to think. I should have dropped it when I saw that it was you, but for some reason that just made me push harder.

I wanted you to get to the point where you said, "Dammit bg, I am going to make this be what I want it to be and the world be damned if it gets in my way." By saying that you would see where the Bears organization is.

Sometimes you seem to get so close, but then you get that whole middle of the road thing going and you fall away. I don't see this as a subjective issue at all - its the Bear's organization's right to change their name in any way they see fit - and right for them to push to achieve their vision, to grow, to achieve.

BTW - should all of this stay here in the Red Zone?

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 26^th, 2003, 11:43am

Gentleman--

How bout DA BEARS!!! (sponsed by BankOne)

**This post sponsored by NexTel.....

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 26^th, 2003, 12:44pm

on 06/26/03 at 09:04:45, bgsgfan wrote:

BTW - should all of this stay here in the Red Zone?

Digressions are fine after the fact. Ultimately, based on the topic of the thread, someone will eventually "bring it back around", AND, might I add, to your and my credit, we did typically bring our discourse back to the Bears situation in the end(s) (of most of our posts).

...

This post was brought to you by Hyundai, boasting the best automobile warranty in the business: 10 years/100,000 miles. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 26^th, 2003, 4:15pm

on 06/26/03 at 09:04:45, bgsgfan wrote:

...but its amazing how we get to the same conclusion from 2 totally different lines of reasoning.

bg, (as you probably already grok) that is because "the truth" (of something, of this or that) does NOT change; it is what it is; whereas, perspectives do change, or should I say, vary; they are the gray; the truth (of something, of this or that) is actually quite black-and-white, and you and I, my friend, are seekers of the truth and that is where our kindredness lies, I believe, and how we can come to the same conclusion despite each of us taking totally different paths. Hypothetically, if "the truth" were "4", I, a lover of symmetry, may see it as 2 + 2; you, who appreciates coloring outside the lines, may perceive it as 3 + 1; another very creative soul may see it as -47 + 51, and another person thinking totally out of the box may see it as 2 X 2, which, given these circumstances, is ironically quite similar to seeing it as 2 + 2. But, whatever, "the truth", the "answer", remains "4" in all cases.

Okay, enough talking to myself... [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]

This post was brought to you by Capital One... What's in your wallet?

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 26^th, 2003, 6:49pm

on 06/26/03 at 16:15:58, StegRock wrote:

[smiley=bow.gif] I might just have that done up in calligraphy and framed. Beautiful! (absolutely no sarcasm intended here)

BTW - I am a big Heinlein fan also - I love it when we grok an issue together.

And the sponsorship lines brought me to my kness. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Who's gonna carry the ball? STALEY??
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 11^th, 2003, 7:59pm

Well....Chicago is flying with rumors. Is Adrian Peterson going to pass A-Train on the depth charts? He started the first preseason game. And he posted decent numbers. BUT, their may be someone else in the mix.

Duce Staley
http://www.suntimes.com/output/bears/cst-spt-mully10.html

One team's reject can become another's treasure. It was interesting, probably only in that context, that the Philadelphia Eagles had a scout at the game. But dreamers in the crowd should know that Staley might be available, and we're not talking about the new team mascot for your next children's party.

Duce may be a good fit. Be a perfect dump off for Kordell Stewart.

or a little snipet from Fanball:

[i] the word on the street is that the Bears still aren't satisfied with their running back corps and are still looking around to make a trade or sign someone.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Aug 12^th, 2003, 11:09pm

I didn't read anything into that article except one reporters opinion. 15 teams were there, but since the Eagles were there all of a sudden Staley is on the trading block? I don't think he fits CHI offense to start with, but does fit well for the Bucs. Next with Staley holding out and his past injuries issues would they want him, if he was traded would he still hold out?
Does this also mean that CHI is looking at Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent, just because they both are free agents next year too? I think if CHI had RB concerns they would ahve snagged one during the draft since all the "decent" RBs fell that far.
I just think it's something for the guy to write about to get his story read since there was nothing else to write about. I don't know how the RB seen will pan out. I do own AP in the GBRFL and would like to see him be the guy, but the biggest issue last year was the decimation of both the DL and OL which lead to poor overall RB stats.
Just my 2 cents.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 13^th, 2003, 3:37am

That article was one guys opinion. HOWEVER, that man's opinion was also mentioned by Fanball. It was also mentioned in numerous other artilcles in the Chicago media. I am just telling you that is a rumor running rampant in the Chicago media. If you think about it, it makes sense. Chicgo could use a back like Duce. In addition, would you feel comfortable handing the ball over to a guy who has not proved himself yet in Peterson.

What doesn't make sense is your logic that Taylor and Vincent would be traded. They are not holding out.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 13^th, 2003, 10:05am

First of all, get over the fact that Duce was injured a few years ago. There are no lingering effects of that injury and he played very well last year. Duce is still a viable back in the NFL. There are very few backs who block as well as he does and very few who can catch the ball as well as he does.

Secondly, if the Eagles are going to do anything with Staley in the near future, it will be to trade him to any team OTHER than the Bucs. The Bears makes some sense because they have commodities that the Eagles may want in return - WRs (Dez White or David Terrell).

But, that being said, the Eagles will probably not trade Staley. Staley will most likely end his holdout (because he is not in a position of any power right now) and report to camp sometime after the 2nd preseason game. If he doesn't the Eagles seem content to sit tight and let him stay home.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 13^th, 2003, 10:15am

I don't think there is any doubt Duce is healthy......

The question is what are the Eagles gonna do with him. I too believe that the Eagles will do nothing with him. He either shows up to camp or he doesn't.

However, there rumors that he will go to Chicago. The press is reporting this rumor. And when you think about it, it makes sense. It would be good for Chicago, and the Eagles would benefit from it. (the Bears have some D-Lineman and wide receivers and draft picks)

They are not going to cut him because they DON'T want the Bucs to have him.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Aug 13^th, 2003, 10:36pm

WEll, Westbrook hurt his knee today. Its not season ending, but surely gives Duce some leverage now. If the Eagles do trade him to CHI, or anyone else, I think it would be a mistake because if Westbrook or Buck go down they have nothing after that.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 14^th, 2003, 9:06am

on 08/13/03 at 22:36:35, DOLFAN wrote:

I just discussed this in the Eagles thread, but Sports Radio WIP in Philadelphia this morning mentioned information heard from the Eagles beat reporter (Mark Eckel of the Trenton Times) that the Eagles may be discussing a Staley for A-Train trade.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Report
Post by Coachnorm on Aug 29^th, 2003, 3:02pm

non-verifyed at this point.

Bears just announced LG Rex Tucker tore ligaments in his ankle and will have surgery next week. No time table as of now.

Title: Re: Bears Offseason Reporthttp://sports.yahoo.com/
Post by Coachnorm on Aug 30^th, 2003, 5:35pm

link for previous post
:)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanball-bearsguardtuckerhast&prov=fanball&type=lgns