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(Message started by: merillon on Aug 5th, 2003, 5:59pm)
Title: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by merillon on Aug 5th, 2003, 5:59pm
I'm in a 3-player keeper league that already drafted. I have Matt Hasselbeck and another team is offering me Trent Green and their 3rd round pick next year for him. Would you do it?

Scoring is standard 1pt/25 pass yards, 6pts/TD, 2pts/conversion, 1pt/10rushyrds
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 5th, 2003, 8:29pm

on 08/05/03 at 17:59:46, merillon wrote:
I'm in a 3-player keeper league that already drafted. I have Matt Hasselbeck and another team is offering me Trent Green and their 3rd round pick next year for him. Would you do it?

Scoring is standard 1pt/25 pass yards, 6pts/TD, 2pts/conversion, 1pt/10rushyrds



This is a NO brainer!!  Pull the trigger and pull it  quickly!!
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by StegRock on Aug 5th, 2003, 8:45pm
Do as Double D advises... LIKE NOW, merillon!
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by DOLFAN on Aug 5th, 2003, 11:15pm
Even though Hassy has better wrs i too would pull the trigger as long as your backup QB does not have the same bye week. If that is the case then do the deal and start looking for another trade to get a QB with another bye week.
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 6th, 2003, 9:23am
I would do it as well, Trent is due for a solid season.
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by komments on Aug 7th, 2003, 1:44pm
Let me take a contrarian view.  Green IS primed for a big season.  But so is Hasselbeck.  Between weeks 9 and 17 of last year, Hass was a top 3 QB (of course this depends entirely on scoring system):

HAFA X Player Stats
===================
2002 Wk#8 through Wk#17
* indicates the player is available
                                                                       
Sort by:Fantasy Points/Passing Yards                                    
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                         Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush Rush Rush    FFL
#   Quarterback      NFL  Cmp  Att Yrds  TDs  Int  Att  Yds  TDs    Pts
-- - ---------------- --- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ------
1   VICK,MICHAEL     ATL  163  310 2172   12    8   82  500    6 277.10
2   CULPEPPER,DAUNTE MIN  191  318 2291   11   11   69  423    6 270.85
3   HASSELBECK,MATT  SEA  242  382 2897   13   10   36  191    1 269.95
4   MANNING,PEYTON   IND  243  365 2616   17   11   28  101    1 266.10
5   KITNA,JON        CIN  222  360 2576   15    9   20   51    4 253.80
6   GANNON,RICH      OAK  239  359 2641   12    4   30   99    2 252.95
7   PENNINGTON,CHAD  NYJ  203  294 2207   19    3   26   37    2 241.15
8   GARCIA,JEFF      SF   218  353 2198   15    6   49  219    1 234.80
9   MCNAIR,STEVE     TEN  160  276 1916   13    6   59  322    2 225.00
10   COLLINS,KERRY    NYG  205  342 2511   14    6   26    1    0 222.45
11   BLAKE,JEFF       ARI  165  295 2084   13   11   39  106    1 210.20
12   BRADY,TOM        NE   203  341 2015   14    5   32   74    1 205.75
13   GREEN,TRENT      KC   151  256 2034   11    5   17   96    1 200.30

Over the last six weeks (12-17), he was the top-rated passer, outscoring Green (in HAFAX scoring) by over 50 points.  That is quite a bit to give up for what is essentially a sixth round pick.

1   HASSELBECK,MATT  SEA  157  252 2062   12    7   23  149    1 218.00
2   CULPEPPER,DAUNTE MIN  129  214 1542    8    7   41  294    5 196.50
3   VICK,MICHAEL     ATL  100  193 1387    9    6   48  321    2 177.45
4   GREEN,TRENT      KC   106  179 1436   10    3   10   38    0 152.60
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by komments on Aug 7th, 2003, 1:48pm
As an addendum, I currently have Hasselbeck ranked 7th in my QB rankings (http://www.fantasyasylum.com/targetstats/expertrankings.php?position=QB&ranker=250).  I have Green at 9th.
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by Philly on Aug 7th, 2003, 3:39pm

on 08/07/03 at 13:48:32, komments wrote:
As an addendum, I currently have Hasselbeck ranked 7th in my QB rankings (http://www.fantasyasylum.com/targetstats/expertrankings.php?position=QB&ranker=250).  I have Green at 9th.


Thanks for the link.  That sheds a little light on your Warner discussion in the other thread. [smiley=gotanidea.gif]  I find your rankings very interesting... you are very sour on Brady (because of a shoulder injury which I have been unable to find mention of anywhere - link?) and even have Jake Delhomme ahead of him.   [smiley=ohshit.gif]

As you are well aware, Brady lead the league in passing TDs--albeit only 28--last season.  There's no reason to think that he can't be as (if not more) successful this year.  He has a healthy Troy Brown returning.  Deion Branch and Daniel Graham are back with an added year of experience.  Bethel Johnson adds speed to an already speedy WR corps.  Christian Fauria showed that he is still a weapon in the NE offense.  And Kevin Faulk (a much better receiver than Antowain Smith) is getting lots of reps with the first team offense in training camp.

I have no dispute with your assessment of Hasselbeck, who I think will have an outstanding season (probably very similar stat-wise to Trent Green).  But I think you are overvaluing Warner and short-changing Brady a bit.
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by komments on Aug 7th, 2003, 3:58pm
http://www.bostonherald.com/sport/patriots/pats08022003.htm

The original article mentioned that Brady was struggling with the deep ball (a feature the Patriots insist they are adding to the offense) and that he was "managing" his shoulder problems.  

Brady separated the AC joint late last year and opted NOT to have surgery.  
Click Here (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanball-patriotsisbradydamag&prov=fanball&type=lgns) to read more.

The original Herald article is now archived and I am not going to pay for it but his shoulder problem has been reported.  Also, look at how Brady finished.

GAMEDATE        Opp        RESULT        GS        Att        Comp        Pct        Yds        TD        Int        Rate        Sac        Yds        Att        Yds        Avg        Lg        TD        Fum        Rec
11/28      @Detroit      W 20-12      Yes      30      18      60.0      210      0      1      67.4      0      0      4      12      3.0      8      0      0      0
12/08      Buffalo      W 27-17      Yes      27      15      55.6      183      2      0      101.3      0      0      5      -5      -1.0      0      0      1      0
12/16      @Tennessee      L 7-24      Yes      29      14      48.3      134      0      1      47.2      3      17      2      10      5.0      10      1      0      0
12/22      New York      L 17-30      Yes      37      19      51.4      133      1      1      57.6      2      14      4      24      6.0      15      0      0      0
12/29      Miami      W 27-24      Yes      44      25      56.8      221      1      1      68.5      1      5      4      8      2.0      4      0      1      0

As a former Michigan player, I am rooting for him.  As a fantasy analyst, I am tempering my expectations.  I hate it when a player opts to forego surgery that a doctor recommends (see my ranking of Boston last season).
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by komments on Aug 7th, 2003, 4:09pm
That's ugly - let's try it this way:

Detroit  18-30-1 210 yards 0 TDs
Buffalo 15-27-0 183 yards 2 TDs
Tennessee 14-29-1 134 yards 0 TDs
New York 19-37-1 133 yards 1 TD
Miami 25-44-1 221 yards 1 TD

This means in his last five games last year he averaged 176 yards per game passing, .8 TDs and .8 picks.  Hardly impressive numbers.

By contrast, in his first five games he threw for 13 TDs and just six picks.  He also had three 3-TD games in November.  I just don't trust him since the injury.
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by Philly on Aug 7th, 2003, 4:09pm
[smiley=thumbsup.gif] on the links... the first one merely talks about the backup QBs and not about any injury - just an implication that Brady is not throwing the ball deep well.

The second one (fanball via Yahoo) was more informative.  I hadn't seen that one anywhere before.  I can't say it really changes things for me too much though.  I'll have to see him struggle in some game action before I drop him in my rankings.
Title: Re: Trent + Pick for Hasselbeck
Post by komments on Aug 7th, 2003, 4:11pm
Look at his numbers from his last five 2002 regular season games - I think those indicate the struggle.


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