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(Message started by: Philly on Sep 9^th, 2003, 10:44pm)

Title: Trade Offer...
Post by Philly on Sep 9^th, 2003, 10:44pm

An owner in my league has McNabb as his #1 QB and is a McNabb hater (Skins fan). He is looking to unload McNabb.

I offered him:
Tommy Maddox, Torry Holt, and Redskins Def/ST

in return for him sending me:
Donovan McNabb, Hines Ward, and Steelers Def/ST

I think I would be getting the better of this deal. I'm a little bit weak at defense (although I'm hoping to grab Buffalo tomorrow off waivers) but am solid everywhere else. He has a pretty weak team and has been known to make some silly decisions/trades in the past as he allows his Redskin bias to cloud his judgment a bit, so hopefully he'll go for this.

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by StegRock on Sep 9^th, 2003, 11:11pm

Don't quite know what the question is here. But, in any event, if you can get him to go for this, it would be a real coup... for you. ;)

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by ColaSteeler on Sep 9^th, 2003, 11:20pm

I agree with Steg - if he goes for it, you come out on top!!!

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Philly on Sep 10^th, 2003, 7:22am

I've got the bait on the hook... he's nibbling, but not biting yet...

Quote:

Let me think about it. Maybe Ok. I'm not to sure how the Skins "D" will hold up.

So I tried to sell Maddox as a QB who overcame the great odds of the Raven defense to put up really good numbers this week, and how Holt will be even better when he gets a healthy, non-"goofy" QB in the fold. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 10^th, 2003, 9:45am

Good luck Philly, keep us posted!!

This is definitely in your favor, so I hope he bites.

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by CoachH on Sep 10^th, 2003, 12:01pm

;DYou are definitely getting the better end of this deal :D

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Philly on Sep 10^th, 2003, 10:29pm

I've hooked this fish... [smiley=fish.gif]

Now I just have to hope none of the other owners feel sorry for the guy getting such a raw deal. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Philly on Sep 11^th, 2003, 3:38pm

on 09/10/03 at 22:29:25, Philly wrote:

I've hooked this fish... [smiley=fish.gif]

Now I just have to hope none of the other owners feel sorry for the guy getting such a raw deal. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Five protests would kill this deal and I've got six already. :'(

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Razzak on Sep 11^th, 2003, 3:47pm

on 09/11/03 at 15:38:14, Philly wrote:

Five protests would kill this deal and I've got six already. :'(

Can't say I disagree. Ward and Holt are about even, and McNabb's tons better than Maddox. Maddox & Holt for McNabb might be more fair. And do whatever you want with the defenses.

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by StegRock on Sep 11^th, 2003, 4:58pm

on 09/11/03 at 15:38:14, Philly wrote:

Five protests would kill this deal and I've got six already. :'(

Voting on trades in fantasy football is gay! Be men about it! Voting on trades equates to putting someone's intellect and ability to a vote; voting against a trade is like telling the guy he is stupid and incompetent. In 15 years of playing fantasy football, I've never played in a league with such a rule. In any event, that trade is not even that out-of-line. How do you guys get any trading done?

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Sep 11^th, 2003, 6:30pm

on 09/11/03 at 16:58:12, StegRock wrote:

Of course TOTAL obstruction of trading isn't the best idea, because you will always get the occasional moron who will trade McNabb for Rob Johnson. Then again, if you're in a money league, people take that shit seriously...

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Callie on Sep 11^th, 2003, 6:34pm

If you want to help your cause, tell the guy that Maddox has an easy schedule against the pass and Burress and Ward to throw to. Tell him that McNabb has a tough schedule. All true. He probably already knows that the Redskins line is porous, but I liked the lure of the Redskins for a Redskins fan.

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Callie on Sep 11^th, 2003, 6:36pm

One more thing. Last year I had Holt and could count on the running joke that Holt was always good for 80 yards and no touchdowns. He may remember that, too. But remind him that Holt looks like he'll be very much better for fantasy owners this year. By the way, I think you offered a reasonable trade and an intelligent one.

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Philly on Sep 12^th, 2003, 11:13am

This has caused quite a stir in my league as it is the first trade that was protested in our 6 years. There have been others that were lopsided, but managed to go through.

Anyway, the real reason behind the protests (I think) came down to the fact that my team was a juggernaut already and people feared that this would make me almost unbeatable.

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by StegRock on Sep 12^th, 2003, 1:34pm

on 09/12/03 at 11:13:04, Philly wrote:

Anyway, the real reason behind the protests (I think) came down to the fact that my team was a juggernaut already and people feared that this would make me almost unbeatable.

[smiley=soapboxer.gif]

That's not a valid reason! I hope these dudes are not the kinds of dudes that support government deregulation, and, uniequivocally, First Amendment arguments over arguments for social responsibility and sacrifice. If so, these dudes are inconsistent in their paradigms: this is what's good for society, but not for me. I know I am extrapolating the logic here out a bit far, but what you explain above is FF Communism!

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by Razzak on Sep 12^th, 2003, 4:01pm

on 09/12/03 at 13:34:12, StegRock wrote:

I know I am extrapolating the logic here out a bit far, but what you explain above is FF Communism!

Steg, I'm curious. In your opinion does the salary cap equate to football communism? Why should the league punish those teams who have created larger markets? (Green Bay, SF, Chicago, NYG, Dallas)

If this is a redraft league, could you tell us the rounds the players were taken in? If McNabb was in the 1st and Maddox was in the 2nd (cough cough) and Holt and Ward were near each other you might be able to argue it's a fair trade. But if not, and that's what I suspect, I'm not sure you can get a trade like this to go through in week 1. Maybe try again in week 5 if McNabb is still struggling.

Title: Re: Trade Offer...
Post by StegRock on Sep 12^th, 2003, 4:33pm

Razz, first, I'm not totally espousing my philosophy here as much as I am pointing out potential/possible inconsistencies in theirs (granted, I don't even know them, though). But, I digress... I am not a through-and-through capitalist pig. Capitalism, especially our brand, has its ills/is on a dangerous course/might have served its historical purpose in the evolution of world economics and may now be on the verge of "maxxing out" (quite ironically)! In any event, though, markets are not something completely, or even for the most part, attributable to or commensurate with a team's efforts. Some cities are just bigger and more populous; cities on the coasts tend to be richer, etc., etc. As such, since this is NOT a facet inherently attributable to or commensurate with the efforts of a team, I have absolutely NO problem with the salary cap. I think it is a great thing, actually. Football has such a better state of affairs than baseball, which is run according to much more of a dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest mentality. But, in any event, how this all relates to fantasy football is yet another thing. Fantasy football "economics" is a VERY different beast, and the "philosophies" of NFL economics specifically and fantasy football rules specifically have little to no relation, at least with respect to what is herein being discussed.