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(Message started by: BarnabyWilde on Sep 12^th, 2003, 6:43pm)

Title: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 12^th, 2003, 6:43pm

After an impressive defensive performance that included six sacks of Ram's quarterback Kurt Warner, six forced fumbles, an interception and a touchdown in their 23-13 win over St. Louis, the Giants get the Tuna and the rest of the Dallas Cowboys on Monday Night Football.

Welcome home Bill. Get ready for your whuppin'. [smiley=takinyours.gif]

Quarterback:

Kerry Collins and the Giants offense started slow last week, but the weapons are all in place. Collins threw for 200 yards and no touchdowns, but no picks either. He'll do better this week against the tough but young Cowboy secondary.

Collins: 275 yards, 2 tds, 1 int

Runningbacks:
Tiki Barber leads the NFL in rushing after one week with his 146 yard performance. I was scratching my head when Fassel gave Brian Mitchell the touchdown carry at the one yard line (his only carry of the game), but, oh well. You will see plenty of Tiki this week.

Barber: 125 yards rush, 25 yards receiving, 1 rush td
Joyce: 10 yards rushing
Levens: If active, 10 yards rushing
Dayne: One sprint to the bench

Wide Receivers

The big three will have to be on top of their game vs the young, quick Dallas D.

Amani Toomer: 95 yards
Ike Hilliard: 85 yards, 1 td
Jeremy Shockey: 50 yards, 1 td
Tim Carter: 20 yards

Kicking:

Matt Bryant kicked three last week, no reason he could not do it again this week, especially on MNF. But he won't.

Bryant: 3-3 XP, 2-2 FG

Defense

Watching the Giants D last week, I was impressed onhow fast they looked. They were all over Kurt Warner, held Marshall Faulk to less that 40 yards and the Rams O to only one touchdown. I think Quincy Carter will be running for his life this Monday night.

They'd be a good start this week.

Final Score: Giants 27,Cowboys 10

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by nicklaus on Sep 12^th, 2003, 8:34pm

Don't agree. I see this being a low scoring game with a few defensive scores for each team. No way will Collins throw for 275 in this one. 16-13...Giants win one the hard way. [smiley=pimpin.gif]

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by StegRock on Sep 12^th, 2003, 9:01pm

on 09/12/03 at 20:34:23, nicklaus wrote:

Don't agree. I see this being a low scoring game with a few defensive scores for each team. No way will Collins throw for 275 in this one. 16-13...Giants win one the hard way. [smiley=pimpin.gif]

A FEW defensive scores... ::)

And, why not Kerry throwin' for 275? Doug Johnson threw for 228 against them in Dallas last week!

However, I will say this... I could see its being a 16-13 game as easily as its being a 27-10 game.

BW's analysis may be "optimistic", but it is thorough, substantial and substantive! [smiley=bow.gif] One-line comebacks are easy and typically lack substance. :-/

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Philly on Sep 13^th, 2003, 7:16pm

on 09/12/03 at 21:01:24, StegRock wrote:

A FEW defensive scores... ::)

Sure, 2 safeties and 3 field goals gives the Cowboys their 13... 3 safeties, a TD w/ PAT, and a field goal gives the Giants their 16... sounds logical to me. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Callie on Sep 13^th, 2003, 8:17pm

Of course the G-men are underrated - THEY PLAY IN NEW YORK!! Some wonks see them in the Superbown this year....Could happen...

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Callie on Sep 13^th, 2003, 8:19pm

Superbowl. Typo. I use a laptop at home. Screwy keyboard.... But you get the idea.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Noey21 on Sep 15^th, 2003, 1:33pm

Very good analysis.
However, you all are over estimating the dallas offense. The only way the get to ten points is if they have a defensive touchdown or get a few turnovers and long kickoff returns to set up 4 field goals.

The dallas team is not very good as shown by their season opener debacle. It is scary to think how bad the cowgirls would have lost if Vick had been happy.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by nicklaus on Sep 15^th, 2003, 11:36pm

Well, I was dead on with my prediction of a few defensive scores. I got ripped for that one. Looks like some of those one sentence messages aren't so bad after all. And the Dallas offense is better than most of us thought. :D

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 15^th, 2003, 11:56pm

on 09/15/03 at 23:36:31, nicklaus wrote:

No shit! [smiley=bullseye.gif] I am going to Reno this weekend, got any picks nicklaus? [smiley=crystalball.gif]

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by StegRock on Sep 16^th, 2003, 12:04am

GREAT call, nicklaus! [smiley=bow.gif] You were right [smiley=bullseye.gif] !

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 16^th, 2003, 12:08am

But you can throw your low score prediction out the window, Giants just tied it 29-29! [smiley=headbanger.gif]

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 16^th, 2003, 12:36am

Oh yeah, one more thing...

Collins: 265 yards, 3 tds, one int

My prediction: 275 yards, 2 td, one int.

hmmm... [smiley=thinking.gif]

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Tony_O on Sep 16^th, 2003, 1:19am

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!

Hell Yeah! Finally after being robbed twice last year and almost a third time tonight, the BOYS come thru with a VICTORY! [smiley=flipa.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=cheers.gif] [smiley=victory.gif] [smiley=cantcatch.gif] [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

Sleep well Jimbo!

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Razzak on Sep 16^th, 2003, 4:29am

Suicide leagues this year must be rough.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Philly on Sep 16^th, 2003, 8:28am

on 09/16/03 at 04:29:48, Razzak wrote:

Suicide leagues this year must be rough.

Yeah, the one I run lost 8 of the 10 members in week one with the Miami-Houston game, and lost the other this weekend with Tampa-Carolina. I won the pool in just 2 weekends. I went Carolina over Jax in week one and Oakland over Cincinnati in week two. Sweet!

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by muzz on Sep 16^th, 2003, 9:17am

I remember someone saying get ready for your whuppin'

So the rest of it is shit imo......
Giants lose.......

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 16^th, 2003, 9:20am

First off Tony, I don't lose sleep over football games.

Secondly Todd, I call them as I see them. Dallas has a fairly young but very fast defense, and I figured Collins would have a few problems behind that terrible line. Therefore, I gave him middle of the road numbers this week. Think you could do better? Go ahead. My numbers for Collins will be predicted by the opponent's defensive ranking, the health of the Giants offensive players, and Collins past performance versus those teams.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 16^th, 2003, 9:21am

It's a good thing I don't really care about your opinion muzz. We are not talking wins and losses here, we are looking at it from a FANTASY standpoint.

on 09/16/03 at 09:17:47, muzz wrote:

I remember someone saying get ready for your whuppin'

So the rest of it is shit imo......
Giants lose.......

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Philly on Sep 16^th, 2003, 9:38am

on 09/16/03 at 09:17:47, muzz wrote:

I remember someone saying get ready for your whuppin'

So the rest of it is shit imo......
Giants lose.......

One of the best things about this forum is that people can criticize and not get flamed to death for it, provided it is a valid criticism that shows some thought.

BW puts it out there every week with his fantasy analysis and opens himself to the criticism without complaint. I hate the Giants and will be the first to admit that I love to see BW's hopeful predictions crash and burn. I may comment on his predictions and toss a few barbs in his direction, but I'll always respect him for taking the chance and opening himself up for criticism.

Why don't you walk your talk muzz, and do a weekly fantasy analysis of your team, obviously the Cowboys? In the long run, you'll see just how difficult it is and you'll also earn a lot of respect for "putting it out there" like that.

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by muzz on Sep 16^th, 2003, 10:09am

I do put out my ideas, and I DO tell it like it is when I am wrong also (I started a thread on my bad calls Sunday night in another forum).

Lets jump on someone who called someone out on something.
Yeah that makes sense....
I don't remember anyone getting FLAMED to death either, if you think that was flaming you don't spend alot of time in forums.
My team is not the Cowboys, tbo I could gas what the 'Boys do, I just loved watching them beat the Giants is all.
My Team is the Pats who got the snot kicked out of them in week 1, where they looked like a Junior Varsity HS team going against the Buckeyes.
I am aware of how difficult it is to predict whats gonna happen in a game, that doesn't make someone that attempts it my hero.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Philly on Sep 16^th, 2003, 10:38am

on 09/16/03 at 10:09:15, muzz wrote:

It's just that you were disrespecting BW with that post, in my opinion. I'm not saying he should be your hero and I don't think your post was a flame. I was actually defending your right to criticize and comparing this forum to many of the others I've seen where flaming is more important, or prevalent at least, than insightful fantasy discussions. I was just defending the efforts (or shit, as you put it) of BW against the negative tone of your message. I also don't think I'm jumping all over you, but if you feel I was, then I apologize because that wasn't my intent.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by muzz on Sep 16^th, 2003, 10:53am

TBO you are right, I was a little harsh in my original post.
I try not to do that.... and sometimes I fail.
No harm intended fellas.
I'm out.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by StegRock on Sep 16^th, 2003, 11:38am

on 09/16/03 at 10:09:15, muzz wrote:

I am aware of how difficult it is to predict whats gonna happen in a game, that doesn't make someone that attempts it my hero.

It does mine! [smiley=awwgee.gif] It's ALL about the EFFORT! [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by Noey21 on Sep 16^th, 2003, 2:23pm

I will be the first to admit that the Boys played way better than I expected.

Also that few defense prediction was AWESOME! [smiley=cheers.gif]

Obviously I don't know too much---having a rough start in fantasy and picking. But, I am always trying.

Hopefully, I will find the time and do an analysis of the Dolphin game.

Title: Re: New York Giants Week 2 Analysis
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 16^th, 2003, 4:19pm

Did not mean to snap at you Todd, it was a combo of Paul's post on the QFL board and muzz's post here earlier. [smiley=ragin.gif] Drink on me next time bro!!!