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(Message started by: Philly on Jan 21^st, 2004, 5:44pm)

Title: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Jan 21^st, 2004, 5:44pm

Found this juicy little tidbit at an NFL draft site I frequent. Of course it is just a rumor at this point, but I'm sure it has some merit.

www.gnbreport.com

Quote:

Senior buzz: RB Dillon to Dallas...The story causing the biggest stir around Mobile during the early part of Senior Bowl week has been a report that Dallas has talked with Cincinnati about the possibility of acquiring disgruntled Bengals' RB Corey Dillon. Both teams, however, emphatically deny any truth to the rumor at this time. What is pretty obvious, though, is that Dillon is going somewhere - either he'll be traded or released - after falling out of favor with the Bengals this season. Along with Dallas, teams believed to be interested in acquiring Dillon include Tampa Bay, Washington, and Oakland. If Dillon is ultimately moved, however, it won't be until after March 3rd when the trading and free agency period opens. As well, Cincinnati may be reluctant to move Dillon until RB Rudi Johnson, who emerged as a potential feature back when Dillon went out for an extended period with an injury this past season, is signed. Johnson will be a restricted free agent when the free agency signing period begins in March meaning the Bengals will be able to match any offers Johnson receives. However, given that several teams, including Washington, aggressively went after restricted free agents last off-season, Cincinnati likely won't want to take too many chances at the position.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on Mar 4^th, 2004, 11:58am

ESPN is speculating that Keyshawn Johnson will end up in Dallas with his old coach, Bill Parcells, with whom he had his greatest success, by the way. Who'd a thunk, huh? ::) What a surprise, right? [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] They say all that is hanging things up are the details of a Joey Galloway/draft pick-to-Tampa Bay deal. I guess Tampa is still to get some compensation for Keyshawn. [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 12^th, 2004, 8:42pm

Breaking News: HENSON A COWBOY!!!

THe Cowboys have found their QB of the future!! They agreed to give Houston a 3rd round pick in 2005 for DREW HENSON. In addition, Henson has already signed an 8 year contract that voids to 4 years if he takes 15% of the Cowboys snaps. Henson is basically guaranteed 3.5 million. Here is the link:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7168256

This is great news for Henson owners. ;) In addition, it proves how smart Houstons GM Casserly is!

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on Mar 12^th, 2004, 9:56pm

Here's what's available from the LOCAL dailies, available on "the Gridiron Newsstand", regarding Dallas's trade for Drew Henson:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/football/;

(AP report)
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/football/8173817.htm.

Those Cowboys... They sure do have "a thing" for failed baseball players, who haven't played football for some time, quarterbacking their team. [smiley=no.gif] Can someone say, "the next Chad Hutchinson"? ;)

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Mar 12^th, 2004, 10:14pm

Good for him. I don't know if he is ready to start right away, but should be the QB of the future for them. He prolly will be starting by mid-season.
Ok guys, go ahead and tell me that he will be the starting qb week 1, he is gerat and will take the team over and lead them to the playoffs. I think they would go to the playoffs anyways when/if they get a RB. There is the chance that could happen, but some reports say he is rusty. He was a stud in college.
I wish him all the best.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on Mar 20^th, 2004, 1:42am

Well, Galloway is a "goner" and Keyshawn is in the "in crowd" in Dallas. He reunites with Bill Parcells, who may just rejuvinate his career and make him a blip on the fantasy-football radar once again. Here is the latest from the local sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/football/;

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=658473D8-F94C-94C6-38EC2AC6F770C976.

Keyshawn complements Terry Glenn very well. I feel confident that one of them will be a low #2, high #3 fantasy receiver next year and the other a mid-to-low #3 or solid #4. Parcells will bring out the best in this duo. The only question is... How much will "3RD-YEAR" (the proverbial year for receivers to break out) receiver Antonio Bryant crash the party?

Title: Hambrick RELEASED!!!
Post by DirkDiggler on May 13^th, 2004, 5:58pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1800967

Julius Jones is now the clear favorite to be the starter in Dallas. The Cowboys have released Troy Hambrick.

Jones was a solid performer in the the Cowboys minicamp. They were impressed enough to trust him to carry the load the entire year.

This sure does make things interesting...... Where do you rate a rookie RB?

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DOLFAN on May 13^th, 2004, 10:12pm

Check and Mate!!

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Mossaholic on May 13^th, 2004, 11:02pm

I've always thought RB is a postition were rookies can suceed quickly. If Jones is able to stay healthy you would think he would be able to put up numbers similiar if not better than Hambrick lasy year almost 1000yds 5tds.

Maybe Parcells has his eyes on someone after June 1.

Whoever starts don't expect much from them on the first game. [smiley=viking.gif]Williams, Hovan, Mixon, and BKU will have them running backwards ;D

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on May 14^th, 2004, 7:43am

on 05/13/04 at 23:02:25, Mossaholic wrote:

Whoever starts don't expect much from them on the first game. [smiley=viking.gif]Williams, Hovan, Mixon, and BKU will have them running backwards ;D

Yes, I am sure they will be running backwards as they do their Touchdown celebration. ;D

Title: Re: Hambrick RELEASED!!!
Post by Philly on May 14^th, 2004, 8:59am

on 05/13/04 at 17:58:56, DirkDiggler wrote:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1800967
This sure does make things interesting...... Where do you rate a rookie RB?

I think rookie RBs have excellent chances to succeed. Check out Domanick Davis in 2003 and Clinton Portis in 2002.

The issue for Jones will be his offensive line. Will it be good enough for him to get yards and TDs? I agree with Mossaholic's prediction of around 1000 yards and somewhere between 5-7 TDs. Certainly good enough to be a third (maybe second) RB on most FF teams.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on May 16^th, 2004, 2:59pm

All the talk at quarterback in Dallas has focused on Drew Henson and Quincy Carter and rightfully so, I suppose. Chad Hutchinson has definitely become the odd-man-out. However, this report off "the Gridiron Newsstand" should give Hutchinson believers, like myself even though he TOTALLY burnt me last year in the GBRFL [smiley=annoyed.gif] , some hope:

http://nfl.com/news/story/7327495.

We know that quarterbacks finding success in NFL Europe have found eventual success in the NFL. [smiley=shrug.gif] This article definitely indicates that Chad is "a cut above the rest" over there.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Callie on May 27^th, 2004, 5:31pm

Could Eddie George become a Cowboy?

I put in the whole article, because it's one of those sites where you have to go through hell and back (Like The Inferno, Steg) just to read an article.

Buck Harvey: Emmitt II: A match for Dallas
Web Posted: 05/27/2004 12:00 AM CDT

San Antonio Express-News

Julius Jones, the Cowboys rookie runner, isn't the next Emmitt Smith.

Eddie George is.

George is the one caught in a salary-cap crunch with an NFL owner who lives in Texas. George is the one with mileage, whose production has slipped, who will never be what he once was.

George is Emmitt, all right, but with one twist.

George should go to Dallas to end his career.

According to reports Wednesday, Titans owner Bud Adams expects George to go somewhere other than Tennessee. Just as Jerry Jones once ushered the end of Emmitt's career with the Cowboys by trying to say nice things, Adams is doing the same now.

"You hate to lose a guy like that," Adams told a Tennessee newspaper this week, "but we have to look at the overall situation. I don't see him (coming) back."

Translation: George was once worth his salary, but he isn't anymore. If the Titans release George after June 1, they will reduce his salary's impact against the cap. With 13 draft picks to sign, the Titans need the money.

Adams' public stance could be part of the negotiations with George. The Titans have already offered George about half of what he made a year ago.

But there's some emotion and ego involved, just as there was with Emmitt. There's something else, too, and this goes back to the release of Randall Godfrey, a former Cowboys linebacker who had become a popular player in Tennessee.

The Titans sold Godfrey on restructuring his contract, with the suggestion that this would ensure Godfrey would make the team, just as the Titans are trying to do with George now. But Tennessee eventually cut Godfrey, and George was outspoken about it then.

Little wonder George has refused thus far to accept a pay cut. So, by next week this workhorse, this man of character who has never missed a regular-season game, could be free to negotiate with another team.

Then? He will wish he could be like Emmitt.

George acts now as Emmitt did at the end in Dallas. He believes in himself.

"I know that I can still play this game," George said. "I can still play at the top of this game. I am in my prime."

Some numbers support that. He ran for more than 1,000 yards last season for the seventh time.

But, at age 30, no one thinks he's in his prime. George is coming off knee and ankle surgeries, as well as a few ordinary seasons. His yards-per-carry numbers have never been impressive, but his last three seasons are the stuff of Troy Hambrick. From 3.0 to 3.4 to 3.3.

Emmitt, in his last season in Dallas when it was clear he had lost something, still averaged 3.8.

Emmitt had more than stats to sell, though, when he left the Cowboys. He had an aura, or so the Cardinals thought. They were foolish enough to spend $7.5 million for it.

George likely won't get that much money, but he's willing to look. "My first option is to be here, no question about that," George told reporters in Tennessee. "But as time goes on, you get to Plan A, Plan B and Plan C, and I am just prepared to take on whatever comes my way."

Plan D, as in Dallas, makes the most sense. The Cowboys wouldn't overpay for him, and there's a chance they wouldn't want to pay for him at all. Bill Parcells has consistently tried to build with younger players.

Still, it's hard to imagine Parcells is counting on Jones, a rookie. The Cowboys don't have much else after releasing Hambrick, and they don't have anyone who can grind on third-and-2.

The Cowboys certainly don't have this, either: In a playoff win over Baltimore in January, George dislocated his right shoulder and doctors popped the joint back in place. Then George became what Emmitt was a decade earlier in a late-season game in New York against the Giants. George put on a harness and finished with 88 yards.

Think Parcells would like this kind of toughness in his huddle?

For George, the fit would be even better. He'd be coming to a playoff team, on the Cowboys stage, to a roster that needs exactly what he provides, with a coach who likes to muscle.

Starting over with another team that way? George would not be the next Emmitt.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 3^rd, 2004, 3:29pm

Earlier this offseason it was Key, now Squirty... Bill's bringing all of his old cronies back together in Big D! From the top of "The REAL Feed":

Testaverde reunites with Parcells in Dallas
The Sports Network: NFL (03.06.2004 14:11)

Here's further LOCAL corroboration from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/football/8829191.htm;

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/199310p-172073c.html;

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/football/.

They claim that he will vie for the starting job! :o

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 9^th, 2004, 1:48pm

What is it with wide receivers...?

Antonio Bryant thrown out of practice following altercation with the Tuna

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/football/8878891.htm?1c

I think I'd be upset with the situation in Dallas if I was Bryant too. The guy is a tremendous talent, but Tuna keeps bringing in his old cronies (Terry Glenn and Keyshawn Johnson) when, I believe, Bryant is a better receiver (at this point in their respective careers) than either.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DUKE0313 on Jun 10^th, 2004, 5:10pm

Bryant IS a better receiver at this point...but he has ALWAYS had a real problem controlling his temper. He's the kind who will "take his ball and go home" if he doesn't get things his way. He'll have to learn to keep that attitude in check if he's going to play for Parcells.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 26^th, 2004, 7:38pm

The Boyz are concerned about Julius Jones, at least in the short term, based on what they have seen so far, and that is why Antowain Smith is doing the visit. No big revelation. (Are they a little sorry about passing on S. Jackson?)

So, the problem is that Cason is coming back from injuries and probably isn't ready. Bickerstaff will miss 2004. Lee - not experienced. And the question is, who do you think they will bring in?

It's a run heavy offense. Someone will be brought in.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 23^rd, 2004, 2:49pm

(Cow)Boy, does Callie's post there above seem prophetic now, huh?

From "The REAL Feed":

George agrees to terms with Cowboys
The Sports Network: NFL (23.07.2004 12:14)

LOTS of goodies about the signing of Eddie George on the Cowboys' OFFICIAL site available on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.dallascowboys.com/.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Callie on Jul 23^rd, 2004, 3:27pm

My comment wasn't really all that original (I probably paraphrased it from some place and stuck it in my notes), so no one was all that surprised that Tuna brought in a vet at RB.

The real fun is that Smith visited the Boyz and wasn't signed, Eddie left Tennessee and went to Dallas, then Smith gets signed by Tennessee to replace Eddie!

Can't wait to see who made the wisest move.

I still think Jones will do well later on in the season, though. I even picked him up as speculation to ride the bench for awhile in a deep-roster league where I have 5 or 6 RBs. If Eddie stays healthy or Jones doesn't deliver, it's trade or waiver wire time. Meanwhile, I think he's a good mid-season speculation pick.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by kidcrash on Aug 4^th, 2004, 12:43pm

FFMastermind.com Cowboys correspondent Peter Scott reports, citing The Ticket KTCK 1310 am, there is considerable speculation that the Dallas Cowboys have released QB Quincy Carter.

Do what. A couple of days ago he's the starter now he's possibly released. I guess Ediie George was better pickup than they expected. :o

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Aug 4^th, 2004, 12:45pm

I hadn't seen or heard that one... in fact, just yesterday, Tuna said that Carter was still going to be the #1 ahead of Vinnie...?

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Aug 4^th, 2004, 1:24pm

Supposedly this will be addressed at 1:30 Central new conference. :-X

Rumors flying around everywhere.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by The Juror on Aug 4^th, 2004, 1:32pm

ESPN has the story now as well.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 4^th, 2004, 1:43pm

THe news is all over the place. Carter is released. Jerry Jones has confirmed.

THis is GREAT news for Drew Henson owners. I guess he is doing better in camp than they expected. Vinny is going to be the clear starter for now, but he doesn't have much left in the tank. And then there is Tony Romo...... hmmm......

I wonder where Carter ends up. He will be the back up somewhere. However, it is not good for Carter owner no matter where he lands.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Aug 4^th, 2004, 2:09pm

on 08/04/04 at 13:43:30, DirkDiggler wrote:

I, for one, still think Vinny has something left in the tank. He played pretty well for the Jets last season. Although it does vault Henson up the charts pretty quickly. Anyone know how he's doing in camp? I've heard rumors that he hasn't looked good.

Quote:

I wonder where Carter ends up. He will be the back up somewhere. However, it is not good for Carter owner no matter where he lands.

Actually, I think Carter could put up some outstanding fantasy numbers... in Montreal or Winnipeg. ::)

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Aug 4^th, 2004, 2:14pm

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2638378

Wow " Cowboys cut Carter after positive cocaine test"

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on Aug 4^th, 2004, 4:02pm

You gotta respect Bill Parcells for being a man of conviction and principles that are evenly distributed among ALL players. He's not my favorite coach, but I do like that about him.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Aug 5^th, 2004, 12:15pm

I went back and looked at Vinny's stats last year with the Jets. He started and played in 6 1/2 games (Chad Pennington came in midway through game 7).

Vinny had 7 TDs to only 2 INTs. He finished with a 90.6 Passer Rating (very respectable). He was sacked only 6 times in those games. That's not much considering his immobility and the quality of the Jets line (average).

So, he is just what the Cowboys need. He is an experienced veteran QB who has worked with the head coach before. He is, apparently, looking good with his throws in camp. He has a good RB group including a talented rookie, a solid workhorse veteran (who can block), and a versatile third down back. He has a solid group of receivers... some young, some old, some fast, some possession. He has very good TEs. He has an average to below-average offensive line.

I think the Cowboys will now be a BETTER team than they were under the arm of Carter.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by StegRock on Aug 5^th, 2004, 7:18pm

I thought the same thing, Philster. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Right on! [smiley=bullseye.gif]

Well, upon further review, I am going to beg to differ with myself... [smiley=uh.gif]

[smiley=arguing.gif]
[smiley=thinking.gif]

on 08/04/04 at 16:02:30, StegRock wrote:

You gotta respect Bill Parcells for being a man of conviction and principles that are evenly distributed among ALL players. He's not my favorite coach, but I do like that about him.

It was okay when L.T. when sniffin' it up and dominating the NFL Gridiron. L.T. was drug-ridden, but he was a superstar. I guess we could chalk it up to Parcells's being a progressive and moving ahead with the times (times = NFL's current substance-abuse policy and enforcement thereof). Or, perhaps we should see it for what it is, hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DUKE0313 on Aug 5^th, 2004, 7:50pm

Well I, for one, would like to give us all (Parcells and Jones included) the benefit of the doubt and hope that we've grown a bit smarter and wiser in our old age when it comes to the subject of substance abuse. Be it steroids or cocaine or whatever, there is NO place for that garbage in the world of sports! Let a man stand or fall on the basis of his own athletic ability. Every single player knows and understands the rules before he ever takes the field. Quite frankly, I'm sick of the whole damn thing. I really wouldn't mind seeing a "two strikes and you're out forever" policy. I do believe in giving a man a second chance, but after that I just don't have sympathy for him, even if he can score 30 TD's or hit 80 HR's a season!
Sorry, just felt like venting a little bit.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Callie on Aug 6^th, 2004, 11:17pm

http://www.extremeskins.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=banghaha&file=index

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Aug 9^th, 2004, 9:49am

on 08/05/04 at 19:50:33, DUKE0313 wrote:

I agree with you Duke. I also appreciate the fact that Parcells made it clear that he had no place for a player who doesn't care enough about the team to refrain from using illegal drugs. However, I wonder if he would have done the same thing had it been Roy Williams who tested positive? It is clear that Parcells knew that Carter would have no value to the team following this season, and possibly the fact that Vinny was throwing the ball well showed him that maybe he didn't need Carter this season either.

It will be interesting to see what happens now. If the Cowboys were doing their own drug testing at the team level, they could be in serious trouble. The only drug testing is to be done at the league level, and that is completely random unless the player already broke the league rules concerning substances of abuse.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DUKE0313 on Aug 9^th, 2004, 5:31pm

on 08/09/04 at 09:49:57, Philly wrote:

The newspaper here in Dallas refers to the procedure as a "league-sanctioned" drug test administered by the Cowboys. They also suggest that Carter may file a grievance against the team. Well...this should be a lot of fun!
As for the Roy Williams question...as I said, I'm all for giving a guy a second chance, but after that I just don't have any sympathy for him. As far as I know Williams has never had a "dirty" test result. He seems to be a pretty stand-up guy even though he is from OKLAHOMA.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Aug 10^th, 2004, 6:55am

on 08/09/04 at 17:31:13, DUKE0313 wrote:

I wasn't trying to cast any negative aspersions onto Roy Williams... was just pointing out that Parcells may have acted differently if the player was a more integral part of his plans for the future of the team (a la Lawrence Taylor when Parcells was the Giants coach).

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on Aug 10^th, 2004, 7:51am

on 08/10/04 at 06:55:25, Philly wrote:

Great example there Philster!!!!!
I believe as you do (you believe this way-no?) in that Quincy would not have been let go had he been of the Roy Williams caliber not to mention a Lawarence Taylor level (Roy needs to prove himself many more years before he can be put in the same level of talent as LT was).

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DUKE0313 on Aug 10^th, 2004, 3:11pm

on 08/10/04 at 06:55:25, Philly wrote:

Yeah, truth be told, you're probably right...but then, why hang on to a QB who's only average at best and has a drug problem on top of things?
I've never been a Carter fan and I won't shed any tears now that he's gone. If you can't throw a football, you've got no business playing QB. Adios Quincy...now, let's get on with it.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Philly on Aug 10^th, 2004, 3:16pm

on 08/10/04 at 15:11:25, DUKE0313 wrote:

I think Parcells was reluctant to move/demote/cut Carter until he saw what he had in Testaverde and Henson. Testaverde has looked very good in practice and Henson has surprised the coaching staff with how quickly he has picked things up and is also looking good and progressing nicely. Then, an opportunity for Parcells to free himself of the burden of Carter presented itself, and, voila, problem solved.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DUKE0313 on Aug 10^th, 2004, 3:39pm

Yeah...I just hope and pray that they give Henson a little time to re-acquaint himself with the game. We can't afford another "Chad Hutchinson!" Hopefully Testaverde can handle it this year and maybe Henson will be ready for the job next season. Who knows?

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by Callie on Sep 5^th, 2004, 7:07pm

Cowboys considered cutting George:

http://profantasysports.com/

I'm sure this thing is all over the place, but I bumped into it here.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Sep 5^th, 2004, 7:12pm

on 09/05/04 at 19:07:47, Callie wrote:

Cowboys considered cutting George:

http://profantasysports.com/

I'm sure this thing is all over the place, but I bumped into it here.

WHAT??? I have not heard this ANYWHERE!!! That is interesting. It is great news for Julius Jones owners! ;D Ultimately, I think it is good they kept him. Not only for his leadership, but he will be a useful and productive Cowboy.

I think Miami would have been salivating at the thought of George being cut.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by DUKE0313 on Sep 7^th, 2004, 6:02pm

Haven't read the article, but being a Cowboy fan and living in Dallas I have had the opportunity to watch Eddie George and he looks AWFUL!!!! If Miami still wants him they can have him. Good riddance. I don't have their individual stats in my head, but I do know from watching the games that Julius Jones looks a thousand percent better than George. Eddie George just doesn't seem to have anything left in the tank. At least that's the way he's been playing.

Title: Re: Dallas Cowboys Off-season Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Sep 7^th, 2004, 6:11pm

Cool ! I hope they do cut George, Julius is a better fit for that team's weak O-line, at least he can create his own opportunities. Testaverde shouldn't last very long either.