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(Message started by: StegRock on Feb 10th, 2004, 11:03pm)
Title: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Feb 10th, 2004, 11:03pm
HOT off "The REAL Feed", this piece looked like the perfect one to kick off a T.O. thread, which we will definitely need, with:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN3046342.htm.

Great read!  Points out a lot of aspects to the situation and discusses possible destinations.  ENJOY and let's discuss and keep this sucker updated!
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by kidcrash on Feb 13th, 2004, 9:19pm
Im in a dynasty league and t.o. is on the trading block becuase his owner is over the cap.He wants my 1st rd pick which is #2 overall and jimmy smith. I my self have plenty of cap room to sign my 1st rd pick. should I make the trade or keep the pick and go for larry fitzgerald?
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Feb 15th, 2004, 8:58am
I would hold out before making any deals.  I would see where Owens and Fitzgerald end up going first, at least.  Actually, only if Owens ends up somewhere where he is auspiciously set up, like Atlanta, Philadelphia or Tampa Bay, or San Francisco for that matter, AND Fitzgerald goes somewhere rather shitty where he'd be entrenched in a potential quagmire at least for a bit, like Oakland, would I perhaps do that deal.  That's a pretty steep price, though, for a guy coming off the type of season Owens is, not to mention it was a contract year when he should have strut his stuff, and no less considering the uncertainty of his destination and how well he will make the transition or fit the new system.  This is all coming from a fellow Owens owner (in the GBRFL). :-/
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DirkDiggler on Feb 23rd, 2004, 5:31pm
Terrell will officially be a free agent.  There was talk out there that he might get tagged.  But no, the 49ers tagged LB Peterson instead.  

Where will he land? Baltimore has the most money....  Eagles have the biggest need....  and he T.O. like Miami....
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Feb 24th, 2004, 2:18am

on 02/23/04 at 17:31:00, DirkDiggler wrote:
Terrell will officially be a free agent.  There was talk out there that he might get tagged.  But no, the 49ers tagged LB Peterson instead.


Just doin' my homework...  Here is the confirming report on this from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/8022334.htm.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by BarnabyWilde on Feb 26th, 2004, 1:37pm
Looks like TO blew his chance at free agency...

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2179048
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DirkDiggler on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:02pm
Wow.....Terrell is stuck another 3 years with the 49ers.  Major news.  Definitely changes the scope of free ageny AND the draft!!!  

First Northcutt, and now Terrell. UNBELIEVABLE that agents could screw the players this bad.

Here is another link in addition to Barnaby's:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7121229
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:45pm
This is unbelievable.  I'd fire my agent and sue him if I was TO.

So, let me understand this.  Since the proper paperwork was not filed, TO still has 3 years remaining on his contract, and if the 49ers want to trade him, the trade partner would have to take on his current contract?

This certainly changes things.  I think teams may have been more likely to go after TO as a free agent, but now that they'll have to give something up to get him...?  I don't know...  Wouldn't it be funny if he ended up in SF again (and Garcia agreed to restructure his contract to stay)?   [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by BarnabyWilde on Feb 26th, 2004, 2:59pm
Well, at least the team wouldn't have to pay him that outrageous signing bonus he's asking for!
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DOLFAN on Feb 26th, 2004, 3:04pm
This will give us great stuff to talk about for sure. SF has the upper hand now of course. Maybe now they can deal him to Oak for Woodson and Rice... HA!!!!
My question is how much will TO count against the cap this year??? This may backfire on SF, and TO may have done it to screw them. They have to cut/redo some deals to fit both Garcia and him under the cap. I don't think he is that smart myself, but now SF who was planning on his $5+MIL cap/salary hit this year to be gone will have to find it before March 3rd. Maybe he did it to push Garcia out and he wins both ways?? I doubt it, could be wrong though.
This is good for Stegey though who has Rattay and Owens on his team.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Feb 26th, 2004, 5:03pm

on 02/26/04 at 15:04:06, DOLFAN wrote:
This will give us great stuff to talk about for sure. SF has the upper hand now of course. Maybe now they can deal him to Oak for Woodson and Rice... HA!!!!
My question is how much will TO count against the cap this year??? This may backfire on SF, and TO may have done it to screw them. They have to cut/redo some deals to fit both Garcia and him under the cap. I don't think he is that smart myself, but now SF who was planning on his $5+MIL cap/salary hit this year to be gone will have to find it before March 3rd. Maybe he did it to push Garcia out and he wins both ways?? I doubt it, could be wrong though.
This is good for Stegey though who has Rattay and Owens on his team.


I love a good conspiracy theory!  Anyway, I was wondering the same thing about the cap hit.  It does put SF into a sticky situation.  They franchised Julian Peterson, so they're locked into a top 5 salary with him.  And they gave Barlow a new contract.  So this could really force their hand with Garcia.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by PrimeTime on Feb 26th, 2004, 11:37pm
T.O. will be a free agent.  The NFL will rule in favor of T.O. and he will be free or the 49ers will cut him making him a free agent.  He will not be on the 49ers next year.  They cannot afford him and they do not want him.  Bill Walsh bashed him on a radio show saying, in effect, that he wasn't worth the money he wants.

I will agree with the concensus and say he will end up in Baltimore.  I also will predict that his partner, Tai Streets will end up in Philly.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Feb 27th, 2004, 9:14am

on 02/26/04 at 23:37:13, PrimeTime wrote:
T.O. will be a free agent.  The NFL will rule in favor of T.O. and he will be free or the 49ers will cut him making him a free agent.  He will not be on the 49ers next year.  They cannot afford him and they do not want him.  Bill Walsh bashed him on a radio show saying, in effect, that he wasn't worth the money he wants.


I don't think it is an issue the NFL can address.  He has a contract and there were certain requirements and obligations made that were not fulfilled.  I can't imagine the NFL would get involved in this - it would open too big a can of worms if they told TO and the Niners they could ignore the contract.  I'm not sure the Niners can just cut him either - I'm not sure how that would affect their cap.  I think they'll HAVE to trade him--even if it is for a seventh-round draft choice.


Quote:
I will agree with the concensus and say he will end up in Baltimore.  I also will predict that his partner, Tai Streets will end up in Philly.


I hope Tai Streets doesn't become an Eagle.  Not that I like what they currently have, but Tai Streets isn't much better.  Please give me Justin McCareins.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Feb 27th, 2004, 7:24pm
Philly, sounds like you might get your wish.  Offer in the wings.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Feb 29th, 2004, 11:44am
I put this link in another thread, but in case you didn't see it....Can you picture Owens as a Raider???

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/02/28/SPGTP5AI861.DTL
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DOLFAN on Feb 29th, 2004, 5:09pm
I was talking about da raiders as an option the otehr day. Actually I said Owens goes the Raiders and Rice goes back to SF for his swann song.
KC and Balt are other good options.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 1st, 2004, 7:44pm
New Rumor:

Owens and his agent missed the Feb. 21st deadline to void the rest of his contract.  However, TO's original contract gave him until the final day of the 2003 league year to get it done.  The final day of the league year is tomorrow, March 2nd.  But...in their collective bargaining agreement with the players' union, the league put in a ten-day rule.  That made TO's deadline February 21st.  Can they do that?  Can they change the terms of a contract after the fact?  Just void a legal contract because they want to?

Veteran free agency starts March 3rd.  Guess they'd better move on this.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 2nd, 2004, 6:07pm
Owens given permission to seek trade offer!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/03/02/sports1738EST0387.DTL
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 2nd, 2004, 8:27pm

on 03/02/04 at 18:07:40, Callie wrote:
Owens given permission to seek trade offer!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/03/02/sports1738EST0387.DTL


I think San Fran is giving him permission for a trade because they think Terrell will end up being a free agent.  Might as well try to get something for him.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 4th, 2004, 4:02pm
TO just traded to the Ravens for a 2nd round pick!!

Just reported on ESPN too!!!

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7142347
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by kidcrash on Mar 4th, 2004, 4:55pm
If this is true yee haa makes me a happy camper.time to have a beer ;D :)
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 4th, 2004, 5:13pm
Here's the LOCAL report from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-owens0304,0,5408452.story?coll=bal-sports-football.

Let me just add, as someone with Terrell Owens on my GBRFL (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/) team, this may not seem like a good place for Owens to have gone, but remember that M. Rob and Taylor put up some good numbers in that weak passing offense last year AND Billick has been biting at the bit to get his Minnesota-style vertical game goin'.  Just some food for thought... [smiley=spchef.gif]
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DOLFAN on Mar 4th, 2004, 6:00pm
Great deal for Balt, terrible deal for TO owners. Balt is a run oriented team. Although CAR managed to have a solid passing game with a run oriented team too.
I think it will drop Owens value from #3-4 to 7-10, and his production as well.
I agree with Stegey that Billick has coveted a WR so that he can go to the deep passing game. Owens willl improve the passing attack overall. as far as Taylor and Robinson fab stats last year: you are correct:
1083 yds and 9 Tds...Holy cow...THAT WAS COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!
Owens should do that on his own.
This move actually hurts both JLew and Owens in 1 feld swoop. The major benefactor here is probably Heap looking at it.
I wish MIA would have pid that price. He is a steal for a 2nd rounder.
Maybe Minny will trade Moss for a 2nd rounder and a dogsled team.  [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 4th, 2004, 6:07pm

on 03/04/04 at 18:00:05, DOLFAN wrote:
This move actually hurts both JLew and Oens in 1 feld swoop.


Any motives behind that claim, fellow GBRFLer? [smiley=wiseguy.gif] ... ;)
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DOLFAN on Mar 4th, 2004, 7:30pm
I mispelled T.O's last name. Oops.
My only motivation would be to try to deal Lewis, which i started when I found out about his drug arrest. I still plan on keeping T.O., but expect lower #s this year. I may deal him if I got a young WR with good upside. He is 30 isn't he? He still has 3-4 more solid years. I'm guessing that most cheatsheets next year will have lowered JLew and Owens on their lists.
I still like both guys, but how can anybody not say that their stock hasn't dropped.
Balt has proved nothing at the QB position, except that the play needs to be better.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 5th, 2004, 2:50pm
This story may not be over:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1751713

Philly claims they had a deal with TO and the 9ers.

Now, it looks like the Players Union may file a grievance.  I know this is reported by newspapers and biased ones at that, BUT... If TO really wants to be an Eagle I think he may have a case based on the fact that the contract should override the CBA admendment.  AND, if that is the case, San Fran may end up with nothing!  I guess time will tell....  

This could get interesting..........
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 5th, 2004, 11:37pm

on 03/05/04 at 14:50:16, DirkDiggler wrote:
This story may not be over:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1751713

Philly claims they had a deal with TO and the 9ers.

Now, it looks like the Players Union may file a grievance.  I know this is reported by newspapers and biased ones at that, BUT... If TO really wants to be an Eagle I think he may have a case based on the fact that the contract should override the CBA admendment.  AND, if that is the case, San Fran may end up with nothing!  I guess time will tell....  

This could get interesting..........


Straight from T.O's mouth:

HE IS NOT HAPPY and IS GOING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT:

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2203694
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 6th, 2004, 6:52pm
Following up on DD's reports...  Currently from the top of "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)":

OWENS WANTS TO PLAY FOR EAGLES
Sporting Life: NFL (06.03.2004 18:44)
Terrell Owens says he wants to play for the Philadelphia Eagles and not the Baltimore Ravens.

It's gettin' juicy! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] To be continued... ( [smiley=nervous.gif] , as an Owens owner)
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DOLFAN on Mar 6th, 2004, 7:56pm
This thing just keeps getting uglier. I hope it is settled soon. He ruins the rest of free agency for the rest of the league. He has single hadidly overshadowed all of free agency: Portis/Bailey, Moss rumors, all signings seem miniscue do to the attention this whole thing is getting.

This guy is a stud, but it is alway about him. SHUT UP AND JUST DO YOUR JOB. You made your bed, no lie in it. He will improve any tem he goes to, but as we all knew with this playmaker...there is baggage. Do you think this will affect his relationship with Ray Lewis.
Billick said the other day in his press conference that verything was cool. He said Ray and some other players were cool with him and he was cool with going to the Ravens. What does this say now? Is he getting cold feet? I like this guy, he produces, but man I'm just getting tired of this stuff. Kinda like Keysahwn and Jeff George, you just get tired of always hearing about this stuff.
1 thing is for sure, he always gets the press to talk about him.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 6th, 2004, 8:25pm
I think, ultimately, that this is about TO wanting to play for a winner.  Who would you rather have throwing the ball to you, Donovan McNabb or Kyle Boller?  No offense to Boller, but he didn't show much in his limited action as a rookie.

Of course there are other issues as well.  The Ravens (assuming Jamal Lewis is still their RB) are a run-based team and TO will have a much more difficult time achieving incentives and the like as well.

Regardless, I am VERY surprised that the Eagles showed any interest in TO at all.  He seems to be the exact opposite of the type of player that Andy Reid wants on his team.  Since McCareins (the guy I wanted) is gone, I wouldn't mind seeing TO in Eagle green.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DOLFAN on Mar 6th, 2004, 9:20pm

on 03/06/04 at 20:25:05, Philly wrote:
I think, ultimately, that this is about TO wanting to play for a winner.  Who would you rather have throwing the ball to you, Donovan McNabb or Kyle Boller?  No offense to Boller, but he didn't show much in his limited action as a rookie.

Of course there are other issues as well.  The Ravens (assuming Jamal Lewis is still their RB) are a run-based team and TO will have a much more difficult time achieving incentives and the like as well.


Thank you Philly. That is what I was just saying in the other posts.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 8th, 2004, 11:22am
News about the Owens trade is steadily streaming from sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand" and "The REAL Feed":

Terrell Owens' Saga
WPVI: Sports (08.03.2004 11:16)
The NFL Players Association plans to attempt to overturn Terrell Owens' trade from the San Francisco 49ers to the Baltimore Ravens.

Players union to try to get Owens' trade rescinded
Eastside Journal: Sports (08.03.2004 08:01)
BALTIMORE -- The NFL Players Association plans to attempt to overturn Terrell Owens' trade from the San Francisco 49ers to the Baltimore Ravens.

Union Asks League To Void Owens Deal
ctnow.com: Sports (08.03.2004 07:03)
The NFL players union said Sunday it will try to have Terrell Owens' trade to the Ravens rescinded.

Players Association tries to rescind Owens trade
FREEP: Football (08.03.2004 02:26)
The NFL Players Association plans to file paperwork this week to try to rescind Terrell Owens' trade from the San Francisco 49ers to the Baltimore Ravens. Gene Upshaw, executive director of the union, said Sunday he has informed Harold Henderson, the league's executive vice president for labor re...

SPORTS IN BRIEF: NFL union wants Owens trade nixed
FREEP: Sports (08.03.2004 02:24)
The NFL Players Association plans to file paperwork this week to try to rescind Terrell Owens' trade from the San Francisco 49ers to the Baltimore Ravens. Gene Upshaw, executive director of the union, said Sunday he has informed Harold Henderson, the league's executive vice president for labor re...

Hmmmm... [smiley=hmmmm.gif] The saga continues... ::)
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 8th, 2004, 4:35pm
Watch out for all the hype, like, with all due respect to Peter King, the article up at CNN/SI headlined "Owens' trade to the Ravens stand", being reported about this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/index.html.

There is A LOT of editorializing going on and the headlines can be very misleading!

Here is the accurate bead as per "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)":

NFL Roundup: Owens and the Baltimore Ravens wait as appeal moves on
FaceOff: Football (08.03.2004 19:38)
(AP) - Instead of taking a physical with the Baltimore Ravens, Terrell Owens bided his time Monday, waiting to see if he will be declared a free agent by a special arbitrator.

Ravens Take Wait-And-See Stance on Owens
AP Sports (08.03.2004 16:08)
On the day Terrell Owens was supposed to take his physical with the Baltimore Ravens, the team waited patiently for the NFL to rule on Owens' bid to have his trade from San Francisco voided.

Players' Union To Try To Get Owens' Trade Rescinded
KGO: Sports (08.03.2004 16:34)
The NFL Players Association plans to attempt to overturn Terrell Owens' trade from the San Francisco 49ers to the Baltimore Ravens.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 8th, 2004, 11:03pm
One last update on this for the day from "The REAL Feed":

Owens states he won't play for Ravens
The Globe And Mail: Sports (08.03.2004 22:38)
Baltimore prepares for NFL ruling on the trade for the superstar receiver

Thought that one had to be reported!
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by DOLFAN on Mar 9th, 2004, 7:56am
Here's a link to help ya out Steg:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/503/4652578.html

For some reason you have to log in to read it. Anyways, it another site that confirms Stegey's post.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 9th, 2004, 8:22am
Not sure if it means anything or not, but the Special Master assigned to the Terrell Owens case is none other than Stephen Burbank, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania -- located in the heart of Philadelphia.    [smiley=ohshit.gif]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41322-2004Mar8.html
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 9th, 2004, 10:11am
Matt Maiocco, of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, reports Baltimore Ravens WR Terrell Owens was a no-show for his physical with the Ravens Monday, March 8. Owens also issued a statement that he does not see himself playing for the Ravens. "So that there is no misunderstanding, regardless of what happens with the grievance, under the present circumstances I do not see myself playing for the Ravens," Owens said. "I can assure everyone that I will continue to keep fighting for my right to play for the team of my choice even after the grievance ... I simply want to be able to exercise my right to play for a team of my choosing under a deal that is fair to me and my family." The Ravens hope the situation will be done by Friday, March 12, and have said they're willing to rework his contract to bring his salary in line with other top receivers.

Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 10th, 2004, 8:49am
Here's a little one-on-one with TO and Stephen A. Smith of the Inky.  Pretty interesting...

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/8150176.htm

What was even more interesting were the things that didn't make it into print that Stephen A. was discussing on Philly sports-talk radio this morning.  Apparently TO completely ripped Jeff Garcia during the interview.  He also mentioned that he hung up on Ozzie Newsome twice.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 12th, 2004, 8:37pm
Here is where things currently stand as per "The REAL Feed":

Owens hearing rescheduled for March 15
NFL.com (12.03.2004 16:02)
Terrell Owens' hearing to determine whether he can become a free agent has been rescheduled for Monday, March 15, in Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 15th, 2004, 5:39pm
Here's the latest from "The REAL Feed":

Eagles have home-field advantage in Owens case
The Sports Network: NFL (15.03.2004 19:52)

Owens' case heard
USA Today: Sports (15.03.2004 17:08)
PHILADELPHIA -Terrell Owens will learn Tuesday whether he is headed for the Baltimore Ravens next season or will become a free agent. Stephen Burbank, the arbitrator for disputes between the NFL and i...

Eagles staying tuned to Owens' case
SI.com: NFL (15.03.2004 16:36)
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 16th, 2004, 10:55am
Here's the up-to-the-minute from "The REAL Feed":

New Deal May Send Owens to Philly
About.com: Football (16.03.2004 04:50)
Sal Paolantonio of ESPN is reporting that the 49ers and Eagles are discussing scenarios that would allow Terrell Owens to be traded to Philadelphia. Even as the NFL's special master ponders a ruling on the original trade that sent the...

Case could be turning in Owens' favor
SunSpot.net - Sports (16.03.2004 03:54)
Union bolsters argument to nullify trade, with focus on language of contract; NFL's stance not as clear now; Compensation for Ravens at issue; ruling is today

[smiley=nervous.gif] , as an Owens owner.  I don't at all necessarily think Owens in Philly is any better than Owens in Baltimore.  Six of one; a half dozen of the other. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Let's keep this one rollin' today, guys!
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 16th, 2004, 1:21pm
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7180353


Owens' whiny ass is now an Eagle. Let's hope he has a good time trying to catch all of those whobblers from Donovan McNabb  [smiley=afro.gif]
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by kidcrash on Mar 16th, 2004, 1:57pm
Well that sucks,I agree with you bw,although mc nabb is a very good qb his passing has not empressed me at all.Some will argue that he has'nt had anyone to throw to,which is true but I dont think he has great arm strength.Thats why he puts up the wounded ducks.I would have rather had him in baltimore.Im still glad its over.It is over isnt it? [smiley=disguised.gif]
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 16th, 2004, 3:02pm

on 03/16/04 at 13:57:54, kidcrash wrote:
I dont think he has great arm strength.Thats why he puts up the wounded ducks.


Donovan McNabb does not have arm strength???  You're joking, right?  I haven't seen too many wounded ducks from Donovan.  I HAVE seen a number of off-target ducks.  He is not very accurate, especially in the short-passing game.

Donovan McNabb's biggest problem in the passing game is his lack of confidence in his receivers and his desire to avoid turnovers.

His receivers have a difficult time creating any separation from the defenders, and if they appear covered, Donovan does not want to force a ball into the coverage for fear of it being picked off.  So he'll throw it where the defender can't get to it -- frequently at the feet of his own receiver.

But to say that McNabb doesn't have a strong arm is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by kidcrash on Mar 16th, 2004, 3:41pm
Hey philly,I guess I hit a nerve.Sorry man I didnt mean to piss you off,I know they're your team.I hope mc nabb can hit t.o. all the time as I have him in a dyansty league.Its just my opinion as twisted as It may be.please accept my sincere apologies. [smiley=takinyours.gif]
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 16th, 2004, 3:47pm
[smiley=tonguin.gif]

Nope... you didn't piss me off at all.  I just felt the need to enlighten you because I felt you were misinformed.   [smiley=zenmaster.gif]

Anyway, I think that McNabb will have better numbers than he has in the past merely because he has a WR that other teams will have to take seriously.  This will open up the middle of the field for LJ Smith and also make Brian Westbrook a very dangerous player.  Who knows, Todd Pinkston might even have better numbers than last year.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 16th, 2004, 3:54pm
Agreed, Philster.  Donovan's problem surely is NOT his ability to throw the long ball.  He can heave it far (and sometimes a bit wide ;) , but they are not "ducks", so to speak).  It's his accuracy on short and short, mid-range passes that's "his fault" (in both senses of the phrase, kind of).  There are no two ways about it that Owens will improve McNabb and probably the Eagles overall, as long as he stays "in line".  The more important question from a fantasy perspective is...  Will McNabb improve Owens, at least over last year?

Anyway, here is another corroborating report from "The REAL Feed":

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN3108605.htm.

Happy St. Patrick's Day, Philadelphia! [smiley=stpat.gif] That green must have given you good luck! [smiley=shamrock.gif] Like that beer commercial says, "Let's celebrate St. Patrick's Day like it was a real holiday," in the case of the commercial and this case, Christmas, surely! [smiley=santa.gif]
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 16th, 2004, 4:16pm
I think the Eagles will be able to keep TO in line to some extent.  He really wants to play with Donovan and should respect him enough not to call him out when Donovan throws a couple at his feet or over his head.

Also, apparently TO and Marty Morninhweg (sp?) have a very good relationship dating back to Marty's days with the Niners.

What people should realize, however, is that the Eagles offense won't change drastically because of TO.  It should run much more efficiently, but it will still look to utilize TEs and RBs in the passing game and to spread the ball around.  I wouldn't expect to see numbers too much different than the ones he had (in a down year) with SF last season.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 16th, 2004, 4:36pm

on 03/16/04 at 16:16:47, Philly wrote:
I wouldn't expect to see numbers too much different than the ones he had (in a down year) with SF last season.


Not that I disagree with your overall assessment, but I don't see that making... keeping Terrell happy.  He wants the ball... often!
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 16th, 2004, 5:04pm
From "the Gridiron Newsstand", here's an article that very eloquently, articulately, thoroughly and entertainingly captures what my point is in the post above:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=ratto_ray&id=1761067.

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Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 16th, 2004, 5:26pm
Hey, Philly.  I hear that as a part of all this dealing for TO's new home, trading Whiting in the mix clears cap space for the Eagles with no penalty.  Useful after the Kearse deal and the DE mix after.  Too many.  Any insights?

Unlike most of you guys, I like Owens a lot.  Just compartmentalize, Baby.  I think he'll have a lot of incentive to prove his point and have a tremendous season in 2004.  He has all off-season to get acquainted with McNabb.

I would have loved to see TO cross the Bay Bridge instead of the whole country.  But I always liked the Eagles and look forward to a very serious Eagles' Superbowl run to come.Could happen! :D :D :D

As for the fans, the guys in Philly like guys like TO.  Every Eagles fan I've talked to is very, very happy today.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 16th, 2004, 5:36pm
Funny TO cartoon link I just ran into.
Probably should be at least PG 13, maybe 18, whatever...

http://www.extremeskins.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=banghaha&file=index
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 16th, 2004, 5:48pm

on 03/16/04 at 17:26:59, Callie wrote:
Every Eagles fan I've talked to is very, very happy today.


The key word there, Callie, is "today"... as per the article I linked to at the bottom of page 2 of this thread.

Look, I've got Owens in the GBRFL and am hoping for the best. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] I just think that there is a latent "reality" (read, very real potential for problems... disaster related to the predispositions of the respective "players" involved in this) here that cannot be ignored.  That's all! [smiley=shrug.gif]

That said, GO TERRELL! ;)
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 16th, 2004, 5:57pm

on 03/16/04 at 17:26:59, Callie wrote:
Hey, Philly.  I hear that as a part of all this dealing for TO's new home, trading Whiting in the mix clears cap space for the Eagles with no penalty.  Useful after the Kearse deal and the DE mix after.  Too many.  Any insights?


I'm not sure the numbers, but Brandon Whiting leaving doesn't clear a whole lot of cap space, but every bit helps.  Whiting was probably going to get lost in the DL shuffle a bit anyway this season.  He is valuable in that he can play DE and DT, but (assuming the players stay healthy) the Eagles have a logjam at DL now.  Kearse and McDougle should start at DE (with Burgess, Kalu, and Green in the rotation) and Simon and Walker at DT (with Thomas, Grasmanis, and Rayburn getting time too).  Plus the Eagles may grab a DT in the draft since there is so much depth there.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 16th, 2004, 5:59pm
Check out the Eagles' webcast.  Good stuff!

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/webcast/
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by The Juror on Mar 16th, 2004, 6:08pm
I think TO is a very good WR.  But many the games I have watched over the better part of last year, (when I had Garcia in the Starting Lineup) he was prone to some drops, but I think that is directly related to the fact that he wasn't thrown to early on in the game.

Can't wait to see the Ravens/Eagles game in the Linc.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 16th, 2004, 6:43pm
The pre-heat stuff was very interesting. Sounds like the Eagles' organization feels Reid can handle TO. And it sounds like they were salivating from the second they heard that TO wanted to go to the Eagles. McNabb can't scramble and run forever. Now they feel they have a whole lot of options. And a very good option in the Red Zone. Still waiting for TO in the press conference. Should be very well worth the wait.

TO is in the building....

BTW, thanks Philly!  I'm weak on a lot of D things.  Need all the help I can get!

If you're still watching, TO is about to do the press conference.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/webcast/
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 16th, 2004, 7:23pm
Andy Reid says he believes in exploiting a player's talents, in the sense that if the ball goes to TO more, it goes there.  He even expressed his belief that TO's work ethic is better than Jerry Rice's.  Wow.  TO says it's a new start, a new rap sheet.

Yea, I know.  But Owens also says he just wants to win.  Sorry if it seems too TO, but this is why we love the game.  Remember the change in Moss.[offtopic] [/offtopic]

Hey, Philly.  Just heard that the Owens number 81 jerseys are available and flying off the shelfs!
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 16th, 2004, 7:57pm
Looks like McNabb is doing a press conference next on

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/webcast/

If you're still watching.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Philly on Mar 16th, 2004, 7:57pm
I caught the whole TO press conference on the radio while driving home on an icy Rt. 295 coming home from work.

Sounds like everyone said the right things (except for Big Red mis-pronouncing Terrell's name).

I haven't ordered my TO jersey yet.  I'm more of a defensive guy anyway, so I'll have to get the Jevon jersey.
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Callie on Mar 16th, 2004, 8:10pm
McNabb is on audio only now

http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/2003/eagles/live/eaglespress.rm&proto=rtsp
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by Mossaholic on Mar 19th, 2004, 2:10pm
T.O.'s new ad

http://home.satx.rr.com/staubdirectory/TO.jpg
Title: Re: Terrell Owens tracker
Post by StegRock on Mar 19th, 2004, 4:05pm

on 03/19/04 at 14:10:12, Mossaholic wrote:
T.O.'s new ad

http://home.satx.rr.com/staubdirectory/TO.jpg


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