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(Message started by: BarnabyWilde on Mar 5^th, 2004, 6:39pm)

Title: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 5^th, 2004, 6:39pm

Giants sign Eagles LB Carlos Emmons. It's at least a start to signinng several players they are looking at...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg

This is from bigblueinteractive.com

Today's Free Agent Update – Coleman, Haggans, and Nesbit Signed?: BigBlueInteractive.com is hearing from a few sources that tentative deals may have been finalized between the Giants and unrestricted free agents DT Rod Coleman (Raiders) and LB Clark Haggans (Steelers). However, we have not received any definitive confirmation and thus the signing of these two remains speculative at this point.

The Star-Ledger reports that a source "close to the situation" said Coleman's visit to the Giants went well and that Coleman is very interested in the Giants. Publicly, Coleman is said to be committed to visiting the Falcons before making any decision. The agent for Haggans also said his visit went extremely well. "He enjoyed meeting with everyone out there and liked the way they would theoretically use him," said Haggan's agent. Publicly, Haggans is said to be visiting the Lions next before making any decision. ESPN is reporting that Haggans is receiving serious interest from the Giants, Lions, and Steelers and that his value has soared into the $2 million per year range. ESPN says Haggans will make his decision today.

A Jacksonville radio station and Jacksonville.com are reporting that the Giants have signed unrestricted free agent OG/OC Jamar Nesbit (Jaguars). The 28-year old Nesbit is 6-4 and 330lbs. He was a primary back-up for the Jaguars in 2003. From 1999-2002, Nesbit played for the Panthers, where he started.

Meanwhile, unrestricted free agent SLB Carlos Emmons (Eagles) visited the Giants yesterday and The Ledger speculates that Emmons is one of the Giants' most wanted free agent targets. Emmons will undergo a physical from the Giants today (Emmons broke his left fibula in December). The Eagles, Saints, and Steelers are also pursuing Emmons.

Unrestricted free agents DT Fred Robbins (Vikings), DT Steve Martin (Texans), OG Mike Goff (Bengals), and CB William Bartee (Chiefs) also arrived at Giants Stadium yesterday. Robbins' agent says the level of mutual interest between Robbins and the Giants is "high". According to Martin's agent, the Texans are making a late push to re-sign Martin by raising their offer to him.

OC Rich Braham (Bengals) is scheduled to visit the Giants today. S Rich Coady (Rams) is scheduled to visit next week. The New York Post reports that while Braham is visiting, it is the 28-year old Goff who the Giants have higher on their wish list. The Post says the Giants are interested in converting Goff, who played right guard with the Bengals, into a center.

There was one internet report that said the Giants may also be interested in DE Bert Berry (Broncos). The Denver press speculates that LB Ian Gold (Broncos) may also be of interest to the Giants.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 6^th, 2004, 10:07am

Giants also ink DT Fred Robbins from the Vikes...

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN3088163.htm

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 7^th, 2004, 3:57pm

Giants sign Shaun O'Hara from Cleveland to play center. He is also an excellent long snapper as well. Nice to see them rebuilding the O- line...

http://www.giants.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=234161&right_include=/includes/eisens_archive_module.cfm

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Mar 7^th, 2004, 11:31pm

The Giants aren't getting the big name guys, but are filling there whole rather well. They still have a wasy to go before they get back to a SB team, or playoff team for that matter. I see them bringing up the rear in the NFC East this year.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 10^th, 2004, 8:48pm

Wow...the Giants will have a completely new set of linebackers this season. Jones, Short and Barrow all gone after they cut Barrow today...

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 10^th, 2004, 9:48pm

So, Jim, what's your take on the Dhani Jones for Carlos Emmons swap? Any winners and losers or is it a push?

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 10^th, 2004, 9:55pm

I don't know really....Jones thinks he is better than he really is. Mr. air guitar after every tackle. ::) He is speedy for sure. Emmons is less flashy, but a better tackler I think. Maybe the change of scenery will do both of them good and they both play well.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 10^th, 2004, 10:03pm

The thing I noticed about Emmons was that you never noticed him... at least until he was injured. He is very solid and does his job well. I think he should be able to come back from his broken leg without any problems. He is a bit bigger than Jones, yet has enough speed to shut down the TEs and RBs coming out of the backfield.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 10^th, 2004, 10:29pm

The knock on all three departed LB's were that none of them were good in pass coverage. Barrett Green and Emmons are better vs. the pass then the three ex backers were. I have heard rumors the Giants will hand the job to one of their your guys already on the team (Nick Greisen) or draft a rookie in the second or third round in this year's draft.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 11^th, 2004, 8:19am

What happened to Brandon Short? I don't remember seeing anything about him leaving. I remember him being a very good LB at Penn State and it seemed like he was just starting to come into his own as an NFL LB - at least when I saw him play against the Eagles.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 15^th, 2004, 6:12pm

Giants sign another former Browns offensive lineman in Barry Stokes. That gives them three solid lineman, and hopefully a fourth when they draft Gallery.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYG/7174014

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 3^rd, 2004, 9:18pm

This offseason is going to be an interesting ride for Collins owners. From "The REAL Feed":

Collins' future with Giants still in doubt
SI.com: NFL (03.04.2004 19:27)

LOCAL and OFFICIAL backup from "the Gridiron Newsstand", including a little news on Ron Dayne and the chances of his mounting a comeback with new head coach Tom Coughlin at the helm:

Straight from the horse's mouth, the Giants official web site,
http://www.giants.com/;

AP report -
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-FBN-Giants-Collins.html;

Giants notebook piece, includes info on Dayne and Collins -
http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1080900608221740.xml.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 6^th, 2004, 2:12pm

As per "The REAL Feed", here's the latest on Collins:

Collins future depends on Giants' draft picks
ESPN: NFL (05.04.2004 22:55)

Hmmmm... [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 8^th, 2004, 12:02am

Well, news out of "the Gridiron Newsstand" indicates that the Giants are seeking a trade with the Chargers for the No. 1 pick:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1777846;

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/story?id=1777540.

They are eyeing up Manning big-time. Could be [smiley=wave.gif] Collins!

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Apr 8^th, 2004, 7:31pm

Great info, Steg-man! The G-Men's answer to Chad! (For the Left Coasters, this is like the Raiders/9ers.) I wonder what the Giants would look like with a major QB.....Let the bandwagoning begin!

P.S. I really like Chad, too.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by kidcrash on Apr 8^th, 2004, 8:04pm

I cant believe the chargers have not learned from the vick deal,some say the giants should not do the deal :-/ I realize they need alot of help but you have to start some where.Eli manning seem to me like a great place to start to me.Hey callie I like chad also.thanks again for the link help ;D

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Apr 8^th, 2004, 8:17pm

Any time, Crash. Thanks for the thanks! Lookin' forward to your info!!!!

And here's what All Sorts Sports says about the Giants/Manning thing:

"8 April, 2004

Giants (NJ.com) The Giants' intentions in the April 24 draft might no longer be much of a secret. They hold the fourth overall pick and general manager Ernie Accorsi called Chargers general manager A.J. Smith two days ago to ask the cost of trading up to the No. 1 spot. Can you say "Eli Manning?" "I've also spoken to another club ahead of us and one behind us," Accorsi said last night. "We're exploring our options. I've said that we'd explore our options from the beginning, from moving up to moving down to staying where we are." The Giants aren't about to divulge any draft-room secrets. Yet the latest round of speculation was actually supplied by Smith, who told the Associated Press yesterday: "(The Giants) would like to move from four to one. Anything we discuss (beyond that) is football business between the two of us." Of course, just the public acknowledgment of their trade discussion by Smith and Accorsi may be proof in itself that nothing is on the front-burner. But should they make a deal, there is little doubt that Manning is the Giants' man. They love Iowa left tackle Robert Gallery, too, but not No. 1 overall. Meanwhile, the Giants continued to be active in free agency yesterday, adding a big run-stuffer -- emphasis on "big" -- in signing defensive tackle Norman Hand to a two-year, $2-million contract."

Wait-and-see time of the year.....

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 12^th, 2004, 11:03am

Regarding the news of the Giants seeking a trade with the Chargers for the No. 1 pick, allegedly to get Eli Manning, here's what's currently topping "The REAL Feed":

Giants Interest in Manning a Smokescreen?
About.com: Football (12.04.2004 07:35)
Reports surfaced over the weekend that the New York Giants have contacted the San Diego Chargers about acquiring the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft, presumably with the intent of selecting Mississippi quarterback Eli Manning. But don't be...

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by The Juror on Apr 13^th, 2004, 7:41pm

I am a huge Giants Fan, (hence the LT picture), but I think the Giants really want Gallery, but are afraid that he will not be there at 4. I tend to think that Gallery is a very solid pick and the QB, whomever it is, needs the protection to do anything. I know I am stating the obvious, but I think the Giants will do fine with Collins and can win with him at the helm. Go for the lineman. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Apr 14^th, 2004, 8:21pm

This thing is a lot of fun for me. Here's what All Sorts Sports said today:

"14 April, 2004

Chargers (The Union-Tribune) Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith has said repeatedly that he won't seriously consider trade offers for the top pick in this month's NFL draft until tomorrow at the earliest. Still, the pervasive opinion among many league observers is that Smith wants to unload the selection. The opinions are based not only on the Chargers having numerous holes to fill after an eighth consecutive non-winning season, but also on the fact that the team mass e-mailed writers and reporters last week after the New York Giants inquired about possibly dealing for the choice. It's almost unheard of for a club to post such information on its Web site, let alone do a mass mailing to reporters about it. A lot of people took that to mean that the Chargers are desperate to stir up interest in the pick, then unload it to the highest bidder. However, after further review, a trade seems less likely with each passing day. The reason is Iowa offensive tackle Robert Gallery. Two well-placed sources said recently that there is no chance of Gallery slipping past the second pick, where he would be taken by the Oakland Raiders or a team that trades with them, possibly Cleveland or Washington. If true, that almost forces the Chargers to stay at No. 1. The Chargers' two biggest needs are offensive tackle and quarterback, in that order. If Gallery goes second overall as expected, trading down could cost the Chargers not only the top-rated offensive linemen, but also top-rated quarterback Eli Manning of Mississippi, who is projected to go first overall. At this point, things are playing out in such a fashion that they likely will stay put and take Manning."

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 28^th, 2004, 11:44pm

News coming out here in the New York metropolitan area indicates that Neil O'Donnell may be going to the Giants to, at first, START [smiley=ohshit.gif] and then by around mid-season fill the role of Eli Manning's backup. Here is the LOCAL corroboration from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/188043p-162805c.html;

http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/23406.htm.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Apr 29^th, 2004, 5:36pm

Guess we all heard Collins got the axe. Think he'll end up backing up Gannon???

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/football/nfl/oakland_raiders/

OOPS, wrong thread... ;)

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 1^st, 2004, 4:44pm

Here's, at least, a curious piece from "The REAL Feed":

Strahan lowers expectations (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1792522)
ESPN: NFL (01.05.2004 14:51)

Not really what Giants fans want to hear, I would guess!

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on May 6^th, 2004, 7:05pm

From Kurt Warner's agent about the Giants:

"It's a team that is looking for a quarterback," Bartelstein said. "We've certainly talked to them. Whether it will lead to anything is hard to say. The Giants are one of the teams I've had ongoing conversations with regarding Kurt's situation. They just drafted a quarterback who is going to be their franchise quarterback, there is no question about that. Kurt understands that. He understands you're not going to find the perfect situation in May or June."

IMHO - They need a guy to cover the first half of the season, at least, until Eli is ready. At this point, it's probably Kurt's best hope to start.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on May 6^th, 2004, 7:28pm

on 05/06/04 at 19:05:19, Callie wrote:

Unbelievable waste of money if the Giants sign him. He is garbage. He can't throw the ball anymore. The games he played last year were embarrasing!!!

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on May 6^th, 2004, 8:09pm

Who do you want or expect?

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on May 7^th, 2004, 5:36am

on 05/06/04 at 20:09:39, Callie wrote:

Who do you want or expect?

As an Eagles fan, I hope they sign him. He sucks.

From a football perspective, they would be better off getting a guy who could actually throw the ball if he had to. O'Donnell was a good option. Vinny Testaverde is another who comes to mind.(I admit he is questionable) Jeff Blake would also be good.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 7^th, 2004, 9:58am

All they are looking for is a guy to tutor Manning. Out of all of those options, Testaverde would be a good teacher. Not sure about Warner or Blake in that position...

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 7^th, 2004, 10:00am

I agree that Testaverde would be the best choice. He is good enough to keep the Giants playing well until Manning is ready. He can handle the notorious NY media. He has the most experience and would probably be the most willing to accept the role.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 8^th, 2004, 2:55am

What is up with this pansy-ass BS? HOT off "The REAL Feed":

Giants' head coach Coughlin probed for mini-camp program
FaceOff: Football (07.05.2004 20:52)
(AP) - The NFL Players Association is investigating complaints about New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin's off-season training program.

Union Probes Giants Camp Complaints
AP Sports (07.05.2004 20:51)
The NFL Players Association is investigating complaints about New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin's offseason training program.

Here's is ALL the LOCAL chatter from "the Gridiron Newsstand"; if this is of special interest to you, I would HIGHLY advise scanning through them all even though I tried to make notations here and there; there are some REAL good pieces here, but they are just ordered according to where the sources they are derived from lie on "the Newsstand":

(Goodie - Fans the flame(r)s) ;)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/08/sports/football/08ANDE.html;

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/08/sports/football/08GIAN.html;

(Summarizes)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/190865p-165042c.html;

http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/16858.htm;

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-sbgiants073791689may07,0,7864473.story?coll=ny-giants-print;

(More concise summary)
http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1083922419102200.xml;

(Coughlin's "sweatshop" rules)
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giantsrules0507,0,1781375.story?coll=ny-giants-print;

(AP)
http://www.nj.com/sportsflash/giants/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?j0184_BC_FBN--GiantsComplaints&&sports&njogiants;

(Summary)
http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,959102,00.html;

(Summary)
http://www.app.com/nfl/giants/story/0,21405,958936,00.html;

(Goodie)
http://www.app.com/nfl/giants/story/0,21405,959760,00.html.

I don't know. This offseason has been absolutely AWESOME in some ways, downright embarrassing in others. With the T.O. whine-fest and then the Manning family whiny draft ultimatums, this BS is just the pink icing on the fluffly angel food cake, either that or par for the course, anymore. This is football, right? We are at war, no? ::)

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on May 10^th, 2004, 6:09pm

"The Boston Globe reports rumors abounded last week that the Giants are interested not only in pursuing soon-to-be-ex-Rams QB Kurt Warner, but also Raiders QB Rich Gannon or Tampa Bay QB Brad Johnson. Factoring in age, Gannon makes the most sense because he is near the end of a long career and would not likely stand in Manning's way for long. Neither Gannon nor Johnson is a free agent, but recently released QB Kerry Collins could land in Oakland, and that would make Gannon expendable. The Giants will wait to see which quarterbacks become free agents after June 1, when the on-the-book bonus money can be spread over two years."

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on May 14^th, 2004, 6:45pm

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- The New York Giants signed veteran free-agent placekicker Bill Gramatica on Friday, giving Matt Bryant a little more competition for training camp.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-giants-gramatica&prov=ap&type=lgns

?.?.?

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 20^th, 2004, 3:50pm

More roster moves. The G-men sign JuJuwan Dawson and James McKnight at WR and another D-Lineman in Glen Steele from the Bengals. Looks like there is lots of depth there on the line now. You knew Coughlin would improve both lines once he got settled, and he has done that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=1805454&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 20^th, 2004, 4:38pm

on 05/20/04 at 15:50:56, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Looks like there is lots of depth there on the line now. You knew Coughlin would improve both lines once he got settled, and he has done that.

He may have improved the lines, but they are still weak spots for the team. I would hardly consider the lines deep.

On offense, Petitgout is an average LT, the LG (Barry Stokes) is nothing special. Center Shaun O'Hara came from the same weak Cleveland O-line as Stokes. Chris Snee is a rookie who will probably start at RG (and if not, David Diehl is certainly nothing to write home about) and Ian Allen (who?) is the RT. As for the depth? Wayne Lucier and Rich Seubert? I'd still be worried if I was a Giants fan.

On defense, Strahan can still get it done at DE, but he's getting older and doesn't seem happy with the new administration. Osi Umenyiora will be the other DE. He didn't show much last year and is still undersized. Fred Robbins (who struggled in Minnesota despite playing next to Chris Hovan) will team with William Joseph (who had an unimpressive rookie year for a first-round pick) at DT. Granted Norman Hand and Keith Washington add some good depth and experience (and a lot of age) off the bench, but the D-line still doesn't inspire much fear (outside of Strahan) in the hearts of offensive coordinators.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 20^th, 2004, 11:43pm

I'd be more worried about your team's secondary issues than my team's lines my friend. ::)

I think the Giants lines will be greatly improved over last years, enough to compete in the division (if they don't start Manning that is)

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 21^st, 2004, 2:48pm

You have one stud on your offensive AND defensive lines... total.

The Eagles have (possibly) the best safety in football in Brian Dawkins. They have one of the best young safeties in Michael Lewis. Their two young corners played well last year when Taylor and Vincent missed lots of time and they had a free-agent saftey who played very well while Dawkins was out. The Eagles drafted a Taylor-like corner in Matt Ware in the 3rd round of the draft, plus they'll bring in a veteran CB to play the nickel. Also, they had no pass rush with all their injuries last year -- they will this year.

So, I feel much more confident with the Eagles secondary than I do with either of the Giants lines... of course Las Vegas agrees with me too. The Eagles are the favorite in the NFC to get to the Super Bowl. Smart bettors are staying away from the Giants.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 21^st, 2004, 6:01pm

Sorry to break up you guys' little tea party here, but I had to report about this. News about this is piling up on "The REAL Feed":

Coughlin's violations cost Giants 2 workout days
ESPN: NFL (21.05.2004 15:59)
Coughlin's offseason program violates CBAEAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New York Giants had two days of their offseason program taken away Friday for violating the NFL's collective bargaining agreement under new coach Tom Coughlin. After receiving several recent complaints from players, Harold Hend...

Here are the reports coming out of the local sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.giants.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=243785&right_include=/includes/eisens_archive_module.cfm;

(AP report)
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/wire/sns-ap-fbn-giants-violations,0,4662735.story?coll=sns-ap-giants-headlines.

What a bunch of eds! [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 28^th, 2004, 12:52pm

Giants sign Steelers saftey Brent Alexander, shoring up another weak spot (free safety)

http://www.giants.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=244305&right_include=/includes/eisens_archive_module.cfm

Contrary to what my fine feathered fried suggests, the giants have shored up many of their weak spots from last year, adding a ton of depth on both lines. As many of you know, you don't have to have five all pro linemen to have a solid offensive line. And, if you have several solid defensive linemen to set up a decent rotation, you have fresh guys at the end of games.

They have added tremendous depth to their D-line (Norman Hand, Lorenzo Bromell, Martin Chase, Fred Robbins, Glen Steele) which was a huge problem last year- especially against the run. These signings to go with Keith Washington, Lance Legree, Michael Strahan, William Joseph, and Osi Umenyiora should provide a very very solid rotation.

The signings of Barry Stokes, Sean O'Hara, and Ed Ellis should provide huge depth and versatility on the offensive side. Luke Petitgout and Rich Seubert should hopefully be recovered from injuries and rookie Chris Snee should step in and start immediately. Diehl, Petitgout, O'Hara, and Snee should be very solid starters. Hopefully Seubert can return healthy and man the fifth spot.

In reality, none of this really matters if the start a rookie QB...so we'll see if all of that off season work to shore up the team is for naught.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 28^th, 2004, 1:05pm

This guy Alexander must be good if he was not re-signed by the Steelers. They really needed help in their secondary after a poor showing in 2003.

That's like taking two cast-off offensive linemen from Cleveland... oops, they did that too! Remember all those nasty hits that Couch and Holcomb kept taking? Now picture a Mama's boy (err, a Daddy's boy) rookie QB in there trying to figure out what is going on. (Not to mention that his teammates weren't all that thrilled about his arrival and the subsequent ouster of Kerry Collins.)

Well, their defensive line won't be too bad, but it's still nothing more than average.

Anyway, things seem pretty happy in Eagle-land. Everyone is getting along. None of the coaches are breaking mini-camp rules. None of the player reps are tattling on their new head coach. Yeah, I can see how you'd be more optimistic as a Giants fan than an Eagles fan...

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 28^th, 2004, 3:01pm

Jeff-

Lighten up.

Do I think the Eagles will win the East? Yes. Are they more talented than New York? Absolutley. Will they win the Super Bowl? It is quite possible.

Am I more optimistic about the state of the Giants now that I was at the end of last season. Yes, I am. Is that a bad thing? According to you it is. Just because the Eagles are in a better situation the the Giants are right now doesn't mean that will stay that way. So go ahead and poke fun now while you can. I'll sit back and watch Eli and the boys take their lumps this year without saying one word, just like I'll watch T.O. play the entire year without complaining. ::)

I just thought you were a bit more classier than that.

Good luck to you this season.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 28^th, 2004, 4:16pm

Now, now, girls...

[smiley=coolit.gif]
[smiley=arguing.gif]

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 28^th, 2004, 4:50pm

on 05/28/04 at 16:16:14, StegRock wrote:

Now, now, girls...

This little issue has already been resolved. No need for any additional comments, assumptions, or interference. It's all good.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 28^th, 2004, 6:44pm

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 3^rd, 2004, 3:24pm

Here's "the deal" on Warner-to-the-Giants from off the top of "The REAL Feed":

NFL: Giants sign Kurt Warner
StarTribune: Sports (03.06.2004 13:39)
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Two-time NFL MVP Kurt Warner signed with the New York Giants in a move that gives the team a veteran quarterback in case top draft pick Eli Manning is not ready to start this season.

Here's the LOCAL talk and reports from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.giants.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=244930&right_include=/includes/eisens_archive_module.cfm;

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/199309p-172072c.html;

(Opinion piece saying Warner is NOT a good fit)
http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMDYmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY1MzY0NzYmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2;

http://www.silive.com/sportsflash/giants/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?j0132_BC_FBN--Giants-Warner&&sports&njogiants.

There is more and I am sure there will be much more to come. The above will give you a good feel of the situation, though. ... They say Warner will be named the starter! :o

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jun 11^th, 2004, 11:03am

Jeremy Shockey has a stress-fracture in his foot.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/story/201722p-174102c.html

This is the same guy who, just two years into the league, has already missed half a season due to injuries. This must be getting old for Giants fans and Shockey owners.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Jun 15^th, 2004, 9:06pm

Saw this today, which sounds even worse...

"Jeremy Shockey is seeking a second opinion on the hot spots he is experiencing in his foot. There are two courses of action here. One is he could have surgery and the other is that he could require a lot of rest."

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 23^rd, 2004, 1:30am

Shockey opts for the foot surgery...

Here are some links off the REAL FEED:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN3313660.htm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1826604&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

East Rutherford, NJ (Sports Network) - New York Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey had surgery on his injured right foot Tuesday.

The surgery took place at the Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte, N.C. It was performed by Dr. Robert Anderson, an orthopedic foot specialist, and the procedure involved the placement of a screw to the fifth metatarsal of his right foot.

Shockey is expected to be ready for the start of the season, but no timetable has been set for his return.

The Miami product finished the 2003 campaign with 48 catches for 535 yards and two touchdowns. He has 122 career receptions for 1,429 yards and four scores in two seasons.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 23^rd, 2004, 1:32am

From "The REAL Feed" and LOCAL sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand", the latest on Shockey's foot, on which he just had surgery:

Shockey has foot surgery
The Sports Network: NFL (22.06.2004 23:31)

Pro Bowler Shockey has foot surgery
ESPN: NFL (22.06.2004 22:52)
Tight end will miss start of Giants campEAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Two-time Pro Bowl tight end Jeremy Shockey had surgery on his right foot on Tuesday that will cause him to miss the start of the New York Giants' training camp. Shockey had a screw inserted into the fifth metatarsal of his foot by D...

(From the official site)
http://www.giants.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=247155&right_include=/includes/eisens_archive_module.cfm;

(Only current LOCAL report)
http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/26283.htm;

(AP report)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/23/sports/football/23shockey.html.

They say he'll back for the season. Shockey owners start... [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Jul 29^th, 2004, 5:48pm

Eli gets top pick money anyway. [smiley=money.gif]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=551&ncid=755&e=1&u=/ap/20040729/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_giants_manning

(Archie sure can raise 'em!)

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 30^th, 2004, 7:15pm

Kurt is sure fightin' for some respect and "his" job. This, currently from the top of "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)":

Warner still believes Giants QB job is his
ESPN: NFL (30.07.2004 17:39)
Manning's large contract not an issueALBANY, N.Y. -- While Eli Manning has a bright future and a bank account filled with money, two-time NFL MVP Kurt Warner believes the job of quarterbacking the New York Giants is his. At least for now. "I am going to go in there and prove to them that I deserv...

Here respectively are the AP report as well as some LOCAL talk about it all from off "the Gridiron Newsstand (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)":

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/wire/sns-ap-fbn-giants-warner,0,7380799.story?coll=sns-ap-giants-headlines;

http://www.syracuse.com/nfl/spnet.ssf?/default.asp?c=advance&page=nfl/news/ABN3282967.htm.

[smiley=boxer.gif] Lace 'em up, boyz! It's gonna be a real dog [smiley=dog.gif] fight! [smiley=boxer.gif]

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 2^nd, 2004, 8:35pm

Minor news from Giant-land:

Michael Eisen, of Giants.com, reports the New York Giants designated RB Antwoine Womack (knee) as waived/injured.

Michael Eisen, of Giants.com, reports the New York Giants designated RB Jermaine Green (back) as waived/injured.

Michael Eisen, of Giants.com, reports the New York Giants have signed RB Derrick Knight. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Michael Eisen, of Giants.com, reports the New York Giants have signed RB Chris Douglas. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Aug 6^th, 2004, 11:19pm

http://www.extremeskins.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=banghaha&file=index

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 18^th, 2004, 5:59am

Eli's turn to start this week. The QB race is pretty even so far.

From the REAL FEED:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYG/7586223

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=531&ncid=531&e=8&u=/ap/20040817/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_nfl_camps_rdp

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1861209&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 29^th, 2004, 9:50pm

Warner named Giants starting QB

New York Giants QB Kurt Warner has been named the starting quarterback for the team's first regular season game against the Philadelphia Eagles Sunday, Sep. 12.

http://www.nfl.com/partners/aol?http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYG/7626267

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1870555&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

Title: Re: Giants Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 29^th, 2004, 10:53pm

And, KUDOS, Jim, on your early prediction in your Giants fantasy-specific team report (link below) that Warner would be the starter come the regular season: [smiley=bow.gif]

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/giants/giants-footballinfoframes.htm!

You stuck to your guns! [smiley=gunsablazin.gif] Great job, brother! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]