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(Message started by: StegRock on Mar 9th, 2004, 12:42pm)
Title: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 9th, 2004, 12:42pm
HOT off "the Gridiron Newsstand"...  Garner goes to the Bucs:

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=3695;

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGA52MH6MRD.html.

I think this is a GREAT signing for Steggie ;) ... [smiley=whistle.gif] , I mean the Bucs!  Garner, even at his advanced age, is a big upgrade over Pittman or Jones.  Gruden loves him and he should see the ball A LOT.  This is also great news for B. Johnson owners (eh-hem [smiley=awwgee.gif] ) as he'll be dumping the ball off to the versatile Garner A TON!  (How the winds of change blow through fantasy football with such alacrity!)  I expect 1,100 rushing yards and another 800+ receiving yards with 9 overall touchdowns out of Garner in '04 [smiley=ohshit.gif] (granted I would have rather seen him go to Denver both as a Broncomaniac and for fantasy purposes :-/ ).
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by kidcrash on Mar 9th, 2004, 12:50pm
Correction,dont you mean garcia throwing to garner ;D IMO that would be even better.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by kidcrash on Mar 9th, 2004, 1:05pm
OOPS,I guess I spoke out of turn,It will be johnson :-X
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 11th, 2004, 1:17pm
WIP Sports Radio in Philadelphia reported that the Bucs had released S John Lynch.  I went looking for confirmation, and only one site had anything...

http://bucs.tbo.com/

It mentions that the Bucs are denying his release, but Lynch has a press conference scheduled this afternoon to discuss his contract status.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 11th, 2004, 3:35pm
I don't think they're releasing him... just re-structuring his contract. I could be wrong.

I also think Tampa Bay has had the best off-season in addressing all their "needs" and with minimal cap room. I also could be wrong, but I doubt it.  ;D
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 11th, 2004, 3:42pm

on 03/11/04 at 15:35:10, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:
I don't think they're releasing him... just re-structuring his contract. I could be wrong.

I also think Tampa Bay has had the best off-season in addressing all their "needs" and with minimal cap room. I also could be wrong, but I doubt it.  ;D


Ok, I think I'm just totally wrong.. I just read that on ESPN radio they reported S John Lynch being cut, and WR David Boston being traded to the Bucs!!!!!! Man, I love this. Though, are we going to turn into an unstoppable offense with a terrible defense?  :-/
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 11th, 2004, 4:04pm
Here's the confirmation, via the Gridiron Newsstand...

Lynch Released:
http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=3701

He shouldn't be out of work for too long...
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 11th, 2004, 5:37pm

on 03/11/04 at 16:04:25, Philly wrote:
Here's the confirmation, via the Gridiron Newsstand...

Lynch Released:
http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=3701

He shouldn't be out of work for too long...


[offtopic] Oh....how good he would look in the Eagles secondary teamed up with Dawkins.  The Eagles corners are going to need all the help they can get.
[smiley=thinking.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 11th, 2004, 5:49pm

on 03/11/04 at 17:37:59, DirkDiggler wrote:
[offtopic] Oh....how good he would look in the Eagles secondary teamed up with Dawkins.  The Eagles corners are going to need all the help they can get.
[smiley=thinking.gif][/offtopic]


I'll be honest with you... I'm very happy with Michael Lewis and would take him over John Lynch at this point in their respective careers.  I also think Clinton Hart did a decent job filling in for B-Dawk last season when he was hurt, so I'd rather see the Eagles spend their money somewhere else.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 11th, 2004, 6:02pm

on 03/11/04 at 17:49:01, Philly wrote:
I'll be honest with you... I'm very happy with Michael Lewis and would take him over John Lynch at this point in their respective careers.  I also think Clinton Hart did a decent job filling in for B-Dawk last season when he was hurt, so I'd rather see the Eagles spend their money somewhere else.


Agreed, the last thing the Eagles need right now is a SS, they need to address their other issues first.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 18th, 2004, 12:06pm
Well, news is heating up that the Bucs will be brining in QB Brian Griese and WR Joey Galloway.

Here's the bead on "The REAL Feed" regarding Griese:

Griese joins the Bucs
The Sports Network: NFL (18.03.2004 12:08)

Griese reaches agreement in principle with Bucs
NFL.com (18.03.2004 00:00)
The former Denver and Miami QB agreed in principle on a three-year contract with a team that already has Brad Johnson, Jason Garrett and Chris Simms.

More Griese news from the LOCAL dailies on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAIEE5AYRD.html;

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/pro/buccaneers/orl-spt-bucs031804,1,4648714.story?coll=orl-bucs.

Here's how the Galloway deal is going down according to the LOCAL dailies:

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/03/18/Bucs/Bucs_and_Galloway_nea.shtml;

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/pro/buccaneers/orl-spt-keyshawn031804,1,2497473.story?coll=orl-bucs.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 20th, 2004, 1:54am
Well, Joey Galloway is in the house in Tampa!  A FANTASTIC addition.  Here is ALL the LOWDOWN from the LOCAL sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=3714;

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=3716;

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAFT9P51SD.html;

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/pro/buccaneers/orl-spt-bucssigning032004,1,48474.story?coll=orl-bucs;

This is just more AWESOME news for Brad Johnson and owners of Johnson in fantasy leagues!  He's surely going to have the weapons and, moreover, the right mix of weaponry.  Galloway is a perfect complement to both McCardell and Jurevicius (unlike Keyshawn who is kind of of that same mold).  With the acquisition of Garner and even White and Bennett, Johnson now has the perfect backs for the dink-and-dunk passing game, which he loves; he also now has a legit go-long guy in Galloway, for which he has the arm, and he has his over-the-middle blue-collar receivers.  This is a PERFECT arsenal for an intelligent, strong-armed quarterback like Johnson.  Expect SOLID-to-GAUDY numbers from him in '04! [smiley=yes.gif]

...

In other Bucs-related news, Warren Sapp and John Lynch are immimently departing.  Here is a piece on where it seems at this point they will likely end up:

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAQUKE61SD.html.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 21st, 2004, 1:28pm

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This is just more AWESOME news for Brad Johnson and owners of Johnson in fantasy leagues!  He's surely going to have the weapons and, moreover, the right mix of weaponry.  Galloway is a perfect complement to both McCardell and Jurevicius (unlike Keyshawn who is kind of of that same mold).  With the acquisition of Garner and even White and Bennett, Johnson now has the perfect backs for the dink-and-dunk passing game, which he loves; he also now has a legit go-long guy in Galloway, for which he has the arm, and he has his over-the-middle blue-collar receivers.  This is a PERFECT arsenal for an intelligent, strong-armed quarterback like Johnson.  Expect SOLID-to-GAUDY numbers from him in '04!


Hello--

I just want a little reality check before you project numbers for Johnson.  Remember, he may NOT be the QB for the Bucs.  Yes, I know that he probably will be and that odds are very much in favor of it, but there is that chance.

Rumors are circulating all over the place that they are looking for another QB. RUMORS RUMORS RUMORS....  

I normally would say that rumors are just that, rumors.  However, IMO, there are toooooo many rumors saying they want another QB.  I think time and the June 1st cut date will ultimately indicate who the Bucs starter will be for the 2004 season.  (I think this is true for many teams.)
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 21st, 2004, 4:35pm
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!  IT'S A SEQUEL!

If you do, you fall prey, like those fools at FFToday did, ::) to "stories" like Jeff Garcia's heading to Tampa, which ultimately came from the mouth of his daddy.

Anyway, first it was Shaun King (where's he now?); then, Shane Matthews and Jim Miller (where are they now?  ...  Really, I have no clue); then, Jeff Garcia (went somewhere else); now, Brian Griese ([smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] , read, perfect backup); who's next?  This is the plight of Brad Johnson's career!  Constant doubt!

Here's the real deal...  Gruden just likes to bring in competition.  It is part of his coaching philosophy to keep his starters on their toes by not letting them sit back on their laurels and providing them at least a modicum competition.  Brian Griese is just that for Johnson.

Specifically regarding Brian Griese, though, this really could be a great place for him to revive his career, initially as a backup for perhaps two years or until B.J. retires or incurs that really bad injury, which is always a realistic concern for him.  Gruden in Tampa has evidently come up with a version of the west-coast offense "for the immobile quarterback"; Griese's arm isn't as strong as Johnson's, but he is similar to Johnson with regards to general style of play:  they are both VERY accurate passers with historically high completion percentages and are both not known for their (outside-the-pocket) mobility.  Griese has never mastered the dump-off nor has he learned how to move around in the pocket.  He will surely be able to learn both of those skills from Johnson, the master of the dump-off and very good at moving in the pocket, and Gruden, a great teacher of the dump-off and quarterbacking on the move.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 22nd, 2004, 10:19am
Since the fire is already burning, I thought I'd add a full can of kerosene...

[smiley=flamewar.gif]


This was posted in the Rumor Mill over at Pro Football Talk.  (I was directed to this site by a contact of mine at the NFLPA regarding the Terrell Owens situation.  I was told that the information here is, for the most part, pretty accurate.)

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm


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JOHNSON GETTING CHOPPED?

There's a growing sentiment in league circles that, even though the Buccaneers weren't able to acquire Jeff Garcia or former Jon Gruden protege Rich Gannon, current starter Brad Johnson could be the odd man out come September (if not sooner).

The Buccaneers picked up journeyman Brian Griese, a deposed Denver starter who was unable to secure the job in Miami during a one-year experiment with his father's former team.

On the surface, Griese is no Johnson.  Still, the thinking is that Gruden will try to turn Griese into a Gannonesque reclamation project.  Gannon, who bounced around a trio of teams before landing in Oakland, became a late-career MVP in Gruden's offense.

Also on the roster are Jason Garrett and Chris Simms.  The Bucs surely won't keep four quarterbacks on the opening day roster, and although at first blush Garrett is the most vulnerable, Johnson could be the guy to get the boot.

If/when he goes, Johnson will become the best available quarterback in a lingering free-agency class filled with old men and turds.  He'd be an attractive No. 2 for teams like the Jets, the Bengals, and the Ravens, and he'd be a potential candidate to win the starting job in Oakland, San Fran, and/or Arizona.

As a result, don't be surprised to see the Bucs hold Johnson as long as possible, keeping him out of another team's camp and hurting his ability to win a starting job (and, in turn, to make Gruden look bad for letting him go).

POSTED 6:42 a.m. EST, March 20, 2004
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 22nd, 2004, 2:51pm
You tell your "contact" at the NFLPA (read, receptionist who is into fantasy football ;) ) to sit on it and rotate.  A very amateurish site located at http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm is NOT what I would call a reputable, no less official, NFL information source.  In any event, I know the site.  I went a couple times in the past; they were spinning some kind of web about a player over there that was interesting me.  It ended up being wrong and I summarily took it off of my go-to list.  That was about two years ago and I haven't been there since.  The site's ALL about HYPE(perbole) and it's VERY amateurish set-up belies the claim of your NFLPA source!  Don't believe me, though, visit it yourself.  NFL Insiders AND Lawn "Mowerers"... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Any site that claims that they know some juice that you CANNOT substantiate anywhere else, you MUST seriously question.  Hype is their whole sell.  They think of something that sounds plausible and then spin it into a story.  They think that being different, presenting exciting-sounding HYPE, getting lucky maybe 10 to 25% of the time while the other 75 to 90% of the time gets swept under the carpet is a recipe for success.  They go about all of this very cleverly.  You will notice that a lot of the bigger hype stories, like this one about Johnson, they do not even predict will come to fruition until June when this "bold" prediction of theirs in March will be long forgotten about.  BUT, here their link is laying on another site's message board getting some attention and (as per the post above, good) press (which is fine, I'm just pointing it out for the purposes of making my case regarding their tactic).  Bottom line, you have to turn a wary eye towards FF sites that "claim" they have an inside angle (but need to mow lawns to stay afloat) and are in the business of passing along NFL news and predicting NFL matters (read, not fantasy football-oriented speculation,... that's fine) that, moreover, cannot be substantiated by other major sources (which, for argument's sake, we will include KFFL and Fanball), but has an amateurish presentation like this site (unlike KFFL, Fanball, FantasyAsylum, FFToday, JunkyardJake, The Roto Times, Fantasy Insights, Pro Fantasy Sports, FFMastermind, FantasyFootballCafe, and, hell, FantasyFootballer.com for that matter, by the way, all linked to at http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/).

Okay, that was my attack on the site as a whole.  Now, let's look at the report specifically.  Yea, Gruden and the Bucs are going to IN JUNE hand over the reigns to Brian Griese (Jason Garrett and Chris Simms).  Sure, whatever! ::) They are going to make Griese into another Rich Gannon, who, as they tendentiously point out, is similar to Griese in that he too bounced around teams before landing in Oakland (with Gruden).  SOME HUGE DIFFERENCES, THOUGH!  Griese is spiraling downwards.  He started as the heir apparent to Elway and was handed the reigns of this thoroughbred upon the latter's retirement.  He started out VERY WELL, coming out of the gate fast, and, in part because of character issues, has spiraled downwards, away from the Broncos, then briefly through the Dolphins and now to the Buccaneers, since.  Gannon, on the other hand, has done nothing but press onward and upward.  The Vikings, the team who originally drafted him, initially wanted to convert him to a defensive back.  But, as a person with a strong, perseverant character and gritty, don't-quit attitude, Gannon pushed the envelope.  In his limited opportunities with the Vikings, he did well.  His next main destination was Kansas City, where people seem to forget he LIT IT UP when he was on the field.  Unfortunately, he never got a real chance in K.C. because he was there when Montana and Grbac were there.  He then, with his never-say-die attitude, finally landed in Oakland where all of his hard work, perseverance and grit paid off.  He has done nothing but slowly and steadily rise in his career...  Need I wade through all the other HUGE DIFFERENCES between Gannon and Griese.  THERE ARE MANY!  ...  Bottom line, I can't corroborate this claim ANYWHERE reputable.

Bottom, bottom line, stick to 1) the hard facts that are being discussed in major reputable sources and 2) fantasy football speculation.  Then, think for yourself!  And, don't give a site credit for getting it right one in a million times just when you happened to be looking.

By the way, Philly, did you happen to point your NFLPA "contact" in the direction of our site?  Such a plug could REALLY help us.  In any event, you can at least point out my post here to this person, giving him/her a chance to retort.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Mar 22nd, 2004, 3:43pm

on 03/22/04 at 14:51:11, StegRock wrote:
You tell your "contact" at the NFLPA (read, receptionist who is into fantasy football ;) ) to sit on it and rotate.

Unfortunately, as the NFLPA is a client of my company, I am not in a position to reveal names, but rest assured that my contact is not a receptionist.   [smiley=nono.gif]


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A very amateurish site located at http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm is NOT what I would call a reputable, no less official, NFL information source.

I never said it was - it even says that it just a RUMOR MILL.  I was just putting another angle out there.  I was told that they had good information.  I took my source's word and have been reading the site for a few weeks now.  They were right on with the TO situation.  Maybe that is the only thing they had right in 2 1/2 years... I can't say for certain.


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... but has an amateurish presentation like this site (unlike KFFL, Fanball, FantasyAsylum, FFToday, JunkyardJake, The Roto Times, Fantasy Insights, Pro Fantasy Sports, FFMastermind, FantasyFootballCafe, and, hell, FantasyFootballer.com for that matter...

C'mon Steg... you know better than to judge a book by its cover.  I think you did work for a site that has one of the most hideous (IMHO) graphical presentations out there... And I've seen some really great looking sites that have the most hideous content.   [smiley=whatever.gif]


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Okay, that was my attack on the site as a whole.  Now, let's look at the report specifically.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.  But there are a lot of things that happen in the NFL that make very little sense to me.  I'm not saying I agree with the claims (rumors, as it were) made by the site on this issue.  But to ignore all other opinions/angles is foolish.  I think the mere fact that the Bucs were interested in Garcia speaks volumes, so I'm willing to consider the fact that Gruden might be looking to jettison BJ.  Who knows?


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Bottom, bottom line, stick to 1) the hard facts that are being discussed in major reputable sources and 2) fantasy football speculation.  Then, think for yourself!

I understand that just a few short weeks ago the "major reputable sources" were indicating that Terrell Owens had NO shot at becoming an Eagle and the NFLPA case for the Special Master was a weak one at best.  I also understand that soon after the NFL season ended, Philadelphia's NBC (reputable?) affiliate reported that the Eagles had no interest in TO.  This came from Vai Sikahema (the sports reporter) who talked directly to Andy Reid.  Vai has inside ties as a former NFL player.  He is a close friend (and fellow Mormon and BYU alum) of Andy Reid.  Andy Reid himself said, following the season, that he was happy with his WR situation.

The only truth in sports is that "everybody lies".


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By the way, Philly, did you happen to point your NFLPA "contact" in the direction of our site?  Such a plug could REALLY help us.  In any event, you can at least point out my post here to this person, giving him/her a chance to retort.

Why would you want a receptionist/fantasy geek offering their "bad" advice here?  Besides, I'm sure my source would love to visit a site where the first thing they'll encounter is the site owner telling them "to sit on it and rotate".   :o :-X
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 22nd, 2004, 4:52pm
This'll be rather short, believe it or not,... especially since the exchange is ALL very reasonably-stated (by both sides)...


on 03/22/04 at 15:43:09, Philly wrote:
I never said it was - it even says that it just a RUMOR MILL.


Well, given who you were attributing the recommendation of the site to, a representative at the NFLPA, you were de facto lending it (extra) credence.  You are kind of burning both sides of the candle here on me...  OUCH! ;)


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They were right on with the TO situation.  ...just a few short weeks ago the "major reputable sources" were indicating that Terrell Owens had NO shot at becoming an Eagle and the NFLPA case for the Special Master was a weak one at best.  I also understand that soon after the NFL season ended, Philadelphia's NBC (reputable?) affiliate reported that the Eagles had no interest in TO.  This came from Vai Sikahema (the sports reporter) who talked directly to Andy Reid.  Vai has inside ties as a former NFL player.  He is a close friend (and fellow Mormon and BYU alum) of Andy Reid.  Andy Reid himself said, following the season, that he was happy with his WR situation.


Well, you said you have been visiting this site for just a few weeks now.  Over that span of time, I don't think it was that hard to "follow the trend" of the Owens situation.  Hell, the trend became slowly, but surely lucid right here on our "Terrell Owens tracker", which, by the way, I think was one of the better "running" resources anywhere on the internet regarding the Owens situation: [smiley=awwgee.gif]

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1076472205.

And, by the way, no, I don't necessarily think local news sportscasts are the best source of big NFL news.  As a matter of fact, they tend to over-hype things as they relate to their local team.


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C'mon Steg... you know better than to judge a book by its cover.  I think you did work for a site that has one of the most hideous (IMHO) graphical presentations out there... And I've seen some really great looking sites that have the most hideous content.


That site does suck now! ;) It didn't and it didn't always look that bad, either.  Four years ago, it was much cleaner looking.  He just decided to go in the wrong direction as I see it.


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Why would you want a receptionist/fantasy geek offering their "bad" advice here?


Because I am assuming/hoping what you state below is in fact true in the hopes of bettering things around here, which is always "job 1" for me...


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Unfortunately, as the NFLPA is a client of my company, I am not in a position to reveal names, but rest assured that my contact is not a receptionist.


[smiley=whistle.gif] ... ;D
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by bgsgfan on Mar 22nd, 2004, 7:18pm

on 03/22/04 at 15:43:09, Philly wrote:
Why would you want a receptionist/fantasy geek offering their "bad" advice here?  Besides, I'm sure my source would love to visit a site where the first thing they'll encounter is the site owner telling them "to sit on it and rotate".   :o :-X


I don't know, kind of sounds like a really friendly offer to me.  Why, just the other night I made the same proposition to my girlfriend.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 22nd, 2004, 8:41pm
OK, guys.  I just can't resist a comment here from a true lady.  (Stay with me, I'm also a Raider.)  Sorry, Philly, but I believe that Griese truely IS a Johnson.  I mean it the way your nasty little minds are now taking it.  I believe that journeymen QBs can be very good if they work for it, as we know.  They've seen a lot of offenses.  However, Daddy Griese is no Archie Manning when it comes to training QBs, apparently.  Griese reminds me less of Gannon and more of another Raider with a Raider bloodline, a nude surfer named Todd.

As for the site in question, no idea.  No desire to find out.  End the site-oriented Johnson fight and go with the ideas about fantasy football.  What would the move mean to even the secretaries who love fantasy football, some of whom I happen to know and appreciate.

Could Brian ever unseat Brad?  I don't think so.  What do you think?

:) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 26th, 2004, 9:26pm
Well, here's the latest on Pittman [smiley=ghost.gif] from "The REAL Feed":

Bucs RB Pittman pleads guilty to lesser charge
ESPN: NFL (26.03.2004 20:43)

Here is ALL the LOCAL talk from "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAOLXEQ9SD.html;

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/03/26/Bucs/Pittman_pleads_guilty.shtml.

...

Also from "the Newsstand", here is the LATEST on the QB's in Tampa:

On Johnson and how ice water runs through his veins,
http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAFR8QP9SD.html;

On Griese and the huge learning curve he has ahead of him,
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/03/26/Bucs/Bucs__new_quarterback.shtml.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 24th, 2004, 1:33am
Well, looks like Michael Pittman will be on the field yet again in '04.  According to "The REAL Feed",...

Bucs RB Pittman sentenced to 30 days in jail (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN3182353.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (23.04.2004 19:26)

From a couple LOCAL dailies on "the Gridiron Newsstand":

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/pro/buccaneers/orl-sptnflbeat24042404apr24,1,5781004.story?coll=orl-bucs;

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGALE534FTD.html.

This will surely hurt Charlie Garner's production in '04, and while I say this, I have him in the GBRFL. :( Damn!
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 13th, 2004, 2:22pm
RB Michael Pittman back in the fold!?!?  That's what's being indicated on "The REAL Feed" and "the Gridiron Newsstand"!  But, for how long?  ...

Suspension next? Pittman released from jail
ESPN: NFL (13.05.2004 01:17)

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGA1DUNT2UD.html;

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/11/Bucs/Good_behavior_gets_Pi.shtml.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 19th, 2004, 9:38am
Mutiny on the SS Gruden?

WR Keenan McCardell is skipping voluntary workouts in Tampa, due to displeasure with his contract.

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGAEFG1NEUD.html
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on May 19th, 2004, 11:57pm
The Pittman thing is good news for his owners , but a bad thing for Garner owners. Who knows what will happen down there this year.

McCardell should be thankful he is employed. He had a good year last year, but I don't think he will repeat it. They also have Galloway now and he could be the guys this year. McCardell is just trying to get evry $ before he retires at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on May 24th, 2004, 3:32pm
Here's the latest from Peter King (SI.com).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBqbDlib2pqBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwNlY2w-?slug=sharperimage&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

Of particular interest is King's take on the QB sitch in Tampa...


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I think it's going to be very interesting to see if Brad Johnson quarterbacks the Bucs this season. First Tampa Bay thought about flirting with Mark Brunell, but the Redskins blew everyone out of the way with their huge deal for the former Jaguar. Then the Bucs tried to buy Jeff Garcia for a few pennies on the dollar; Garcia went to Cleveland. Now, when Rich Gannon gets released this week, the Bucs could offer what Gannon wants desperately and no other team has: an available starting job. That's assuming Gruden and GM Bruce Allen like Gannon and his rehabbing labrum more than they like Johnson. If they even pick up the phone to talk with Gannon, which I think they will, that would say a lot about their confidence in Johnson, despite how overly effusive Gruden has been in his praise of his QB. Sounds like phony-baloney praise to me.


I've never been a big fan of Peter King, but he seems to be echoing a sentiment that is STILL out there -- that Brad Johnson may not be the QB for the Bucs come September.  I'd be very wary if I was a Brad Johnson owner.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by KillerKingSting on May 24th, 2004, 4:10pm

on 05/24/04 at 15:32:40, Philly wrote:
Here's the latest from Peter King (SI.com).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBqbDlib2pqBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwNlY2w-?slug=sharperimage&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

Of particular interest is King's take on the QB sitch in Tampa...


I've never been a big fan of Peter King, but he seems to be echoing a sentiment that is STILL out there -- that Brad Johnson may not be the QB for the Bucs come September.  I'd be very wary if I was a Brad Johnson owner.


Being close to tampa down here in orlando, I have to say, this is an interesting situation. Gruden never seemed to like Brad Johnson that much from the get go - rumors about the "mobile" QB Gruden prefers, and things of that nature - and to boot, articles down here are always saying "Simms Simms Simms" ,........Brad is an accurate QB and any other QB that they have always thrown in there when Johnson went down has always done much worse in relief (ala Rob Johnson & Shawn King).............I would be extremely surprised if Gannon went to TB but, wouldn't be so surprised if Brad struggles at all this year - that Simms gets a shot at the position.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by BuccaneerWoman on May 24th, 2004, 10:41pm
Any of the 3 would fit in here - Johnson, Gannon or Simms. I would have to agree that there is something going on though because there are way too many rumors about veteran QB's coming to visit. Brad can get it done, he proved it in 02 season. I would just like to see us throw the ball more  than 10 yards. We've never been a deep threat but with Galloway, Clayton and Lee I can't wait to see what Gruden comes up with.  

Keenan needs to get to work. I don't think he can win a money battle with the new additions to the offense.

Go Bucs! Go Bolts!
Shar
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by KillerKingSting on May 24th, 2004, 10:55pm
Yah, part of that dink & dunk passing game was because, the bucs didn't have a running game to speak of and the short pass took some pressure off - another part was the speed ofthe buc's receivers or rather, the lack of - Brad may not have the strongest arm but, I am not sold on Gannon's arm at this point either, .....I really look for Simms to get a genuine shot at this position if something falters..........word out of tampa is that they are really high on him....................ploy to keep Brad on his toes as in 2002?
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2004, 1:05pm

Quote:
This was posted in the Rumor Mill over at Pro Football Talk.  (I was directed to this site by a contact of mine at the NFLPA regarding the Terrell Owens situation.  I was told that the information here is, for the most part, pretty accurate.)

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

JOHNSON GETTING CHOPPED?

There's a growing sentiment in league circles that, even though the Buccaneers weren't able to acquire Jeff Garcia or former Jon Gruden protege Rich Gannon, current starter Brad Johnson could be the odd man out come September (if not sooner).

The Buccaneers picked up journeyman Brian Griese, a deposed Denver starter who was unable to secure the job in Miami during a one-year experiment with his father's former team.

On the surface, Griese is no Johnson.  Still, the thinking is that Gruden will try to turn Griese into a Gannonesque reclamation project.  Gannon, who bounced around a trio of teams before landing in Oakland, became a late-career MVP in Gruden's offense.

Also on the roster are Jason Garrett and Chris Simms.  The Bucs surely won't keep four quarterbacks on the opening day roster, and although at first blush Garrett is the most vulnerable, Johnson could be the guy to get the boot.

If/when he goes, Johnson will become the best available quarterback in a lingering free-agency class filled with old men and turds.  He'd be an attractive No. 2 for teams like the Jets, the Bengals, and the Ravens, and he'd be a potential candidate to win the starting job in Oakland, San Fran, and/or Arizona.

As a result, don't be surprised to see the Bucs hold Johnson as long as possible, keeping him out of another team's camp and hurting his ability to win a starting job (and, in turn, to make Gruden look bad for letting him go).

POSTED 6:42 a.m. EST, March 20, 2004


[smiley=tired.gif]
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jun 9th, 2004, 1:45pm

Quote:
There's a growing sentiment in league circles that, even though the Buccaneers weren't able to acquire Jeff Garcia or former Jon Gruden protege Rich Gannon, current starter Brad Johnson could be the odd man out come September (if not sooner).


It's only June... simmer.

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Anyway, you seem to want to keep throwing this in my face when all I did was provide some other site's opinion on the TB QB sitch.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2004, 4:44pm
Jeff, you've kind of stepped on a mousetrap here.  It's not quite as simple as you state it.  This site was brought up; you, and anybody with a half a brain, could see where I stood on the issue.  You continued to cite them.  Fine...  I don't care if they or anybody else is cited here,... but (know that) they are my whipping boy and that's that for that.  Hell, isn't keeping tabs on them (in these instances brought up here) part of my point/go to prove my point?  I'm not out to make you look bad, man, not in the least. [smiley=letsmakeup.gif] Hell, I did not even quote you (from page 1) by name.  I'm scrutinizing them, Jeff, not you.  You've just put yourself in the middle here.  That doesn't mean I can't rake them over the coals if I want. :-/
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jun 9th, 2004, 5:00pm
Regardless of your intentions... this was at the beginning of the quote you provided:


Quote:
This was posted in the Rumor Mill over at Pro Football Talk.  (I was directed to this site by a contact of mine at the NFLPA regarding the Terrell Owens situation.  I was told that the information here is, for the most part, pretty accurate.)


Even if I wasn't given proper citation, those are still my words.  You say the site is your whipping boy, but the inclusion of my "disclaimer" of the site indicates that maybe you're looking to spread the whipping around a bit.

Regardless, I could care less what you think of the site.  I have no personal stake in the site and will continue to visit it to see what rumors are flying.  If they are true, great, I got advance notice.  If they aren't true, then they can just be lumped with the other rumormongers in the world of sports (ESPN, NFL.com, SI.com, Fanball.com, &c...)

They do have an interesting little piece on Keyshawn in the rumor mill today...  ;)
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2004, 5:20pm
Really, my criticism is directed straight at them...  The fact that you are caught in the grinder here... is just bonus!

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=sinister.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

;) ;) ;) ;) ;) (I hope I put enough winks.) :)

...

Remember, too, that in this case, they are messin' with my boy, Brad! [smiley=smitten.gif]
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Jun 9th, 2004, 8:37pm
When do we get to get back to beating up splitter Chuchy??? [smiley=firinback.gif]
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 22nd, 2004, 12:09pm
RE:  The McCardell holdout...  From "The REAL Feed"...

Bucc-ing the system: McCardell boycotts camp
ESPN: NFL (22.06.2004 10:07)
Wide receiver skips camp in contract disputeContinuing to boycott offseason workouts until his contract grievances are addressed to his satisfaction, Tampa Bay Bucs veteran wide receiver Keenan McCardell failed to report Tuesday morning for the beginning of the team's lone mandatory mincamp.And t...

From LOCAL sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand"...

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGBC67C4SVD.html;

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/22/Bucs/McCardell_to_skip_cam.shtml;

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/pro/buccaneers/orl-sptbucs22062204jun22,1,4976210.story?coll=orl-bucs.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 22nd, 2004, 1:44pm
I say the Bucs should stand firm here. They have Galloway. Keenan is old and has some ground to stand on, but the Buce wont give in. He may find himself getting cut outright if he keeps this shit up. He is clearly a solid WR, but what will he do without KJ getting most of the respect from the DEF.
He had better watch his step, or he will get to steppin'!
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Jun 22nd, 2004, 3:33pm

on 06/22/04 at 13:44:19, DOLFAN wrote:
I say the Bucs should stand firm here. They have Galloway. Keenan is old and has some ground to stand on, but the Buce wont give in. He may find himself getting cut outright if he keeps this shit up. He is clearly a solid WR, but what will he do without KJ getting most of the respect from the DEF.
He had better watch his step, or he will get to steppin'!


They'd do pretty well with Galloway, Lee, and Clayton on the edges.  That would be one big and speedy trio of receivers.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Jun 22nd, 2004, 6:15pm
From KFFL, so you probably saw it, but just in case:

RB Michael Pittman will serve a three-game league-mandated suspension, along with a fine. Terms of the fine and details of the suspension were not disclosed. Pittman's suspension comes as a result of his involvement in a domestic violence incident last May. The suspension is the second handed down by the league against Pittman, who served a one-game suspension in 2001 after being charged in a domestic violence incident.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jun 22nd, 2004, 6:20pm
Here is a follow-up on Callie's report from "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)":

NFL Suspends Bucs' Pittman Three Games
AP Sports (22.06.2004 14:39)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Michael Pittman was suspended by the NFL without pay for three games and fined an additional two games' pay Tuesday for violating the league's personal conduct policy.

Bucs' Pittman receives 3-game suspension
ESPN: NFL (22.06.2004 13:21)
Penalty leveled for domestic abuse convictionBuccaneers running back Michael Pittman has been suspended for three games by the NFL, the result of his domestic abuse conviction from an incident last year, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports.Pittman's suspension will cost him $264,706.00, the equiva...
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 30th, 2004, 11:40pm
This, from Fanball, available on "the Gridiron Newsstand", is worth letting you all know about on this thread here:

http://www.fanball.com/fb/article.cfm/ID.2637.

My favorite quote:

"Quarterback: Brad Johnson, who was one of three quarterbacks to rank in the top five in yards and touchdowns last year, gets zero respect. None. Despite major digits, everyone tries to pound nails in his coffin. Why? I'll tell you. B.J. isn't a sexy player, and fantasy owners can't deal with it. Brian Griese and Chris Simms are nowhere near taking over for Johnson, who is going to silence the haters yet again."

I couldn't agree more.  Where are those profootballtalk.com "rumor mill" trash talkers with their self-proclaimed "'sources' in 'high places'" now, in August? [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ... ::)

...

Again, Philly, don't take this personally!  My criticsm is directed at them, NOT YOU!  I'm allowed to criticize them if I want.  You just put yourself in the middle here. :-/ ... [smiley=letsmakeup.gif] And, mind you, I'm not a huge fan of Fanball either.  I just think they are right here.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 2nd, 2004, 6:01pm
WR Joe Jurevicius's career may sadly be coming to an inevitable end.  Here's what the LOCAL sources down in Florida available on "the Gridiron Newsstand" are saying:

http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGBWP3AREXD.html;

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=3928;

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/02/Bucs/Bucs_lose_Jurevicius_.shtml.

I think this is a shame.  Joe is surely one of the good guys of the NFL and he has certainly endured his share of heartache.  I wish him the best.

On the other hand, this will give a chance for others to step up, especially WR Michael Clayton, and could hasten the re-signing of WR Keenan McCardell.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 10th, 2004, 2:42pm
Tim Brown joins up with Jon Gruden again...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1856293

Brown signed a deal with the Bucs.  He would appear to be the #3 WR behind McCardell and Galloway, however the whole WR situation is pretty unstable in TB right now.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 25th, 2004, 3:11am
From "The REAL Feed"...

McCardell prepared to sit out 2004 season
ESPN: NFL (25.08.2004 01:04)
McCardell, Bucs not budgingIf you think Keenan McCardell is getting itchy to end his lengthy holdout and report to the Buccaneers, think again. In fact, on Monday's NFL Live broadcast on ESPN, the receiver said he's so displeased Tampa Bay won't renegotiate his deal that he's willing to sit out t...

::) ... Need anything more be said?
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 25th, 2004, 6:52am
Anyone read Dan LeBatard's take on the McCardell holdout in ESPN Mag?  Pretty good column.
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 27th, 2004, 4:07pm
Here's another rumor from ProFootballTalk's Rumor Mill... it deals specifically with Dallas potentially looking at the waiver wires over the next few weeks for a QB.

The reason I posted it here is because PFT has not backed off its belief that Brad Johnson could be released before the season starts.


Quote:
TUNA LOOKING FOR ANOTHER QB

We're told that Cowboys coach Bill Parcells will be watching the waiver wire very closely in the hopes of picking up another quarterback prior to the start of the season.

And we won't be surprised to see a big name or two on the open market.  Kurt Warner is a possibility if he's not the New York starter.  Rich Gannon could walk the plank in Oakland if (as we've been predicting) the team asks him within the next two weeks to take a deep reduction in his $7 million salary.  Even Brad Johnson isn't safe in Tampa, given Chris Simms' development.

Regardless of who it is, there always is at least one surprise or two when the final cuts come down.  If one of those guys is a veteran quarterback, the first call they likely will receive will be from Big D.


I know you're keeping tabs on this, Steg, so here's another chance for you to show that this site is full of it [smiley=bs.gif].  

;)
Title: Re: Buccaneers Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 28th, 2004, 2:38pm
Well, they ultimately said Johnson would be cut during the June cuts.  They throw so much out there, some things are gonna stick sometimes.

My rebuttal regarding this specifically,... I don't think either Gannon or Johnson will get cut.  Let's see who's right.  Will it be that site with their "insider" connections or little Steg, who just comes up with his conclusions by watching things, reading a little bit here and there and thinking it through with reason and common sense???  So far, regarding the issue of Johnson, it's 1 to 0, Steg. :-X


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