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(Message started by: KillerKingSting on Sep 7th, 2004, 10:57pm)
Title: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by KillerKingSting on Sep 7th, 2004, 10:57pm
I'm starting C-Pep (we start 2 QBs) but, how can I justify sitting Vick against SF? I have Carr -vs- SD though so, maybe I can? Whats your opinion?

Also, pick 4 of 6 of these D-Backs :
D.Darius @ Buf.
D.Sharper @ Car (Mon. Nite).
C.Chavous -vs- Dal.
R.Williams @ Min.
Sean Taylor @ TB. (rookie stud!)
B. Scott @ SF.

And I am still deciding on a few DL-men, pick 3! please,
J.Abraham -vs- Cin (against Palmer - can't lose!).
D.Freeney -vs- NE (thurs. Nite!).
D.Howard -vs- Sea.
A.Weaver -vs- Cle. (against Garcia!).
UDEZE -vs- Dal (Vinny gets a warm welcome back! to starting lineup - by the way, Udeze is a rook but is starting).

Of importance, sacks in our league are worth 12 points a piece.

LBs pick 4 :
Urlacher -vs- Det. (is he healthy?)
Julian Peterson -vs- atl.
N.Barnett -vs- Car (mon Nite).
Andra Davis -vs- Bal (should produce mega tackles in this game).
M. Washington -vs- TB.
T.Suggs -vs- Cle.

I am really wanting to start SOMEONE from atlanta going up against SF because of their obvious lack of talent.
I am starting S.Alex & LT2 as my RBs and sitting Duckett. But if I also sit Vick then, the only other player I own on atlanta is M.Jenkins (rook) and B.Scott-DB.
It would be a shame to sit both Vick & Duckett but, I just might have to!?
What do you all think?
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by StegRock on Sep 7th, 2004, 11:22pm
Dude, you gotta start Vick.  Not much of an argument here.  Carr will continue to improve this season, but you can't bench Vick, at least not this week.  Schottenheimer, if nothing else, is a defensive guru.  San Diego might actually be respectable on defense.  But, whatever, that argument isn't that strong.  Just go with Vick!  And, good luck, brother! [smiley=shamrock.gif]
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by sheetserr on Sep 8th, 2004, 12:08am
Personally, I don't think Mike Vick can pass worth a lick.  What he can do is run like Barry Sanders.  

Let's face it, though.  This San Diego team, if not for LT, could be one of the worst teams to hit the field ever- seriously.  They are putrid.  Their defense was torched last year, and in my mind, they've done very little to improve.  This will be Marty's last season.

Houston is at home against a weak defense.  I'd start Carr, knowing that Houston's schedule gets much tougher.  Carr could throw for 300 yards and two scores.  One of those scores could be a long bomb.

Just remember you heard this from Sheetserr.

Sheetserr
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by captainpurple on Sep 8th, 2004, 12:54am
SD will not be good, but SF will be just as bad.  SF will be lucky to get 11 first downs all year, Vick will get at least 2-3 more possessions than Carr because LT2 and Shott will be running the ball and eating up clock if they can.  

Start Vick and don't look back.
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by Philly on Sep 8th, 2004, 7:04am

on 09/07/04 at 22:57:19, KillerKingSting wrote:
I'm starting C-Pep (we start 2 QBs) but, how can I justify sitting Vick against SF? I have Carr -vs- SD though so, maybe I can? Whats your opinion?

Vick.  Houston will run the ball and run it some more this game.  Atlanta will at least try to pass some and Vick gets you those rushing yards and TDs too.


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Also, pick 4 of 6 of these D-Backs :
D.Darius @ Buf.
D.Sharper @ Car (Mon. Nite).
C.Chavous -vs- Dal.
R.Williams @ Min.
Sean Taylor @ TB. (rookie stud!)
B. Scott @ SF.

I'd go with the first four.  They're more reliable at this point.


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And I am still deciding on a few DL-men, pick 3! please,
J.Abraham -vs- Cin (against Palmer - can't lose!).
D.Freeney -vs- NE (thurs. Nite!).
D.Howard -vs- Sea.
A.Weaver -vs- Cle. (against Garcia!).
UDEZE -vs- Dal (Vinny gets a warm welcome back! to starting lineup - by the way, Udeze is a rook but is starting).

Abraham, Freeney, and Howard. (I like Udeze, but Vinny doesn't take many sacks.)


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LBs pick 4 :
Urlacher -vs- Det. (is he healthy?)
Julian Peterson -vs- atl.
N.Barnett -vs- Car (mon Nite).
Andra Davis -vs- Bal (should produce mega tackles in this game).
M. Washington -vs- TB.
T.Suggs -vs- Cle.

Peterson, Davis, Suggs, Barnett
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by StegRock on Sep 8th, 2004, 9:43am

on 09/08/04 at 00:08:22, sheetserr wrote:
Personally, I don't think Mike Vick can pass worth a lick.  What he can do is run like Barry Sanders.


That's exactly why you should play Vick.  Rushing gives you more points than passing in a typical system (I don't know if such applies here, granted).  A 300-yard, 2-touchdown passing game is NOT as good as a 200-yard, 0-touchdown passing game accompanied by 75 yards and 2 touchdowns rushing... in most systems.
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by sheetserr on Sep 8th, 2004, 3:49pm
Your point is well taken.  I guess there really is no reason to believe that Vick won't rip off a couple of large runs.  A 20+ yard TD scramble isn't out of the question.

Sheetserr
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by KillerKingSting on Sep 8th, 2004, 4:42pm

on 09/08/04 at 09:43:49, StegRock wrote:
That's exactly why you should play Vick.  Rushing gives you more points than passing in a typical system (I don't know if such applies here, granted).  A 300-yard, 2-touchdown passing game is NOT as good as a 200-yard, 0-touchdown passing game accompanied by 75 yards and 2 touchdowns rushing... in most systems.


yes in fact Steg, QBs get 0.15 points per yard (equivalent to 1.5 per 10 yards) in our system and so, I am convinced! Vick is starting!!! Thanks!
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by KillerKingSting on Sep 8th, 2004, 4:55pm

on 09/08/04 at 07:04:40, Philly wrote:
Vick.  Houston will run the ball and run it some more this game.  Atlanta will at least try to pass some and Vick gets you those rushing yards and TDs too.

I'd go with the first four.  They're more reliable at this point.

Abraham, Freeney, and Howard. (I like Udeze, but Vinny doesn't take many sacks.)

Peterson, Davis, Suggs, Barnett


Thanks Philly, your the only one so far who has posted on my IDP choices, and it is much appreciated! I am finding it tough to sit Urlacher though, still some time left to see whether or not he'll start. I agree with all your other choices though, thanks again!
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by Philly on Sep 8th, 2004, 4:59pm

on 09/08/04 at 16:55:26, KillerKingSting wrote:
Thanks Philly, your the only one so far who has posted on my IDP choices, and it is much appreciated! I am finding it tough to sit Urlacher though, still some time left to see whether or not he'll start. I agree with all your other choices though, thanks again!


I hear ya on Urlacher... I'm just not convinced he is 100% yet.  Keep tabs on the sitch and find out how he is doing in practice.
Title: Re: Vick or Carr and others! Help me choose!
Post by KillerKingSting on Sep 9th, 2004, 11:50am
Also, perhaps, I might BEE willing to gamble on Sean Taylor instead on Roy Williams seeming that I am playing a Gag-spansion team this week and basically just sitting back, twiddling my thumbs and laughing at the meeble, feeble & weakly-meekly attempt at PineApple's (sameold : Insane Gang Bangers) team making any threat against my stud-a-roni's and that includes my back-up players as well. ;D

Just j/king Justin, good luck this week bro! I am excited to have you in the league and to be playing you in your FIRST INSANE GAME ever!!


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