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(Message started by: captainpurple on Oct 8^th, 2004, 11:38am)

Title: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by captainpurple on Oct 8^th, 2004, 11:38am

QB is my conundrum this week.

League 1: Vick vs DET & Collins @ IND
Collins will be behind and throwing a lot, but his performance in HOU was less than inspiring. For a comprehensive pro/con argument on Vick, see the Vick thread running rampant in The Red Zone.

Can Vick get me 80-100 ru. + 1 TD passing? Or should I weather the TOs I'll get with Collins in favor of 3 TDs?

League 2: McNabb - BYE, need a fill in.
Leaning to Roethlisberger vs CLE. Here's the WW list:

Thanks!

Title: Re: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by lumber2121 on Oct 8^th, 2004, 12:06pm

League 1:

Detriot's passing defense is not very strong. Vick could put up some decent passing numbers to go with about 40-60 yards on the ground. At the same time, Indy has given up the most yards in the air and the second most passing TDs. Collins may be the safer bet.

League 2:

Cleveland has been good against the run buy mediocre against the pass. They have given up a lot of yards through the air, but only 1 TD and they also have 5 INTs. Minnesota has yet to intercept a ball, has only 5 sacks and is 30th in passing yards allowed. Minnesota has a much better run defense than pass defense. The Texans may try to take advantage of that. Carr may be a good call this week. They may

Title: Re: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by Philly on Oct 8^th, 2004, 12:58pm

League 1:
Go with Collins. He got some decent yardage last week, but couldn't find the end zone. Collins will be playing catch-up so his numbers should be good against a deplorable Colt D.

League 2:
I disagree with Carr. First off, he's hobbling and there's no certaintly that he'll play. Secondly, I love Harrington this week. The Falcons aren't as good as their record and I think this week they lose their first game. Harrington is throwing against a weak pass D (ranked 27th) and Roy Williams should eat up those corners.

Title: Re: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by KillerKingSting on Oct 8^th, 2004, 6:35pm

First off, disregard Philly's assessment. It is obviously a diluted by his bias aganist Vick and the Mighty 4-0 Atlanta Falcons which by the way, are keeping pace w/ the T.O. bought super bowl bound homer gomer team of his.

Now, understanding his sickness, heres what to do :

Vick will absolutely SMASH the Lion's defense all by his lonesome. Detroit doesn't have the LBs OR the DBs to adequately SPY vick nor can that DL of theirs, which lacks speed of the edges, contain Mr. VickTory!

Roy Wiliams, as much as I like him (I drafted him TEE HEE BEE!) will and should be doubled smothered during this matchup because, Detriot has been sacked 9 times this year already, and the Falcon's DLINE OH SO FINE has been relentless in it's pursuit towards the QB this year.

What does that mean?

It means the MIGHTY FALCONS won't have to blitz their safetys or LBs to get presssure AND that unfortuantely, spells double teams for Roy Boy. Unless Harrington , who has locked onto Roy as soon as the freakin ball is snapped, can start to spread the ball around, it might BEE a tough day for R. Williams AND Harrington.

Go with Vick. Hes read the KING -vs- PHILLY Vick thread and quite frankly, hes pissed!
Collins should post decent numbers against a banged up Colts secondary but, the Colts could get pressure and the Immobile Kerry-cakes, could end up turning the ball over more than one would like to see so, if your league punishes for turnovers, watch out. Also, don't forget that, he has yet to establish a QB to WR relationship on the field w/ his receivers so, although he has a good matchup, it might take another week for Oak's passing game to get into rhythm.

Carr will play against Minny and should have a GREAT day.
If your apprehensive about him doing so then, you might try Warner as a bit of a gamble. Dallas's D isn't what it was last season and their playing a rookie CB which the CowGirl's will have to give safety help to and that means Toomer & Shocklets should have a nice day via Killer Kurt Warner!

I like Roeth (TEE HEE BEE, I drafted him too!) but, I wouldn't bet on P{itt turning him loose just yet in the passing game. They will still try and bang it through the trenches to set up the play action, w/ easy reads and very little progressions for Big Ben.

Title: Re: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by Chumpzilla on Oct 8^th, 2004, 11:00pm

#1: Go with Collins. Collins will be throwing all day in a close contest.

#2: I agree with Jeff. Go with Harrington "hands-down." Harrington will use Roy Williams to the max. Leftwich would be my second choice! ;D

Title: Re: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by sexydexy on Oct 8^th, 2004, 11:17pm

At this point, you probably don't want Vick as your QB1 on a fantasy team because of Atlanta's recipe for success that doesn't give Vick good fantasy numbers (although he is the leader of that team). But he is a much more attractive option than Collins based on this season so go with...Vick.

In your second league, you should go with Leftwich and run with that. Leftwich has enough of a running game to open up a passing attack full force on a subpar SD defense. D. Davis is injured and won't play as much this week and thus Minnesota can tailor more to the pass. The Atlanta D is for real this year and Kerney is a monster. I wouldn't play Harrington.

Title: Re: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by BarnabyWilde on Oct 9^th, 2004, 12:04am

1. I'd go with Vick, because of Detroit's banged up D.

2. Carr

Title: Re: WDIS: QBs Vick vs Collins
Post by KillerKingSting on Oct 11^th, 2004, 4:26pm

Vick 18-29-196, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 5-29 yds rush.
Collins 28-44-245 yds, 1-3 TD-INT, 1-6 rush.
That was a wash.
:P

Carr 27-43-372 yds, 3-0 TD-INT, 3-21 rush.

;D

I am 3-0-1 on my advice this week! :P