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(Message started by: captainpurple on Oct 14^th, 2004, 10:48am)

Title: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by captainpurple on Oct 14^th, 2004, 10:48am

I've got Vick and recently acquired BigBen. I had Collins but dropped him for all the obvious reasons. I'm 1-4 and desparately need a QB who can score positive pts. [offtopic] I would be 3-2 if I had a QB who reliably got me 10 stinkin points! 1TD & 80 yds passing, too much to ask?? Vick SUCKS! [smiley=fumin.gif][/offtopic]
So I've been offered, unsolicited, the following: I get David Carr, he gets LT2. Obviously he thinks I'm a moron, which my wife would agree with, but that's a different story. I'm thinking of countering LT2 for CPepp.

My other RBs: Chris Brown & Bennett. We start 2 + 1 WR/RB flex.

So I'm obviously upgrading my QB, but I'm in a world of hurt at RB. There's not much on the WW, best prospects:

I'd probably grab Pittman, who's scored 3 & 8 in the two games he's played, by my leagues scoring.

Like I said, I'm 1-4 and going up against an undefeated team this week. Need a win or my season is pretty much done.

Opinions? Thanks!

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by s_laflesh on Oct 14^th, 2004, 11:25am

I think this trade would be a bad move for you. I realize that CPepp has started out red hot but LT is a stud running back. He will eventually explode. I think the main problem would be that if you traded LT, you would have an incredibly poor backfield. Big Ben looks like he may be able to put up some decent numbers for you. I wouldnt give up on LT just yet. Daunte is also due for a couple of his 130 yard 4 int games.

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by captainpurple on Oct 14^th, 2004, 11:52am

LT will explode, like Ricky did in 2003? Like CMart in 2002? Like Ahman so far in 2004? Or Portis in 2004?

Every year there is a superstar that goes early and doesn't perform.

As far as a wait and see approach, I don't have that luxury. Sure, I can wait another 3 weeks. Lose 3 more games, then take solace in the fact that my 1-7 team ended up 6-8. I didn't make the playoffs, didn't win any money, but hey! I stuck with my guys and they eventually came around!

Just trying to decide if I gotta get something done now.

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by Philly on Oct 14^th, 2004, 1:02pm

I'd trade LT2 for CPep in a heartbeat. First off, how hurt is LT2? I'm sure he'll play, but he was hurt earlier this season too (was it preseason? I don't remember), so maybe he's got these nagging things that don't go away.

Who does this guy have at RB? Maybe you can package Vick (and send him some of KKS's analysis of how Vick is getting ready to explode onto the FF scene again) with LT2 for Carr and a decent (though not as good as LT2) RB.

In the short term, Pinner and Pittman aren't terrible options. Pinner will get plenty of carries (especially if Roy Williams is gimpy) and he scored last week.

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by captainpurple on Oct 14^th, 2004, 1:16pm

on 10/14/04 at 13:02:06, Philly wrote:

I shot high and offered him LT2 for CPepp & D Davis. I'm sure he'll decline, but we have at least set the bar high.

on 10/14/04 at 13:02:06, Philly wrote:

Who does this guy have at RB? Maybe you can package Vick (and send him some of KKS's analysis of how Vick is getting ready to explode onto the FF scene again) with LT2 for Carr and a decent (though not as good as LT2) RB.

He has DDavis, WGreen, Edge & Duckett. I don't see Carr as that much of an upgrade over Big Ben, so I don't think I'll settle for less than CPepp.

on 10/14/04 at 13:02:06, Philly wrote:

In the short term, Pinner and Pittman aren't terrible options. Pinner will get plenty of carries (especially if Roy Williams is gimpy) and he scored last week.

I agree, short term these guys could plug in. Minny has a lot of weak pass Ds on their schedule, so a lost TD from LT2 is almost certainly picked up by CPepp.

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by junkyard872 on Oct 14^th, 2004, 4:32pm

Dont make the deal grab pittman LT always finishes the season strong. Vick should do better as we go along i would give him another shot this weekend. HOW MANY MORE WEEKS IS CPEPP GOING TO GET 5TDS

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by captainpurple on Oct 14^th, 2004, 4:35pm

on 10/14/04 at 16:32:06, junkyard872 wrote:

Dont make the deal grab pittman LT always finishes the season strong. Vick should do better as we go along i would give him another shot this weekend.

Again, I don't have much flexibility to wait for Vick and/or LT2 to turn it on. At 1-4, I've got only 1-2 losses left. If I fall to .500, doubtful to make the playoffs. It's all well and good to say he'll turn it around, but what good does that do a 1-6 team?

on 10/14/04 at 16:32:06, junkyard872 wrote:

HOW MANY MORE WEEKS IS CPEPP GOING TO GET 5TDS

I don't need 5 TDs, I JUST NEED 1 OR 2 WITHOUT 3 FUMBLES AND AN INT. VICK SUCKS!

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by prm on Oct 14^th, 2004, 9:44pm

[smiley=bonghit.gif] call me crazy...but i've won 4/6 championships :o, and i still say a stud qb was the difference - mine were kordell (in his only great year) - and warner - i don't think culpepper's gonna slow down much...i'd do that trade & spend a little extra money picking up good matchups for a few weeks [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] - injuries this year are making that an option...shanny's probably found his boy - even though i don't trust him [smiley=gonecrazy.gif](shanny) - so there's on possible ww grab..if not, just see what you can string together b/c your qb points will BE THERE!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]...for what it's worth..
prm...

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by sameoldsameold on Oct 14^th, 2004, 10:17pm

well it all depends what you think of vick....steve young said vick wont grip the offense well till about week 10....if you believe in the vickster....then i would keep LT2 cause this could be a nice duo if vick ever plays to his potential....vick has to start getting better soon eh? i say hold out another week if you can....give vick one last chance.......if he will trade now he will trade next week....

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by captainpurple on Oct 14^th, 2004, 10:29pm

on 10/14/04 at 22:17:28, sameoldsameold wrote:

well it all depends what you think of vick....steve young said vick wont grip the offense well till about week 10

WEEK 10!!! I'll be 1-9 by then with his super-human-sure-to-be-a-HOFer performances the last 3 weeks (-1, 3, -2)

on 10/14/04 at 22:17:28, sameoldsameold wrote:

....if you believe in the vickster

I did draft day, I don't now.

on 10/14/04 at 22:17:28, sameoldsameold wrote:

....then i would keep LT2 cause this could be a nice duo if vick ever plays to his potential....vick has to start getting better soon eh?

does he? does his injury-prone history coupled with the fact that he's ~~underperforming~~ just plain not performing make him of any use for 4 more weeks (til week 10).

on 10/14/04 at 22:17:28, sameoldsameold wrote:

i say hold out another week if you can....give vick one last chance.......if he will trade now he will trade next week....

Why wait 1 more week? if he's not going to grasp the O til week 10, what's 1 more week get me?

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by sameoldsameold on Oct 14^th, 2004, 10:35pm

dont take many chances eh? you have roth...you can hold onto vick for now....i dont think it is beneficial to make the trade....the drop off in QB points is very small after a few guys...i say hold on to your QBs and play it out....

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by captainpurple on Oct 14^th, 2004, 10:45pm

on 10/14/04 at 22:35:47, sameoldsameold wrote:

dont take many chances eh?

?.?.?

on 10/14/04 at 22:35:47, sameoldsameold wrote:

you have roth...you can hold onto vick for now....i dont think it is beneficial to make the trade....the drop off in QB points is very small after a few guys...i say hold on to your QBs and play it out....

just to be clear, I'm not dumping Vick, i'm attempting to upgrade my QB while Vick continues to suck major a$$. I think I can cover LT2s output with CPepp, and am trying to decide if I can get enough more from CPepp to cover the drop off in RBs I'll take on.

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by Philly on Oct 15^th, 2004, 10:08am

Can you offer him LT2, Vick, and Bennett for C-Pep and Edge? (Edge has been doing very well this season, even when he was hurt.)

You'd get two sure point getters every week. I know C-Pep won't get 5 TDs every week, but he'll get at least 2 TDs and no less than 250 pass yards.

Title: Re: Trade: Tomlinson for CPepp?
Post by captainpurple on Oct 18^th, 2004, 11:13am

on 10/14/04 at 16:32:06, junkyard872 wrote:

HOW MANY MORE WEEKS IS CPEPP GOING TO GET 5TDS

At least 1!! :o [smiley=thumbsup.gif]