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(Message started by: prm on Nov 27^th, 2004, 6:28pm)

Title: WR...
Post by prm on Nov 27^th, 2004, 6:28pm

just checkin' - need 2 - standard scoring...:
a. johnson
i. bruce
a.lelie

the guy i'm playin' is using carr - so is it a legitimate oncept to go with aj to cut into his #s...
also, if he's playing gates / mcardell - should i use brees instead of t. green??hmmm???
thanks,
prm...

Title: Re: WR...
Post by Callie on Nov 27^th, 2004, 8:33pm

1. Johnson
2. Lelie
3. Bruce

Johnson has a matchup with Samari Rolle - Rolle has a knee injury, not 100%. Johnson can beat him.

Woodson is on Rod Smith this week, so Lelie may be a go-to. But the game this week may be more about the run for Denver. After all, ground control makes more sense when the Raiders are not exactly a shoot-out opponent. (Sigh.)

For Bruce, you'e looking at Holt as a share factor and the weather predictions for Green Bay should be a factor. Bruce may have a great game, so decide for yourself. I just think that this pick is the one with more question marks.

Title: Re: WR...
Post by StegRock on Nov 27^th, 2004, 11:32pm

I would go with Johnson and Bruce. My analysis will be quite a bit more simple-minded than Callie's, granted. They've been the best and most consistent of the three. It's Week 12, not Week 2. Don't go benchin' your big guns now, at least not for the likes of Lelie, who has been hard to predict and is going to have to share balls with Smith regardless of (when) who's covering who. Also, with respect to weather, since it was brought up as a supporting factor for playing Lelie over Bruce, Lelie's game is in Denver... Denver - Green Bay... [smiley=options.gif] Six snowballs, half a dozen snowballs...

Title: Re: WR...
Post by junkyardjake on Nov 28^th, 2004, 1:01pm

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Don't go benchin' your big guns now, at least not for the likes of Lelie, who has been hard to predict and is going to have to share balls with Smith

[smiley=uh.gif]

Steg, Lelie has scored in three straight games, and 5 of the last six. Besides, isn't Lelie your hometown team homie ? You need to cut him some slack, he's about as good an option as Bruce.

Callie also makes a great point, Charles Woodson has seemed to shut Rod Smith down fairly well in recent games.

Title: Re: WR...
Post by StegRock on Nov 28^th, 2004, 1:30pm

on 11/28/04 at 13:01:10, junkyardjake wrote:

Touchdown scoring is a difficult barometer. Though I think touchdown scorers are key to fantasy success (as touchdowns imply yards, but not vice-versa), guys can be touchdown scorers and not good fantasy starts, or at least good regular/dependable fantasy starts (touchdown scoring is a necessary, but not sufficient condition). Receptions and yardage to me are the better barometer of trends, and Lelie has still not yet shown me the consistency necessary to call him a safe bet (at least, this week, vis-a-vis Bruce, who has been very consistent this season). All that said, it wouldn't be preposterous to play Lelie this week over Bruce. I just think it requires a roll of the dice that playing Bruce is not. His being my homie is irrelevant.

Title: Re: WR...
Post by StegRock on Nov 30^th, 2004, 4:22pm

Well, whether you played Lelie or not, I hope Isaac Bruce and his PHAT numbers weren't wasting away on your bench... [smiley=whistle.gif] I am only gloating here because I and my take in particular were called out.

Title: Re: WR...
Post by Callie on Nov 30^th, 2004, 9:47pm

You sure got the snowballs right! [smiley=snowman.gif]

Title: Re: WR...
Post by junkyardjake on Dec 1^st, 2004, 5:52am

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I am only gloating here because I and my take in particular were called out.

I am guilty as charged, this was a great call.[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

However, I would still have started Lelie, and would definitely continue considering Lelie over Bruce for the remainder of the season (Especially in weeks 15 and 16 where the Broncos play KC and Tennessee respectively).

I think what Callie and I failed to consider in assessing the Rams/Packers matchup are two salient facts:

1) Green Bay only has one NFL-caliber cornerback and his name is Al Harris.

2) They use Al Harris on the opponents best receiver, and in the case of the Rams, that would be Torry Holt.

Certainly, Ashley Lelie has finally arrived as a dependable target, in fact he has been the statistical equal of Rod Smith thus far, and does not lag Issac Bruce by all that much in fantasy points (127 v. 108), even despite Bruce's best game of the season (best game in probably few seasons I would guess).

The only concern I would have for Lelie and Broncos passing game would be how much Shanahan begins to lean on the running game as the season draws to a close. (I'm also concerned by Plummer's new facial hair, what the f&%K is that all about ?, but not as much as Shanahan).

Title: Re: WR...
Post by Philly on Dec 1^st, 2004, 9:30am

on 12/01/04 at 05:52:54, junkyardjake wrote:

(I'm also concerned by Plummer's new facial hair, what the f&%K is that all about ?).

He looks like he's getting ready to strap on the skates and throw on an Avalanche sweater...

Title: Re: WR...
Post by junkyardjake on Dec 1^st, 2004, 11:25am

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He looks like he's getting ready to strap on the skates and throw on an Avalanche sweater...

[smiley=laugh.gif] hee hee, that's hysterical, I just spit up my coffee.

It's either that or he has been living in a spider hole under the stadium bus station during the week. I think we should send him some canned goods for the holidays.