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(Message started by: StegRock on Sep 11th, 2005, 4:53pm)

Title: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by StegRock on Sep 11th, 2005, 4:53pm
Catch the damn ball.  Today's Broncos debacle was NOT about Jake Plummer.  In the passing game, Rod was the ONLY guy to show up.  Lelie dropped crucial passes, ran poor patterns and made poor decisions all game long.  It made me long for Jerry Rice.  Rice would have caught, e.g., those two balls at the end of the half and the end of the game (those were just two of Lelie's disgusting drops); Rice would have run crisp patterns all game long, and Rice would have, e.g., continued running through and to the ball on that play early in the game when Jake "overthrew" Lelie, which actually could have been a touchdown pass.  Lelie, as the split end, is the guy who is supposed to stretch the field and open up the offense.  He was shut down...  Or, he shut himself down, and, thus, the field was not stretched for the offense; everything was tight and it all folds in from there... on the quarterback and on the running game.  Terrible, Ashley, terrible.  You got to show us the promise we think you have, man...

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by StegRock on Sep 14th, 2005, 12:11pm
The irony...  In a HUGE trade, I go and end up acquiring Lelie last night in the GBRFL!!! [smiley=scared.gif] Details...

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;action=display;num=1126678051.

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by captainpurple on Sep 14th, 2005, 12:44pm
why is it we humans have the toughest time learning from our mistakes?

INSANITY:  repeating an action over and over, expecting a different result

;D

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by StegRock on Sep 14th, 2005, 3:18pm
Well, I did, like many, have Lelie ranked HIGH going into the season.  I still do believe he could very well bounce back Week Two and go on to have a great season.  The "job"/"heir-apparent role" is still his to lose.  I am fairly confident about that "fact".

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by junkyardjake on Sep 14th, 2005, 3:32pm
I agree, this was the right time to trade for Lelie.  He was definitely the featured receiver this past week; targeted 13 times, 4 times in the redzone.  Rod Smith was 11 times and once in the redzone.

The Broncos offensive problems had more to do with Saban fixing the Dolphin defense then much else I would say.

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by LaHorace on Sep 14th, 2005, 3:41pm
Two things here:

1.) Sometimes it can be hard to tell what week 1 means for a player or a team. The '99 Pats got spanked in Buffalo 31-0 to open up the year, a year they closed out with a Superbowl ring. Chad Johnson looked like a bum last year until about week 5. Sometimes it takes a couple of weeks for the nerves to unjitter themselves, sometimes the magic doesn't happen for a couple of weeks into the season.

That being said,

2.) The one thing that you cannot scout is balls. You can know about a player's hands, feet, inteligence, work ethic, strength, endurance, and whatever else, but you have no idea how big a player's nuts are until it's time for them to flex. The bigger your balls are the better you'll do in a pressure situation. Tom Brady has King-Kong balls. So did Joe Montana, Brett Favre, and the Cowboys triplets. So does every champion. Balls are the only thing that allow you to keep all of your ability when in the face of pressure. To be a go-to guy in the NFL, you don't need them to be as big as grapefruits, but they need to be bigger than the people behind you.

Maybe, just maybe, Ashley Lelie has what Bullettooth Tony called "mincey-little-faggot-balls," and maybe he can't take the pressure. It's still too early to tell, but it's something to keep an eye on.

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by Skinny_Dennis on Sep 14th, 2005, 3:48pm
On Lelie, I think the challenge is that we all (especially me since I drafted him) expect him to be a gamebreaker a la Randy Moss. Fact is the Broncos are weaker this year on the O-line and at running back, and guys like Lelie suffer.

Sports Illustrated recently talked about receivers being the featured game breaker with an article on Chad Johnson and side mention of Lelie. I'm not buying it. Only Moss and TO fit in that category. The others need a good supporting cast. Good example is M. Harrsion.

Lelie will be fine. I just hope he's not your number one receiver.

[smiley=rasta.gif]

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by prm on Sep 14th, 2005, 9:04pm
i would be careful to read too much into the happenin's of week one - kind o' crazy week...preseason is USELESS as a guide & then all you have is week one...i'd wait until i was sure he was suckin' because the other side of that coin is that he'll do as well as everyone projected him to do...the downside is that plummer has ALWAYS been really good and sometimes really bad...i wouldn't write either one of them off yet...

Title: Re: Ashley Lelie...  COME ON, bro...
Post by sameoldsameold on Sep 15th, 2005, 4:04pm
Lelie is from Hawaii, Which automatically makes him a cool guy but on a more serious note...i watched him in college alot and he did have a bad case of the dropsies in the first couple weeks of every season...after that, if it hit his hand it was caught....jus a little inside info....



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