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(Message started by: Callie on Jan 17th, 2006, 3:21pm)
Title: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Jan 17th, 2006, 3:21pm
Anybody hearing any more about the rumor that Raider DC Ryan may very well go to the Jets?  That's what's spinning around lately, and Ryan's contract expires in about a month.  With Turner now in San Fran and Ryan in NY, anything could happen next!  

                                                                                                                    [smiley=goodrevil.gif]


(BTW - Sorry I've been posting on In-season Report threads all over the place!  ;D)
Title: Re: Raiders Off-season Report
Post by Callie on Jan 17th, 2006, 3:30pm
Right after I put in the above post, this came along:

"Mangini, meanwhile, is expected to name former Patriots linebacker coach Rob Ryan his defensive coordinator. Ryan left the Patriots two years ago to become the Raiders coordinator under Norv Turner, but that didn't work out. Mangini and Ryan have remained close friends."

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/01/17/mangini_is_on_board_with_jets/
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jan 17th, 2006, 6:06pm
[offtopic]
on 01/17/06 at 15:21:21, Callie wrote:
(BTW - Sorry I've been posting on In-season Report threads all over the place!)


Callie, you were doing the RIGHT thing... :-/ I had to make a judgment call on this a couple weeks ago and I came to the determination outlined on the following thread page:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1109964598;start=75.  

In accordance with that determination, this thread will be temporarily locked until "OUR" "in-"season, i.e. the post-season, has COMPLETELY and indubitably ended and "OUR" offseason CLEARLY begun.  So, continue to post on the in-season threads until the Pro Bowl has been played.  Thank you!

P.S. (By the way, I prefer the (mis)spelling of "offseason" without the hyphen and will edit any threads that are a part of our "official 'Offseason Reports'" titled otherwise.  I have my philosophical reasons... [smiley=zenmaster.gif] Again, thank you for you anticipated cooperation.)[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Referee on Feb 23rd, 2006, 10:19pm
The following was reported on a redundant Raiders Offseason Report thread that was started after this one, so the message has been moved here and the other thread locked...


on 02/23/06 at 21:35:36, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Raiders decline to tag Woodson:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/02/23/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.woodson.0157/index.html
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 3rd, 2006, 10:41am
"The Oakland Raiders cut defensive lineman Ted Washington, offensive lineman Ron Stone and defensive back Denard Walker on Thursday, saving the team more than $12 million in salary cap room for next season.

"The Raiders were one of many teams whose cap number was well above the projected $94.5 million limit they must reach before the start of free agency. "

http://www.timesheraldonline.com/sports/ci_3565036

....and more house cleaning to come.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 5th, 2006, 8:39pm
Raiders release Kerry Collins!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/03/05/raiders.collins.ap/index.html

No real surprise here, even without considering the CBA talks breaking down again.  It's a cap move, but Collins and the Raiders have been making end-of-relationship noises for a while.

The good news for the Raiders is that, with the CBA problems, the market may be flooded with vets.

Rumor also has it that the Raiders are interested in Vince Young in the NFL draft and may trade up to get him.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Chumpzilla on Mar 5th, 2006, 9:32pm
There were rumors that Crockett was retiring or being released.  Do you know if this is the case?   ?.?.?
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 5th, 2006, 9:39pm
I heard cap he's a likely cap casualty.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 6th, 2006, 12:45pm
"That extension bought time for the salary-cap strapped Raiders. Contrary to published reports, the team did not waive quarterback Kerry Collins, or any other players, on Sunday, senior assistant Michael Lombardi confirmed."

and

"For now, he remains on the Raiders' roster, and Collins' agent, David Dunn, is expected to continue working on a deal that would reduce the quarterback's contract."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/03/06/SPGB1HJ7DI1.DTL

Ahhh, more Al Davis smoke and mirrors?

Collins more willing to restructure, hang on to him as a safety net while the Raiders shop for a FA vet (like Brees?), keep the other teams guessing.  Looks like the Raiders can have their cake and eat it too for the time being.  If they can't get a FA QB they want, they can keep Collins - and with a restructured contract.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 10th, 2006, 6:53pm
Raiders release QB Collins to get under cap

Again....

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/9298374

Does this mean the Raiders have found their new QB?
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 10th, 2006, 8:35pm

on 03/10/06 at 18:53:53, Callie wrote:
Raiders release QB Collins to get under cap

Again....

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/9298374

Does this mean the Raiders have found their new QB?


Not sure this really means anything except that Collins was not worth 9 million.  It does mean they need to sign somebody.  Culpepper, Brees, Brooks, Ramsey, etc.....
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 10th, 2006, 8:38pm

on 03/10/06 at 20:35:36, DirkDiggler wrote:
Not sure this really means anything except that Collins was not worth 9 million.  It does mean they need to sign somebody.  Culpepper, Brees, Brooks, Ramsey, etc.....


All true, along with the possibility of drafting Vince Young and throwing him into the fire early.  They say they really like him, but it could also be more smoke to hide their true intentions.

Kitna's name has also been bandied about.

With the Raiders, we always have to wait and see.  ;D
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 21st, 2006, 1:03am
Bolstering their secondary with a savvy vet...  From "The REAL Feed":

Raiders sign cornerback Tyrone Poole to two-year deal (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/03/20/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.poole.0183/index.html)
I.com: NFL (20.03.2006 20:48)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 22nd, 2006, 7:09pm
Aaron Brooks signs with the Raiders.  This signing makes sense since there were no other decent QBs available.  They only had Andrew Walter and Tuiososopo as qbs.  They needed someone BAD!!!!

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_3628882
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 22nd, 2006, 7:27pm
Sounds like the Raiders will draft for defense instead of going after Young.   A lot of Raider Nation has been predicting a Brooks pick-up in free agency for a long time.  Cannon arm like Collins, but some mobility.  Still not well-received by the faithful.

Brooks has been told that he will be competing for the starting job, and the Raiders may be looking for a vet to back up and teach Walter.  If Young is not drafted by the Raiders, look for Walter to start as soon as he's ready.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by PrimeTime on Mar 22nd, 2006, 8:26pm
This is going to be a better pick-up for the Raiders than most people think.

Art Shell is a "players" coach who will get the most out of Brooks.  The situation in New Orleans last year was terrible.  Getting a chance to start over may be just what Brooks needs.

While Brooks is clearly not one of the top overall QB's, he is only 30, has a strong arm, and he is mobile.  It is well known that the Raiders like to throw deep which is Brooks strength.

The coaches and fans of New Orleans questioned his decision making last year.  With Moss and Porter it should be very easy on him.  Throw deep to Moss or deep to Porter.

In any event, he can't be worse than Collins.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Chumpzilla on Mar 22nd, 2006, 10:27pm
[smiley=Imwithstupid.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Mar 23rd, 2006, 3:42am

on 03/22/06 at 20:26:04, PrimeTime wrote:
This is going to be a better pick-up for the Raiders than most people think.

Art Shell is a "players" coach who will get the most out of Brooks.  The situation in New Orleans last year was terrible.  Getting a chance to start over may be just what Brooks needs.

While Brooks is clearly not one of the top overall QB's, he is only 30, has a strong arm, and he is mobile.  It is well known that the Raiders like to throw deep which is Brooks strength.

The coaches and fans of New Orleans questioned his decision making last year.  With Moss and Porter it should be very easy on him.  Throw deep to Moss or deep to Porter.

In any event, he can't be worse than Collins.


NO WAY!!!  This guy's a loser...  It may be a good pick-up for fantasy owners with Brooks on their teams or who get Brooks as he may put up some decent stats.  BUT, he is NOT a winning NFL quarterback, which means that he won't be a viable fantasy option for long either, and, mind you, in the interim he'll continue to be up-and-down, a fantasy frustration, like he's always been.  Stay away!
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by PrimeTime on Mar 23rd, 2006, 8:07am
Steg,
Is it true that breathing lava fumes kills brain cells?  ;D
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Mar 23rd, 2006, 7:38pm

on 03/21/06 at 01:03:16, StegRock wrote:
Bolstering their secondary with a savvy vet...  From "The REAL Feed":

Raiders sign cornerback Tyrone Poole to two-year deal (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/03/20/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.poole.0183/index.html)
I.com: NFL (20.03.2006 20:48)


...and the savvy vet in the secondary mode continues:

Raiders sign veteran Starks to bolster secondary (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/03/23/bc.fbn.raiders.starks.ap/index.html)
I.com: NFL (23.03.2006 06:46)

Looks like the Raiders are in back-up and teaching mode.   ;)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 14th, 2006, 3:45am
Raiders bring an oldie back to bolster their D-line...  From "The REAL Feed":

Raiders sign ex-Vikings DE Johnston (AP) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-johnstone&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Yahoo! News: Democratic Party (13.04.2006 23:09)
Defensive end Lance Johnstone rejoined the Raiders on Thursday, leaving the Minnesota Vikings after five seasons for a free-agent contract with Oakland. Johnstone has 70 sacks in his 10 NFL seasons -- the first five with the Raiders, who selected him in the second round out of Temple in 1996. He...
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Apr 22nd, 2006, 2:38pm
Nothin' too meaty here...  Just a piece relating Johnstone's return to what the Raiders might be cooking up for Draft day...  From a LOCAL source "The REAL Feed":

Raiders insider: Signing of Johnstone shores up the pass rush (http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/football/raiders/story/14246633p-15064468c.html)
The Sacramento Bee: Oakland Raiders (22.04.2006 09:33)
The return of defensive end Lance Johnstone to the organization may be yet another small indication of what the Raiders may be thinking heading into next weekend's NFL draft.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 1st, 2006, 7:00am
G"Raid"ing the Draft... on "The REAL Feed":

Raiders keep their priorities straight this weekend (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/05/oakland-raiders-draft010506.html)
NFL News: RealFootball365.com (01.05.2006 02:19)

When the name Matt Leinart wasn't projected from the vocal cords of Paul Tagliabue at pick seven on Saturday, you almost wanted to throw a chair through the television set.

The Raiders took a level-headed approach.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 8th, 2006, 3:39am
Raiders add quality depth to their defensive linebacking corps...  From "The REAL Feed":

Raiders add depth at linebacker, sign Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2436623&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (07.05.2006 16:00)
Demonstrating their typical interest in former first-round draft choices whose careers might still be salvaged, the Oakland Raiders have signed free agent linebacker Robert Thomas, the top pick of the St. Louis Rams in the 2002 draft.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on May 11th, 2006, 5:43pm
In case you missed it, something to tuck into your predictions for LaMont Jordan in 2006:

Jackie Slater (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=197)
Pro Football Hall of Fame
(1976-1995 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams)

A powerful drive blocker, Slater blocked for seven different 1,000-yard rushers, including Lawrence McCutcheon, Wendell Tyler, Eric Dickerson, Charles White, Greg Bell, Cleveland Gary, and Jerome Bettis. He also blocked in 107 games in which a runner gained 100 yards or more.

Former Raider OT/current Raider HC Art Shell brought Slater in as the Raider O-Line coach, and Jordan will benefit from both of them.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on May 24th, 2006, 8:21pm
A lackluster Raider original has been brought back to help fill in at tight-end...  From "The REAL Feed":

Raiders re-sign TE Santiago (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/05/24/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.santiago.0097/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (24.05.2006 19:32)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Jun 28th, 2006, 7:18pm
Raiders pick up another big, aggressive castoff - Former Packer DT Donnell Washington:

Raiders Take Gamble on Defensive Tackle Washington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2502440)
ESPN (06/28/06)

Oakland lacks depth at defensive tackle behind projected starters Warren Sapp and Tommy Kelly and, should Washington ever play up to his enormous potential, the Raiders may have added a good player at a reasonable price.

and....

Oakland is also scheduled to meet with unrestricted free agent defensive tackle Grady Jackson, a nine-year veteran coming off a season with the Packers in which he registered a career-best 72 tackles, sometime this week. Defensive tackle remains, for most teams, one of the most difficult positions at which to create depth.

and....

At 6 feet 5 1/2, Washington has a prototype frame for a defensive tackle and his strength is terrific, with a career-best bench press of nearly 500 pounds. His time in the 40, slightly more than five seconds, is also impressive.

Sounds like the Raiders want Donnell (accent on the first syllable) Washington for the DT rotation and as a project (especially about keeping his weight under control).  The Packers wanted Washington badly enough to trade up to get him in the 2004 draft.  Weight and motivation are the issues that caused the Packers to let him go, and the Raiders often do well with "project players" (can you say Burgess?), and HC Art Shell knows a lot about both lines.

This is one to watch.  ;)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Jul 1st, 2006, 11:18am
Huff playing all over the secondary:

Raiders Insider: Huff is shuffling around (http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14274059p-15083980c.html)
Sacbee.com (07/01/06)

Teams have benefited from the do-it-all safety who is a ball hawk in pass coverage, a disrupter of the run game and an extra pass rusher when needed.

Baltimore rewarded Ed Reed on Tuesday with a six-year contract extension worth a reported $40 million, including $15 million guaranteed.

Troy Polamalu stars for Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh. Roy Williams is the face of Dallas' defense, and Rodney Harrison's versatility was vital to New England's last two Super Bowl teams.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 25th, 2006, 1:27am
Here we go...  Gallery [smiley=headbanger.gif] dinged... according to "The REAL Feed":

Raiders place tackle Gallery on PUP list with quad injury (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2528911&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (25.07.2006 01:07)
Robert Gallery's move back to left tackle was temporarily put on hold Monday when the Oakland Raiders placed the third-year offensive lineman on the physically unable to perform list.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 26th, 2006, 6:36am
Raiders get their first-rounder in... according to "The REAL Feed":

Raiders ink first-round pick Huff (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4032403.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (26.07.2006 01:15)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Jul 26th, 2006, 6:20pm
UH-OH,... Porter owners...  From "The REAL Feed":

Report: Raiders' Porter wants out of Shell game (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2530265&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (26.07.2006 13:16)
Jerry Porter told The San Francisco Chronicle that he has asked the team to trade him.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by MordecaiCourage on Aug 4th, 2006, 2:06am
Brooks confident that he's the man...Shell's mum :-X!...  From off "The REAL Feed":

Former Saints QB Brooks fine with uncertainty in Oakland (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/03/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.brooks.0499/index.html
)  
SI.com: NFL (04.08.2006 00:06)  

Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2006, 3:56pm
Good indications for Janikowski owners...  From "The REAL Feed":

Kickers in midseason form during preseason opener
Ventura County Star: NFL (07.08.2006 09:05)
At least the placekickers were in good form. Sebastian Janikowski made field goals of 50, 51 and 24 yards Sunday night, lifting the Oakland Raiders past the Philadelphia Eagles 16-10 in the Hall of Fame game at Canton, Ohio, to open the NFL preseason.

(If you want to read the article, go to "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)".  I didn't include the link because it's not new news from what else has been posted here in "the Red Zone" regarding yesterday's game.  The caption above serves the purpose here.)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Aug 7th, 2006, 10:08pm
Porter again....

Porter reaggravates muscle strain (http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/6631540)
NFL.com (08/07/06)
Jerry Porter has a strained stomach muscle and the Oakland Raiders are busy trying to figure out who to use as a deep threat against Cincinnati.

Curry, Gabriel, and Whitted are salivating.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 13th, 2006, 1:36am
Receiver expected to play on Monday despite being disgruntled and dinged-up... according to "The REAL Feed":

Disgruntled Raiders WR Porter expected to play (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2548041&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (12.08.2006 23:20)
Oakland Raiders coach Art Shell expects disgruntled wide receiver Jerry Porter to play against the Minnesota Vikings on Monday night.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 22nd, 2006, 4:49am
Rook... [smiley=newbie.gif] injured... according to "The REAL Feed":

Huff doubtful with sprained left ankle (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/21/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.huff.0358/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (22.08.2006 03:30)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 22nd, 2006, 10:50pm
Keep your eye on Courtney Anderson as a tight-end sleeper [smiley=sleepers.gif] this year.  From "The REAL Feed":

Tight ends could be big part of Raiders offense (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/22/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.tight.ends.0541/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (22.08.2006 07:34)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 24th, 2006, 11:28pm
Center will miss significant time, but does not need surgery...  From "The REAL Feed":

Raiders center doesn't need surgery, will miss 3-4 weeks (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/24/2020.ap.fbn.raiders.grove.0166/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (24.08.2006 17:38)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Aug 25th, 2006, 11:34pm
Just as a point of interest:

The Raider 4th Preseason game as at the half -

Brooks: 9-15, 188 yards, 2TD's, 0 INT's.
Moss: 3 receptions, 102 yards, 2 TD's.

And the D is kicking butt.  Sure, it's Preseason.  But it is certainly worth watching if you're drafting this weekend.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 25th, 2006, 11:52pm

on 08/25/06 at 23:34:33, Callie wrote:
Just as a point of interest:

The Raider 4th Preseason game as at the half -

Brooks: 9-15, 188 yards, 2TD's, 0 INT's.
Moss: 3 receptions, 102 yards, 2 TD's.

And the D is kicking butt.  Sure, it's Preseason.  But it is certainly worth watching if you're drafting this weekend.


Eh... :-/ This is just the kind of late preseason hype that could cost the fantasy footballer when the real games start being played.  Tonight's numbers/performance could be as misleading as it is "indicating".  That said, YES, it is DEFINITELY NOT a bad sign, BUT, on the other hand, it is NOT necessarily a sign of things to come.

In fact, now that I think about it for a second,... [smiley=thinking.gif] that's how I go about my assessing preseason "stuff" in general,... in the negative that is.  I look at things in terms of "not bad" and "not good" as opposed to looking at performances (in "positive" terms) as "good" or "bad".  It seems like the (positive) psychological effect is that it makes me not "overvalue" good or bad performances.  The leap from "good" to "great" or "bad" to "terrible" is easy, almost seamless, when speaking in "positive" terms, but in negative terms, we usually do NOT think of things "'not' this or that" in "degrees".  It's just "not good" or "not bad".  We don't typically think "very not good" or "very not bad".  Even the terms "not very good" or "not very bad" are "middle-ground" terminology and not very big leaps, though I would still restrict myself to thinking only in terms of "not good" and "not bad".  Case in point, Brooks's and Moss's performances here tonight could be thought of as pretty good, good, great, excellent, outstanding, and the leaps are quite easy to make, whereas, I (would advise to) just think of it all as "not bad",... period.  Now, don't get me wrong...  I'm not right all the time.  It's that fantasy football is about playing the percentages, and I would suggest that my approach is good for that because it gets you away from thinking in terms of extremes. [smiley=twocents.gif] ... [smiley=zenmaster.gif]
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Aug 25th, 2006, 11:58pm
Just trying to call attention to things worth watching.  And I stand by it.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 26th, 2006, 8:35am
I think that there's a big point that is being overlooked here, Steg.  And that is the fact that Randy's ego will be helped immensely by the long TD pass. He's felt rather ignored in the offense so far in the preseason and has let people know about it. In turn, Brooks has fired back and said he's not going to go out there and just look to throw to Moss every time; he's going to work within the confines of the system. There were some rough edges on the Brooks-Moss relationship early on. I think that the fact that they did hook up for a long TD shows Moss that he will be looked for and that he's shown Brooks that he can be trusted to catch the ball when he throws it deep. I see that as being more than "not bad" and maybe even a little mini-revelation for the two.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by cwhams on Aug 26th, 2006, 9:09am
I agree and tend to put decent emphasis on pre-season in three areas:
(1) I love to see rookies get playing time and do well.
(2) I love to see disgruntled player come out and do well (Moss).
(3) I love to see (comeback players) formerly injured players do well.

There is a lot of meaningless playing time out there in pre-season, but a keen I can also pick-up some good waiver wire information when injuries make your team pickings pretty slim in mid-season.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 26th, 2006, 9:30am

on 08/25/06 at 23:58:04, Callie wrote:
Just trying to call attention to things worth watching.  And I stand by it.


The reason I think Brooks and Moss stats are important is because all you tend to hear about is when a player sucks in preseason.  It is nice to hear something positive about Brooks because he has gotten crap all preseason.  Hell, I couldn't even get interest in Brooks in a DEEP keeper league because everyone hears he has had a horrible preseason and in danger of losing his job.  It is nice to hear something positive......  I will be the first to admit that Brooks is not an all-star, but, the one thing he can do is throw the ball far.  Nice to see that Moss can catch the long ball....  Could make for an interesting season!!!

(and one preseason game a season does not make, BUT, again, at least it is something positive.)
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 26th, 2006, 7:03pm
While it was (initially) in response to Callie's post specifically (I posted it here because that is when circumstances "happened" to lead me to think of it... as opposed to my writing it in soap on my shower wall ;)), my point is ultimately "bigger picture".  Jeff, you put your post in terms of pitting us against one another... needlessly.  We don't necessarily (have to) disagree.  I surely see what you're talking about.  It's that I went "macro" with this (topic) and you went/which prompted you to go "micro" with it.  I will add, though, that the more specific the take, the more logical commitments you have to make/it entails, i.e., the more (potential) pitfalls lie between your specific take and the truth/what is (going to be) the case.  While I see where you are coming from with your analysis of Moss and Brooks, there are some assumptions being made that I'm not ready to put much stock into, assumptions which, mind you, you have basically correctly woven into your argument, but which are, thus, critical to it.  One can only accept an argument as a whole to the degree that one can accept all the premises the underlie it and no more, and the more the premises the more potential points of disagreement.  That said, I think you make a basically "valid" point.  Whether it's all the case and will unfold thusly,... we'll just have to wait and see... [smiley=zenmaster.gif]
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Philly on Aug 27th, 2006, 9:21am
I guess I chose to take the micro-analysis that Callie originally made and stick to that instead of getting unnecessarily macro in the view that you did. Callie brought up specific points about the Oakland Raiders -- namely Brooks, Moss, and the defense and I was responding more directly to her (implicit) thoughts regarding Brooks and Moss rather than the role of pre-season in overall ranking/valuing of fantasy assets.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Aug 27th, 2006, 12:08pm

on 08/27/06 at 09:21:16, Philly wrote:
I guess I chose to take the micro-analysis that Callie originally made and stick to that instead of getting unnecessarily macro in the view that you did. Callie brought up specific points about the Oakland Raiders -- namely Brooks, Moss, and the defense and I was responding more directly to her (implicit) thoughts regarding Brooks and Moss rather than the role of pre-season in overall ranking/valuing of fantasy assets.


One set of parentheses is there, but I see no quotation marks in the whole post.  Please try a little harder.   ;D
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Aug 27th, 2006, 5:41pm

on 08/27/06 at 09:21:16, Philly wrote:
...unnecessarily macro.


Well, that's how I play fantasy football.  "Unnecessarily"... maybe vis-a-vis Callie's post, BUT NOT in general.  In any event, that's what came to my mind, and I thought it better to share it with yous than not.  Next time maybe I shan't, huh???  That's what I "take" from your response:  "Keep your ('bigger picture') strategy comments to youself, Steg!" [smiley=zipit.gif] Duly noted. :-/
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Aug 27th, 2006, 5:45pm
Ah, Steggie.  You know we love ya just the way you are.  [smiley=smitten.gif]

We're just all antsy and playful while waiting between drafting and the Season Opener.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by PrimeTime on Aug 28th, 2006, 5:52pm
Just reported in sirius radio - The Raiders signed 38 year old Jeff George.

This in no a joke.  I'm not sure how he helps them, but they must be pretty desperate.  What does this say about Brooks and Walter?
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Aug 28th, 2006, 5:57pm
Here's a link:

Raiders sign Jeff George (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/15382985.htm)
The Mercury News (08/28/06)
The Oakland Raiders signed Jeff George to a contract Monday, bringing back a player who hasn't thrown an NFL pass in five seasons.

I hope this means that Tui will finally get his chance on a WCO team.  He deserves it.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by cwhams on Aug 28th, 2006, 6:27pm
Gee, I guess this means that not only is Tuiasosopo not in contention for the #2 slot behind Walter, but he will be duking it out against an antique who has not played since 2001 with the Red Skins for two games for a slot on the team.

Sure am glad that I did'nt draft that guy. :-*
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Sep 2nd, 2006, 4:19pm
Don't have a good link yet, but Doug Gabriel was traded to the Patriots!  Bump Curry up your board.

(Told ya I didn't trust Gabriel, MC.  ;D)

****

Edit:  I got a link:

New England gets WR Gabriel during Branch holdout (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/15427252.htm)
Mercury News.com (09/02/06)
Wide receiver Doug Gabriel was traded Saturday from the Oakland Raiders to the New England Patriots, who faced the uncertainty of whether holdout Deion Branch will return.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 2nd, 2006, 7:03pm

on 09/02/06 at 16:19:16, Callie wrote:
Bump Curry up your board.


BUMP BOTH Curry AND Gabriel up your boards as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Sep 2nd, 2006, 7:08pm

on 09/02/06 at 19:03:46, StegRock wrote:
BUMP BOTH Curry AND Gabriel up your boards as far as I am concerned.


Maybe.  The Pats like to spread the ball around.  I'd bump Ben Watson up on the Pats.  And we don't know what is going to happen with Branch.  Also, Gabriel is starting on a new team pretty close to the regular season.

My advice is to do a wait-and-see on Gabriel.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Sep 2nd, 2006, 8:31pm
OK.  Changes.  Jeff George, Ron Smart (He Hate Me), and Mr. Irrelevant are cut:

Raiders cut George, Starks, Smart, oh my (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=520&line=72103&spln=1)
Rotoworld.com (09/02/06)
It's a sad day when Jeff George, Mr. Irrelevent (Kevin McMahan), and "He Hate Me" (Smart) all get cut by the same team.

Also, that was fast:

George's comeback ends with his release (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-cuts&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Yahoo Sports (09/02/06)
George's comeback ends with his release

New sheriff in town....
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Sep 2nd, 2006, 8:37pm

on 09/02/06 at 20:31:30, Callie wrote:
OK.  Changes.  Jeff George, Ron Smart (He Hate Me), and Mr. Irrelevant are cut:

Raiders cut George, Starks, Smart, oh my (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=520&line=72103&spln=1)
Rotoworld.com (09/02/06)
It's a sad day when Jeff George, Mr. Irrelevent (Kevin McMahan), and "He Hate Me" (Smart) all get cut by the same team.

Also, that was fast:

George's comeback ends with his release (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-cuts&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Yahoo Sports (09/02/06)
George's comeback ends with his release

New sheriff in town....


George will be resigned.  Cut so they do not have to guarantee his salary.......  He will be resigned after week 1.
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 2nd, 2006, 9:00pm

on 09/02/06 at 20:37:16, DirkDiggler wrote:
George will be resigned.  Cut so they do not have to guarantee his salary.......  He will be resigned after week 1.


Stevo, where are you getting this notion?  I mean I get whence you are coming, but... this is the "closest substance" I could find that could "remotely" be said to be "alluding" to something "like" you're suggesting...

"Having Andrew (injured) like he was, we weren't sure, so we wanted to make sure we took a look at a veteran quarterback we liked for our football team," Shell said. "He'll (George) be on speed dial."

This is from the following piece I found via "the Gridiron Newsstand (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)":

"George's comeback ends with his release (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/09/02/sports/s165258D35.DTL)"

Incidentally, for those who really know me well, you might note that this makes two of Steggie's FAVS, who he feels haven't gotten fair shakes, cut here today (Dayne is the other).  Barring injury, I didn't see much hope for George, I must say, though.

Anyway, DD, are you suggesting that they are going to carry FOUR QB's going into Week Two???  Or...???
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Sep 2nd, 2006, 9:17pm

on 09/02/06 at 20:37:16, DirkDiggler wrote:
George will be resigned.  Cut so they do not have to guarantee his salary.......  He will be resigned after week 1.


I don't know about that, and I don't have a link.  I just know that R. Moss worked out with George in the off-season and encouraged the team to give George a shot.  I figured that George was being tried out as a mentor/backup for Walter.  Brooks is for now.

If George is brought back as a back-up, how can the Raiders keep Brooks & Walter & Tui & George?  If you are right, it may mean that Tui will be traded.

I guess that time will tell.  And Steg is right.  Where did you get that?
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Sep 2nd, 2006, 9:33pm

on 09/02/06 at 21:17:23, Callie wrote:
I don't know about that, and I don't have a link.  I just know that R. Moss worked out with George in the off-season and encouraged the team to give George a shot.  I figured that George was being tried out as a mentor/backup for Walter.  Brooks is for now.

If George is brought back as a back-up, how can the Raiders keep Brooks & Walter & Tui & George?  If you are right, it may mean that Tui will be traded.

I guess that time will tell.  And Steg is right.  Where did you get that?



Sorry, I should not have claimed it as a fact.  It should of been speculation.  I just can't figure out why they signed him if they were not gonna keep him around......  most veterans that sign and then get cut get resigned after the first week.  (ie...Dorsey Levens)  This happens so the contract is not guaranteed.

Update:
As a matter of fact, everything  I read indicates they will NOT resign him.  Strange.....
Title: Re: Raiders Offseason Report
Post by Callie on Sep 2nd, 2006, 9:36pm

on 09/02/06 at 21:33:49, DirkDiggler wrote:
Sorry, I should not have claimed it as a fact.  It should of been speculation.  I just can't figure out why they signed him if they were not gonna keep him around......  most veterans that sign and then get cut get resigned after the first week.  (ie...Dorsey Levens)  This happens so the contract is not guaranteed.


Yeah, Double D.  That makes sense.  George is a Raider legacy, and the Raiders always love legacies.  ;D


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