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Title: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Feb 13th, 2006, 8:57pm on 02/13/06 at 08:50:16, steelkings wrote:
From off "the Gridiron Newsstand": "A Last-Minute Scare (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5321)" In short, he'll be fine... and ready to fend off T.O. ;) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 1st, 2006, 5:00pm The Rocky Mountain News reports that the Denver Broncos have released three popular players in a cap-saving move. Running back Mike Anderson, defensive end Trevor Pryce, and tight end Jeb Putzier have been released. The three releases result in a cap savings of $15 million. The numbers break down as follows; $8.53 million for Pryce, $3.9 million for Putzier and $2.57 million for Anderson. Confirmed on the Broncos webpage: http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5362 I've read the Broncos were shopping Tatum Bell too...I wonder if this bodes well for Ron Dayne to re-sign with them and be the starter? I bet Shanahan drafts yet another back this year. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 5th, 2006, 3:50am [smiley=spchef.gif] /[smiley=footballsmiley.gif] || / /\ |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 6th, 2006, 12:01am on 03/05/06 at 03:50:01, StegRock wrote:
Corroborating Jim's report from above... Tatum Bell Traded by Denver? (http://www.pfcritics.com/news101/TatumBellTradedbyDenver.php) Pro Football Critics (05.03.2006 21:21) The Denver Broncos could be looking into trading running back Tatum Bell, which would eliminate the dangerous one-two punch that the team used this past season. If the trade occurs, it should occur sometime before the NFL draft.The Broncos released veteran running back Mike Anderson a few days a... In all sincerity, it really does look like Dayne is in the "runnin'", so to speak, for the top spot in Denver's rushing attack in '07... The sooner he can get himself signed, though, the better he'll position himself. Draft talk aside, we know that though Shanny loves to draft tailbacks, he does NOT really like to plug them in for full-time duty during their freshman years. It really does seem like Shanahan may be trying to roll the red carpet out for Dayne... to finally fulfill those high expectations we all had for him on his draft day... Stay tuned... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 6th, 2006, 11:01am on 03/06/06 at 00:01:25, StegRock wrote:
I do not think the Donkeys are going to rely on Dayne to be the #1 guy. With all the free agents out there, expect the Donkeys to sign someone and keep Dayne the #2 punch. Chester Taylor would be my educated guess, based on how affordable he will be...... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 7th, 2006, 1:37am My personal "feel" is that C. Taylor is not the guy the Broncos are targeting though I would not put it past Shanny that he does have someone else in mind. Still, though, as I contended almost all of last year (once Clarett disabused me from believing in him, that is), I think Shanny will look to move Dayne into (the aging) Mike Anderson's spot, hopping over Bell, so to speak, keeping Bell as the "fresh-legged" (but fragile) strategically-employed speedster. If they move Bell and a guy like Taylor comes in, I believe it would be the same configuration: Dayne acting as last year's Anderson, the "#1" tailback, and x, be it Bell, Taylor or whoever, being the "strategically-but-often-employed #2". The point, from a fantasy perspective, is that both of their respective values will be limited by each other, but Dayne will be the slightly better one in the sense that he will inherit Anderson's carries. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Chumpzilla on Mar 7th, 2006, 10:11pm The Sirius NFL 2-minute drill reported that Courtney Brown re-signed with the Broncos through 2009. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 8th, 2006, 1:37am Here's a link for that from "The REAL Feed": Broncos keep DE Brown with extension through 2009 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2358166&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (07.03.2006 13:42) The Denver Broncos signed defensive end Courtney Brown to a contract extension through the 2009 season on Tuesday. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 9th, 2006, 4:08am There is some degree of corroboration for my claims regarding Dayne's '06 upswing potential from LOCAL sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand": "Broncos closing in on retaining Dayne (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4518194,00.html)" Case-in-point quote: "Anderson last season accounted for 1,126 yards, primarily while sharing time with Tatum Bell, and Dayne could assume that load." "Dayne's deal close to becoming done (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3572888)" |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 11th, 2006, 9:20pm The Denver Post reports that the Broncos have re-signed running back Ron Dayne, who will compete for the starting job in 2006, and long snapper Mike Leach. Dayne signed a three-year deal, while Leach agreed to four. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 12th, 2006, 12:59pm on 03/09/06 at 04:08:34, StegRock wrote:
You may be right Steg. Here is a qoute from the Denver Post. The RB situation in Denver will be interesting to watch..... Dayne signed a three-year contract. He received a signing bonus of about $750,000 and is the Broncos' in-house favorite to win the starting tailback job. But Denver is likely to draft a tailback next month and could bring in Baltimore's Jamal Lewis. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 12th, 2006, 3:59pm [smiley=whistle.gif] ... ;), Stevo... Just to re-corroborate... [smiley=checkin.gif] Check out this headline from "The REAL Feed": Broncos re-sign Dayne, who might start in 2006 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2365345&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (12.03.2006 13:21) It's a career course taken by a lot of Denver Broncos tailbacks, from afterthought to starter, and now Ron Dayne seems poised to travel the same path. Now, in all honesty, I think Jamal Lewis is a guy the Broncos could bring in,... but probably won't. Vis-a-vis Taylor, Lewis would be good to bring in. He "fits" what the Broncos do "better" than I think Taylor would have. That said, I think Dayne is the "best fit" of all those (who have been) out there (including Edge,... who, mind you, I would have LOVED to have had because of his overall talent, but being a "slasher" and "regular" receiving back is not the "key" to Denver's "running back" attack). Dayne is, frankly speaking, a pudgy, not as fast, but still fast enough Terrell Davis. Also, Dayne actually may deliver a better stiff-arm than Davis did. The key is that he is a "one-cut" back, which is precisely what the Broncos' running game is all about. He is not an "up-the-middle" or "take-it-to-the-corner" or "multiple-cut-slasher-type" or "versatile-receiving" or "total-improv-scrambling" back. The thing with Lewis is that he is not your quinessential "one-cut" back. He is somewhere between an "up-the-middle" back and a "one-cut" back. The same applied to Mike Anderson. That's why he wasn't as successful as others who came through the system (that and, as far as this last season went, age, of course). However, I lament... All fingers are pointed in the direction of their bringing in "ONE PARTICULAR" big-ticket free-agent: T.O. [smiley=no.gif] Please, Donkos, don't sell your souls to the devil!!! We don't need to!!! Spend the money on linemen or defenders,... NOT T.O.!!! |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by sameoldsameold on Mar 12th, 2006, 6:16pm Jamal Lewis to Meet With Broncos Broncos | Team may have a visit with J. Lewis Published Sun Mar 12 6:14:00 p.m. ET 2006 (KFFL) ESPN.com's John Clayton reports free agent RB Jamal Lewis (Ravens) has been unable to reach a deal so far with the Baltimore Ravens. He will decide before the end of the day Sunday, March 12, if he wants to make a visit to the Denver Broncos. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by sameoldsameold on Mar 13th, 2006, 4:03am ok visit is set now Broncos | Frankel says J. Lewis will visit Denver Monday Published Sun Mar 12 11:56:00 p.m. ET 2006 (KFFL) The Associated Press reports free agent RB Jamal Lewis (Ravens) will visit with the Denver Broncos Monday, March 13, according to agent Mitch Frankel. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 13th, 2006, 5:57pm Well, that got grounded before it even got off the ground... All that hullaballoo... and the old Stegger [smiley=peedog.gif] was [smiley=bullseye.gif] without any help from unnamed "other hyperbole-disposed" sites... ;) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 20th, 2006, 6:20pm Updating the events of our weekend of disaster... [smiley=yikes.gif] From "The REAL Feed": LANG JOINS BRONCOS (http://www.sportinglife.com/nfl/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/06/03/18/GRIDIRON_USA-Denver.html) Sporting Life: NFL (18.03.2006 14:36) Kenard Lang has signed a three-year contract with the Denver Broncos. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by sexydexy on Mar 20th, 2006, 9:22pm Can we just call this team the Denver Browns already? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 21st, 2006, 8:11pm Denver acquires the Falcons 15th pick over all this year in exchange for their 29th pick and some mid round picks. What does this mean? They are moving up in order to get a RB!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2378875 |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by KillerKingSting on Mar 22nd, 2006, 3:47am on 03/21/06 at 20:11:15, DirkDiggler wrote:
It would sur[prise me if the donkeys traded up to get a RB in a draft that is so deep with them given Denver's history of making stud backs out of 3rd rounders. I say they are moving up to nab one of the Wide outs ( Rods getting up there in the age department; Ash hasn't developed as hoped; nor has any other receiver) : Santonio Holmes or Chad Jackson with Moss on the back burner. or perhaps an offensive tackle, Winston Justice - to put some zip into that aging OLINE of theirs. :D |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 23rd, 2006, 3:52am I think there is just a "BIT" of a modus operandi there underlying old Stevo's take... http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/rosters.htm. [smiley=sinister.gif]-"Mu-ah-ha-ha!" They are almost definitely not interested in taking a tailback with that pick... just like they never (really) had any interest in Chester Taylor. [smiley=cantcatch.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:21am on 03/23/06 at 03:52:53, StegRock wrote:
I really just not think the Broncos will rely on Dayne. Have you seen Ron Dayne run? Did you not see him play as a NY Giant. He would literally run two steps and then fall down..... Plus, if you look at the caliber of back that will be available at 15, I think they will definitely take a RB, either LenDale White, Lawrence Malroney, or maybe even the Williams will fall. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by PrimeTime on Mar 23rd, 2006, 11:23am I have to agree with Steg on this one. I think they are going to go WR with their first pick. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Mar 23rd, 2006, 12:11pm Dayne as our starter? I'll believe it when I see it. I don't know, Steg... Remember, you were telling me very recently that J. Garcia is an absolute keep for this upcoming year. Are you still drinking that juice? I agree that they MIGHT go with a receiver with a pick but I highly doubt it will be with the 15th. Talk around town is there may be discussions with Buffalo to work a deal for their 1st rounder and Moulds. If that happens, it must mean Shanahan has someone in his sights that he doesn't feel will fall to the 15th pick. Michael Huff maybe? Or Cutler? All speculation at this point. At least they made a huge move up in the draft and really, didn't have to give up a ton to make a 14 spot jump. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 23rd, 2006, 5:28pm on 03/23/06 at 12:11:39, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
I never said that!!! >:( He was a better guy to have on my GBRFL roster at season's end than Eddie Kennison. That's says something of my thinking, for sure, but it does NOT say that. In any event, at this point, given where he's signed, he's NOT a keeper and probably not even draftable. If/When McNabb incurs an injury, that, of course, changes. on 03/23/06 at 10:21:50, DirkDiggler wrote:
You're still living back then??? How about Lamar Smith or Ahman Green in Seattle??? Do you even remember them??? How about Reuben Droughns in Detroit??? Or, relatively speaking at least, Priest Holmes in Baltimore??? The Jet, LaMont Jordan??? Cris Carter in Philadelphia??? Joe Horn, the Chief??? The Saint, Jake Delhomme??? Brett Favre in Atlanta??? Trent Green in Washington or San Diego??? Kurt Warner, the stockboy??? ... Guys can turn it around, dude... The BOTTOM LINE in New York is twofold: they weren't using him right, which then, in turn, led to his becoming discouraged and "giving up" and gaining weight. Truth be said, he had his moments in the year one. Tiki just "took over". ... He's quite a different dude now!!! Did YOU not see him run LAST year??? Quote:
Oh,... you mean,... a (crapshoot) rookie... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] a la, J.J. Arrington, Cedric Benson, blah-blah-blah blah-blah. I KNOW there are counter-examples to that counter-example. The point is that what you present here is NOT a logical consequence, no less truth, NOT even close. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by KillerKingSting on Mar 24th, 2006, 10:22am on 03/23/06 at 17:28:05, StegRock wrote:
Excellent excellent EXCELLENT Wow, couldn't have said it better or gave a more informative example myself! Not in a million. Greatly said, well put! [smiley=clap.gif] Quote:
Why not pay your OWN player to stay (Mike Anderson) instead of gambling on a rook that may not shake out? Why pay the Great Dayne [smiley=hellhound.gif] a 3 year deal - if no confidence in him? (yah I know, I said it.......I called him his glorious collegiate pet name......he should earn that name this year is my bet [smiley=thinking.gif] [smiley=warminup.gif], |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 24th, 2006, 1:09pm on 03/24/06 at 10:22:27, KillerKingSting wrote:
The only thing that will prove me correct is the season....... Why go with a rookie? 1) The Broncos have a history of going with rookies. 2) Have you seen DeAngelo Williams and the other great backs available this year? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by sameoldsameold on Mar 24th, 2006, 3:45pm well if we go with history then....when was the last time the broncos took a RB in the first round? I cant remember when...i could be wrong but im pretty sure they havent...in a long time....i also think they get a WR and TE in the first round...their defense is fine...they jus need to tune up their offense....and with a draft deep at RB i think they take someone in a later round.... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 24th, 2006, 11:59pm Sheesh... on 03/24/06 at 13:09:12, DirkDiggler wrote:
But, not (necessarily) fielding them much their rookie season. Quote:
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by KillerKingSting on Mar 25th, 2006, 12:33pm on 03/24/06 at 13:09:12, DirkDiggler wrote:
Hey babe-bee!!! I LOVE DirkAngelo Williams! The guy has got the pep in his step, the slide in his glide, the move in his groove and some slip in his hip!!!!!! WATCH OUT NOW! But what about Denver's wideouts? Their TE? How are they to stretch the field to let DeAngelo run? Whose going to dominate the hash marks to open the same-old/same-old WRs up? And with their aging OLINE? And if DeAngelo gets hurt? Which by the way, he has a history of doing, then? And now the wide receiver pool has dried up in the drafts - it'll take more developmental years to get another one going, the time is NOW. If Vernon Davis fell to the 15th spot - and Sinorice Moss at the 24th :o SWEET MOTHER OF HUBBARD! |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Mar 29th, 2006, 10:28pm Donkos keep Burnsy in the fold... From "The REAL Feed": Broncos re-sign Burns (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4012634.htm) The Sports Network: NFL (29.03.2006 21:03) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 10th, 2006, 11:18am Are the Broncos looking to move up inthe draft to grab Davis? Inquiring minds want to know!! http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3688981 |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Apr 19th, 2006, 11:57am What's Up With Lelie? Is Ashley trying to force the Broncos hand at what they are going to do at the draft or does he just want out? http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_3725256 |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 19th, 2006, 3:43pm Broncos trade pick #22 in round 1 to SF for their 2nd and 3rd rounders...does this help them acquire Javon Walker, maybe? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2413928&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Apr 19th, 2006, 6:04pm on 04/14/06 at 03:42:27, StegRock wrote:
Well, this trade probably alleviates the concern I expressed above (on the NFL Draft Discussion thread "between the 20's"). They are really no longer in a position to take White now (unless they waste their #15 pick on him). Ron [smiley=spchef.gif] Dayne is the man for the Broncos in '06! [smiley=dancin.gif] Mark my words! [smiley=yes.gif] ... Regarding Lelie, Markie,... I just think it's "deep offseason" posturing... when such posturing comes at a relatively cheap price (both in terms of money and preparation). That said, I think it is HIGHLY likely that he is not in a Broncos uni come '07. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Apr 20th, 2006, 9:55pm on 04/19/06 at 18:04:38, StegRock wrote:
Well,... strike that, perhaps... According to the SI piece I just cited over on our "General NFL Draft Discussion Thread" "between the 20's", Denver's likely to go running back at #15. Here's a link to the thread: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;action=display;num=1136242356;start=25. I wasn't aware White was from Denver! :-/ |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 25th, 2006, 7:01pm Here is an interesting read: http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html Broncos may deal for Ricky if he wins his appeal. Hmmm... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by sameoldsameold on Apr 25th, 2006, 7:38pm jus heard ricky is suspended for the year.... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Callie on Apr 25th, 2006, 7:43pm Here's a link! NFL suspends Ricky Williams for 2006 (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/14426826.htm) AP(04/25/06) Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams was suspended for the 2006 season by the NFL on Tuesday for violating the league's substance abuse policy for the fourth time. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Apr 29th, 2006, 5:33pm As per NFL Draft coverage on ESPN, Denver lands WR Javon Walker by trading their pick #37 away to Green Bay. What a deal!!! What a steal!!! |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Apr 29th, 2006, 5:46pm on 04/29/06 at 17:33:19, StegRock wrote:
What I like about this deal is that it fits the Broncos to a T. Despite the rumors regarding Lelie, Walker is much more of a Rod Smith-type receiver and, as such, a better replacement for the aging Smith (in the long run, at least). In this sense, this deal, as opposed to if they justed drafted Jackson, Holmes or Moss, all of whom would have been better replacements for Lelie, should give Lelie at least a modicum of hope. Furthermore, Smith, as well as Lelie, need not worry too, too much in the immediacy as Walker still needs to get 100% healthy. This is the perfect long-term and short-term acquisition given the specifics of the dynamics of the Broncos current "tender" situation. [smiley=yes.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 30th, 2006, 2:30pm Being a Walker owner in the GBRFL2, I am really loving it!!! [smiley=headbanger.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Apr 30th, 2006, 4:20pm on 04/30/06 at 14:30:35, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Honestly, though it is surely good that he is out of that bad situation in Green Bay, I don't know if going to Denver is a good thing fantasy-wise. The Broncos, in general, and Shanny, in particular, are not known for producing prolific receivers. Under Elway before Davis (and Shanahan), it was weird... They weren't a good running team, but Elway's numbers most season weren't spectacular either. Once Shanny came on the scence,... as we all know all too well,... they are all about the running game. Furthermore, Smith and Lelie are still in Denver, at least for '06, and he's still healing. As per the the picture I paint above, Walker is a perfect fit for football reasons. For fantasy, he may not be that great until '07 and, even then, we'll see how well he can flourish in a run-first, run-second, and run-or-pass-third system with Jake Plummer (or Jay Cutler) at the helm rather than Brett Favre (mind you,... as yous know, I LOVE Jake, but, let's face it,... he's not Brett Favre). |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Apr 30th, 2006, 7:32pm Cutler's take on himself and his coming to Denver... from "The REAL Feed": Cutler insists he's as good as any quarterback in the draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/30/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.cutler.0496/index.html) SI.com: NFL (30.04.2006 17:53) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 2nd, 2006, 5:52pm Lelie has burned his bridge (at least in Denver)... http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3774437 I just don't see how he can come back now...I really thought that at some point he was going to turn it around and become the power receiver in Denver. Not only does he say the worst case scenario of sitting out is the most likely, he refuses to even compete to see where he might be. That can't help him in the short-term. The rumblings here say they tried to trade him at the draft, but the offers were much less than expected. The funny thing is the article says he and J. Walker are currently working out together and are good friends. One thing about Lelie - he does seem to be a decent person. At least this isn't the normal money issue. IMHO - The Broncos won't deal him unless they get their preceived fair value. If he sits out the year, they just won't pay him. They need him (and he could help) but if he chooses to hold out, they will let him sit and stew. As Jim Croce sang (with some embellishment): You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't smack Wonderwoman's fanny, you don't pull the mask of the ol' Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Shanny. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 2nd, 2006, 6:07pm on 05/02/06 at 17:52:55, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
This may save the day, actually, as far as his getting on the field this year. BUT, his value fantasy-wise has dimished EXPONENTIALLY, no two ways about it!!! That said, as per my analysis above, I still see hope both for him fantasy-wise and for him as a Bronco... in the long run... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 3rd, 2006, 8:36am I agree, Steg. I just had hopes for the dude. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 4th, 2006, 2:06am on 05/03/06 at 08:36:12, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
I'm not sure I understand how it is that you agree with me, Markie!?!? [smiley=shrug.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 4th, 2006, 11:28am I agree that for this year, specifically, his value by his sitting out takes a huge hit. If he would come to camp, who knows where he is? Rod is #1, no doubt for now. Walker is the one in charge of changing that position. But look at Eddie Mac. One thing can change your career. And with the Broncos taking another two WRs in the draft, they basically are telling Lelie to enjoy his year vacation. They now have 5 WRs to find spots after the 1 and 2 spots. The Broncs have made a statement. Do not force their hand. If Lelie does decide to come back, he's eating a ton of crow. I just don't know if that is in his personality. As for long term... [smiley=crystalball.gif] ATL? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 4th, 2006, 1:58pm Gotchya, bro... Questions... What's the local take on Jay Cutler and what's yours, which is also a local take? How is Jake Plummer, who is coming off his best (NFL) season ever, mind you, "feeling" about things? How does the team seem to feel about it? Was this all done at Shanahan's behest? Most importantly and to the point, what do you think the Broncos plans are... long term and short term? And, then, on to other matters, how psyched is Ron Dayne about getting a chance to be the man, finally? As it "appears", i.e. they, relative to years past, haven't even barely sniffed around for tailbacks, grabbing none in the draft or in free-agency, Dayne will be given the chance of filling Mike Anderson's shoes in '06, right? What's the local word on the street on all this, Markie? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on May 4th, 2006, 10:23pm My friend who works for the Broncos says the front office loves Dayne and will give him the chance to start this season. He will fill Anderson's role with the team. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 4th, 2006, 11:34pm I agree with Barnaby and his friend. Contrary to an earlier posting right here in this subject, I must change my way of thinking. I think that Dayne will be given every chance to run, with Bell coming in to spell him. Tho, there is always free agency...[smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] ;) As for Plummer, I feel he has taken the news like a pro - at least what the media is reporting. He is saying all the right things, talking about competition is always good and looking to improve on next year while understanding that the Broncos are looking towards the long-term future as well. Personally, I think this season just might be Jake's best year and we may see another Brees/Rivers situation. He now has both Smith and Walker to throw to - Walker will draw double coverage and Smith will be alone. Plus, I think the TE they drafted could be a real asset. My humble opinion - there is no quarterback controversy. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 5th, 2006, 5:48pm Markie, Jim,... anyone else out Colorado,... how about general public sentiment on these matters? How are Coloradans/Denverites taking to Dayne as their man in '06 and what are they thinking about Plummer, who has never been on completely solid ground with the fans, considering Cutler and what do they think of him??? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 9th, 2006, 7:02pm Still awaiting responses to this... [smiley=crickets.gif] on 05/05/06 at 17:48:39, StegRock wrote:
Guess there's some HOT info you guys don't want to tell us about... [smiley=impatient.gif] Anyway, atop "The REAL Feed",... Walker's officially a Bronco... Walker's agent: Deal done with Broncos worth at least $40M (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/05/09/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.walker.0512/index.html) SI.com: NFL (09.05.2006 18:36) AND, John's [smiley=Elway.gif] thoughts on how Jake will respond to Cutler's presence given that he too went through something a bit similarish... Elway: Plummer will respond to challenge of new quarterback (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/05/09/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.cutler.elway.0488/index.html) SI.com: NFL (09.05.2006 18:36) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 10th, 2006, 1:27am There really hasn't been a ton of talk about Dayne. As it has been said, Dayne will be given every chance to make the first team (not a direct quote from the head coach but pretty close from an article I read prior to the draft). As for the Cutler/Plummer situation, the key here is during the Shanahan era, the lowest Bronco pick has been 15. They then traded up to go to 11 to get a QB. So, that tells you how much they thought of the QBs. Now for the rub. There is a small rumor that has disappeared and we will never know the real answer regarding this but there was talk the Broncos were hot to move up to the 8th pick overall when both Leinart and Cutler were available. Speculation is they were trying to get Leinart. Is that the truth? It probably will never be known. To try and answer your question - there was a poll done in one of the newspapers asking who would be the Broncos QB for the year. I want to say it was just over 80% gave it to Plummer. Is he close to being benched? I just don't see how. But I do see Cutler wanting to have a shot at the starting position - could push in Sept. 2007. To be completely honest, the Broncos talk has been kinda back-burnerish lately. Denver is a VERY spoiled city, with the Nuggets and Avalanche making the playoffs this year and the Rockies (I really can't believe I am writing this) playing with passion. Denver is and always will be a Bronco town, but knowing that football is a couple of months away still and with the KMart/Kiki scandal for the Nuggets and the Avs winning the first series (and now getting beat like a DU hockey team from the early 90s), the Bronco talk has taken a back seat out here. But as you know, it is but a temporary exile. Come a couple of weeks before mini-camp and this place will be buzzing again with Bronco Talk. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 15th, 2006, 4:25am I know you boyz are hungry... A new FantasyFootballer.com EXCLUSIVE "FF-specific Team Report" for the Broncos is up... http://ffpro.com/teamreports/broncos/broncos-footballinfoframes.htm. ENJOY!!! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 17th, 2006, 1:10am Lelie digging his grave... The holdout hath "unofficially" begun... From "The REAL Feed": Shanahan growing tired of Lelie's absences (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5613260?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5) FOXSports.com :: NFL (16.05.2006 22:13) Ashley Lelie's absence is starting to chafe Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. As promised, Lelie was a no-show Tuesday when the Broncos gathered for on-field work for the first time since losing the AFC title game to Pittsburgh in January. "I can't worry about the guys that aren't here -... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 18th, 2006, 3:49pm Small, quiet, under-the-radar (~on the [smiley=radar.gif]) but not unimportant signing... If this kid could ever get it together... This is one of those signings that amounts to "detailing", detailing which could just make the difference for a team on the brink... From "The REAL Feed": CB Middlebrooks returns to Broncos (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/05/18/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.middlebrooks.0181/index.html) SI.com: NFL (18.05.2006 14:10) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 22nd, 2006, 5:10pm Another addition to the Cleveland Broncos D-line... From "The REAL Feed": You get tired of losing' - Lang thrilled to be latest 'Brownco' (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/05/22/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.lang.0586/index.html) SI.com: NFL (22.05.2006 16:12) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 25th, 2006, 11:49am JAKE PLUMMER ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT HOT SEATS... http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3861411 Not only having to deal with Cutler, he now is in the middle of a firestorm here in Denver. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 25th, 2006, 2:51pm Eh... This was littering "The REAL Feed" yesterday... A "firestorm"... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] I found it to be such a joke that I didn't even bother reporting it here in "the Red Zone". I can only guess that you are being facetious (that said, my LaDainian-Katrina deal still stands... ;)). I guarantee that this blows over very quickly and makes not a bit of difference regarding matters of substance on the field. While I surely love local takes, this is just local hyperbole. It's a non-starter... unlike Jake. ;) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 25th, 2006, 6:48pm The response here in Denver has been very heavy. And, I don't think it has been ignored nationally, either: - Today, both papers, cover story in the sports section. - Yesterday, main cover story in one of the papers (the Post I believe). - Yesterday and today, the entire focus of a call-in show that is NOT sports related. - Lead topic for the NFL segment on national ESPN radio this morning (Cowherd) People here are getting upset because 1) they believe he lied to cover his ass 2) from independent eyewitness reports, he was driving like a maniac 3) this isn't the first time Jake has had strange run-ins here and 4) people think he was given "homer" treatment. I don't know - nationally this will die down but locally . . . |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 25th, 2006, 7:46pm "Eh..." Let's revisit this in three months... or not... Jim, are you getting the same drift as Markie here??? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by BarnabyWilde on May 25th, 2006, 9:48pm Yes, I would agree with Drew. It's be all over the local papers and nightly news. I was particularly put off when he started talking about being a role model then said, "blah blah blah..." and rolled his eyes. Made me think he was kinda an idiot. What he did was wrong. Stand up and just say it and be done with it. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on May 26th, 2006, 12:06am Barnaby - Great catch on the "blah, blah, blah...". I, too, was pissed about that comment. I know being in the spotlight here in Colorado is different since the Broncos are the #1 news item in town but then again, if you come here, you have to be prepared for that. Like it or not, the Broncos are easy news makers here. An interesting opinion (for those who care) on the Plummer thing from a local writer: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_4725719,00.html |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 26th, 2006, 2:14am Interesting stuff, guys... We'll see. Here's the latest ESPN report on this from "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)": Shanahan backs Plummer in road rage allegations (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2458244&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (25.05.2006 17:30) Mike Shanahan is backing up his quarterback's version in his alleged road rage incident but says Jake Plummer still needs to take the high road when he finds his blood starting to boil. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on May 31st, 2006, 4:28am Seemingly unremarkable pick-ups... From a LOCAL source covering the Broncos available on "The REAL Feed": Broncos sign three players (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4738865,00.html) Rocky Mountain News: Broncos & NFL (31.05.2006 04:12) The Denver Broncos signed three players out of the NFL Europe league on Tuesday, including running back Marty Johnson who helped Utah reach its highest national ranking after the 2004 season. Knowledge of the pick-up of RB Marty Johnson, who once looked to have a lot of promise coming out of Utah, is worth tucking away in a back pocket given the Broncos' penchant for making star tailbacks out of no-namers along with their currently thin corps of running backs. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jun 8th, 2006, 6:23am A LOCAL piece about a made-to-order Bronco who will be opening holes for Dayne and Bell and protecting Jake... from "The REAL Feed": Eslinger a perfect fit for Broncos (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4759412,00.html) Rocky Mountain News: Broncos & NFL (08.06.2006 04:06) Mike Munchak has the coveted gold jacket in his closet, the one that comes with induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame after his career as a Houston Oilers guard. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jun 12th, 2006, 4:18pm on 06/12/06 at 13:34:32, BarnabyWilde wrote:
As the "Broncos Correspondent (http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/broncos/broncos-footballinfoframes.htm)" 'round here, I must note that, according to the piece, the Broncos could be right at the center of this... After all, he is a University of Colorado product... On the other hand, according to the article, it may not be him they're targeting... [smiley=hmmmm.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jun 17th, 2006, 4:56pm As it turns out, the Lelie-to-New England rumors were untrue... according to "The REAL Feed": Belichick not interested in Lelie (http://blogs.foxsports.com/NFL_Czar/2006/06/15/Not_interested) FOXSports.com :: NFL (16.06.2006 21:06) Bill Belichick doesn't have much to say during the off-season. But the Patriots coach has made it clear he won't give up a top talent to land disgruntled Broncos receiver Ashley Lelie. Our NFL Czar tackles that, Big Ben, and much more in his latest blog post. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jun 26th, 2006, 1:17am New FF-specific team report up... by Yours Truly... [smiley=awwgee.gif] http://ffpro.com/teamreports/broncos/broncos-footballinfoframes.htm. Enjoy! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 6th, 2006, 7:18pm Lelie continues his holdout... according to "The REAL Feed": Disgruntled Broncos receiver Lelie skips minicamp (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2511047&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (06.07.2006 14:05) Still hoping to force a trade before the start of training camp, disgruntled wide receiver Ashley Lelie skipped the Denver Broncos' mandatory minicamp session on Thursday and is expected to boycott the entire three-day event. It will be interesting to see if he does get himself traded... Personally, I think Kansas City would be a good destination... [smiley=crystalball.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 7th, 2006, 8:42pm THREE important Broncos reports rolling off "The REAL Feed"... First, an update on the Lelie situation: Broncos moving on without Lelie but would welcome him back (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/07/06/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.lelie.0612/index.html) SI.com: NFL (06.07.2006 19:08) Lelie, ultimately, is being VERY stupid here. Walker really is much more suited to replace Smith than himself. He and his bud could be a sensational receiving tandem in Denver for YEARS to come if he'd just cool off, get real, and be a man and step up to the challenge. [smiley=no.gif] ... Also,... big-legged... and big-mouth punter gets himself suspended for the first month of the season: Source: Sauerbrun suspended for ephedra (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5766070?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5) FOXSports.com :: NFL (07.07.2006 16:05) Broncos punter Todd Sauerbrun was suspended for the first month of the season after testing positive for the banned supplement ephedra, a person close to the player said Friday. Sauerbrun will miss the first four regular-season games if his expected appeal is denied, said the person, who spok... Ass... [smiley=no.gif] ... And,... the Plummer "road rage" issues blows over (as expected ::)): Prosecutor offers plea deal in Plummer road rage case (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2511591&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (06.07.2006 21:06) Prosecutors offered Jake Plummer a plea deal to settle municipal charges in an alleged road rage incident, according to a police spokesman. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Jul 14th, 2006, 10:47am Hey Steg... help a brother out here with some offensive skill player analysis... RB: I keep reading about the Broncos' RB sitch. Tatum Bell this and Ron Dayne that. Then you go and throw Cedric Cobbs and Cecil Sapp in the mix. The one name I'm NOT hearing at all is rookie Mike Bell. He seems like he could really excel in the Denver running attack. We all know that each year someone comes out of nowhere to make a splash... could it be Bell? WR: Smith is da man still, with Walker (apparently) going to be the second option. Lelie is likely to be traded (?). I hear lots of praise for Watts (could be to get under Lelie's skin??). Then what? The Broncos used a couple 4th round picks on WRs: Brandon Marshall (who I like) and Dominic Hixon (who puzzled me being picked so early). How do you see this playing out? TE: Based on the Huddle draft, you think fairly highly of Stephen Alexader as the Bronco TE. They also used a 2nd round pick on Tony Scheffler. How is he progressing? Can he contribute this year? Thanks in advance... (others can feel free to respond to this too... Jamie? Jim?) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 14th, 2006, 5:47pm Well,... Philster,... all,... my take on the QB, RB and WR situations in Denver hasn't at all changed from my perspective,... the picture painted by my last two Broncos updates dated May 15th and June 25th, which are accessible at http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/broncos/broncos-footballinfoframes.htm, and the last post I made on the following thread, http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;action=display;num=1057342002. As for the TE sitch,... it's Alexander's to lose as I see it. They picked up that other guy as backup, but, make no mistakes, Shanny let Putzier go so easily because of Alexander('s upswing). If Alexander finally lives up to the billing, he'll be a fantasy steal. Of course, that's ALWAYS the question with him. Mainly, will he avoid injury? Right now, I would value him around what you were valuing Putzier entering '05. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 14th, 2006, 8:45pm Oh,... and by the way,... I really don't know who Mike Bell is, and for fantasy purposes I don't think we will need to know who he is, at least not foreseeably, or at least not until it/he would happen to matter. Fantasy-wise, he is not an issue, and if/when he were to become one, we hardcore fantasy footballers will know in time, in any event. Honestly, other than that, given that he is a rookie, you probably know more about him than I do, Jeff. BUT, bottom line, I wouldn't waste any "fantasy" sweat thinking about him. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 15th, 2006, 8:46pm Hmmmm... Here's a nugget from a LOCAL source on "The REAL Feed", especially for you IDPers of us, regarding an apparently up-and-coming cornerback out Mile High way: Deer in headlights' now in spotlight for Broncos (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4846947,00.html) Rocky Mountain News: Broncos & NFL (15.07.2006 04:19) Karl Paymah had just sweated out a minicamp practice last week when he was asked about his development as an NFL player. The swagger that permeated his answers was somewhat shocking from someone who had seemed so mild-mannered as a rookie. They're sayin' this guy can back up this newly found swagger of his. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 27th, 2006, 8:04pm "Bad Boy" punter loses appeal,... suspension upheld... From atop "The REAL Feed": Broncos punter loses appeal of four-game suspension (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/07/27/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.sauerbrun.0771/index.html) SI.com: NFL (27.07.2006 19:15) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 28th, 2006, 12:06am Cutler in... Lelie lookin' to get cut rather than cut in... From "The REAL Feed": Cutler signs deal; Lelie a no-show at camp (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5823526?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5) FOXSports.com :: NFL (27.07.2006 23:30) The Denver Broncos reported to training camp Thursday minus Ashley Lelie, but with rookie Jay Cutler agreeing to a last-hour deal. Cutler, the 11th pick in the NFL draft, agreed to a package worth up to $48 million over six years, agent Bus Cook said. The deal was expected to be signed in tim... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 28th, 2006, 2:03pm Here's a LOCAL goodie from off "The REAL Feed": Training camp preview section (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4876739,00.html) Rocky Mountain News: Broncos & NFL (28.07.2006 04:31) A look at what training camp and the upcoming season has in store for the Broncos, as well as the rest of the teams in the NFL. This is actually a conglomeration/summary page with links to various pieces/resources, including league-wide analysis. Regarding the Broncos and the "Dayne-versus-Bell" situation specifically,... I thought this quote was particularly insightful given all the credence fantasy footballers arguing for Bell lend to his yards-per-carry. It's a bit of a rude awakening... "Bell averaged more than 4.2 yards a carry in only one of the Broncos' final seven games in 2005 - he averaged less than 3.5 a carry in three of those games." It's proof in the pudding of Bell's tendency to wear down, which is exactly why Shanahan wants to keep him fresh and, thus, why he won't assume the "Anderson" role (not that the '06 backfield configuration will be exactly the same at the '05 one). |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 29th, 2006, 6:03pm This piece off "The REAL Feed" is a MUST-read for those interested in the Dayne-versus-Bell debate... It gives Shanny's take and Dayne's feelings and depicts the situation just as it IS NOW in Denver and how it was back when in New York... without any rhetorical BS, Dayne trash-talking or misguided opinions (from hopeful, but deluded fantasy footballers with Tatum Bell... and hatred ::) for Ron Dayne): Dayne gets another shot at NFL stardom (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/07/29/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.dayne.0769/index.html) SI.com: NFL (29.07.2006 17:11) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 29th, 2006, 10:41pm Meadows evidently wants a ring... [smiley=awwgee.gif] From "The REAL Feed": Meadows comes out of retirement to line up for Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2533926&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (29.07.2006 21:06) Offensive lineman Adam Meadows has come out of retirement to sign with the Denver Broncos Saturday. This is a NICE addition to that historically prolific Broncos O-line!!! [smiley=broncofan.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Jul 31st, 2006, 1:47pm A Bell is tolling (not toiling) in Denver... and it's not the one you'd think of first... NFL: Bell off to good start in Broncos' practices (http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/sports/20851.php) Rookie RB Mike Bell is impressing coaches and players early in camp. He's a tough, one-cut RB who should excel in the Denver running game. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 31st, 2006, 2:52pm Look, Phil, I don't want to be a naysayer and poop on your parade, man... I mean... you may just be on to something... In time, as in '07 or beyond, or given a serious string of injuries to other tailbacks, with Shanny at the helm, who knows? Maybe, just maybe, Bell is the next in line after Dayne. But, you went all the way to a "hometown" Arizona source for that "positive spin" article. It's ultimately based on the following training camp reports from the Broncos official web site: "Dove Valley Dispatches (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5780)" "Camp Day 3 Report: A Measure of Greatness (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5786)" Though Mike Bell did wow some folks with a few nifty runs, he also had one of the only turnovers of the day (of that first report there), a fumble. His big run (according to that second report) was a whopping 5-yarder against the second team. In any event, when looking at things for fantasy football purposes, you can't forget that many a training camp star never becomes much of anything in the NFL (except maybe as a special-teamer). It wasn't too long ago we were all touting the 70-yard TD runs of TB Ben Gay in Cleveland. "Ben Gay, who?" some of you may say. I say, "Exactly!" Anyway, though, [smiley=plug.gif] plug on, my friend. You are a believer. I can't fault you for that. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:06pm If I recall correctly, it was about this time last year that I was plugging for a little known rookie RB out of tiny Louisiana Tech, saying that he had something special and was a great fit for the team he was on. That RB was Ryan Moats and he turned out to be a fantasy contributor towards the end of the season when Westbrook was hurt. I'd like to think that I have an eye for talent and know when a player fits a scheme well. I think that guy this year could be Mike Bell. Sure, there are plenty of differences between Moats's situation last year and Bell's this year, but I'm just going by a track record with Shanahan (having RBs who are not on the radar come in and produce) -- Davis, Gary, Anderson, Griffin... Granted, my source (an Arizona paper discussing the ex-Arizona rookies in camp this summer) isn't the best, but I wouldn't rely too heavily on the team website for "fair and balanced" reporting when it comes to the team. After all, the website reporters are employees of the team they report on. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:19pm on 07/31/06 at 17:06:18, Philly wrote:
?.?.? ... [smiley=shrug.gif] It's an intriguing call, Jeff. I've already granted you that at this point. I also think you are very good at eyeing young talent (especially) from an NFL perspective (it's your bent) (how that translates over to (efficient) fantasy football analysis,... I'm not yet convinced). All I am saying is that whether Bell ends up the next "Terrell Davis", "Ryan Moats" or "Ben Gay" remains to be seen. In fact, it can't be seen yet. Until it can, he's not worth wasting too much time thinking about... from a fantasy perspective. Now, from a fan and, in particular, rookie enthusiast perspective, that's a different ballgame. He could be a fun guy to follow... even if he isn't the next "Terrell Davis"... or "Ryan Moats", and if he is, more power to you, but, still, understand that you're not going to be any further ahead of the curve on the fantasy gridiron than your avid fantasy footballer who knows when to tune into what and who. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Callie on Jul 31st, 2006, 5:31pm on 07/31/06 at 14:52:47, StegRock wrote:
What kind of mother names her son "Ben Gay"? He was doomed from birth. ;D |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Jul 31st, 2006, 11:37pm on 07/31/06 at 17:19:43, StegRock wrote:
Every time I even mention a rookie, you seem to throw the whole NFL perspective vs. FF perspective in my face, like I can't possibly understand how rookie potential equates (or doesn;t equate) to fantasy relevance. Give that tired gambit a rest already! [smiley=tired.gif] Believe it or not, I do understand that rookies rarely make any real fantasy contribution in their first years. I also understand that rookies often have considerable hurdles to, well, hurdle before they can even sniff an opportunity. Mike Bell is certainly no exception. Bell was never a top tier college back, but the system he was in wasn't ideal for his style and his supporting cast was anything but supportive. And yes, Bell does have the misfortune of being an UDFA for a team that has a stockpile of RBs in Tatum Bell, Cedric Cobbs, Ron Dayne, Cecil Sapp, et. al. in front of him. But I know that the right kind of RB can flourish in the Denver running game. Bell is very similar to Terrell Davis in his running style, speed, and quickness, although Bell probably has a little better balance and strength than Davis. I also see a lot of Dorsey Levens in Bell. Let's face it, Shanny is already a little concerned about Tatum Bell and his ability to hold up and keep producing. Ron Dayne, for all the hype and hope, still only has 53 carries and 1 TD as a Bronco. Cedric Cobbs couldn't hack it in New England, where there was a need for a good back behind Dillon. So, all in all, I like Mike Bell's chances. No, he won't be producing at the start of the season, but if someone goes down, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get an opportunity, which is all I think he needs. In a deep keeper league, he wouldn't be a bad guy to keep tabs on. I can tell you that when Ron Dayne struggles, or Tatum Bell gets hurt, most guys in my money league will be stuck without any clue what to do while I quietly and calmly grab Mike Bell off the free agent list and chuckle my way to a fantasy championship [smiley=graduate.gif]. As we all know, it's the Samkon Gados and the Willie Parkers -- the guys who are unknown commodities -- that help build championship teams when the inevitable injuries strike. I also know that I might be wrong. Two years ago my sleeper pick was a guy named Troy Fleming, who I thought might get a shot to be a feature back for the Titans if (when) Chris Brown got injured. As it turned out, he got moved to fullback (i.e., fantasy irrelevance). I'm just identifying another sleeper pick this year and unfortunately he happens to be on the team you follow closely [smiley=horse.gif] and have a stake in with your open manlove for Ron Dayne [smiley=smitten.gif]. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:51am Well,... anyway,... on 07/31/06 at 23:37:50, Philly wrote:
...this was my favorite quote from the first of the two pieces I link to above... "Ron Dayne had perhaps the run of the day in team drills when he went left, found no room, then cut back right and into the open field, eliciting one fan to bellow, "Talking 'bout Ron Dayne -- Heisman, baby!" [smiley=whistle.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Aug 1st, 2006, 5:58pm on 07/31/06 at 23:37:50, Philly wrote:
Steg - as others here (very nice, Philly) have adeptly pointed out, one item is painfully obvious. If the opportunity ever presented itself, you would gladly volunteer to be the bun for Dayne's lovemeat. Don't hide behind this fact - embrace it. My prediction? I am going to say that Dayne and the Bells will split the carries this year. And I don't think it will be like Anderson/Bell, either. I think it will be fairly even. My problem with Dayne is this: If the Broncos were so high on him, why not give him the carries last year and trade Anderson instead of letting Anderson go for nothing via free agency? Or, at the very least, let Dayne carry the ball a couple of times in the playoffs, when the games really matter (which he didn't). The best part of this discussion is there will be tangible results which will either prove me, Philly and others wrong or will expose Steg for what he really is - Dayne's Hawaiian Lei. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 1st, 2006, 6:10pm on 08/01/06 at 17:58:45, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
I don't know,... in the sense you present here,... I don't find it all too different from the Portis-Droughns transition. And, in a running-back saturated market, they weren't going to get much for Anderson, who, for all we knew, they were dangling behind the scenes, which would account for their keeping him in the display case, and, as for the playoffs, you don't "tinker" during the playoffs if you don't have to. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 1st, 2006, 10:04pm Just interesting... The business [smiley=greedy.gif] [smiley=money.gif] [smiley=twocents.gif] behind it all... this time involves my man, Mr.[smiley=Elway.gif]... From "The REAL Feed": Former Broncos owner loses bid to buy 10 percent of the team (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/01/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.ownership.0328/index.html) SI.com: NFL (01.08.2006 20:38) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 2nd, 2006, 8:12am Donkos going back to the A, B, C's of D... according to this LOCAL source from off "The REAL Feed": D' no longer stands for deception (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4887569,00.html) Rocky Mountain News: Broncos & NFL (02.08.2006 04:34) The Broncos defense is planning to go back to basics. The blitz-heavy scheme employed last season helped carry the team to the AFC Championship Game. The Broncos D/ST is being undervalued, it seems to me, in the fantasy world these days. You may just want to make sure their on your radar [smiley=radar.gif] for a rainy day... [smiley=drip.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 5th, 2006, 5:18pm D takes a hit, at least for the rest of the preseason... From "The REAL Feed": Broncos' Warren dislocates toe, out 2 to 4 weeks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2540572&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (05.08.2006 16:13) Broncos defensive lineman Gerard Warren will be out two to four weeks after dislocating a toe on his left foot during a goal-line drill Saturday. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 7th, 2006, 2:16pm It happened sooner than I thought it would, and I don't buy it for the long term, but it does say something for his ability and the impression he's made on the coaching staff... Mike Bell Promoted to First Team RB (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5780) Bell was promoted to get more work with the first team offense and also because the coaching staff feels he's been the best back in camp so far. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2006, 2:35pm You and he have caught my attention now... He's NOW "officially" on my... [smiley=radar.gif] ... [smiley=bow.gif] And, what do you know? I'll probably still be able to pick him up in JYJ's "experts" league... [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Larsen89 on Aug 7th, 2006, 2:42pm Ohhhhhh my!!!! :o Broncos website: Monday morning meant some massive changes as the Broncos reconvened following a day off. Mike Bell became the first-team running back, working his way ahead of incumbents Tatum Bell and Ron Dayne, who rank second and third on the depth chart, respectively. Jay Cutler, meanwhile, worked his way up to the second-team slot at quarterback, with Bradlee Van Pelt dropping to No. 3. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Tony_O on Aug 7th, 2006, 4:33pm on 08/07/06 at 14:16:52, Philly wrote:
I was very proud to see that you didn't rub it in Steg's face Jeff. In the words of Yoda, "Very impressive is your ability to control yourself". |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2006, 5:12pm Yes, I agree, Toneman... [smiley=yes.gif] I appreciated that. As even Philly intimates, though, we still have to see how this is going to come out in the wash... Just to slightly temper [smiley=doseofreality.gif] the hype right now that's blowing through the fantasy community about this,... there are at least a handful of reasons Shanny's making this move, everything from keeping Dayne and Tatum Bell on their toes to, basically knowing what Dayne and Tatum are capable of, seeing what Mike can do against a first-team NFL defense to showcasing a talent for teams in the need of a tailback to Mike Bell's, in fact, pulling ahead of the competition... Remember, though, last year at this time, i.e. early preseason,... it was Dayne lighting it up, then Bell, then, finally, Anderson, the REGULAR season starter: '05 Preseason Week 1 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=250813034), Week 2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=250820007). Let's see how things shake out come Week 3. That said, I thought I would post the ESPN report from "The REAL Feed": Broncos make undrafted rookie Bell No. 1 RB (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2542300&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (07.08.2006 16:14) The Broncos said Monday that undrafted rookie Mike Bell is now the No. 1 running back headed into the preseason opener this week at Detroit. Mike Bell's being a homer is surely something he's got going for him... Stay tuned... [smiley=threed.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 7th, 2006, 8:01pm This quote from the AP article (published and linked to here via ESPN above) from OC Mike Heimerdinger is quite revealing... "We expect the other two guys (Dayne and Tatum Bell) to push him and take the position back." That said, Shanahan is quoted, saying,... "It is very close, and it could change day by day, week by week, but we felt like Mike deserves a chance to work with the first team and take a look to see if he can keep it." Bottom line,... he's gettin' his chance as Philly was suggesting he would... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 8th, 2006, 5:30am Broncos Preseason Fantasy Rankings UP... Like getting a bead on A LOT of the goings on this offseason, this was rough... [smiley=howtoput.gif] This is my stab: [smiley=scream.gif] http://ffpro.com/teamreports/broncos/broncos-footballinfoframes.htm. Enjoy... ;D |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 8th, 2006, 11:09am Hey Steg... regarding the TE position. You mentioned that the Broncs let Putzier go to make way for Alexander. I keep hearing that it was, in fact, Nate Jackson's improvement that allowed for the release of Putzier. (Of course, with my love of rookies, I'd like to see Tony Scheffler get in the mix.) Do you see Jackson working his way into the starting lineup or is the talking-up of Jackson merely to give Alexander a kick in the tail? ...And, as far as not rubbing the whole Mike Bell thing in anyone's face (or at least shouting "I told you so" from the rooftops)... I personally could care less if Mike Bell makes the team or not. I have no personal stake in it. I just saw him as an ideal fit in this system even before he started impressing in camp. I only appeared a little irked earlier on because my evaluation and analysis was being dismissed so quickly and labeled as biased. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Aug 8th, 2006, 12:10pm Some other players to watch concerning the Broncos: 1) Tony Scheffler, TE - He is really being talked up here locally. I think he will be making the most noise at the position at the end of the year. 2) Brandon Marshall, WR - In practice, he has made some spectacular plays, even over C. Bailey. 3) And the one who is going to make the most noise: (drumroll please - [smiley=drummer.gif]) DAVID KIRCUS I drafted this guy two years ago in the GBRFL (much to the consternation of Steggie) and now I think he is ready to make his claim. In the Broncos system, he has the potential to be the next Easy Ed or Steve Watson. Or Ricky Nattiel. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 8th, 2006, 4:17pm OKAY, I was WRONG about MIKE BELL, [smiley=worship.gif] Jeff!!! YOU picked him out! I staunchly DISAGREED... I was flat-out WRONG (though we don't really know that I was yet,... which is maybe why there can't be all too much "in your face" goin' on just yet :-/)... From the rooftops, [smiley=loudnclear.gif] "YOU WERE RIGHT! I WAS WRONG!" There,... you have it... Are you happy? MIKE BELL is their current, preseason game one starter (not that that is exactly what you predicted, but...)! You saw it... I not only didN'T, but I DENIED it! Let me also restate a-gain that college ball and rookies are NOT my forte, nor my cup of tea (at least the former if you find it only disjointedly applicable to the latter). I tend not to believe the hype until I see it during the regular season... because that's the "bottom line" for fantasy football. Until I join a preseason-based league, that's probably how it will remain. And, outside of the schools I have a connection to,... attended that is,... I am just not into following college sports too closely, other than as a bandwagoner at the end of the season, including college football,... not enough time or desire to watch amateur ball and root for schools I really have no connection to. Go DU (hockey, basketball,...), UH (football, basketball, baseball,...) and CUA (football, basketball, baseball,...)! But, that's it! ... Anyway, regarding the rest,... DR's post,... I read through all the local dailies and the official site, preparing for my Broncos report. His post there is just a VERY short recap/summary,... no "(fantasy) value added", so to speak... It's just TRAINING CAMP HYPE(RBOLE)!!! VERY FEW teams produce two fantasy-worthy tight-ends. The Broncos will be NO different. If they produce one this year, it'll be Stephen Alexander, who, all training camp hype and "youngster love" aside, they have cleared the way for. As they let Putzier go, they didn't know they were going to get Scheffler. All they knew was that they had Alexander, who looked REALLY sharp at times last year. And, in any event, if we are going to go by the "all-important" depth charts (regarding RB's), then what's good for the goose is good for the gander... Alexander is listed as their #1 TE. None of these other TE's should be on your "fantasy"... [smiley=radar.gif] unless Alexander goes down with an injury,... which he has been known to do... But, still,... these guys won't produce Top 12 or even 24 numbers, which is all that matters in your run-of-the-mill 12-team league. As for all these other receivers,... David Kircus had a "big" day like yesterday or the day before. I read ALL ABOUT IT... Woo-hoo! Training camp stud... I'd say more like old Mark Jackson, always on the fringe of fantasy value, than Ed McCaffery, who, bless his heart, mind you, one of my Bronco favs, fantasy-wise really only had a couple of "good", not great, seasons. Marshall has had a good camp, but the Broncos are knee-deep in #3/#4 wide receivers, and if/when Lelie pulls his head out of his ass and returns, forget about it... Almost all of these "other" guys (do the math) are done,... and I don't just mean "fantasy-wise"... I mean NFL-wise... So, what are we doing talking about them up here in "the Red Zone"?!?! on 08/08/06 at 12:10:45, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
Right... And, it was a TERRIBLE pick then, which is all that matters from a fantasy perspective. I'll probably pick him up at just the right time, though,... if he ever is worth it. ;) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 8th, 2006, 5:00pm on 08/08/06 at 16:17:56, StegRock wrote:
WTF is this...? I was just explaining why I wasn't rubbing anything in anyone's face and further explaining why I may have pressed the issue a bit a week or two ago. Your response (above) is not only out of line, it's over the line. :( |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 8th, 2006, 5:23pm on 08/08/06 at 17:00:20, Philly wrote:
Its "spirit" is in connection with the posts down on "the Sidelines" on the "Fantasy Football Magazines" thread... You were "praised" for not laying it on me here. I even agreed. Yet, I am followed around with the Mike Bell bailiwick everywhere... I make an innocent post about one of my favorite, mind you, fantasy football magazines... I get, in essence, called a schmuck,... and [smiley=wizard.gif]Mike Bell appears. While you didn't lay into me here, you and Mike Bell are haunting me "here and there", in areas, mind you, like the post on the "Fantasy Football Magazines" thread, where bringing up Mike Bell is an absolute stretch... In ANY event, as things stand right now, I'm conceding... I am in fact saying you were right... I was wrong... Straight up! You saw hope where I did not, or at least before I recognized it. [smiley=bow.gif] But, complimenting you on not throwing it in my face, on second thought, seemed a little premature/only in the context of this thread, but, in general,... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Tony_O on Aug 8th, 2006, 5:42pm Maybe I shouldn't have said anything? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 8th, 2006, 11:02pm Hmm..... I must say that it was pretty impressive that someone said something about Mike Bell. I had read nothing about it at all. Never even heard of him except here on the Gridiron!! A Gridiron exclusive!! So ultimately, Philly's insight is impressive and betters everyone. Any other pithy insight Mr Philly? [smiley=zenmaster.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 9th, 2006, 7:52am on 08/08/06 at 23:02:42, DirkDiggler wrote:
Ultimately, I was touting MBell because of his specific abilities/style and the offense he landed in. I figured he'd be a guy who would not only make the team as a UDFA, but also hang around and become a contributor once TBell got hurt and/or Dayne proved ineffective. If people scroll up, I even put in the disclaimer that, despite his being promoted to #1 back, it is probably a bit more for show than anything else right now (but there is plenty of substance in that show). I still don't see MBell being the starter when the season starts, but he will throw a monkey wrench into the plans of the owners banking on either TBell or Dayne. As for other pithy insight... I'm hesitant to share since I play with so many of you in FF leagues... ;) But there's a receiver up in Green Bay that I think has a shot to be a contributor earlier than most might think. A guy from tiny Western Michigan named Greg Jennings. He's already pretty much earned the #3 WR role ahead of Boerigter and Gardner. He'll also make a serious push for the #2 spot currently held by Ferguson. He can play any of the WR positions, has great hands, and is a playmaker. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by junkyardjake on Aug 9th, 2006, 8:23am on 08/08/06 at 23:02:42, DirkDiggler wrote:
I agree, that was a great call Mr. Philly, I remember you mentioned him about a month ago, and that was the first I heard of him too. on 08/09/06 at 07:52:57, Philly wrote:
I believe you are correct there too, all Mike Bell is going to do is further confuse the Denver RB situation, making them all bad fantasy picks. The other truism is that Tatum Bell is still the best RB Denver has, and everybody knows it except for Mike Shanahan. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 9th, 2006, 4:36pm Given the little tiff here yesterday between Jeff [smiley=sumo.gif] and a VERY WEARY [smiley=tired.gif] Steg, [smiley=builder.gif] whose sensitivity meter was about as high as it ever has been and, hence, whose [smiley=dick.jpg]-edness was evidenced, [smiley=awwgee.gif] ... [smiley=letsmakeup.gif] I thought there was no more apropos place for this than RIGHT HERE,... just to show how wrong I have been about the Broncos backfield... with no help from Coach [smiley=frank.gif] Shanahan, mind you... [smiley=scream.gif] ... [smiley=scared.gif] ... ;) Even with all of my LOVE [smiley=smitten.gif] for Ron Dayne, early on last offseason/preseason, my money was on, if yous recall, Maurice Clarett... Yous know... This guy: Police use Mace on Clarett, arrest him after chase (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2544230&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines) ESPN: NFL (09.08.2006 09:30) Maurice Clarett was arrested early Wednesday after a highway chase that ended with police using Mace on him and finding four loaded guns in his truck, police said. And, that's not to mention that I followed that stellar pick up by then going on to rank Mike Anderson the #3 Broncos fantasy tailback. :-X ... [smiley=blush.gif] Thank God I stayed put on Tatum Bell, and left him #2. It seems like I got that down. [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] TWO thumbs up for (likely) nailing the Broncos number TWO tailback TWO years in a row... [smiley=whistle.gif] ... ;) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 10th, 2006, 3:55am on 08/09/06 at 07:52:57, Philly wrote:
[smiley=yes.gif] [smiley=bullseye.gif] Given the trade proposal FFXtreme Smit offered me in JYJ's league, I had to do a little pokin' around... From the OFFICIAL site on "The REAL Feed", here is a quote from Camp Day 12 Report (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5828): "The offense tried two hook-and-laterals when simulating end-game situations Wednesday afternoon, but one ended in a Mike Bell fumble that Louis Green recovered." The other side of things [smiley=doseofreality.gif] that is being quieted right now amidst all the hype. In news on the other side of the ball (I suppose ;)), Courtney Brown's PREseason is over: "Brown's preseason ends with surgery (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4159043)" And, throughout ALL of the LOCAL dailies on "the Gridiron Newsstand (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)" covering the Broncos, you can read about ALL the teams that are courting disgruntled WR Ashley Lelie: Bears, Eagles, Cowboys, Falcons,... just to name the most prevalently-mentioned four. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Larsen89 on Aug 11th, 2006, 10:32am Oh how the GREAT Dayne & Tatum Bell discussion continues. [smiley=popcorn.gif] I would HAVE to agree w/this. From a New York Newspaper. NewsDay.com "The Jets continue monitoring running backs around the league. The latest indications out of Denver are that Ron Dayne would be easier to pry from the Broncos than Tatum Bell." Just find it humerous, as the Great Dayne is [smiley=pedestal.gif] here at www.fantasyfootballer.com ;D |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Tony_O on Aug 11th, 2006, 12:22pm Hey Larsen.....get ready to duck! [smiley=duel.gif] [smiley=flamewar.gif] [smiley=furious.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=gunsablazin.gif] [smiley=arguing.gif] [smiley=drown.gif] [smiley=machinegun.gif] [smiley=madashell.gif] [smiley=rifle.gif] [smiley=firinback.gif] [smiley=shitfan.gif] [smiley=wagingwar.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 12th, 2006, 1:41am A couple things needing to be noted... Tatum Bell had 15 of his yards on one unexpected up-the-gut run play at the end of the half to set up a 35-yard field goal. Mike Bell fumbled... again,... a fumble lost... My guess is that Shanny's next move will be to promote T. Bell to #1. Dayne may remain #3, however, with M. Bell manning the #2 post... for the time being. My money remains on Dayne to be the Week One starter. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 12th, 2006, 9:03pm Any of you Bronco fans get to see the game? I understand Jay Cutler was sharp. I saw a couple highlights and he looked decisive and threw the ball with authority (although they were HIlights, not LOWlights)... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 13th, 2006, 9:08pm Impressive rookie wideout done camping... [smiley=injury.gif] according to OFFICIAL sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand": "Dove Valley Dispatches - MARSHALL INJURY 'SLIGHT TEAR' OF PCL (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5780)" And, some LOCAL spin from "the Gridiron Newsstand" telling Mike Bell owners not to worry (about the fumble), in fact, pointing out comparisons between Bell's preseason fumbling woes AND Portis's: [smiley=ohshit.gif] "Rookie running back has to fix fumbling (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4174428)" On the other hand,... just to maintain some perspective amidst all the hype,... Bell did only have 20 yards on 7 rushes... The proverbial "they" can say he looked "good" all they want, but 7 for 20, a fumble lost, killing an opening drive, and NO receptions,... and all against the Lions... is what it is... We'd be crucifying Ron Dayne if it was him... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 13th, 2006, 9:43pm OK... so you got your Mike Bell rant out of the way... [smiley=shrug.gif] Any thoughts on Jay Cutler? I know he's not going to leapfrog his way into the starting role regardless of how well he plays (or how poorly Jake might play), so that's not where I'm going... But did anyone see anything that would indicate that he'd be a good option if Jake were to go down with an injury? Would he perform well as a rookie? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 14th, 2006, 4:00am It's hard to say at this point if Jay's performance against Detroit on Friday night indicates that he is the real deal or the next Eric Zeier... Let's put it this way... He surely didn't hurt himself, and if he continues to have a preseason like that, Jake's leash will have gotten relatively short even by Week One. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 16th, 2006, 9:44pm Word on Ron Dayne from "The REAL Feed" isn't promising... Turf toe may keep Broncos RB Dayne on sideline for preseason game (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/16/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.dayne.0463/index.html) SI.com: NFL (16.08.2006 21:19) Turf toes can LIIIIIIIIINNNNNNGER,... and the description of this one makes it sound SEVERE!!! :-/ |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 17th, 2006, 6:06pm LOCAL sources on "the Gridiron Newsstand" temper the negative news on Ron Dayne, things may not be as bad as that CCN/SI article made it sound; give hopeful, if not downright good news to fantasy owners with Ashley Lelie, K-Rob's mess may have Lelie heading to Minny, and tell us of BOTH of Denver's HOT quarterbacks, and we're no longer talkin' about the heat wave, and how Tatum Bell, as per my projections, remains entrenched as the #2, no matter what: "Turf toe sidelines RB Dayne (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4192736)" "Tatum still trails Mike Bell at RB (http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/broncos/article/0,1713,BDC_2453_4920558,00.html)" |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 17th, 2006, 6:28pm on 08/17/06 at 18:06:49, StegRock wrote:
I'd like to add this to (the quoted portion of) my post right above... Good news (for Steggie, at least)... I've got them both on my GBRFL roster, so one could save the other... BUT, BAD news (in general),... truth is,... I don't for one second believe that Ashley Lelie is a correct fit to replace K-Rob in Minnesota's offense. They've got their current and future stretch-the-field guy in Williamson. Lelie wouldn't compliment him AT ALL. They'd be stepping on each other's toes, figuratively... and literally. K-Rob's role is likely to be filled from within by M-Rob or Taylor. Where Lelie fits BEST is right in Denver opposite Smith/Walker... if not right away, eventually. Patience, patience, patience... Lelie's getting some REALLY BAD shortsighted advice... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 20th, 2006, 6:01pm Who'd a thunk, just two months ago, that the starting tailback for the Broncos is very possibly/probably/likely going to be Mike |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by MordecaiCourage on Aug 20th, 2006, 6:33pm on 08/20/06 at 18:01:05, StegRock wrote:
There's only one guy I know of that may have "thunk" it!!! Do I need to get you two back on those discussions?? ::) ;) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 20th, 2006, 6:44pm Well, not two months ago,... not even our grand [smiley=wizard.gif] wizard of all things rookie, Philster, quite saw that coming... :-X |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 20th, 2006, 10:06pm For what it's worth... and probably not worth a whole lot... On another website (a non-fantasy site) some people made some predictions about who the top NFL rookies at each position in 2006 would be. While I said that Addai would be the best in 2006, I did add a caveat regarding a certain sleeper RB in Denver. (And that was THREE months ago...) I also added a caveat regarding a certain sleeper TE in Denver as well... LINK (http://condraft.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=5327) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 20th, 2006, 10:46pm on 08/20/06 at 22:06:03, Philly wrote:
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 21st, 2006, 10:47pm Cutler bandwagoners need to take a step back and... take it in and... give the "other" guy his due... From "The REAL Feed": Plummer quietly having good camp (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/20/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.plummer.0625/index.html) SI.com: NFL (21.08.2006 03:08) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 21st, 2006, 11:19pm on 08/21/06 at 22:47:37, StegRock wrote:
Yep... looks like the Broncs are set at QB now and for the future. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 22nd, 2006, 8:50am Can one of you Denverers shed some light on the TE sitch? Obviously Steg is a big Stephen Alexander proponent. I keep reading about Nate Jackson in the media as the leading candidate. And I think Tony Scheffler could be the top guy sooner than later. What's the real deal? |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 22nd, 2006, 3:56pm Well, here's my spin for '06 (not beyond). IF Denver produces a "fantasy-relevant" tight-end this year, it will be Stephen Alexander. If he does not succeed in making himself "fantasy-relevant", we will end up with a "fantasy" TEBC. Each will water down the other's numbers. Make no mistakes, while the two young guns have shown to be quite good receivers, it is Alexander who is by pretty far the best blocker of the three, and that will keep him on the field in Denver's run-first offense. It will also, incidentally, make it more unexpected when they pass to him as opposed to when the youngins come in, which will probably be a bit of a tip off that the Broncos are passing (with a TE as the first read). As for the youngins, Jeff, Tony Scheffler and (versus) Nate Jackson, they sure give the Donkos a great outlook on the future. BUT, I would say that anybody who claims to have a bead on who's Denver's future at the position at this point, is just throwin' (one of their many) darts in the dark so that they can say, "I told you so," if it happens to be the their guy. I mean if you throw enough shit against the wall, some of it is going to stick while the VAST majority of it falls off or slimes down. Great word is coming out of camp on them both, and they are both performing very well in preseason action. But, do remember that that latter part is a bit "hyperbolized" right now in the sense that they are primarily succeeding with 2nd-string Jay Cutler, who, during practice, is used to passing to the two "2nd-stringers" (and not Alexander). |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 23rd, 2006, 2:10am Lelie dealt (with)... according to "The REAL Feed": Falcons trade Duckett to Redskins, get Lelie from Denver (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/22/2020.ap.fbn.three.team.trade.3rd.ld.writethru.0928/index.html) SI.com: NFL (23.08.2006 01:10) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 23rd, 2006, 3:40am NEW FF-specific Broncos team report up... based on this latest news... http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/broncos/broncos-footballinfoframes.htm. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 28th, 2006, 2:05am From "the Gridiron Newsstand",... how about this quote from the Rocky Mountain News? ... It regards Cedric Cobbs 4th-quarter, 26-yard TD run last night,... that it goes toward... "...further muddying Ron Dayne's chances of making the Broncos after opening camp as the starting tailback." WTF??? [smiley=uh.gif] Here's a link to the piece: "Broncos edge Texans (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4949874,00.html)" By the way, Dayne was in street clothes for the game. I guess his turf toe wasn't quite ready even though he practiced pretty much all week. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by cwhams on Aug 28th, 2006, 6:33pm I've heard a few comments that Dayne may not even make the team. Have you been hearing any of that kind of noise elsewhere...Tatem Bell still pretty much #2 behind Mike Bell...understand that water in Denver gets tougher to see with every preseason game. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 29th, 2006, 6:28am Well, here's a piece off "The REAL Feed" regarding the mess: Broncos running game still a mystery (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/08/28/2020.ap.fbn.broncos.rbs.0781/index.html) SI.com: NFL (28.08.2006 17:36) |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by PrimeTime on Aug 29th, 2006, 10:52pm I just gotta believe that Tatum Bell ends up AT WORST number #2 here. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tatum and Mike be #1 and #1A taking turns leading the rushing attack week to week. A nice situation for Denver, but not so nice for us Fantasy players. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 30th, 2006, 12:13am on 08/29/06 at 22:52:13, PrimeTime wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with that. I see both Bells with similar stats (Mike a couple more TDs, Tatum a few more yards) at year-end, with anyone else an afterthought. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 30th, 2006, 5:25am Well, all I'm going to say is don't count those chickens too fast before they hatch... From the OFFICIAL site and the Colorado LOCAL dailies available on "the Gridiron Newsstand": "Notebook: The Game's Afoot - Competition for No. 1 RB Slot Still Wide Open (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5891)" "No sign of battle for RB tailing off (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4257911)" "Broncos backs will get one more shot to earn No. 1 spot (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4955464,00.html)" "Broncos ran into trouble in game against Texans (http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/broncos/article/0,1713,BDC_2453_4953160,00.html)" "Lincicome: Rushing recipe has a flavor like no other (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_4955258,00.html)" And, with Shanahan, this is NOT coach-speak... As for what I think,... besides Nash, whose current injury that is causing him to sit out will only make more certain the inevitability of his getting cut, I think any of the other four could end up being the Broncos (fantasy) factor back this year. In order, Mike Bell, Ron Dayne, Cedric Cobbs and Tatum Bell, but, on the other hand, I think it is T. Bell whose position in the offense is most "solidified". I just do not think Tatum Bell will ever be anything more with the Broncos than a, granted often-used, #2. Ron Dayne's untimely injury is what screwed him up here. As for Dayne or Cobbs, though, one of them may not even make the team. But, with Domanick Davis's injury sitch, don't be surprised if whoever it is that gets cut ends up being the man in Houston, and, actually, don't be totally surprised if that ends up being Tatum Bell by way of a trade. |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Aug 30th, 2006, 7:07pm on 05/04/06 at 11:28:11, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Aug 31st, 2006, 6:48am Here's what we're looking at with the Broncos tonight at tailback,... and what they'll be looking at... and for... according to the LOCAL dailies available on "the Gridiron Newsstand": "Broncos tale: loose ends (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4958024,00.html)" "Broncos will test RBs against Cardinals (http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/broncos/article/0,1713,BDC_2453_4955472,00.html)" |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Philly on Aug 31st, 2006, 9:08am on 08/30/06 at 19:07:25, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
Nice call... [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Now for your next trick, give us an idea what to expect of Lelie in ATL... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Aug 31st, 2006, 12:27pm Whoa, Philly! Every squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Now I'm expected to prognosticate on his performance? :) I will give it a go... 45-55 catches - 750-850 yards - 4-6 tds (very similar to his last year) I will say this - if he and Vick can connect, I will be very wrong. Vick has never had a go-to guy in his career and Lelie has always been the deep threat, not the #1. If they both can get on the same page, if Vick can become a better passer, and if Lelie can take what he has learned from Rod Smith, he could easily be a top 15 receiver this year. Having said all that, I just don't see it. He could end up being in double-coverage for the majority of the year and I don't know if he can handle that. Plus, he hasn't had a ton of time to gel with Vick. We shall see... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Sep 1st, 2006, 2:36am Amidst, I regret to say, a TON of drivel over on the Broncos message boards, I did unearth this pithy, insightful nugget: "So he (Ron Dayne) didn't play. What does that mean exactly? Does it mean coach already knows he is going to keep him and wants his toe to continue to heal? Or does it mean he is going to cut him and if that is the case why didn't he do it Tuesday? We need a back with his size and experience." The second and third questions the chap poses there are REALLY insightful and absolutely cogent. Old Shanny just may have the last laugh... [smiley=joker.gif] Maybe, just maybe, in very traditional fashion Shanny fooled us all and DID (end up) sit(ting) all of his "regular season" starters this final game of the preseason. Okay,... it's wishful thinking, but not absolutely preposterous, at least not in the long run. [smiley=hmmmm.gif] |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by Larsen89 on Sep 2nd, 2006, 3:01pm Sorry I don't do anything fancy with the links and all..... But I can hear the thunder rooooooolllllliiiiiing now. Just seen on ESPN: Ron Dayne cut today.... Thoughts? (snicker snicker) Sorry Steg ;) :P |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by DirkDiggler on Sep 2nd, 2006, 3:24pm http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2570337 Here is the link regarding Dayne being cut. Also of note, Darrius Watts was cut. Too bad.....he was highly hyped.... |
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Title: Re: Broncos Offseason Report Post by StegRock on Sep 2nd, 2006, 7:01pm I REALLY do feel terrible about this one... I was REALLY rooting for Ron... and not just as a player, but as a person. Despite ALL the HARSH words people have spoken/speak about him, I have only witnessed a very soft-spoken, well-mannered, stand-up, and, most impressive in this day and age, HUMBLE young man. I was especially touched by how he acted after winning the MVP on Thanksgiving Day last year. [smiley=touching.gif] You could tell he was a good guy. But, ultimately I've been on Ron's side from day one (though, to my shagrin, I did get off the (band)wagon (if you can call it that) for a short period of time when Shanny made his move for Clarett last year). In any event, I was looking forward to his finally claiming his stake in the league, and I was REALLY looking forward to his doing so as a Bronco. That is not going to happen, and, as such, I am (orange) crushed. Really, when I woke up and first saw his being cut here this morning (my time), though I pretty much knew it was coming, I quickly got a lump in my throat and felt pressure in my eyes. :'( I do, however, think that he will land on his feet elsewhere, and I think that elsewhere will be in Houston where they have just confirmed the loss of Domanick Davis for the season (and maybe for good (weird express there, huh? ... Should be for the "bad", no?)). I, for one, pray [smiley=pray.gif] for him that he finds success somewhere before it's all said and done. I just like the kid... the man, and I will be rooting for him in whatever uniform he wears. This time I REALLY am SORRY I got this one wrong (for yous). :-[ |
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