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(Message started by: StegRock on Sep 3rd, 2006, 7:40pm)
Title: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 3rd, 2006, 7:40pm
JONES NAMED STARTER AT TAILBACK!!!  From "The REAL Feed":

Jones the starter at RB for Bears (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/09/03/2020.ap.fbn.bears.jones.0271/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (03.09.2006 19:10)

Barring injury, this will be interesting to watch ALL season!!!
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by cwhams on Sep 4th, 2006, 4:25pm
[smiley=deadhorse.gif] Damn!  I hate it when I'm right.  Thomas Jones will start until he gets hurt for the rest of the season...Benson will continue to get every chance in the book to prove himself on the field of play...this, as it should be. [smiley=coach.gif]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Walker Boh on Sep 4th, 2006, 11:24pm
Check out my Week One Outlook!

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/bears/bears-footballinfoframes.htm
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 5th, 2006, 5:44pm
Boh......Typical......

All I hear about is Griese should be starting, Griese is a God why isn't he the number 1.....blah blah blah, please don't get caught up in the hype. He is just another average QB. He put up big numbers in the preseason against rookies and guys trying to hold onto a job. Griese is a career 84 passing ranking, not the 140 he put up in the offseason in limited action against 2nd and 3rd string. Don't get me wrong Grossman is no star, but he should be and is the starting QB.

Their is a reason Griese isn't a starting QB in this league and it is because he is just average. Grossman may be just average as well, but he truly has never been tested for a full season.....this is his chance.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 12th, 2006, 8:26pm
"Can anyone explain to me why Brian Griese is not the #1 QB? In my eyes he clearly outplayed Rex Grossman, and deserves the starting nod." this quote was brought to you by Walker Boh in his Bears report......(sorry I don't know how to do the quote thingy) [smiley=damncomputer.gif]


So called "expert"


Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Walker Boh on Sep 13th, 2006, 12:40am

on 09/12/06 at 20:26:02, The_Dog wrote:
"Can anyone explain to me why Brian Griese is not the #1 QB? In my eyes he clearly outplayed Rex Grossman, and deserves the starting nod." this quote was brought to you by Walker Boh in his Bears report......(sorry I don't know how to do the quote thingy) [smiley=damncomputer.gif]


So called "expert"



First and foremost Dog, I want to thank you for reading my Chicago Bears Fantasy Football-specific Team Report. I put a lot of effort into writing them, and it's nice to know that you appreciate my hard work.  [smiley=bigbird.gif]

I gather from your half-assed post that you disagree with me. That's great. Care to elaborate? In fact, since you know so much, why don't you give it a shot? There are plenty of teams here at the Gridiron in need of a correspondent (or "expert" as you like to call them), and I'd love to read your brilliant insight of fantasy football. Even better, since you know so much more about the Bears then I do, I would gladly let you take over, and I'd start writing for another team. What do you say, Dog? [smiley=peedog.gif]  I seriously doubt you will take me up on this offer. No, I gather you're the type of guy that likes to sit back and rip other peoples work, yet all the while lacking the balls to put something out there himself.  :-X

As for Grossman and his AWESOME game... 262 yards, 1 TD, & 1 INT... good enough for a whopping 14 points :o in most standard scoring leagues. OUTSTANDING! How did he do it? Especially against a team with such a ferocious defense! [smiley=cheesehead.gif] He was simply INCREDIBLE!

It wasn't easy, but I did a little research and found a list of all the BIG NAME QB's that beat Grossman's UNDENIEABLE performance: Charlie Batch, Chad Pennington, Alex Smith, David Carr, Brad Johnson, and of course, the future Hall of Famer Charlie Frye. To think that Grossman actually came close to scoring more points then all of those great players is mind-blowing. [smiley=shootmyself.gif] (Just between you and me, I think some of those guys might even get claimed off the waiver wire later this week.) There were 7 other QB's that bested his performance, but who's counting, right?  [smiley=zipit.gif]

Ultimately Dog, my fantasy football writing is just a hobby... Something I do for fun. Living in the Chicago area, I'd like to think that I'm exposed to a little more Bears information than most, and if I can help someone out along the way, well that's great! And if I piss somebody off, well that's great too! I'm just a guy that likes football. I watch it on TV, listen to sports radio, read stories about it in the papers and magazines, and talk about it with my friends, just like you. I'm not an expert. I don't have any "insider's" information, just an opinion. Is that ok with you?

[smiley=dunce.gif] BTW, if you'd like to reply and quote something I've written here, simply click the (" QUOTE) icon located in the upper right hand corner of this post. Have a nice day.  [smiley=lickmyass.gif]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 13th, 2006, 5:32pm
"experts" can get so defensive.......
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by captainpurple on Sep 13th, 2006, 5:51pm

on 09/13/06 at 00:40:56, Walker Boh wrote:
[smiley=peedog.gif]  I seriously doubt you will take me up on this offer. No, I gather you're the type of guy that likes to sit back and rip other peoples work, yet all the while lacking the balls to put something out there himself.  :-X



[smiley=bullseye.gif]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 13th, 2006, 7:36pm
Purple........not on the mark.

Walker knows me and he also knows that I put myself out there with plenty of crazy predictions throughout the year......do I do it in writing on this site???? Not really, I am just a casual observer of this site and enjoy messing with my buddy boh. His message was messing with me just like I was messing with him, he will tell you that he respects my fantasy abilties as I do his.

Do you want some predictions? I can give you loads of them, since this is the Bears site I will throw some out there and we will see what sticks.

Pure Stats
QB
Rex Grossman    230 ypg 28 td 14 int
Brian Griese         10ypg  0 td  1 int
RB
Cedric Benson    850 yards 6 td
Thomas Jones    825 yards 5 td
WR
Mushin Muhammed    75 catches  1050 yards 7 td
Bernard Berrian          45 catches    750 yards  6 td
Desmond Clark           52 catches     700 yards  7 td ****
Kicker
Robbie Gould        27-32 field goals  

11-5 and will lose in the NFC Championship

Maybe I will do the ViQueens next
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Walker Boh on Sep 16th, 2006, 12:01pm
Check out my Week Two Outlook!

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/bears/bears-footballinfoframes.htm
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 17th, 2006, 10:58pm
"experts"

Is 4 TDs enough for you to eat crow?
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 17th, 2006, 11:43pm

on 09/17/06 at 22:58:46, The_Dog wrote:
"experts"

Is 4 TDs enough for you to eat crow?


[offtopic][smiley=dog.gif], I think what's at issue here is that this guy's putting his "neck" on the line and busting his balls for the site and he doesn't need 'em busted by yet someone else because they "got him" on this "one".  I mean it's easy for the turtles to cast stones with their necks shriveled up in their shells,... and, no, making some "pompous" post here on this thread doesn't really count as sticking out your neck.  It's already in the context of dishing out 'tude to a dude who's opinion you know (at least only to the degree that you do here) only because he's contributing it as a "staff writer" on the site.  I mean... that's what's lame about the proverbial "peanut gallery".  You have nothing to lose.  Outside of you and maybe the guy you're debating with, no one's really paying much attention, and, furthermore, the guy writing official REPORTS for the site is probably too busy writing his next report to continue getting into it with the peanut gallery.  I mean it's one thing to counter a position.  It's a whole nother to act like an asshole about it and throw it back in his face.  Meanwhile, we're only two weeks in and the Bears haven't really played anyone really solid yet.  The jury is still out on this... though, granted, at this point you have a substantial lead.  Need we put some of your fantasy exploits on the table and make you eat "crow", Mr. Tuiasosopo? ;) Fuckin' YIKES,... but I've let you off the hook and let this go looooong ago, but that fuckin' was ABSOLUTELY retarded beyond excuse!!!  Shall we keep a thread tracking "The_Dog" in the CBFL this year?  Point being, [smiley=dog.gif],... I mean... your taunting Jamo about the "experts" thing is insulting... TO ME.  All these people are are volunteer writers contributing something of great value to this site (and are setting themselves up, perhaps, for jobs someday; NO, not because they are (self-proclaimed) "experts", but because they are giving it up for me and, IN FACT, putting themselves in that position, so when his face is in the magazine someday, it's not because he was some "expert" with an "in"; he and whoever else EARNED IT... by not just remaining in the peanut gallery where everybody "sits back" and complains about the "experts" and wonder why their takes deserve special attention (maybe it's because they believed, worked hard, positioned themselves accordingly and EARNED IT)).  That having been said, I too am not a big fan of these self-proclaimed FF "experts", mind you, [smiley=dog.gif].  HE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF AN EXPERT, though!  BUT, he has earned/is earning his "keep" around here by taking the bull by the horns and being a "STAFF WRITER" FOR the site, authoring well-thought-out reports for a team that's not even his favorite team and, more importantly, "authoring" his "status" on this site,... :-/ NOT as "expert" as you've dubbed him, but as BIG-time contributor to the site and HELPER!!!  Life is not so much about making people eat crow as it is stepping up to the plate when the opportunity presents itself!!! [smiley=zenmaster.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 18th, 2006, 12:32am
you are all so serious.........it is kinda cute.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Takamine305 on Sep 18th, 2006, 12:43pm
I will have to somewhat agree with both sides of this spectrum.  I think that if you are willing to somewhat put yourself on the line and write a report that you should be ready to take the heat when you are incorrect.  IMO that should be part of the whole experience.  Fantasy Football is a lot of trash talk and if either party starts taking what is said personally then, well, they have no business in Fantasy Football.  Even the guys doing the pre/post game talkshows talk HUGE smack to each other...It's quite simply what is done.  I have definetly noticed that on this site people are too easily offended by what someone might say about their picks or their "boys".  GET OVER IT!!  I also think it's completely out of line to start calling people names?!?!  What is the point of that?!?!?  I mean come on, aren't we all a little more grown up on this site?!?!?

As for the "expert" comments.  I don't know that anyone has labeled themselves an "expert" anywhere on this site.    Well, i suppose the creation of Steg's Picks somewhat puts him into a class above most of us on here since he is getting $ for those picks.  (whether they are good or not)  ;)  

Here we go........bring on the punishment for this post.  lol
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Philly on Sep 18th, 2006, 1:20pm
I think Takamine nailed a couple of points here.  First off, anyone who makes predictions should be prepared for criticism if the predictions are off base (no matter how well-intentioned they were). Because of this, I think people need to develop some thick skin and see the criticisms as a challenge to do better next time. Over the long haul, we're all going to miss the mark about half the time.

Also, when the criticism starts getting personal, then it's crossed the line. If people have to resort to insults and personal attacks, then it's clearly a reflection upon their own lack of self-esteem and maturity.

As for the self-proclaimed "experts" on the site... I only know of one expert here, and that's me.  ::)   ;)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by DB on Sep 18th, 2006, 5:34pm
The point is that Grossman should get a ton of credit for having a very good showing in week 1 and a great performance in week 2.  While the Packers and Lions aren't elite defenses, they are not the worst either.  Neither team was smoked by there other game.

Forgeting what was written here, every "expert" had Greise starting by now.  The Bears stuck with Grossman who is proving (and he obviously has not proven much after two weeks) to be a good starter who spreads the ball, goes deep and has a cannon arm.  The Bears have a great team and were winning with Orton last year.  Grossman came back and only took the job back because Orton was making mistakes.  Rex is not going to have 4 TDs per game, but as long as he stays healthy and the team is winning, he is the man.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by BarnabyWilde on Sep 18th, 2006, 6:33pm

on 09/18/06 at 13:20:50, Philly wrote:
I think Takamine nailed a couple of points here.  First off, anyone who makes predictions should be prepared for criticism if the predictions are off base (no matter how well-intentioned they were). Because of this, I think people need to develop some thick skin and see the criticisms as a challenge to do better next time. Over the long haul, we're all going to miss the mark about half the time.


I hate agreeing with Jeff here, because he is never right, but come on. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.



on 09/18/06 at 13:20:50, Philly wrote:
As for the self-proclaimed "experts" on the site... I only know of one expert here, and that's me.  ::)   ;)



Stop it Jeff, this made milk come out of my nose! You're an expert all right, but what of we have not quite figured out just yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 18th, 2006, 6:39pm
The "expert" comment is more of an internal joke between Walker and I......nuf said there.

You guys did nail it though in the fact that if you are posting your opinion for the world to see you better be ready to hear about people that don't agree with you and also be willing to take it when they nail you to the wall when you were wrong.

Anyways I backed Grossman before the season even began on this website....this very thread and called Boh out before the first game....I called him out again after the first game, and he fired back....then after the second game I asked him to eat crow. There is nothing wrong with any of that.....I put myself out there before the first game and would have been fine having darts thrown in my direction if I was wrong. If this little bit of ribbing hurts maybe it is time to go back to the peanut gallery because the more opinions you put out there the more chances you have to be wrong and be taken to task when you are.

If anyone can handle it I know Walker can....he does a good job and I consider him a friend (just not a very good judge of QB).

Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by cwhams on Sep 18th, 2006, 10:38pm
[smiley=bonghit.gif]  Geeeeze guys, I'm liking the controversy, it's what makes these sites interesting.  [smiley=christmascheer.gif]

Steg your loyalty to the staff writer is great to see and much appreciated, I'm sure!!!!  I know I appreciate it, though it may be, perhaps, a bit misplaced.  You are the kind of guy, I want to go to war with and have at my back side!  [smiley=commander.gif]

Truth is, if you want a job in journalism, you best develop thick skin, while at the same time sticking your neck out knowing it will be looped off.  Further I've never met a "true" fan that did'nt have a pocket full of opinions as to how to run the team.  I know I'm one.

Arguing back and forth is half the fun!  Let's not run anyone off the site...Especially not the DAWG...I have not yet got to gig him about the number of points Rackers vs. Tu poop so...just yet.  :'(

Controversy does bring readers and readers bring members to the site ='s potential $$$$$$$$$$$...keep it up...just let's not take ourselfs to seriously. [smiley=itllbeok.gif]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 18th, 2006, 10:55pm

on 09/18/06 at 22:38:37, cwhams wrote:
...you best develop thick skin, while at the same time sticking your neck out knowing it will be looped off.  ...  Let's not run anyone off the site...


Doesn't that cut both ways, though, cw???  He shouldn't "feel" like he's being "run off the site".  And, if he were to (which he's not; that's evidenced by his rather long history here and his other posts right here above),... well,... what would that say???  Perhaps that would indicate that he's too thin-skinned... [smiley=uh.gif] ... ;) (which I don't think he is, mind you).  ...  It all just is what it is!!!  It's all good (enough).


Quote:
keep it up...just let's not take ourselfs to seriously.


I, personally, live by the "opposite", so to speak, of this adage,... by a more active, "look at myself and how I treat others in the mirror" version... if you follow...???
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Walker Boh on Sep 19th, 2006, 9:00pm
Wow, it's nice to see the thread taking so many hits [smiley=boxer.gif], I just wish it was more football related. I suppose a lot of it is my fault.  Now that I look back at it, I could have handled things a lot better, but I let The_Dog's "expert" comment get to me, and gave him a piece of my mind. [smiley=fumin.gif] You see, The_Dog and I work together, and we talk (more like argue) about sports every day. He read my Week One Outlook on the Grossman/Griese debate, and made it known that he thought otherwise. He said that I was getting "caught up in the hype", and affirmed his belief in Grossman as the starter. Fine. So far, so good. Then after week one, he (in my opinion) hit below the belt with his "expert" comment. If it were from someone else, it would not have struck the chord that it did, but it was from The_Dog, and I knew it was written to piss me off, and it did. I would have preferred him to respond the way he does in person, with an argument based on opinions and stats, not that one lined dribble, designed to make me look bad in front of the Gridiron gang. Now I have no problem eating crow, but let me eat it with dignity. That being said, I should have let him take his shot and moved on... oh well, next time.

Now for some clarification (and back-tracking  ;))... I never said Grossman was a bad QB, or would never be good. I just said that Griese earned and deserved the right to start, while Grossman did not. Now Rex is off to a great start, better then anyone (even [smiley=dog.gif]) could have imagined, but that doesn't change the fact that he had a horrible preseason, and was outplayed by Griese. And who's to say that Griese's numbers wouldn't have been better if given the chance? The chance that he earned and deserved.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 19th, 2006, 10:59pm
You sound like Roy Williams........Could have Should have Would have.......You may win Mike and Mike's award next Tuesday morning
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Walker Boh on Sep 20th, 2006, 11:59pm
Take a look at my Week Three Outlook!

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/bears/bears-footballinfoframes.htm
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 21st, 2006, 7:27am
Did it taste good or bitter?


I would watch for Jones and possibly even Cedric both to have big games and Mr. Grossman to take a back seat with just a ho hum day in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 21st, 2006, 6:39pm
[offtopic]http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/standings.htm...


on 09/21/06 at 07:27:55, The_Dog wrote:
Did it taste good or bitter?


As "wrong" [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] as Jamo was regarding Griese over Grossman thus far, it really is in a way still "ultimately" pending, AND, in any event, he wasn't NEARLY as wrong as you were about Marques Tuiasosopo, which you fought with us tooth-and-nail about, and Aaron Brooks, for that matter (and, as is "evidenced", some other stuff, but we'll just leave it at that).  How's your crow tastin'? ;)[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 21st, 2006, 10:30pm
hey sweetheart this is the Bears thread, keep your Raiders talk elsewhere......what are you, a rookie????

But since you brought it up, I guess my 15th pick in the 16 round draft was the worst pick I have ever heard of......oh wait this is a crystal ball league, what happens in week one and two doesn't really matter, no need to eat crow yet unlike walker......didn't you tell me I should have drafted Billy Volek????? Maybe you should belly up to the table, how do you want your crow done?
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Callie on Sep 21st, 2006, 11:01pm

on 09/21/06 at 07:27:55, The_Dog wrote:
I would watch for Jones and possibly even Cedric both to have big games and Mr. Grossman to take a back seat with just a ho hum day in Minnesota.


Aside from all the trash talk, I agree that the Minny secondary (and their dome crowd) will slow down the Bears' passing game and send things to the run, which the Bears do well thank you very much.  The Vikes' run D isn't bad, just not great.  And I think that Jones will be the man.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 22nd, 2006, 7:04am
[offtopic][smiley=dog.gif], the fact that you bring up my recommending Volek (who, still, though not a good pick-up, does become the Chargers' immediate #2, which is still better than the (at best) #3 guy you got) three months ago is going to be my case in point here.  It's really uncanny.  At that time, way back, what ended up transpiring with Volek was not foreseeable.  That's bad enough, granted.  BUT, the point is that AT THE TIME what happened with Tuiasosopo was foreseeable,... hell,... the transition to Walter was in process.  I mean Andrew Walter wouldn't have been a good pick, either, but Tuiasosopo...  And, mind you, it was only me who mentioned Volek (who, again, is still a better get than Tuiasosopo).  Others were mentioning Alex Smith, Frye and Losman, and Pennington was still available.  HELL,... let's set the record absolutely straight here (and give this digression some relevance to this thread),... EVEN YOU YOURSELF MENTIONED THE "NOW"-VAUNTED REX GROSSMAN... as not being a good fit for your team (at least, not as good as Marques Tuiasosopo, who it seemed like you were the only person in the world who didn't know was no longer their #2).  Yet, you go on divvying out the crow.  But, we all know you got a HEAPING serving comin', so..., but I'll come back to that (ill reality) in just a bit.

Now, I'm surely not one to talk about not getting on people's asses or calling people on the carpet.  I do so all the time.  I'm doing so right now.  But, if you are really keenly aware and paying attention to things around here, you will notice that I rarely do the "eat crow" thing (I typically do so only in retaliation or if I've been pushed big-time or in the unusual case that it's particularly poignant).  (I digress... from this digression...  In fact, I am typically quite pro people pattin' themselves on the back when they make a good call.)  I don't take the "eat crow" tack, quite frankly, because, as your post suggests, there is ALWAYS enough crow to go around.  Now, from what I can tell, [smiley=dog.gif], I take it that that's probably precisely why you do do it.  It's all just in fun.  But, that's not totally true.  We've seen your serious side, and we've seen you not admit defeat (you still haven't regarding Tuiasosopo), but you insist that everybody else eat their crow... that you're serving up.  So, it's all fun and games when you are serving it up, but when it's your crow to eat, you're in no rush.  But, whatever, I'm a bit off-point...  There's always a ton of crow to be eaten by all parties.  What sucks, though, about the "eat crow" tack is that the "crow" that the loudmouths divvy out is not necessarily commensurate with the crow all parties involved have built up.  I.e., the public divvying out of the crow doesn't really go according to the actual total crow that each person has built up, but rather according to the loudness/incessantness of the loudmouths, whose own built-up crow gets obfuscated by announcing others' and by the fact that others, more generous, may not be making them step up to their plates with such vigor... because maybe they aren't as focused on going around and making people eat crow as they are in making a "positive contribution".  This actually provides me a perfect segue to the first of two particular unsavory characteristics of the "eat crow" tack.  The first is that it makes for an irresponsive attitude.  Using [smiley=dog.gif]'s post above as a case in point, he, once again, pushes his own HEAPING plate of crow to the side, probably delaying it in the hopes that somehow he still turns out to be right, by serving me a spoonful, which I should eat now like Jamie should eat his.  I mean, at least, to the degree that at this point Jamie and I should be eating crow regarding Griese and Volek, respectively, so should Doggy, surely, for his "transgressions".  But, the "eat crow" tack allows people to deflect responsibility and not "respond"... by just giving them the out of pointing to others' crow,... which, of course, we all have at least some of.  But, no, I guess Doggy gets to wait until everything plays out for the season to eat his crow while we have to now.  It's all fuckin' lame, and in that way the "eat crow" tack gets us away from "substance" and into bullshit.  Secondly, as per my intimation above about the HEAPING serving Doggy has comin', there is something mean-spirited about the "eat crow" tack.  What?  I'm (potentially) going to wait until the end of the season when Doggy likely receives his pink slip in the CBFL to quote all the shit that he has written and throw it in BIG way back in his face come Christmastime.  Gee, that's great!  Merry fuckin' Christmas, asshole! [smiley=santa.gif] Take this!  And, make sure to make a holiday donation on the way out, moron!  I mean that's what he's leaving me/us with.  But, boy, is that angst-filled and mean-spirited!  Let it all build up, because you know he won't eat it until the very last moment (even though he want others to eat it now), and suffocate him with it ALL in the end.  But, we all know that doesn't work anyway.  That final coup de grace, at a time when things on the site start quieting down, doesn't really, substantively mitigate that incessant chirping of the "eat crow" loudmouth ALL YEAR LONG.  The point, in any event, is that the "eat crow" tack makes for a (worn-in) negative vibe (which wears on the members and wears out a site).

But, in any event, how about some love for your friend?  You're fast to feed Jamo his crow, but where are the back-pats?  The #2 girlfriend in my life... after my wife Gino,... my "main" college sweetheart, Amy, once commented to me about a person I considered one of my best friends, saying, "How can you call him one of your best friends with the way he generally treats you?  He's basically always busting your chops and taking the wind out of your sails.  What does he do to show his friendship?  Where is the support a true friend is supposed to show?  How is it that he's one of your best friends?"  It impacted me,... obviously,... here I am quoting it today,... 14 or so years later, a lifetime ago.  I mean even this recent post of yours, Doggy, predicting Grossman, Jones and Benson this weekend, which in and of itself is cool,... but in (the) context (you've created here), is kind of uncool.  Here, your friend Jamie is doing something he's proud of.  He's no dummy and he's trying his best and, in any event, making a good contribution to the site in just trying, and here you are bustin' his balls and "dogging" him on Grossman versus Griese after posters like DB (who, to put his commentary above in context, quite the contrary to Doggy's passing up on Grossman in the CBFL (convoluted reasoning aside), has stuck by Grossman THE WHOLE TIME in the GBRFL, having him on his roster and not being willing to give me what I wanted for Griese) have already pointed out mitigating factors, and making your own predictions, which for all intents and purposes comes off as though you're trying to upstage him.  I mean you were a run-of-the-mill semi-frequent poster in the past.  But, of all a sudden, now, Jamo's become our official Bears correspondent, and you've become like his shadow, kicking him in the ass, and our unofficial Bears correspondent.  Don't you know that that takes the wind out of a person's sails!  Not the whole thing, of course, but a piece of it gets ruined,... especially when it's coming from a FRIEND.

You seem to have a lot of time and energy to spend on (this) bullshit...  Why not divert it to something productive (and enlightening)?  I mean, frankly speaking, [smiley=dog.gif], by and large you know your stuff and your insights are solid, well-informed and well-grounded and that shows (in circumstances where you are OBJECTIVELY involved; when you're subjectively involved, it doesn't).  We've got 11 teams still needing to be covered.  Why not step up to the plate and take on one of them instead of doing "this",... making people, your friend no less, "eat crow", shadowing him and taking the wind out of his sails even if just very slightly, and defending the indefensible, the drafting of Marques Tuiasosopo and deflecting attention away from your last place position in the CBFL?

That all segues me perfectly into my final point...  Many of you, like here, like to throw around the word "public" to describe this place (at certain "fitting" times).  That's true in one sense, and it's not in another.  This place is public and at the same time not.  The fact is the MASSES really have yet to arrive, and, as such, we have the unique opportunity to make something "different" out of this place,... namely, not a drivel-filled, mean-spirited, irresponsive, "eat crow" environment of one-line, no-substance crap.  We have the opportunity here to lay down a solid, friendly foundation.  That doesn't mean we can't trash-talk ever, but, there are places for that, typically on the league boards or league-related threads, and it doesn't mean that we have to be a bunch of feel-good PC fruitballs.  It just means that our harsh commentary should be "thoughtful" (in BOTH senses of the word).  We can be hardcore, but we can be respectful about it, and (the philosopher in me believes that) part of being respectful is to be thorough in your thinking and treatment of a person. [smiley=zenmaster.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 22nd, 2006, 7:43am
If we must again bring this up......

The whole Tuiasosopo arguement was that he wasn't the worst pick in the draft (even though it was bad), I can't believe that a 3rd string QB picked in the second to last round can be the worst pick whoever it is. I drafted him ahead of other starters since I believe the key to the CBFL league is to have a full roster at all times.....which requires picking a back up QB, which I also did the prior year. I was all set to pick Matt Leinhart(Since Warner is my #1 QB), but he was stolen from me so with little research I jumped the gun on Tuiasosopo.....damn that Andrew Walters......If you want to bust my balls about that go ahead, I deserve it......I like mine with alittle Ketchup please. But it is still not the worse pick in the draft and even if he doesn't see the field I still will argue that Neil Rackers in the 5th round is much much worse and that was my arguement.

As far as questioning my freindships.......I have asked Walker on a couple of occassions if he is cool with the comments made on this site and he has always told me that he is fine with it......if he wasn't I would quit. Trust me the little (and I do mean asking someone to eat crow is extremely little and does not deserve the time you are devoting to it) that I give him is normally always trumped by Mr. Boh. I hear it when he beats me in fantasy football, basketball, hockey, golf , fishing, pinnocho....whatever. You can ask him about his current quest of the Josko Slam which he is considering a placement of a trouphy in his office. I take the time to ask him if he can handle the ribbing before it is dished out.....being a true man he says "bring it on".....for this reason I know HE can handle it.

We could run around in circles about this all day/week/month if you like. Can we just agree to disagree on this, or would you like to continue?
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 22nd, 2006, 8:11am
[offtopic]
on 09/22/06 at 07:43:05, The_Dog wrote:
As far as questioning my freindships.......I have asked Walker on a couple of occassions if he is cool with the comments made on this site and he has always told me that he is fine with it......if he wasn't I would quit. Trust me the little (and I do mean asking someone to eat crow is extremely little and does not deserve the time you are devoting to it) that I give him is normally always trumped by Mr. Boh. I hear it when he beats me in fantasy football, basketball, hockey, golf , fishing, pinnocho....whatever. You can ask him about his current quest of the Josko Slam which he is considering a placement of a trouphy in his office. I take the time to ask him if he can handle the ribbing before it is dished out.....being a true man he says "bring it on".....for this reason I know HE can handle it.


Just because he didn't want to be a pussy and say no when you "man-to-man", face-to-face "asked him if he could handle it" doesn't mean that you have to take him up on it,... at least not with the level of exuberance you have!  You've made it, and talking about it, what you EXCLUSIVELY do!  This discussion on this thread is ALL you do here on "the Gridiron" anymore (not that you've ever done much else, but... you, in years past, would show up here and there).  You hardly even visit other threads.


Quote:
We could run around in circles about this all day/week/month if you like. Can we just agree to disagree on this, or would you like to continue?


I don't even know what that means ("agree to disagree", not that it doesn't have it's function, but it's become the imbicile response in America when progress, usually moral, can't be made), BUT I do know it's awfully "droll"... on my site!  As if... if "I" respond and don't let YOU get the last word, "I'm" the one "continuing" things.  Let me speak for myself...  I, for one, am NOT going in circles.  I pay careful attention to what's going on and grow from it.

My response here is brief and pithy enough.  Are YOU going to "continue" (and, by the way, high-horse discussion enders like "this is my last post on this" constitute "continuing")?  And, if this does continue, which I have no problem with, but, is it going to be, here's that word again, "productive" or imbicilic?[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Philly on Sep 22nd, 2006, 11:28am
So... how about those Bears?

Anyway... back to the real topic at hand. (Could any further arguments please be moved to PMs. Arguments concerning players and such are fine, but this one has become personal and isn't appropriate here.)

Danieal Manning has been moved into the starting lineup at free safety. Manning came from a smallish college and is now the signal caller in the Bears secondary (does the FS have that responsibility in this defense?)... is this a concern or should he be just fine there?
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 22nd, 2006, 4:27pm
[offtopic]
on 09/22/06 at 11:28:54, Philly wrote:
(Could any further arguments please be moved to PMs. Arguments concerning players and such are fine, but this one has become personal and isn't appropriate here.)


Aw, Jeez...  Just what I needed to drop in for...  Spam all over my forum, which I just took 10 minutes deleting and dealing with right off the bat (and I haven't even gone over to theEnglishMaster.com yet) and this commandment.  Please do NOT tell me how to run my ship!  Although I am going to try to have this shit shifted to another thread because, as you state, it isn't "really" appropriate here (although, "technically", whatever), I didn't need this "public" reminder.  Yes, I realized it and have been thinking about ways of getting it moved, BUT, bottom line, this discussion does involve the greater "atmosphere" and "attitude" of this forum, and if I feel the need to do "my thang" on my site so as to "communicate" what I like and what I don't, I can do that wherever the hell I want.  And, by the same token, if the other party or parties want to come back at me, they must be allowed to do so right there.  That said, I am going to try to "move" this discussion.  But, when it comes to what I perceive is the greater good of the forum or just something I want to get across to folks, I can do it wherever and whenever I want.  So, next time, please don't jump the gun with "bossy" comments to me.  If you had waited a mere day, you would have probably noticed this "discussion" moved.  And, in any event, you could have taken your own advice and private-messaged The_Dog and me that comment. :-/[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Sep 22nd, 2006, 5:30pm
Mike Brown stated today that Daniel Manning will be the fastest player on the field this Sunday.

Chris Harris started all year as a rookie last year and he was a 6th round pick. Manning has looked great in the preseason and early games showing great closing speed and the ability to break up passes.......

in other words no worries.

ps Thanks for the advice I will keep my arguments off of Walker's thread
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 22nd, 2006, 8:47pm
[offtopic]
on 09/22/06 at 17:30:19, The_Dog wrote:
ps Thanks for the advice I will keep my arguments off of Walker's thread


This is where things spiral into "bullshitland".  AFTER what I write above, you post this... :-/ as if I can't see right through that lame shit.  Furthermore, besides being asinine, it's misinformed.  This is NOT "WB's" thread.  This is the Bears In-season Report thread and, as such, we are well-advised to take this little tiff elsewhere... though we don't "have to", strictly speaking, especially given the fact that at least I have made it a point to use the "offtopic" indicator for my posts here.  But, admittedly, in any case, Jeff is ultimately right.  Moving this discussion off this thread is the right thing to do.  ...  But, you see this gets further clusterfucked by the fact that I was letting Jamo announce his weekly reports here (which is what I do like done during the "offseason") instead of telling him to make a pimp thread for himself like all the other writers.  That said, WB did finally start up a pimp thread for his reports, which is located here:  http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1158964802, and quite frankly speaking that thread, on which nothing much goes on except his announcing his weekly reports, would be (have been) more suitable for this "discussion" because it's more off the beaten track, so whatever (in fact, Jamo would probably like to see it busy and getting the extra bumpage), and this "discussion" does regard his reports specifically, as opposed to being about the Bears in general.  Point being, the clusterfuck,... if that thread had been where this discussion was conducted, then Jeff would likely have not made the post he made (or, at least, he wouldn't really be in the right doing so), and Doggy wouldn't have been able to take this extra little swipe at me, and I wouldn't be posting this right now. :-/ And the beat goes on...[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by cwhams on Sep 23rd, 2006, 10:41am
:o  Anyways...I agree that the running game will rule in the Bears camp this weekend and the Grossman air show will at least come back to earth and be more average than stupendous, as it has been the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 23rd, 2006, 6:15pm
[offtopic]This should be it for "this" here.  But, as the following was inspired by what transpired here, I thought it only appropriate to post a link to it here:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;action=display;num=1159049464.

This will be well worth the read,... especially for those of you who are in for the long haul around here.[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Philly on Sep 26th, 2006, 11:03pm

on 09/22/06 at 16:27:09, StegRock wrote:
[offtopic]

Aw, Jeez...  Just what I needed to drop in for...  Spam all over my forum, which I just took 10 minutes deleting and dealing with right off the bat (and I haven't even gone over to theEnglishMaster.com yet) and this commandment.  Please do NOT tell me how to run my ship!  Although I am going to try to have this shit shifted to another thread because, as you state, it isn't "really" appropriate here (although, "technically", whatever), I didn't need this "public" reminder.  Yes, I realized it and have been thinking about ways of getting it moved, BUT, bottom line, this discussion does involve the greater "atmosphere" and "attitude" of this forum, and if I feel the need to do "my thang" on my site so as to "communicate" what I like and what I don't, I can do that wherever the hell I want.  And, by the same token, if the other party or parties want to come back at me, they must be allowed to do so right there.  That said, I am going to try to "move" this discussion.  But, when it comes to what I perceive is the greater good of the forum or just something I want to get across to folks, I can do it wherever and whenever I want.  So, next time, please don't jump the gun with "bossy" comments to me.  If you had waited a mere day, you would have probably noticed this "discussion" moved.  And, in any event, you could have taken your own advice and private-messaged The_Dog and me that comment. :-/[/offtopic]


[smiley=worship.gif] [smiley=spock.jpg]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Sep 27th, 2006, 6:27am
More scuffles with the law...  From "The REAL Feed":

Bears' Manning Jr. pleads no contest in assault case (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4042216.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (27.09.2006 02:31)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 18th, 2006, 6:54pm
D takes HUGE hit...  From "The REAL Feed":

BEARS' BROWN OUT INDEFINITELY (http://www.sportinglife.com/nfl/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/06/10/18/GRIDIRON_USA-Chicago_Brown.html)
Sporting Life: NFL (18.10.2006 18:06)
Chicago's starting safety Mike Brown is out indefinitely after undergoing foot surgery..

Will it really matter, at least fantasy-wise, with this D???  I'm thinkin' not!
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 20th, 2006, 2:56am
That's it for Mike Brown...  From "The REAL Feed":

Bears put Mike Brown on IR, ending his season (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/10/19/2020.ap.fbn.bears.brown.1st.ld.writethru.0557/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (19.10.2006 19:03)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 25th, 2006, 6:02am
Scheduling change to make note of...  From "The REAL Feed":

NFL Alters Schedule (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102401160.html)
Washington Post: Sports (25.10.2006 04:12)
The NFL, using its new flexible-scheduling plan, moves a Nov. 12 game between the Bears and New York Giants from 1 to 8:15 p.m.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 26th, 2006, 4:22am
Rhetoric from off "The REAL Feed" that seems to suit where this thread "has been":

Topic: Is Bears' Grossman for real? (http://www.startribune.com/503/story/766305.html)
StarTribune: Sports (25.10.2006 18:33)
RICH TAMBLYN ABILENE, TEXAS

Not sold yet on Rex Grossman

"Sports talk radio, who is my caller?"Yes, my name is Rex and I have a question. Can I really play football in the NFL without choking? I know I have thrown well this year (1,387 yards, 10 touchdowns, seven interceptions) and I have ...
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 27th, 2006, 11:48pm

on 09/21/06 at 18:39:39, StegRock wrote:
[offtopic]http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/standings.htm...


How's your crow tastin'? ;)[/offtopic]



My crow taste wonderful, how does that foot of your taste???
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 28th, 2006, 12:20am
[offtopic]I'm not happy about it, and because I can be objective and be a man about it, I can say that to the degree that I contributed to what happened, I feel bad and am very sorry (that's now the second public apology).  But, it is what it is...  If you were any type of real friend, you'd be telling Jamo that maybe he went too far and kind screwed the pooch (moreover, because I don't think it's so much me that he is angry with as much as that "baseball" situation) instead of encouraging him to "jump".  But, in any event, ALL things considered, his decision here is overkill... and a half.  But, it is what it is.  Again, if you were a real friend, you'd be encouraging him to think a little harder and make sure he wants to make this rash, ultimately by and large, irreversible move he has decided to make and throw away all the good will and good work he has built up and potential future opportunity instead of reveling in it... and making it your project to throw it in my face, which gets no one anywhere, and, furthermore, appear down on a board on which you are not really welcome and have nothing to contribute, except to make life hard for me (I wouldn't put it past you to have egged him on, in fact, though).  You are not a friend of mine.  Jamie can claim you, though, if he wants.  I have a clear vision of what happened here, and, again, I wish I had been a little more thoughtful about my post down there.  But, on the other hand, it, in and of itself, and especially ALL things considered, didn't merit his over-the-top "response".  It is what it is.  And, things will move on.  I just wish you would go away... because you are no friend of mine... and I don't think much of one to him, either, given what you've exemplified here.  Someone sent me the following graphic a bit back for just this occasion...

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/pooflinga17/trolls.jpg
[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 28th, 2006, 12:38am
He left 100% on his own accord, and after talking to him about it I am fairly certain he has no intentions of coming back. Simply the fact that you asked for his help and he came to your defense then you slapped him in the face....publicly mind you....totally classless.

You seem to have a problem with anyone on this website who doesn't take what you say as gospel. You preach life lessons to everyone, but it appears that you could learn by the attacks that you have recieved this week instead of pushing off the blame. You apologize in one sentence, but in the next you say what you feel the real problem is....and it is never you.

I never came around here to be your friend and the fact that you don't find me as one doesn't bring a tear to my eyes. The fact of the matter is that I came here as a joke about 2 years ago.......then just came back for leagues that I found myself getting involved in. I for the most part find this site humorous and like to just hang around looking to see what people are saying about anything. It is more of a force of habit than anything else. Just remember that when it comes down to it any arguement that we have had on this site had a great deal to do with you blowing things out of proportion......So I wouldn't be to quick to get upset because now you feel someone else is blowing something out of proportion.......in your opinion.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 28th, 2006, 2:59am

on 10/28/06 at 00:38:44, The_Dog wrote:
He left 100% on his own accord, and after talking to him about it I am fairly certain he has no intentions of coming back.


Sure...  But, in any event,... who cares?  The point is that you surely aren't lookin' to change that...  In fact, as I already stated,... big man that you are,... you're reveling in it...  Meanwhile, Jamo had done years of good work around here and built up a TON of good will and put himself in a position to hopefully reap benefits from that someday.  You're just sitting back, "jokin' around", reveling in the fact that you've contributed to breaking someone's dream and brought someone down to your level.  Congrats! [smiley=clap.gif] A bigger friend would put aside his thoughts about me and approach his "friend" with sober and sobering words.  Funny thing,... Jamo's leaving the same year you are... if you follow?  And, I am sure you like that... (mitigating reality).


Quote:
I never came around here to be your friend and the fact that you don't find me as one doesn't bring a tear to my eyes.


Nor would I expect it too...  After all,...

Quote:
The fact of the matter is that I came here as a joke about 2 years ago.......


Some joke,... at Jamie's expense,... not yours, right (as you've attested to)?

[smiley=wavinbye.gif]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 28th, 2006, 9:13am

on 10/28/06 at 02:59:34, StegRock wrote:
You're just sitting back, "jokin' around", reveling in the fact that you've contributed to breaking someone's dream and brought someone down to your level.  Congrats! [smiley=clap.gif]


You must not think a lot of Jamie if you think that I could make him leave this site. He didn't leave after you kicked off another friend of his in the past......a much closer friend to him than I am. And you really have no idea what our conversations were about after you stabbed him in the back. Truth be told I have been out of town and out of contact from Monday to Thursday night and didn't hear about this until Friday morning.....at which point his decision was already made.

Instead of playing the blame game maybe you should just sit back and take responsiblity for YOUR actions. Jamie loved this site and took pride in being part of what he thought could turn into something. He stuck up for you on the site and off the site and was extremely pissed off when you decided to berate him after he helped you out again. For what???? Saying that when he first meet you he thought you were a "geek".........get over it dude.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 28th, 2006, 6:14pm
Let me get my "offtopic" things workin'...

[offtopic]Let's get this straight...  This is the "berating" you are talking about it...


on 10/23/06 at 02:52:55, StegRock wrote:
Thanks for getting my back, Jamo.  But, what I've quoted here above,... Arrrgh! >:( ... ;) A geek is something I've never been, and while that doesn't stand for a row of beans to people who only know me via cyber-space and philosophy is choc-a-bloc of them, I cannot deny, (which drives me bananas) I am pretty sure you (and some of you others) know how much I hated the FFToday moniker of FF Geek and that I hate domain names like HuddleGeeks.com.  I really dislike that our hobby is tagged with the geek stigma.  Bad choice... [smiley=nownow.gif] I would have been more amenable to nerd, [smiley=nerd.gif] even... :D


"That" is the "berating" you are referring to... ::) And, while I wish, in hindsight, given the circumstances, that I would have used a little better judgment and "focused" more on his getting my back than on that peripheral aspect of what he wrote, he did, in defending me, choose to use specific terminology he knows I have a (legit of sorts) beef with.  I think that was poor judgment on his side,... but, all things considered, not as poor as my judgment.  Still, though, Jamie's reaction is an over-reaction... and some.  And, in any event, I've already apologized... THREE TIMES now.  So,... [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif],... to your "get it" and "take responsibility for your actions" comment.  I have... as regards this.  But, if you think I am now going to tear down everything I know or even just unnecessarily beat myself up and head down to Walmart and pick me up a 10-step pop-psychology, self-help set of tapes,... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] think again!  My life and this site are exactly, within flexible parameters, of course, what I want them to be.  I digress from the digression...  Though I admittedly regret my tack, it EXEMPLIFIES the fact that I don't play favorites; that I call things the way I see them regardless of the "politics" involved, which in my book counts for something... in the positive column.  Anyway, I, unlike you, as is evidenced by your posts (which exhibit an axe to grind more than anything), have a very lucid perspective on what's happened here.  Yes, I am partially to blame for my tack.  Jamo, no two ways about it, over-reacted, too, though.  I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, though, on teasing that side of the ball out because it would be to walk right into your trap.  You'd LOVE it if I expressed serious criticism of Jamie.  You'd roll around in that like a pig in swill.  But, at any rate, this gets me back around to where you are VERY misinformed/unobjective, yet again.  His over-reaction canNOT be just about that post of mine above.  Any level-headed, reasonable man would scratch his head at that, thinking, "It can't be that."  Now, you could, as you seem to be working very hard to suggest, suggest that there is "more" there Jamie was harboring.  If that's the case, though, the onus is on him to get it off his chest (at the time for better or worse, frankly speaking, like I do) and let me know.  I'm pretty sure it isn't because we shared many an hour on the phone going around on the Jimmy C. issue and getting that resolved.  In fact, I conceded on one particular point that comes to mind.  It was what it was, though.  In any event, since then, he is the person who I've spoken with more than anybody (because of his helping me with the GBRFL2).  So, if he was acting the way he was, all buddy-buddy, but harboring something against me,... YIKES!  In any event, I don't think any of that is really the case...  So, again, the reasonable, objective man asks, "What could it be?"  The answer is quite easy since it came up over there, the "baseball" issue and how that was "brought up/in" to things,... an issue which, even to right now, sans Jamie, I've taken it upon myself to re-bring up and get addressed and, in essence, get Jamo's back on.  Jamie had been expressing his frustrations and disappointment about that situation to me for months now, AND I got his "resignation" e-mail...  I know where the emphasis was...  It wasn't so much on that rather lily post of mine above...  It was on this!  My move was just the cherry on top of what he was seeing as his shit (on Jamo) sundae,... which is bad enough, mind you,... but come on.  You're the one who isn't "letting go" here,... which IS something I don't get.  Jamie's let go, quite literally.  I have, too (by, first, apologizing and, second, honoring his request to let him go "without a fight" (in both senses), so to speak, and moving on with the "business of the day").  Why are you still here going at it with me?  This is what YOU live for!?!?  It's understandable, why I am...  This IS a HUGE part of my life.  Are you waiting for someone to raise your hand in victory? ::) That would be a nice ugly [smiley=zombie.gif] piece of hardware to put on your mantle,... which, from what I can tell from what you exhibit here,... you would revel in... (the negativity of).  You don't like me.  You don't care to be liked by me.  It's all a joke to you.  What's your purpose here?  You're a consumer.  Go and find a fantasy football forum that suits you, trash-talk this one in the process, which is what people usually do when they don't like a product, and, in any case, get out of my hair.  You're like this noisy, irritating little dingleberry, who's reveling [smiley=christmascheer.gif] in a rather sad situation. [smiley=no.gif] Again, if you were any kind of real man,... regardless of your opinion of me, you would take the fact that...
on 10/28/06 at 09:13:17, The_Dog wrote:
Jamie loved this site and took pride in being part of what he thought could turn into something. He stuck up for you on the site and off the site.
...and spend the time you are here spewing the venom you are, instead, in a "real(-world)", positive, productive and efficacious way with your friend, rather than using it as mean-spirited, hurtful and malicious rhetoric against me, someone you wouldn't even know if you looked right at on the street.  Regarding that, it's not important "when" you found out (I too did not find out until Friday).  Maybe you had no part in his departure, but you surely are making no effort to aid his return,... and, in fact,... for all intents and purposes,... CONTINUE to revel [smiley=christmascheer.gif] in it. [smiley=no.gif][/offtopic]

Until you either a) exhibit something,... anything good and positive, or, at least, level-headed and reasonable (and not just a blunt axe with my name on it),... perhaps something on the side where you REALLY can make a "real", "noticable" and, gasp, positive difference, namely with Jamo, with whom, for all we can tell, you are either obviously totally ineffective or acting as an enabler and encouraging his decision (for whatever reason), or b) just go away and stop pissing in my living room,... [smiley=peedog.gif], everybody, be on alert,... please,... that we've got a grade-A troll...
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/pooflinga17/trolls.jpg
...on our hands.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 28th, 2006, 7:36pm
[offtopic]In any case,... screw all this other shit,... [smiley=dog.gif] He should, at least, be encouraged to finish out the season in the GBRFL2 and go out in style... as opposed to like this, which belies all he had established here.  After all, he is in first place.  As far as the jobs he was doing, I'm already moving on (I have to) with regards to finding people to fill in and/or coming up with better ways to go about things.  But, we all know that leaving a league mid-season is terrible fantasy football etiquette.  He can abandon me (though I will still gladly serve him as a member of the GBRFL2 for, at least, the remainder of this season), but don't abandon the league.  A friend would encourage him to cut ties with the league after the season.  A friend would be able to see that THAT is where a real, positive difference can be made.  A friend would focus his energies on that, namely his friend, and not on me.  But, the clock is running (out) on that. [smiley=ontheclock.gif] After not too much longer, we will have come up with a solution and moved on.[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 28th, 2006, 9:46pm
Don't hate on me for what you did........I really don't know how you could possibly blame me for him not coming to this website anymore. I bet him that he would return and he told me there was no chance.......If it makes you feel better to say that I am at fault for this whole thing then do it, I really don't care. If you don't want to hear from me anymore then I would strongly suggest not carrying on a conversation then and get back to berating other visitors to you website.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 28th, 2006, 10:49pm
[offtopic]
on 10/28/06 at 21:46:19, The_Dog wrote:
I really don't know how you could possibly blame me for him not coming to this website anymore. ... If it makes you feel better to say that I am at fault for this whole thing then do it,...


What the hell are you talking about?  I've GRANTED you, a couple posts ago (if for no other reason than I can't prove it), the fact that you perhaps had nothing directly to do with this mess.  ALL I'm talking about now is what you choose to do from here forward.  Did you not read my last two posts, especially the very last one?  Let me make this clear to you...  I am NOT blaming or, at least, I suspend my judgment on blaming you for, at least, being directly involved in what's transpired here.  On the other hand,... to the degree that you might have been an indirect influence, though I am going to suspend my judgment on that too, that's something you may want to "wonder about" (Is that euphemistic enough?)... or not.  I ultimately do NOT care!  And, again, for about the sixth or seventh time now (in my posts above I was forgetting the voice-messages I left him), I am sorry to Jamo (as if people ever apologize to me in this way... if at all).  Is that clear enough for you?


Quote:
If you don't want to hear from me anymore then I would strongly suggest not carrying on a conversation...


How droll?  You are LITERALLY in my "space"!  YOU are a guest on my site,... uninvited and unwelcome at this point!  I am and have been asking you to leave for some time...  What is the mechanism that impels you to stay?  Go!  Good-bye... and good riddance...  Break the (bad) habit!  Have a good life! [smiley=wavinbye.gif]

Is that clear enough?

If need be,... to get a sound, objective (kind of) viewpoint from someone who REALLY cares about you,... show this to your wife, and ask her what you should do!!![/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 28th, 2006, 11:57pm
You are asking me to leave, but honestly when is the last time I have done what you asked me to do?

Now I believe this thread is for Bears talk......lets try and keep some order to this place or I may not want to come back.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 29th, 2006, 12:50pm
[offtopic]The Dog--

Anyone that is mature enough to drop their entire fantasy football team because of a squabble should get the fuck out of here.  In Giants of the Gridiron you showed what a mature person you are by dropping your enire team because a 'difference' that you were not even involved in.  

I don't get it?  Are you 10 years old?  You sure did act that way!!  Why ruin the league for EVERYONE that was playing?

In the hobby of fantasy football, I think everyone would agree that what you did is extremely immature and one of the worst things you could do.

So as far as I am concerned (and many others I am sure), I wish you would just leave and never come back.   You now have ZERO credibility!!!

And now I bet you are the type of person that will continue to come back just to pick fights with people.  However, I encourage you to just LEAVE and not come back.  Just think before you post again.....

[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 30th, 2006, 7:24pm
You are getting half the story, and since it is not my story to tell I will leave it for others.

And honestly it all depends on where your loyalties are.......I choose a friend over a bunch of guys on the internet, who honestly run a pretty shitty league, zero activity, constant mismanagement and no communication.

The goal was to stick it to one person.....I think the goal was accomplished, you my friend were an innocent victim, but you have to break some eggs to make an omelette.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Callie on Oct 30th, 2006, 7:42pm
I have no idea what is going on among you guys, and it's none of my business.  But I respectfully request that you take this argument to another thread.  I'm here to discuss fantasy football about the Chicago Bears.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 30th, 2006, 8:45pm
Callie.....they are good.....all of them.......start everyone one of them if you have them........well except Brian Griese......experts
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 31st, 2006, 3:25am
I'm sorry, Callie... :-[
[offtopic]
on 10/30/06 at 19:24:57, The_Dog wrote:
The goal was to stick it to one person.....I think the goal was accomplished...


How so? [smiley=thinking.gif] ... [smiley=shrug.gif][/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 31st, 2006, 7:23am
In this instance you were not the one person.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 31st, 2006, 3:06pm
[offtopic]
on 10/31/06 at 07:23:58, The_Dog wrote:
In this instance you were not the one person.


I knew that...  Now,... answer the question... [smiley=ontheclock.gif]     [/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by The_Dog on Oct 31st, 2006, 5:34pm
Ask nicely and I will.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Oct 31st, 2006, 10:25pm
[offtopic]I did.[/offtopic]
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Nov 2nd, 2006, 10:25pm
Bears, looking to maintain stability on their o-line, keep center in the fold for a few more years...  From "The REAL Feed":

Bears and Kreutz agree to three-year extension (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4047453.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (02.11.2006 21:06)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Nov 5th, 2006, 2:49pm
In case you were wondering about Berrian,... in-game injury report... from "The REAL Feed":

Bears without top deep threat after Berrian knocked out (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2650574&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (05.11.2006 14:33)
Chicago Bears wide receiver Bernard Berrian left Sunday's game against the Miami Dolphins with a rib injury.
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Nov 5th, 2006, 7:35pm
Post-game injury news re: Urlacher... from "The REAL Feed":

Urlacher hurts foot against Miami (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/11/05/2020.ap.fbn.bears.urlacher.0104/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (05.11.2006 18:21)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Nov 7th, 2006, 4:24am
Linebacker wants to tough [smiley=tough.gif] it out.  We'll have to wait [smiley=impatient.gif] it out.  From "The REAL Feed":

Urlacher has sprained toe; status for Sunday uncertain (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4048088.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (06.11.2006 21:03)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Nov 22nd, 2006, 6:23pm
Bears D takes it on the chin this weekend...  From "The REAL Feed":

NFL suspends Bears' Manning for 1 game (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/2020AP_FBN_Bears_Manning.html)
Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Sports (22.11.2006 16:45)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Nov 29th, 2006, 1:51pm
It's starting to brew...  From "The REAL Feed":

Bears Not Facing QB Controversy - Yet (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4051538.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (28.11.2006 19:24)
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by Callie on Jan 21st, 2007, 6:21pm
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SUPERBOWL TIME!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bears In-season Report
Post by StegRock on Feb 4th, 2007, 8:42pm
Cedric Benson...  Knee injury...  Killin' me...  Please, I beg of you, God, don't let this be serious lest I pack it in for yet another year in the GBRFL... [smiley=pray.gif]


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