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(Message started by: StegRock on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 5:31am)

Title: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC's
Post by StegRock on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 5:31am

WR's+TE's that is, if any TE's would crack your Top 10... Mine will be forthcoming...

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by MordecaiCourage on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 3:14pm

1. Chad Johnson CIN
2. Torry Holt STL
3. Marvin Harrison IND
4. Steve Smith CAR
5. Reggie Wayne IND
6. Terrell Owens DAL
7. Roy Williams DET
8. Lee Evans BUF
9. Donald Driver GB
10. Larry Fitzgerald ARI

On the cusp:
T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN
Plaxico Burress NYG
Antonio Gates SD
Javon Walker DEN
Andre Johnson HOU

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by Philly on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 4:24pm

1. Steve Smith
2. Chad Johnson
3. Torry Holt
4. Marvin Harrison
5. Terrell Owens
6. Reggie Wayne
7. Larry Fitzgerald
8. Roy Williams
9. Anquan Boldin
10. Lee Evans

Just missed:
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson
TJ Houshmandzadeh

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by captainpurple on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 11:29pm

[smiley=bouncin.gif]
In the club:
1. S.Smith
2. Holt
3. Ocho Cinco
4. Harrison
5. Fitzgerald
6. R. Williams
7. Walker
8. T.O.
9. A. Johnson
10. Wayne

[smiley=waitinforu.gif]
on the rope line:
Boldin, Evans,Colston

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 15^th, 2007, 2:40pm

1. #85
2. Torry Holt
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Reggie Wayne
5. Steve Smith
6. T.O.
7. Roy Williams
8. Javon Walker
9. Randy Moss
10. Plax

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by StegRock on Aug 15^th, 2007, 4:32pm

These are wideout-only rankings...

1. Chad Johnson
2. Roy Williams
3. Torry Holt
4. Javon Walker
5. Steve Smith
6. Marvin Harrison
7. Larry Fitzgerald
8. Reggie Wayne
9. Anquan Boldin
10. Marques Colston

*NOTE that these are according to my 7/29 rankings.

If you want to see ALL 50 of my ranked wide receivers as well as 25 ranked tight ends and MUCH, MUCH MORE, UPDATED AS OF TODAY, 8/15, head on over to StegsList.com (http://www.stegslist.com)!!! Also, if yous haven't figured it out yet, my "current" top 2 at QB, RB and WR are always viewable in that big preview graphic at the bottom the StegsList.com (http://www.stegslist.com) home page... 8-)

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 16^th, 2007, 8:57am

1. Chad Johnson
2. Steve Smith
3. Harrison
4. Holt
5. Fitzgerald
6. Wayne
7. Roy Williams
8. Andre Johnson
9. Javon Walker
10. Lee Evans

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by steelkings on Aug 16^th, 2007, 2:48pm

Can someone explain to me why.......... CJ, Ocho Cinco, #85 or what ever you wish to call him. Why is he ranked so high on everyones list. My list will eventually be posted, but I just dont get it. I'm not even so sure he is the best reciever on that team. He's got the biggest mouth, thats for sure. This is the way I'm looking at it. The guy had 87 receptions for 1360 yards to go along with 7 TD's in 2006. Those numbers arent really exciting as they are. There even less exciting when you consider that 5 of those TD's and almost 600 of those yards came in the same three games. T.J. Hachoomanzahhaha had more receptions (90)than the "over rated one" in two less games. T.J Hachooyadayada also had 9 TD's in those two less games. What that tells me is that "The great mouth of Cincy" in 3 of the games in the 2006 season, was bad to the bone. The other 13 games he was average at best. My question to the group is : What changed to make him rank so high now? Just curious.

While I'm at it, why is T.O suddenly under the bus tires?(OK, half of you are Eagle fans. I get it!)......His numbers were similer to Johnsons last year. In my opinion he has more of an upside with an Improving Cowboys team than Johnson with a "same ole, same ole, if not worse Bengals team. How did he not crack anyones top 5 ? In fact he was left off two lists all together.

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by MordecaiCourage on Aug 16^th, 2007, 3:17pm

on 08/16/07 at 14:48:16, steelkings wrote:

You know what sk? I don't know. Call it a gut feeling for me. I had Chad, Holt, Harrison, Smith, and Wayne all about the same. They could have all been my #1. My gut said CJ. I had T.O. at #6. If you tiered those 5 WR's I mentioned and made them Tier 1, then right outside of that would have been T.O., Roy Williams, Evans, Driver, and Fitz in my Tier 2. If you look at my rankings, you'd see Housh and a host of others in my 3rd Tier. To me WR's are lumped so closely together you could make an argument for any of the Top 10 or 15 positions.
If that helps explain it..I don't know. [smiley=idontknow.gif]

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by StegRock on Aug 16^th, 2007, 4:13pm

In VERY short...

on 08/16/07 at 14:48:16, steelkings wrote:

I'm not even so sure he is the best reciever on that team. He's got the biggest mouth, thats for sure.

Well, we disagree there...

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Those numbers arent really exciting as they are. There even less exciting when you consider that 5 of those TD's and almost 600 of those yards came in the same three games.

And, you can't go picking and choosing what to count and what not to count... When you start applying that across the board, it starts falling apart. To wit,... in fact it's the only fair thing to do if you are going to take this tack,... let's take out Houshmandzadeh's top three games. It's not as big of a hit, but, then again, he didn't have as good of a season. Sometimes it just is three HUGE games that make a difference in a fantasy season and in fantasy rankings. Bottom line, you have to apply the same "rules of scrutiny" to every player. If your rule is cut out players' three top games and analyze according to what you have left, then you have to do it across the board and, then, see what you have. You don't just do it to one player. That's called propaganda.

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...an Improving Cowboys team than Johnson

We disagree, again. I think this team is going to be a mess on offense with Coach Wade at the helm and an overrated Romo over center.

Quote:

...with a "same ole, same ole, if not worse Bengals team.

...which, with Palmer at the helm, could be a good thing, mind you, for a receiver.

...

This, below, I am in absolute agreement with...

on 08/16/07 at 15:17:19, MordecaiCourage wrote:

To me WR's are lumped so closely together you could make an argument for any of the Top 10 or 15 positions.

That's why doing top 10 rankings is really more about fun than substance. While this may be the difference between a bad and good fantasy owner, the distinction between good and great fantasy owners is not made based on owners' perceptions in the top 10. It's farther out where the cream rises...

...

In any event, it would take a fortnight to really peel this onion back. As regards T.O., it would involve takes on the Cowboys as a team, Coach Wade, Terry Glenn, Hurd and Crayton, Romo, and so on. As regards C.J., it would require discussions of the Bengals as a team, what a supposedly improved Houshmandzadeh means, Henry's suspension, and so on. We could be here for the rest of our lives.

But, in any event, you, by your very own words, are the one diverging from the popular opinion here. The burden of proof/argument lies with you, my friend, not so much us. That's how argumentation typically works,... and that's why you see me arguing (in the good sense) so often around here... It's the plight of a visionary...
[smiley=zenmaster.gif] ... [smiley=threed.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by steelkings on Aug 16^th, 2007, 9:12pm

Quote:

Sometimes it just is three HUGE games that make a difference in a fantasy season and in fantasy rankings. Bottom line, you have to apply the same "rules of scrutiny" to every player.

Not the way I see it. For him to be the best RC in football, as you labeled him, he needs to be consistantly good every week.As im sure you know, when you have to choose between several players on your roster, you are going to start those who are putting up. Not those who are less than average through 9 weeks.

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That's why doing top 10 rankings is really more about fun than substance.

Thats right, they are fun. They are also fun to scrutinize. I mean come on. When you have posted a WR who had a questionable year in the past season as no# 1, it raises a brow. Even more with the division he plays in. When you have have not one, but two Arizona Cardinal recievers ahead of T.O, I'm gonna want to know what you were thinking to get there. Thats why I posed the question. Not to be a brown noser, but I find you right more than wrong. However in this regaurd, I find it a little silly.

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by rickgpin on Aug 16^th, 2007, 10:00pm

1. Chad Johnson CIN
2. Steve Smith CAR
3. Torry Holt STL
4. Reggie Wayne IND
5. Marvin Harrison IND
6. Roy Williams DET
7. Terrell Owens DAL
8. Anquan Boldin ARI
9. Lee Evans BUF
10. Donald Driver GB

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by Philly on Aug 17^th, 2007, 9:37am

on 08/16/07 at 14:48:16, steelkings wrote:

Can someone explain to me why.......... CJ, Ocho Cinco, #85 or what ever you wish to call him.

I debated between him and Smith for the #1 spot. I chose not to be objective and put Smith #1 because I own him in the GBRFL2, so I wanted to feel better about him. Had I been objective, I may have chosen to put Ocho Cinco #1. He had a downish year last year (by elite receiver standards), but keep in mind that he was playing with a skittish Carson Palmer early and he was also facing increased scrutiny from the league concerning the fun we was having.

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He's got the biggest mouth, thats for sure.

I guess he turns some people off, but it's one of the things I love about him. He just makes the game fun.

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While I'm at it, why is T.O suddenly under the bus tires?(OK, half of you are Eagle fans. I get it!)......

I might be the biggest Eagles fan here and I have TO ranked #5 overall. I don't see how that is throwing him to the street...? I just don't think he'll produce in the same manner as the 4 guys ahead of him -- and a lot of that is the QB that will be throwing to him. I'm not sold on Romo.

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by steelkings on Aug 17^th, 2007, 1:46pm

1. Marvin Harrison - Colts
2. Terrell Owens - C-Boys
3. Tory Holt - Rams
4. Javon Walker - Bronks
5. Randy Moss - Patsys
6. Marques Colston - Saints
7. Steve Smith - Cats
8. Chad Johnson - other cats
9. Hines Ward - Steel
10. Kevin Curtis - Eagles

My thoughts,

I love Walker at 4. It wouldn't take too much to convince me to push him all the way to the front of the line. If Henry holds up his end of the bargain, Walker will put up Harrison like numbers.
~~Bum~~, Err, Wade Phillips is going to throw it to T.O like he's 24 years old. If To can stay healthy he will put up monster numbers.
The Pats have a way of curing cancer and ressurrecting washed up old careers. Moss will suprise Many.
Kevin Curtis is the sleeper of the year.

Have at it!

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by Philly on Aug 18^th, 2007, 11:02pm

I hope you're right on Kevin Curtis. (I don't think you are, but I can hope!)

Curtis has looked very solid from what I've seen, and the Eagles couldn't be more thrilled with him. The only issue that I see with him is that the Eagles will still be giving Brian Westbrook his 75 catches, and then there's Reggie Brown and the Eagles love to throw to the tight ends (rookie Brent Celek has been fantastic thus far, although LJ Smith should return before long). I just don't see Curtis getting more than 60-65 catches this year, and that's not enough to put him top 10.

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by StegRock on Aug 19^th, 2007, 2:41am

on 08/17/07 at 13:46:11, steelkings wrote:

10. Kevin Curtis - Eagles

Now,... if anything NEEDS explaining...

I'm sorry, sk, but I see this as trying to be TOO original and daring to be different.

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by steelkings on Aug 19^th, 2007, 5:02pm

Quote:

I'm sorry, sk, but I see this as trying to be TOO original and daring to be different.

Not too original as I found out. I was thumbing through the Mag rack at the super market and ESPN's fantasy Mag also has Curtis in the 10th spot.

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by StegRock on Aug 19^th, 2007, 5:05pm

on 08/19/07 at 17:02:11, steelkings wrote:

Not too original as I found out. I was thumbing through the Mag rack at the super market and ESPN's fantasy Mag also has Curtis in the 10th spot.

Well, then, the "originality" is to be attributed to them...

Title: Re: Share with "the Gridiron" forum your Top 10 RC
Post by StegRock on Sep 6^th, 2007, 3:48am

Well, sk,... T.O., alas, made it into my Top 10 in my last set of Preseason Value Rankings posted September 2nd, jumped to #7 to be exact, and you can see where I've ranked him in my Week 1 Lineup Rankings, uploaded just a few minutes ago: StegsList.com (http://www.stegslist.com)!!! Enjoy! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

Incidentally, something else sk peripherally mentioned,... I've changed my mind [smiley=thinking.gif] as regards the Cardinals [smiley=chicken.gif] two big wideouts!!! [smiley=ohshit.gif] Again, it's all available at StegsList.com (http://www.stegslist.com)!!!