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(Message started by: Walker_Boh on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:15pm)

Title: Looking for a league
Post by Walker_Boh on Dec 10^th, 2002, 3:15pm

This is my second year of fantasy sports and I'm hooked! [smiley=yes.gif] For years, I heard people talk about their fantasy teams and thought, "What the hell are these idiots talking about?" ??? Now I get it and there's no going back! [smiley=no.gif] That being said, I'm getting tired playing of in these public leagues where I'm 1 of 3 participating on a regular basis. What's the point of playing if there's nothing on the line and nobody cares? [smiley=sleepers.gif] Now that I've got the hang of things, I'd like to join a more serious, in-depth league (i.e. Keeper league, dynasty league, $$$ league) and play with people that participate and compete. I was hoping one of you could let me know where to join one of these leagues or invite me to play in yours. ;) Thanks.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by FourTwoOh on Dec 10^th, 2002, 4:38pm

I definately see a couple of board leagues sprouting here in the very near future.

I'm down with being in a league/leagues with any of you here. Setting anything up right away doesn't seem too pressing to me right now, but I want to create/join some sort of $ auction-draft league. Keeper/dynasty intrigues me as well, and an auction draft to kick of a new keeper/dynasty seems like a perfect fit.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 10^th, 2002, 5:45pm

Count me in!

I say we start up a Gridiron 2003 League for next season, maybe a 12 team league. Basic scoring, or whatever, I don't care!! ;D

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Dec 10^th, 2002, 8:47pm

As long as we're throwing names into the hat...

[smiley=wave.gif]

I'm in one money league (5 years running now) and definitely could handle another league.

A Gridiron league (especially made up of the "regulars") would be very cool.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by bgsgfan on Dec 11^th, 2002, 12:59am

I am also sure some leagues will be popping up from around here.

I know that I will start a money keeper league next year. I got into one this year, but it was the worst commished league I have ever been in and it won't make it until next year.

I want to put all details together before I really advertise it.

BTW, I feel your pain Walker. I got into FF via my ex-brother-in-law. When I got divorced, I spent a year in the public leagues where I knew no-one and there were maybe 3 competitive teams with owners that kept track of things.

Let me tell you - one of the best things about FF is when its a live in person draft. The trash-talking and excitement are very intense. Live internet drafts with people you know can be pretty intense too.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by bgsgfan on Dec 11^th, 2002, 1:01am

I definitely want to do an auction league next year as well, however since it will be my first year doing an auction, I won't let myself commish it (unless its a dual-commish situation).

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Dec 11^th, 2002, 7:37am

I was fortunate to get into a league with some friends and friends-of-friends, so the trash-talking gets pretty heavy at times.

Unfortunately we have only had automated drafts so far. I would love a live draft. There's nothing worse than looking at the draft card after its done and realizing that despite all the work that went into the predraft rankings, I would have done something different based on my draft position.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 13^th, 2002, 10:03pm

I have never been in an auction league either. That sounds interesting too!

on 12/10/02 at 16:38:21, FourTwoOh wrote:

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker_Boh on Dec 15^th, 2002, 5:56pm

Thanks for all the replies.[smiley=thumbsup.gif] I guess it goes without saying to drop me a line when these leagues get rollin'.;) I'm open for any and all formats. An auction sounds pretty cool and I know from experience that the live drafts are awesome.[smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by CoachH on Dec 17^th, 2002, 8:28am

Count me in as well, I am intrigued with the idea of a auction style draft and am open for just about any type of league.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Dec 20^th, 2002, 6:11pm

I am a little bit curious to know how interested you guys are in playing in a league which uses the GBRFL-type rotisserie system. If so, I think it doable. It just seems like, given the Gridiron's close connection with the GBRFL here @ Fantasyfootballer.com, that leagues using the unique GBRFL rotisserie-style format should be, well, "promoted." For details on the league set-up, go to http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/scoring.htm.

Also of note, the CBFL, which has been a spin off on FFToday's Mock Draft #1, will be moving on over to "the Gridiron" next season. It will be done in connection with OUR first "official" Mock Draft for the 2003 season, which I would expect to do around the end of May/June-ish. For more information on the CBFL, go to http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/scoring.htm.

Also of note, you are welcome to conduct independent mock drafts right here on "between the 20's" whenever you want. :)

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 20^th, 2002, 8:58pm

That's doable Stegg-o. An auction-keeper league with those rules. I think a Gridiron league is in order for 2003!!

So far, we have:
Stegrock
Barnaby Wilde
Philly
420
Walker_Boh
bgsgfan
CoachH

What do you say, maybe three more?

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Dec 21^st, 2002, 7:06pm

I like it. But for the first year, I'd kind of like people who have been active here. That way we have a bit of a feel for each other and know that the other players will be active and interested for the whole season.

[smiley=coach.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker_Boh on Dec 22^nd, 2002, 12:55am

I'm in [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by FourTwoOh on Dec 22^nd, 2002, 5:58pm

I need some help before I fully commit. I honestly do not understand a lot of the gbrfl system. Can someone explain the scoring chart? Then maybe the sometimes play 1 game sometimes play two thing. Sorry if I seem hesitant. It's definetly different enough that I can't say for sure I'm interested. I'm in one several year old league that I'll probably never drop but have grown to hate the scoring system. That has me a little gun shy.

Sell me on it guy's, I'm easy!

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Dec 22^nd, 2002, 7:54pm

Well, FourTwoOh, all, before I get into blowin' 30 minutes trying to explain things, here is a link to one of our spreadsheets: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/spreadsheets/Week15-1.xls. Here is the link to the whole results page, so you can get a feel for how final scores look over a season: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/results.htm. It is really an awesome system that has been honed and perfected over time, 15 years that is, BUT there are some optional things. We can make some changes, like getting rid of the "Bumper Week" format for a more "traditional" playoff format. That having been said, I have played in a few different-type systems and this one provides the most excitement, by far. Finally, another page that might be of interest is our "News & Notes" page: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/newsnotes.htm.

Now, after looking through this stuff, if you want to ask some targeted questions to which I can provide specific answers, let me have it.

Of course, we could just ditch the whole idea and play with a standard "performance" format. But, then, to me, the point would be partially lost as we would not be engaged in anything here that is not going on somewhere else, which, de facto, is among those things that does not peak my interest as much. But, whatever, I am game for anything. Just know whence I am coming! All contributions are GREAT and I am thankful for ALL the energy you all have contributed to (the betterment of) "the Gridiron"! I just want you all to know what really floats my boat vis-a-vis what just makes me "pat you on the butt" and go "go for it, my little grasshopper."

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by FourTwoOh on Dec 22^nd, 2002, 11:43pm

cool. here's a couple of specifics that may answer quite a few more.

I'll use Rushing from the scoring chart.

head to head td = 6.
bonus level = 4
bounus value = 2

if your rb scores 4 td's in one game you get 2 extra points for 26 instead of 24?

Yards = 6 Six what? per 10, per 20 per ???
Bonus level 250 :o

Yards per rush. If this is what I think it is, I like it. Are you taking the rb's final game ypr and mutiplying it by, and I think I'm gonna cry here, 4.20?

That's it for now, it's just too emotional :wipes away a tear: [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Dec 23^rd, 2002, 3:59pm

Guys,

I know I'm probably bein' a dick here, but I'm kind of getting a kick out of this. Before I (simply) explain it, I'd like to see a few more stabs... guesses as to how the scoring system works. Put together whats on that "Scoring" page along with the spreadsheet I've linked to and give it another whack. When you do figure it out, you are gonna' be like [smiley=doh.gif]. Try to think out of the box here! This system actually goes back farther than most of the contemporary "performance" systems of today, at least as far as "mainstream" fantasy (rotisserie) football goes, if it could be called "mainstream" back then. This was basically the system run by the FIRST "rotisserie" sports company, Armchair Sports Group (ASG), out of Longview, Texas, starting back in the early 80's. [smiley=hmmmm.gif] I've been in since '89. Come on now! Make Steggie proud of the MASTERMINDS on "the Gridiron"! ;)

If I am being too much of a peckerhead, let me know and I'll let the cat "out of the box," so to speak. ::)

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker_Boh on Dec 24^th, 2002, 1:07pm

Well, I printed out the spreadsheet, cut it up, taped it all together and examined it over and over again. Finally, after several painstaking hours, I realized that I had no idea what I was looking at! I can't wait to hear the explanation.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 24^th, 2002, 2:08pm

I couldn't figure it out either.

Could it be that say, if you are playing head to head, and I perform better in a category, I get a point and you don't?

Then you tally up the points that way, like my baseball league?

[smiley=Imwithstupid.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Dec 24^th, 2002, 8:32pm

Fortunately I haven't had a chance to look at it yet - and won't until Thursday.

Hopefully an explanation will arrive before then so I am off the hook.

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Marshall_Law on Dec 26^th, 2002, 3:59am

I am in a 32-team league that may interest you. It is a 32 team dynasty league. It's just for fun, no $$$. Definately a lot of homework to do. [smiley=graduate.gif] As of right now, there are still technically 32 teams, but there is almost guaranteed to be some turnover. Anyone who is interested, keep it in mind. I will be posting more information during the off-season, when I get a better idea of how many teams are available.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker_Boh on Jan 21^st, 2003, 1:53am

OK Steg, I think we've waited long enough... SPILL THE BEANS!

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by ScreamingWeasel on Jan 21^st, 2003, 5:36am

on 12/15/02 at 17:56:37, Walker_Boh wrote:

Walker.
I've got to warn you that with a 12-owner, on-line auction style league - be prepared to spend 6, 8, 10 hours probably more on-line getting the draft done.
It can be a painful, exhausting experience, similar to having a root canal. :o
It can be done on-line - but it's one HELL of a lot more fun if you can get together "live" with "real" friends, relatives, co-workers.
Go over to someone's basement rec room on a Saturday morning for the auction draft. Have a hotdog buffet. Take a break every so often.
At the end of the last salary cap auction draft I participated in ... I thought my brain had been sucked out through my ear.

It's a great system - just wanted you to be prepared, that's all, if you choose to do it.
Especially on-line.

As always, this is only my totally dumb ass opinion, though.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by ugley on Jan 21^st, 2003, 10:36am

I was going to stay mum untill I saw Weasels post. Based on experience I suggest you reconsider an auction league. I did one in 1996. It took a little over 6 hours to complete in a face to face setting. I can not recall ever being so bored. I would have bailed except new owner were recquired to sacrifice their first born male child if they did. [smiley=annoyed.gif] Seriously I would have bailed except the $120.00 fee was "non-refundable" Given the auction/salary cap format of that league by week three the work/reward ratio was way out of whack and as much as I love fat-nasty football I will never do an auction league again. Obviously there are a lot of people that like auction leagues and I am not rag-in on them at all. It is just not for me. My comments are just food for thought and "thats all I have to say about that" [smiley=footballsmiley.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Jan 21^st, 2003, 12:45pm

I have to third this. I think pulling an auction-style player-selection process off on-line is going to be very time-consuming. The on-line environment is much more conducive to a straight draft. However, I believe Fanball.com pulls it off somehow. If you were to want to push the envelope here, Walker_Boh, you might want to see how they brew their stew. That having been said, a straight draft inherently generates positional cheatsheets, i.e. player rankings, that I could then post as such, which would be a nice residual bonus for "the Gridiron"!

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker_Boh on Jan 21^st, 2003, 1:30pm

Hey, it's all good. I'm open for whatever.;D The only thing I care about is group participation and the possibility of a payday at the end of the season. I have no problem doing a "straight" draft, in fact, I might prefer it. (I'll get my feet wet elsewhere with an auction league before I take on the hardcore players at the Gridiron.);) I say we go for a GBRFL... now if Steg would only explain to us how it works! (hint hint)

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jan 21^st, 2003, 3:47pm

When you guys say, Auction Draft? Do you mean a Live Online Draft?

I do Yahoo! Fantasy Football ever year now, and I am in a Money Winners League. I do a Live Online draft every year, and it is NOT time consuming.

I was actually thinking of starting a Yahoo! Fantasy Football league with some of you guys here. The scoring is simple, head-to-head. Whether it be money or not, doesn't matter, just as long as it's competitive. The Live Draft for Yahoo! is also very simple. The computer automatically sets a draft order. Then each team, I believe is given a minute and 30 seconds to choose a player, then it continues on.. etc. At tops, 12 teams, is anywhere from 1 hour to an hour and half. Which, for some, may seem long, but, it really isn't... time goes by fast...

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Tony_O on Jan 21^st, 2003, 5:17pm

I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN A STRAIGHT DRAFT MONEY LEAGUE.....BUT AN AUCTION SEEMS TO TIME CONSUMING FOR A ON- LINE MESSAGE BOARD ENVIROMENT!

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker_Boh on Jan 21^st, 2003, 5:23pm

No, live drafts are different then auctions. The auction draft is just that, an auction. [smiley=soapbox.gif] The way I understand it is, each participant starts with the same amount of money and the draft order is randomly determined. Each participant takes a turn in nominating a player and starts the bidding. The nominated player goes to the highest bidder. This process continues untill each roster is full. Am I missing anything here?

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jan 21^st, 2003, 6:10pm

Bah, the Auction draft sounds... stupid...

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by ugley on Jan 21^st, 2003, 6:17pm

Walker you did get it right. The league I was in each owner had $100.00 to spend on his team for the year. If I remember E. Smith went for 23.00, B. Sanders 19.00. ON my turn I offered Anthony Miller for $1.00, no one else bid on him I had $99.00 left. Some players were not bid on, others(Smith,Sanders etc) had 8-10 bids. What slowed it down was owners had to continually "check their budgets" on each bid since they could only spend $100.00 max. Add into it we had to keep some money back for free agent bidding during the season it took for ever. I think I spent $88.00 on my roster with 12.00 in the bank. By week 4 I spent the $12.00 so I would not have to deal with the weekly free agent auction and just turned in a line up for the rest of the year. At the end of the auction I had used half of a legal pad and had writers cramp for adding,subtracting and looking at scenarios of how much I could spend for a qb.,back up rb. etc. IN short the auction league to me was more work than it was worth. [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by bgsgfan on Feb 28^th, 2003, 9:44am

Forgive me for dredging up an old topic, but I just got back online and there were a couple things I wanted to add to this.

If you want to get involved in an auction league, check out Unlucky's Greek leagues here: http://unlucky.freeshell.org/greekleagues/index.html. I was in 2 of his leagues this past year, and they were without a doubt the best commished leagues I have ever been in. I really do not know the guy, but with the job he did commishing - and the fact that he was diligent in actually tracking me down to pay me my winnings, I have to give him huge props.

I wasn't in one of his auction leagues, but I'd like to be in one next year. Before I do a $ auction league though, I'd like to at least have a mock auction dract. If interested in trying to put that debacle together, let me know.

As far as a GBRFL style league next year - count me in. I can handle up to $100 and BTW Steggie - I can make the scoring spreadsheet a LOT easier I volunteer to do that part of the commishing).

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker Boh on Mar 9^th, 2003, 11:12am

Hey bgsgfan, thanks for the info on the Unlucky Greek site. I'll definitely check it out. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Does anyone know of a free auction league? (Perhaps a mock auction site where I could get some experience before I play with real cash.)

Hey Steg, any updates on the potential GBRFL? You never did explain how everything works! It looks like we have plenty of interest here at the Gridiron, now let us have it!

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 10^th, 2003, 6:14pm

Quote:

Does anyone know of a free auction league?

Fanball.com offers a free auction league every year.(at least the past two.)

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker Boh on Mar 10^th, 2003, 7:59pm

Thanks Dirk, you da man! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 12^th, 2003, 4:16pm

Looks like Stegster is staying hush-hush on the GBRFL subject. [smiley=theyareontome.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Nero on Mar 18^th, 2003, 8:44am

I just saw your posting on FantasyFootballCafe.com

Free keeper league? I could handle another

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Mar 18^th, 2003, 3:29pm

on 03/18/03 at 08:44:59, Nero wrote:

I just saw your posting on FantasyFootballCafe.com

Free keeper league? I could handle another

Hey, Nero, All!

I am still a little strapped for time, but, trust me, everything is still a go. I will explain everything in due time. In any event, if you are interested in the "featured" league(s) (but probably only one this year) I have planned, a) keep a regular, i.e. daily, tab on this thread because, eventually, the ball will get rolling, and b) it would behoove you to participate on "the Gridiron" as much as you can as, especially if there is only one league, one of the main determining factors of becoming a member will be one's participation here. It will be a 10-team league and if more than 10 guys want to join in, which will be the case, well... So, if you are new, I'd heartily suggest making yourself comfortable around here. ;D

Anyway, if you read through the thread, you can see that these guys are working on forming other leagues; whether they will be keeper leagues or not, I do not know nor do I have any influence on that. I am guessing they will be strictly made up from the great bunch we have around here and I will probably offer up a board (in what will be our new "Gridiron Leagues" section) for each one that springs into being, but they will be independently run.

Anyway, thanks for your interest, Nero, all! [smiley=bow.gif] Again, I will get on the featured, GBRFL-style league presentation as soon as I can devote the time necessary to do it right.

Later,
Steg

P.S. (Nero, do not forget to check your "private messages"... link is in the upper-righthand corner!)

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 19^th, 2003, 6:34pm

I know this thread is REALLY old but I just thought I'd dig it up and let you all know that FFFL has adopted the auction draft as its way of player selection. Hope some of you become interested by this, as I feel it's the most fair way to draft. Everyone has a chance at everyone, etc.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 19^th, 2003, 6:36pm

Woops, forgot the link AGAIN

www.geocities.com/geniuswithwords/fffhomepage.htm

Enjoy

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker Boh on May 18^th, 2003, 1:59am

I just spent some time checking out the QFL message board and I thought I'd take the time to bring this thread back up to the top. I'm sure Steg is working hard on our new league, but I thought I'd give him a little more inspiration! ;) The football league I played in last year (run by the infamous Screaming Weasel) has been formally dismantled. :( SW has been running the league for 14 years and needs to take a break from it all. That leaves me out on the street... A lost football soul without a home...[smiley=bawling.gif] I know... it's tragic. Seriously though, I am so excited to get this league up and running. After visiting some of the Fantasy Leagues here on the Gridiron, I definitely feel like I'm missing out!

I just had a thought... I was thinking about Danny Ainge and his new job as the Boston Celtic's GM and that brought me to this breakthrough realization... GM's/Owners get to play Real Fantasy Football. Think about it, they play in the ultimate keeper league! Complete with live drafts, trades, injuries... everything we do on a Fantasy level, but they play for real. Now that I typed it out, I guess it's pretty obvious, but I never really thought of it that way... what a great job!

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on May 18^th, 2003, 11:51am

Walker, GREAT post! Yes, everything on my end is in the works, the CBFL, which will be based on our (first-ever) Mock Draft #1, which will be soonish but a little later than FFToday typically did theirs, and the GBRFL2, a kick-ass, high-octane spinoff of the GBRFL and being done as a thank you of sorts to the Gridironers who have helped me get this place off the ground. Those are definitely "happenin'" (in both senses of the word). Of course, though, another AWESOME alternative is Jon Cirrinone's FFFL, the latest addition to the FFLA. Get on board with him a. s. a. p. and you will have a real opportunity to be a big part of the future of that league as it is in the "formative" stages of its inaugural season. Outside of these three hardcore, top-notch FFLA options, you guys are welcome to get together and form leagues independently and I will gladly give you a message-board home here in what would be our new "Gridiron Leagues" section. Again, that's all "you," though! In any event, the most immediate option for obtaining the gratification of being back in a league, Walker, all, is to get on over to the FFFL site, links to which are all around, including on the main forum (index) page on the FFFL board where it says "Fantasy Football Frenzy League" (actually all of those type links are to the respective league sites, not the boards, if you didn't know). Well, I hope I have brought this into a little focus for you all! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on May 19^th, 2003, 4:16pm

This was a post I made on an old thread by our esteemed member ugley! It is for those interested in the GBRFL2, the organization of which is slowly, but steadily approaching!

on 01/22/03 at 01:18:41, StegRock wrote:

You wanna' know what the Rock is cookin' up for ya's? Be prepared to put the debates between "total points" and "head-to-head", "keeper" and "turnover" leagues, of "playoffs" versus "no playoffs", "1 starting QB" or "2", over unnecessarily complicated "flex lineups", needlessly difficult "salary caps" and "how many weeks of the season a league should run" behind you.

How 'bout the best of these worlds, "head-to-head" and "rotisserie" ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , combined with these, a "semi-playoff format" ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , a "10-team, 17-week, 29-game schedule" that will make you forget about even considering playing any fewer ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , "deep 21-component rosters" and "10-component starting lineups" that really makes depth the key... no relying on that one monster, (an optional) "deep 12 keepers" to test your mettle over the long haul ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , with liberal trading rules that allow you to trade everything of value within the league, players, draft picks, future draft picks (if applicable) and protection spots ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] ? [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

By the way, did I mention a more accurate "mirroring of the real value of a player in relation to his specific position" necessitating a more honed process for evaluating players, incorporating what they play on the field and, thus, their primary functions first and foremost? [smiley=hmmmm.gif] [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] A quarterback is a QB first and foremost: he is the team's passer; a running back, a RB: he is the runner! If they do not perform their primary function as such on the "real" field of play, it will usually have an adverse effect on the team's performance (though perhaps not on them statistically from an FF standpoint). However, this "reality" must be taken into account in the GBRFL system. [smiley=zenmaster.gif] [smiley=ohshit.gif]

Whatever, I am just adding a little sugar into you guys' bloodstreams and trying to get you pumped up and drive you all crazy! [smiley=wiseguy.gif] [smiley=gonecrazy.gif] In any event, it's gonna' be a whole lot of fun! ;D [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on May 19^th, 2003, 10:00pm

on 05/19/03 at 16:16:35, StegRock wrote:

A quarterback is a QB first and foremost: he is the team's passer; a running back, a RB: he is the runner! If they do not perform their primary function as such on the "real" field of play, it will usually have an adverse effect on the team's performance (though perhaps not on them statistically from an FF standpoint).

So the true value of a QB like Vick or McNabb minimized in the GBRFL format? By saying a QB is first and foremost a passer pays no heed to the fact that the QB position is evolving and QBs who are able to run the ball as effectively (or moreso) as a RB are not a passing (pun intended) fancy.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on May 20^th, 2003, 12:04am

on 05/19/03 at 22:00:53, Philly wrote:

[smiley=soapboxer.gif]

Don't put words in my mouth, Phil! It's not minimized, just accounted for appropriately vis-a-vis your typical system of today where a quarterback's rushing yardage is SO OVER-AWARDED! Just because something is not "over-awarded" does not mean it is "minimized." Hell, in ALL of the usual systems out there that I am familiar with (and that have been ingrained in and tacitly accepted by today's fantasy footballer because of a dependence on commissioner.com software), it would be best if your QB did nothing but just ran the ball (or caught passes) and only passed it to open up rushing opportunities for himself. I understand that points in a cumulative-points, performance system are awarded that way because the difference between how passing stats pile up more quicky and how rushing and receiving stats accumulate more slowly needs to be made up, but this glitch that you'd rather have your QB run for a 50-yard touchdown than pass for one is the other side of, what I would call, the forced logic of that type of system (which is so prevalent today).

So, with regards to your evolution-of-the-QB-position comment, I have two things to say...

One, if it is in fact evolving the way you claim it is, then I suppose I am suggesting that that (kind of) scoring system needs to, as well. Ultimately, if you have not yet figured out the vain of my commentary/angst, it is that I have a problem with this type of FF scoring system, not the game of football or the NFL brand of that game. Regardless of how the "actual" game is played or how the "actual" game evolves, the GBRFL system will remain valid; whereas, all I am saying is that an FF scoring system that causes you to actually root for your QB to rush (or catch) rather than pass, should at least be put under the microscope, and that is all I am doing; commissioner.com, CBSSportsline, and all those companies profiting from the perpetuation of such a system, i.e. their software, surely will not! I may seem overzealous and like I am screaming at the top of my lungs about it, but that is ONLY because I seem to be the lone maverick exposing it.

Now, secondly, the jury is still very out on which direction the QB position is evolving in in the NFL. We'll see in 10 or so years how history bears that out. I know it is WAY too early to be declaring that the QB position is evolving the way of the McNabbs, Vicks, Culpeppers... Cunninghams (Remember him? Never even came close to a title, really), etc., etc. I mean none of these guys have won a Super Bowl yet and if we work our way back, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, an old, basically immobile John Elway twice, a TOTAL "tree" Troy Aikman thrice; okay, within those years, you maybe can make an argument for the semi-mobile, relatively speaking, Brett Favre and Steve Young, each who won one... BUT COME ON! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] This is still far from a "movement" (pun intended)! I see a resurgence of the appreciation of "passing fancy" (pun intended, again) on the horizon! ;)

All of that having been said, do whatever is fun for you and your friends! Use whatever system works for you! Just appreciate that there are others out there, like myself, who may be a little more passionate about the philosophical/technical side of things. [smiley=bow.gif]

P.S. (Philly, you had to know you were going to evoke this response from me! Did you do this on purpose?)

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker Boh on May 20^th, 2003, 12:35am

Steg, that is a great argument... I never thought of it that way, but it makes a lot of sense.

I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. I agree that it is a problem when you're rooting for your QB to run the ball, but at the same time they're putting themselves at risk to take bigger/more hits and they should be rewarded for it.

While it's true that the "Vicks" and "McNabbs" have greater potential to put up big #'s due to their rushing skills, they're also more likely to be injured as a result of their style of play and miss a couple games here and there (or play at less then 100%). I would think that it would all even out somehow...

Either way, it's something to think about.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on May 20^th, 2003, 8:56am

I certainly wasn't trying to put words in your mouth Steg... I know there are plenty there already. ;D I was just asking a question and looking for some elucidation.

I have been an Eagles fan for a LONG time now, so I've seen two of the better rushing QBs in Cunningham and McNabb.

I know that McNabb isn't going to throw a 50 yard TD pass. Not because he doesn't have the ability, or because he doesn't want to... he just doesn't have receivers who can get open. So I don't think there is anything wrong with him running it in from 50 - which, realistically, is much more likely. McNabb actually prefers NOT to run the ball. He has a bit of a hang-up with being identified as a running QB - like it is a sort of insult.

Cunningham had receivers who could get open deep (e.g., Fred Barnett), but he rarely had any time to wait for them to get open because he never had an offensive line of any worth in front of him (a large part of the reason the Cunningham-led Eagles never made it all the way to the big game). Because of the lack of a line (and a legitimate RB), Cunningham's game necessitated his rushing the ball more often than a "typical" QB.

So I may take more of an interest in the QB who is a double threat than most. And I was merely trying to discover why you had a problem with them from the fantasy standpoint.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by PA Outlaws on May 20^th, 2003, 12:02pm

A running QB is a double threat in football, and should also be in Fantasy as well! Personally, I love a running QB. Those extra few points can really make a difference. I don't care if it is a 50 yard bomb, or a 50 yard scramble, the bottom line is 50 yards and a TD! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on May 20^th, 2003, 1:45pm

on 05/20/03 at 08:56:11, Philly wrote:

...McNabb actually prefers NOT to run the ball. He has a bit of a hang-up with being identified as a running QB - like it is a sort of insult.

...Because of the lack of a line (and a legitimate RB), Cunningham's game necessitated his rushing the ball more often than a "typical" QB.

Words being used here like "hang-up" and "necessitated" in the context they are, that is because they ARE quarterbacks, not running backs! Whatever, though...

Quote:

...And I was merely trying to discover why you had a problem with them from the fantasy standpoint.

on 05/20/03 at 12:02:20, PA Outlaws wrote:

A running QB is a double threat in football, and should also be in Fantasy as well!

Come on guys... speak to "me"! I know it is a lot (I wrote/write a lot and it takes effort), and people don't usually come to these types of boards for profound discussion and meaty articles (although that is what "the Gridiron" is and will always be about), but please read what I wrote and try to get to the "pith" of it. I have absolutely nothing against running quarterbacks and the incorporation of their rushing stats in fantasy football; hell, I drafted Michael Vick last year in the CBFL, which runs off of your "conventional" system of today, because of all the "bonus" points he would generate with all of his rushing. That having been said, I do have something against systems that reward more for a quarterback's rushing (and receiving) stats than his passing stats and, moreover, the perpetuation and according prevalence of such systems and the condition and companies that perpetuate them... especially when a) a quarterback's rushing isn't valued higher than his passing on the real NFL gridiron, and b) in all "actuality," a quarterback's main, or should I say "unique" or "assigned" or "special," role is to pass the ball; a tailback's is to run the ball; a receiver's is to catch the ball. Think of it this way... If a QB is a horrific passer, but a great runner, he probably won't be a QB for long; he will probably be converted to a running back; whereas, if a QB is a horrific runner, but a great passer, he will probably remain a QB. Passing is the make-or-break attribute of a quarterback, bottom line. That said, I have nothing against a great athletic quarterback who can run the ball. I just don't like to see them get more points on the fantasy football gridiron for that part of their game, especially when they don't in the real game; sometimes by some it is even considered a liability, yet, in fantasy football you are rooting for it! A QB's passing and rushing (and receiving) should just be considered equally like it happens to be in the GBRFL system. My criticism is not one of McNabb, Vick, etc., etc., from any standpoint: it is one of commissioner.com and other like cookie-cutter league-management services and software, and when it comes to the evolution of the game, though I personally, subjectively do not think we are on the brink of the age of a preference for running quarterbacks to prototypical pocket-passing quarterbacks, I don't really care which way it goes. But, if it does evolve that way, the league-management software ought to as well, no? The GBRFL system doesn't have to because a quarterback will be awarded for his passing and rushing (and receiving) equally/appropriately, i.e. how he is in the real game, no matter what direction the real game goes in. So, maybe, moreover, what I am suggesting is that the fact that they have to adjust to the changes of the real game may be indicative of a lack of quality of what they are providing.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 20^th, 2003, 3:28pm

As I alluded to earlier in the year, I will be running a competitive-non-money league using Yahoo!

Just a reminder to all, that drafts for this should start some time at the end of August, 29th 30th ish...

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on May 20^th, 2003, 4:55pm

on 05/20/03 at 00:35:55, Walker Boh wrote:

I was so riled up here with this discussion that I forgot to properly acknowledge this post. Thank you, WB, for reading through the stuff, thinking it through a little and grokking whence I am coming. There is a valid point... and concern that I have! Anyway, thanks for "following" it! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by taterhog_14 on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 11:32pm

Hey guys!!!! I just found this site earlier today. I came to this site because I read on another site that there might be some keeper leagues here. I have been reading where you all are trying to get a league started with about 10 teams. I know that I am the new guy, but I would surely like for my name to be thrown in with the others for this league. I am looking for a competitive league where everyone participates until the end (just as some of you are). I am pretty new to the fantasy football world. I have been involved in a money league with friends for the past two years. I am hooked. The other fantasy sports that I do (baseball & racing) just kill time until football season starts. Now that football season is nearing, I can't wait!!!!! Please let me know what I need to do to get my name in the hat for one of the teams. THANKS

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 11:44pm

on 07/03/03 at 23:32:41, taterhog_14 wrote:

Please let me know what I need to do to get my name in the hat for one of the teams.

Welcome to "the show", th 14! Glad to have ya'! As for what to do to "get in on things 'round here", well, ya' just did "ONE" of them. Do a "FEW" more and get to know the folks and the "standards" around here and you'll be in like Flynn! I will say this much... I am very impressed by your first post there (and the private message you sent me)! So, you are off to a good start! But, in the long-run, us "Gridironers" tend to like guys to earn their keep... earn their respect around here, and in the process I, for one, look forward to getting to know you! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by taterhog_14 on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 11:54pm

Thanks StegRock!!! Just want to let you know that I am really impressed with this site. As I have been looking for some new leagues to join, I haven't found a site where people really want to know each other as this one does. I get the feeling that you as the Administrator, really wants this site to go because you enjoy what you are doing. That means alot. I have already told a couple of friends about this site, so maybe they will come check things out & maybe even join.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Jul 4^th, 2003, 12:02am

Welcome to the Gridiron... If you've been at some of the other sites you've seen some of the BS that goes on. While this site isn't immune to it, it is the exception rather than the norm. We're all interested in promoting fantasy football and sharing our own opinions and expertise in a friendly atmosphere.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by taterhog_14 on Jul 4^th, 2003, 12:05am

Thanks Philly!!! I think you are right about the site (from what I have seen so far today). I believe that I have finally found a site that I am going to enjoy being a part of.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Jul 4^th, 2003, 12:16am

on 07/04/03 at 00:02:08, Philly wrote:

We're all interested in promoting fantasy football and sharing our own opinions and expertise in a friendly atmosphere.

Well, within "The Cell" of Steg's mind...

[smiley=bawling.gif][smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] [smiley=bawling.gif][smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] [smiley=bawling.gif][smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] [smiley=bawling.gif][smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=demon.gif] [smiley=evil.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Jul 15^th, 2003, 12:02am

Fellas,

With ALL that is going on 'round here these days with regards to starting leagues, which is ALL GOOD, but is causing some of you to become quite over-extended, I want to give those of you die-hards, who are interested, a notice regarding the GBRFL2. Simply put, we are within about two weeks of my "official" announcement for the GBRFL2. I have TWO IMPORTANT things in my personal life that I have to tend to first. Regarding the league, in short, we will need 8 to 10 guys; 9 is possible, but preferably we will have 10, but no more. You guys may start expressing your interest herein once again, BUT PLEASE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME! My responding to questions on a case-by-case basis will only hold things up. Just know that EVERYTHING will commence and all questions will begin to be answered in two or so weeks! You are welcome to poke around the GBRFL site (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/) and start figuring things out. But, for now, just go about expressing your "general interest". Thank you for your understanding and anticipated cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif] I am...

...Your Friend in Fantasy Football,
Steve Stegeman [smiley=smileytrash.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 15^th, 2003, 1:26pm

Of course, I am in! The woman says this is it, though - she needs to get laid once in a while.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Walker Boh on Jul 15^th, 2003, 6:49pm

You know I'm in! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Jul 15^th, 2003, 9:02pm

This is the absolute last league in which I plan to partake. Sign me up.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 19^th, 2003, 9:46pm

As a new member I am keen to find a league to participate in....so sign me up and I anxiously await the details... :)

Many Canadians love the NFL and my family is no different both of my sons and my daughter follow teams religously and we all use to play fantasy football at NFL dot com but they went and slapped a fee on it this year so we were delighted to find your site and new league info.

As Principal of a small middle school here in Northeastern Nova Scotia I will use their colors and nickname for my team....the Purple & Gold Warriors [smiley=warrior.gif] [smiley=coach.gif] but I do need help from u guys ...how do you get all those great graphics especially the football helmets (Philly fan they are great!)

Is their an age limit? My sons are 13 (Vikings fan) and 17 (Jets fan) also my daughter (15 Dolphins fan) and are keen to get in a league as well (probably not a keeper league)
Looking forward to the draft

Thanks for the co operation ;D

Sincerely 8)

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Jul 20^th, 2003, 1:15am

Fellas, especially our good-spirited newcomers,

I feel I have to be straight ;) [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] with you guys regarding a couple things I am seeing being posted on "the Gridiron" lately, particularly by some of the new guys...

I must make it known that the GBRFL2 is a league I am running for free as a show of gratitude of sorts to those who have helped me get this place off the ground here in our inaugural year. That is NOT to say that new guys will not be welcome. Quite the contrary! But, there are a handful of guys who have earned an "in" here. If you are new 'round these parts, I would just suggest contributing insightful posts and making an effort to get to know the great die-hard fantasy footballers we have here. Whether or not there is a spot for each and every one of you in the GBRFL2, with the hardcore guys here, leagues seem to beget themselves. There are a few threads here "between the 20's" that regard the forming of leagues, especially ones with unique rules/scoring systems. One of our newest members, pb8080, started a thread in which he expresses interest in keeper leagues. If you too are interested in a keeper league, you might want to express your interest there. If you guys get a league going on your own, I will gladly host it here and give you all a message board. So, don't rule out the GBRFL2, but try to understand whence I am coming and don't put all your eggs into the GBRFL2 basket; get 'em in a few baskets! [smiley=yes.gif]

Now, with regards to the topic of kids that Bobby O, another obviously enthusiastic and bright new member, brings up above, in all sincerity and honesty I have to say that "the Gridiron" is NOT a place for kids, at least not of the ages 13 and 15, in a few respects, namely the "wide range of vocabulary" that is permitted here (as per the member agreement you agreed to when signing up) and the level of maturity of and thought going into the discussions that go on here and, moreover, that I want going on here. This place is intended to be more of an "adult lounge" than "short attention span theater for kids", smilies, some of which are X-rated, notwithstanding. So, Bob, I look forward to hopefully getting to know you by way of this great hobby of ours, but, your kids, well,... Regardless of my personal feelings about this, the site that offers up something that would be more apropos and effective for getting your kids involved in fantasy football, Bob, is http://youthfantasyfootball.com/. Good luck with that and I hope you can appreciate where I am coming from "here".

Well, that'll do it for now! Time for me to reclaim my Saturday night! I am...

...Your Friend in Fantasy Football,
Steve Stegeman [smiley=smileytrash.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 20^th, 2003, 6:18am

Same here...sign me up, although I am starting to be spread thin... ;)

on 07/15/03 at 21:02:05, Philly wrote:

This is the absolute last league in which I plan to partake. Sign me up.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Jul 20^th, 2003, 9:48am

on 07/19/03 at 21:46:00, Bob_Oswego wrote:

Welcome Bob. Can never have too many Canadians cheering for the NFL, eh? (My sister is becoming a Canadian citizen right now as she married a fellow from Toronto a few years back.)

Anyway, as far as the graphics are concerned, I found both of my pictures on the internet and linked them to this site. Just go to the profile link (at the top of this page) and you'll see where to insert your picture (instead of the Charlie Brown one you have). For the picture at the bottom of my post, that is the signature line in the profile page. Just be sure to include the html tagging in there and it should work fine. The helmets already exist at the Eagles homepage on their schedule page...

Of course, the personalized pic under your name should be smallish (no more than 100x100) and the one in your signature should either be long and skinny or just small altogether.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 20^th, 2003, 12:47pm

Thanks for all the tips on graphics and ifo regarding youth fantasy football! I am a proponent that if you do not know something then ask....it worked here and now I can redirect my kids to a place for fun and fantasy football against opponents of their own age...as far as the grphics go I will invest some time and see what I can come up with

Did you hear the Jets signed their first round pick?

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by GOLF_FREAK on Jun 15^th, 2004, 2:21pm

;D

OH YEAH AM I LOOKING FOR A LEAGUE. I AM TIRED OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THE YAHOO LEAGUES WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR TEAMS WHEN THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WELL. THAT IS PART OF SPORTS. I AM FROM CHICAGO MY WHOLE LIFE AND I KNOW ALL ABOUT BAD TEAMS. THE ONLY THING IS THAT I ALWAYS THINK MY TEAMS ARE THE BEST. LOL

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by Philly on Jun 15^th, 2004, 2:27pm

Welcome to the Gridiron, Golf Freak.

Hope you enjoy it here. There are always opportunities for new leagues presenting themselves here. The best shot you have of getting into one is to stick around and participate in the discussions so we can get to know you.

You'll find that we are pretty serious about our FF here (though we like to have fun too!). You also find that there isn't as much of the [smiley=bs.gif] you'll find at other sites.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by StegRock on Jun 15^th, 2004, 2:51pm

Yes, [smiley=welcome.gif] , GF, to "the Gridiron"! Hang out and join in the discussions throughout the site and I think in the long-run what you are looking for fantasy-wise will be realized.

Another thread regarding openings in a league:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;action=display;num=1084309083.

You may want to post on it and/or send reap man grim [smiley=skull.gif] an e-mail. Good luck! [smiley=shammy.gif]

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 16^th, 2004, 1:52am

Golf Freak, and anyone else interested...

I have a new Gridiron league in the works. It will combine the scoring system very similar to the CBFL ( a few tweaks) and it will incorporate IDP's (individual defensive players)

Please drop me an IM or leave a post here if you are interested.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by GOLF_FREAK on Jun 16^th, 2004, 7:52am

THANKS FOR ALL THE WELCOMING RESPONSES. I LOOK FORWARD TO ALL THE FOOTBALL TALK. BBALL HAS REALLY GOT ME DOWN. VERY BORING "BULLS SUCK BIG TIME RIGHT NOW!!!!" CAN'T WAIT TILL FOOTBALL TO START SINCE THE SUPERBOWL. PLEASE KEEP ME UPDATED FOR ANY LEAGUES OPENING UP.

THANKS ALL.

Title: Re: Looking for a league
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 16^th, 2004, 8:21am

on 06/16/04 at 01:52:37, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Depending on when the draft is, I am in! After that mock we did last year, I kind of hoped someone would step up with this concept this year.