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(Message started by: ugley on Jan 21^st, 2003, 8:23pm)

Title: another can of worms-head to head vs. total points
Post by ugley on Jan 21^st, 2003, 8:23pm

After doing a total points league since 91 I entered a head to head league in 2001. Result 10-3 most points and got whacked in the 2nd rd. of the play offs. 2002 11-2 most points and got whacked by a wild card team in the 2nd rd. of the play offs. My question is why are most leagues head to head? I understand h to h more resembles the NFL deal and for some reason a lot of owners thing h to h is more macho etc. Guess I am just frustrated with making the effort for 13 wks. to field the best team, getting it done and losing out due to this year any way Harrison,Plax and Driver did not show up in a play off week. Most of flak I have heard about total points leagues is owners with bad teams lose interest and drop out but the same can be said for h to h leagues. I guess my real problem is that any team can luck into the super bowl and win it in head to head league where as in a total points league the winers do there home work for 17 weeks. What do you think? [smiley=soapbox.gif] [smiley=soapbox.gif]

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by Walker_Boh on Jan 21^st, 2003, 8:59pm

That's why playing in public leagues suck. People don't know each other and no one is held accountable for their actions. In fantasy sports, it's not the game that matters; it's the people playing the game with you. Accountability is everything. As far as having the best team all year and losing in the playoffs, well that's just the way it happens sometimes. If fantasy sports were an exact science, what fun would they be? Knowing that anything can happen on any given Sunday is what makes it fun.

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by StegRock on Jan 22^nd, 2003, 1:18am

Here's all I got to say regarding this...

You wanna' know what the Rock is cookin' up for ya's? Be prepared to put the debates between "total points" and "head-to-head", "keeper" and "turnover" leagues, of "playoffs" versus "no playoffs", "1 starting QB" or "2", over unnecessarily complicated "flex lineups", needlessly difficult "salary caps" and "how many weeks of the season a league should run" behind you.

How 'bout the best of these worlds, "head-to-head" and "rotisserie" ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , combined with these, a "semi-playoff format" ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , a "10-team, 17-week, 29-game schedule" that will make you forget about even considering playing any fewer ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , "deep 21-component rosters" and "10-component starting lineups" that really makes depth the key... no relying on that one monster, (an optional) "deep 12 keepers" to test your mettle over the long haul ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] , with liberal trading rules that allow you to trade everything of value within the league, players, draft picks, future draft picks (if applicable) and protection spots ??? [smiley=ohshit.gif] [smiley=yes.gif] ? [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

...

I will eventually get around to explaining ALL of this on Walker_Boh's "Looking for a League" thread. It is just that it is very early in the going and I am VERY strapped for time right now (got some very important personal matters on the plate... good news is I am not leaving this "rock" to return to that other "ROK"). [smiley=havinablast.gif] In any case, this, and a whole bunch of other goodies, are all in the works, fellas! [smiley=wiseguy.gif] You can count on that! [smiley=yes.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by Walker_Boh on Jan 22^nd, 2003, 1:22am

I'm foaming at the mouth...[smiley=dog.gif]

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by paulinstl on Jan 22^nd, 2003, 1:51pm

Hey Steg, are you familiar with the term "Occam's Razor"? ;)

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by StegRock on Jan 22^nd, 2003, 3:49pm

on 01/22/03 at 13:51:18, paulinstl wrote:

Hey Steg, are you familiar with the term "Occam's Razor"? ;)

Yes, as in the "principle of economy" of William of Ockham (also spelled with a "k")! And, if you mean that I want to "cut" through all the bullshit, you're right! ;D

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by ugley on Jan 23^rd, 2003, 11:14am

The suspense is killing me. [smiley=frustrated.gif] [smiley=gonecrazy.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by paulinstl on Jan 23^rd, 2003, 2:02pm

on 01/22/03 at 15:49:53, StegRock wrote:

And, if you mean that I want to "cut" through all the bullshit, you're right! ;D

I guess that's one way to look at it. [smiley=yes.gif]

Here is what I was alluding to, as it applies to your earlier post about scoring rules in Walker Boh's league thread,

Quote:

"when you have two competing theories which make exactly the same predictions, the one that is simpler is the better."

I am in no way trying to denegrate the scoring system you will unveil, all I'm trying to say is that with all the possible permutations and changes done to league scoring, it seems to me that the more complicated the system, the more room for errors.

Obviously, you have played in this system and really enjoy it, so maybe everything I've said is just dead ass wrong! [smiley=mickey.gif]

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by StegRock on Jan 23^rd, 2003, 6:37pm

I gotchya'! My conglomeratic explanation/sales pitch above may look dense, but the overall set-up is very straightforward and simpler than most in many respects. The scoring system is no more or less complicated than the usual, just different, but other league guidelines, regarding trading, free-agent acquisition and such, are much more clear-cut than a lot of what I see out there and have played in. I would say this: the overall set-up, scoring rules and league guidelines, looked at as a whole, is fairer than a lot of what is out there and gives a more accurate reflection of the impact of one players' statistics on a game than most. [smiley=wiseguy.gif]

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by ugley on Jan 24^th, 2003, 12:04pm

on 01/22/03 at 01:18:41, StegRock wrote:

Oh. the suspense, pain,agony how about a hint or 2. [smiley=bawling.gif] [smiley=dejected.gif] [smiley=frustrated.gif]

Title: Re: another can of worms-head to head vs. total po
Post by Tony_O on Jan 24^th, 2003, 2:09pm

It must be that damn metric system!