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(Message started by: BarnabyWilde on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 2:00am)

Title: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 2:00am

I really wanted to take Terrence Newman with this pick, because I feel deep down the Bengals and Marvin Lewis should to take him and draft a QB with their second pick. But, I feel that he is the best player on the board and the Bengals will take him.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 6:59am

Once again, the Lions pick is a no-brainer, but the Texans pick, which seemed to be a no-brainer a month ago, may have changed... let's see what the GRIDIRON thinks!

[smiley=checkin.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 8:51am

"David Carr can't continue to get hit like he did last year, and I think the Texans need to get a good tackle or running back, but unless they trade down, they won't get either in the first round. Suggs may have had a poor pre-draft workout, but I still think he will have the most impact of any rookie defender next season. "

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 11:40am

The Bears really wanted to trade out of the 4th spot but were unable to. So instead, they went with the best player available theory. Not a popular pick with the Chicago fans, as the fans felt they needed D-line help and a QB.

As a side benefit, they do enjoy screwing the Cowboys.......

100% chance the Bears will take a QB in second round.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 4:47pm

The Cardinals need receiver help again! Boston is gone, Jenkins is unhappy, Sanders is a bust... time to bring in Andre Johnson.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 5:24pm

The Jaguars need to do something about their wide receiver sitch, especially considering the fact that Jimmy Smith is no spring [smiley=chicken.gif] . They have done a decent job going about repairing their defense this offseason via free-agency. It still needs work, but... As for Taylor Jacobs, well, historically Florida wideouts :P . I also think that Washington's physical dimensions and attributes are more impressive! [smiley=yes.gif] All of that explanation coming from an NFL draft [smiley=dunce.gif] or, to be euphemistic, [smiley=newbie.gif] .

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 6:32pm

"Melvin Tuten did an adequate job last season, but he is a much better fit as a backup. Gross is a natural athlete and a fantastic run blocker. In the passing game, he has good, quick footwork and excellent balance."

Also, I think just like my pick with Washington on Rex Grossman, the pick with Minnesota is quite odd. The Vikings do NOT need a TE as they got two good blockers and a go receiving TE to begin with instead the Vikings need a lot of help on defense, and cornerback Marcus Trufant is a big possibility, but with the signing of Denard Walker via free agency, I think they'll take the best available defensive lineman and grab a corner later on the first day. Robertson and Chris Hovan would be a disruptive force on the inside.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 8:28pm

I'll admit the Vikes selection of Joppru was a bit unexpected :o ... but that is the beauty of this thing... anything goes.

I would be interested in some reasoning behind the pick. I like Joppru as a pass-catching TE, but wouldn't expect him to be picked until 3rd or 4th round... not top 10 overall.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 2^nd, 2003, 9:34pm

I am going to guess that the person who picked him is a Michigan fan.......and there is no way in any world that the TE would go that early. Minnesota is actually sold at TE. The need help EVERYWHERE else except QB's.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 1:36am

Seattle is jumping for joy with Kennedy still on the board. Fills a big need!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 2:08am

The Rams go with the best on the board with the Robertson pick. They have made progress this offseason in shoring up their o-line by getting OT Kyle Turley in a (fairly cheap) trade and, though they could use cornerback help, their choices were not very good at this point. So, they went with overall defensive help and took the best defensive player available at this point.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 1:12pm

BW, li'l ole' me didn't go and spoil your party, did I? You weren't plannin' on takin' Robertson with the very next pick, the Jets' pick, were ya'? [smiley=shiteatingrin.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 2:45pm

Tallman Gardner? I would love to start hearing some explanations on some of these picks...

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 8:14pm

San Diego is only a left tackle away from having a very potent offense. Steinbach has the versatility to play T or G, and seems to have put the injuries earlier in his career behind him. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the best tackle in the draft.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by grimreaper99 on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 11:05pm

well men i will plead total insanity on my selection of joppru for the vikings i was actually thinking about sleeping or something else sorry guys major brain fart.

the selection of gardner for the patroits was due to inside info from deep inside the patroits lockerroom. I was told that they like this kid and may select him in the first

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 4^th, 2003, 5:17pm

Tallman Gardner in the 4th round maybe. I am very confused by your picks, Reaper.

Joppru and Gardner?

Don't you think the Vikes need every position but TE and QB with Chamberlin and Kleinsasser?

Don't you think the Pats need defense? They have the oldest D in the league. Need secondary help AND LB help. The top two LB are still on the board. I am 99.999999999999999999999% sure the Pats would take any defensive player over Gardner. Even if they needed another WR with Brown, Patten, Branch et al.., have you ever heard of Taylor Jacobs, Brandon Lloyd, Boldin, Bryant Johnson, or Teyo Johnson????

Just for kicks, i got the draft compilations...

WR: AVG= their average draft spot.

Rank AVG Player School
1 2.00 Charles Rogers Michigan State
2 7.40 Andre Johnson Miami
3 17.00 Taylor Jacobs Florida
4 24.50 Brandon Lloyd Illinois
5 25.00 Anquan Boldin FSU
6 25.50 Kelley Washington Tennessee
7 30.50 Bryant Johnson Penn State
8 31.00 Teyo Johnson Stanford

What really gets me, Reaper, is that you seem to have some interesting insight on all your other posts. I am truly gladyou joined this site cause you do have good comments and good participation.

Oh well.....at least we're having fun.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 4^th, 2003, 6:15pm

Okay, Reapman Grim definitely has earned the criticism, the censure, he is receiving. That having been said, this thing is kind of dying out. Let's stop spending so much time getting on his case and PICK! It is clear at this point in time that waiting for others to join in is pointless, even counterproductive if people who want to contribute, BUT really don't follow the goings-on of the NFL draft, make picks (case in point, perhaps). While complaining about Reapman, the draft has COMPLETELY stalled. Those who are really into it and "in the know", get on it. Get this thing back goin' and try to provide our visitors with the best you can give 'em and stop whinin' about Reapman and waiting around for perhaps more Reapmen, so to speak, to join in (and muck things up... that is the concern, right?)! Just pick!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 4^th, 2003, 7:31pm

Allright.....

I thought our only Chief fan should pick Kansas pick, but since some people seem to be in a hurry.......

The Kansas Chiefs in a no brainer pick EJ Henderson. #1 LB in the draft. He will really help out KC defense which needs all the help it can get.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 4^th, 2003, 7:57pm

The Saints go D with both of their picks. Bailey can start right away, Woolfolk has tremendous upside and is still learning. With some experience, he can be great.

And yes Steve, I was going to take Robertson with the Jets pick. [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 4^th, 2003, 8:27pm

Okay, we got this sucker back goin'. Reapman Grim [smiley=skull.gif] , go ahead and make a "good" pick for the Patriots [smiley=patriot.gif] and then I'll go for my team, the Broncos [smiley=Elway.gif] !

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 4^th, 2003, 11:09pm

Doh... I posted a pick for the Pats before I read this. Hope you don't mind my pick Grim.

I think the Pats are salivating over the fact that a quality DT like Sullivan is still on the board. Sullivan is a nice complement to Seymour and will immediately upgrade a questionable D-line.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by grimreaper99 on Apr 4^th, 2003, 11:24pm

hey men it is me the grimreaper. As the college players are not my forte as my draft selections have shone. I shall refrain from picking anymore selections. I am watching this draft with closely as those of you who are drafting seem to know what is going on. Sorry if I messed up the draft. I'll try and make it up else where. Thanks guys . carry on

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 4^th, 2003, 11:38pm

on 04/04/03 at 23:24:03, grimreaper99 wrote:

No worries, friend! I am kind of a [smiley=dunce.gif] when it comes to this stuff myself. I actually only thought one of your picks was "way" off, that's being Joppru. Leftwich was a great pick and, personally, I did not think that Gardner was all that bad. Truth is, the Patriots could use some help at wideout!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 4^th, 2003, 11:56pm

How couldn't my Broncos take DE Jerome McDougle in this "fantasy" [smiley=hippy.gif] draft? God, if this were only to really happen! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 4^th, 2003, 11:57pm

Wayne Hunter- The Browns need a solid offensive tackle so they can move Ross Verba back to guard. Hunter is raw, but his pre-draft workouts have caused him to soar into the first round.

Btw, nice steal in McDougle this late Steg. He's a definite Top 15 pick, and should have gone to New England.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 5^th, 2003, 1:04am

Top priorities aside (as I really do not know what they are for the Bills), you just can't pass up getting this high-quality of an offensive tackle this late!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 5^th, 2003, 10:18am

Had a tough tiime choosing between Long and Chris Kelsay of Nebraska here for the G-Men. They are real him on him, but if Long were available, I think they'd have a tough call to make...

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 5^th, 2003, 1:47pm

I hope my pick of DE Michael Haynes for the 49ers was okay. I just don't see how they could pass him up in this draft. They definitely need help on defense in general and particularly in their pass rush, especially with the loss of pass-rushing DT Dana Stubblefield. I am going with replacing the attribute/need rather than the position. :-/

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 5^th, 2003, 3:17pm

on 04/05/03 at 13:47:51, StegRock wrote:

Looks like a good pick to me Steg. The Niners could definitely use a pass rusher to take some pressure off their secondary.

There are only two ways to draft... choose a need or take the best available player. You may have covered both of those strategies with that pcik Steg.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 5^th, 2003, 3:24pm

The Steelers are surprised that Larry Johnson was still unclaimed, and knew that Tennessee would be eyeing him as well.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 5^th, 2003, 3:31pm

on 04/05/03 at 15:24:19, Philly wrote:

The Steelers are surprised that Larry Johnson was still unclaimed, and knew that Tennessee would be eyeing him as well.

Really, I wonder who would have planted that seed! [smiley=awwgee.gif] ;)

By the way, "Phil Lee", thanks for the support on the picks. I am just figuring this out as I go along here! [smiley=newbie.gif] [smiley=dunce.gif] ??? [smiley=graduate.gif] [smiley=threed.gif] [smiley=crystalball.gif] [smiley=sultan.gif] [smiley=zenmaster.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Apr 5^th, 2003, 5:30pm

I have no clue what is going on so far this year with the draft - done no homework whatsoever. That being said, I would love the Steelers getting Larry Johnson. I don't see Amos as a long term solution and the Bus is injury riddled and about out of gas. L.J. should have won the Heisman. Perfect fit for Cowher's team.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Apr 5^th, 2003, 5:35pm

on 04/04/03 at 17:17:21, DirkDiggler wrote:

Just for kicks, i got the draft compilations...

WR: AVG= their average draft spot.

Rank AVG Player School
1 2.00 Charles Rogers Michigan State
2 7.40 Andre Johnson Miami
3 17.00 Taylor Jacobs Florida
4 24.50 Brandon Lloyd Illinois
5 25.00 Anquan Boldin FSU
6 25.50 Kelley Washington Tennessee
7 30.50 Bryant Johnson Penn State
8 31.00 Teyo Johnson Stanford

Where did you find this? I want to take a draft crash course and this type of analysis would help.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 5^th, 2003, 7:50pm

I personally disagree with this Steeler's pick. I feel like they will draft a DE. They won't go two years in a row with passing up on one.

1) Corey Redding Texas 6' 4" 265 lbs.

2) Jerome McDougle Miami 6' 3" 270 lbs.

3) Tyler Brayton Colorado 6' 5" 270 lbs.

Those three guys are a possibilty.

If they don't draft a DE, then it's a D-Back, if it's not that QB... I think Kyle Boller may even be MORE likely then a DE. Then if all else fails, Larry Johnson will fall nicely into this lot.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 1:35am

The Titans are pissed off at the Steelers for taking their guy, so they go best WR on the board to replace Dyson.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 2:02am

[smiley=jawdroppin.gif]
Three Penn State guys in a row... CRAZY! [smiley=gonecrazy.gif] That'll change right now, though! ;)

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 2:10am

Rex Grossman rumors aside, the Pack went with the smart [smiley=money.gif] !!!!! Boller is "the" (read, long "e") guy to succeed Favre!!!!!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:27am

I'm pretty sure the Eagles won't draft Kenny Peterson if he is still around because it makes too much sense. He is a hybrid who can play DE and DT (much like Brandon Whiting and Darwin Walker already do for the Eagles). They need some size on the DE opposite smaller DEs like ND Kalu and Derrick Burgess.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by grimreaper99 on Apr 7^th, 2003, 8:13am

the raiders were in need of a top db to replace the ones lost in free agency and doss is a solid choice here the second pick is one that al davis is known for they can take a chance on mcghee based on the fact they have wheatly and garner and do not have to rush him into action they can let him heal 100% and have a awsome back when it is time for garner to move on

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 8:41am

The fact that Philadelphia won't take Peterson makes Marvin Lewis happy. Cicny needs a bookend De to team with Justin Smith.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 2:30pm

I believe I made the same exact pick in our 1st-ever NFL mock draft. Reason being, the Lions need a running back of the future... badly. Onterrio Smith is from Oregon, so is Joey Harrington. Perhaps a little chemistry there, particularly important since in the West Coast Offense catching the ball out of the backfield, something I hear Smith does VERY well and another reason for the Lions to take him, is of utmost importance! In addition, I have heard that of this running back class Onterrio Smith is the "shiftiest," i.e. has a little Barry Sanders in him! He should be their guy... if I have any say! >:( [smiley=wiseguy.gif] ;)

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 3:25pm

Whoops!! Sorry guys!!1 I guess that's what happens when you pick after being up all night at work!

on 04/07/03 at 08:41:06, BarnabyWilde wrote:

The fact that Philadelphia won't take Peterson makes Marvin Lewis happy. Cicny needs a bookend De to team with Justin Smith.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 7^th, 2003, 3:36pm

No problem BW. I was mocking the Eagles management in my commentary. I still think my pick of Peterson at 30 makes sense even if the Eagles won't.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 7^th, 2003, 5:59pm

I guess it is appropriate that my 100th post is about the team I report on regularly...

This is an inside report from here in Houston...the media (and Charley Casserly, Texans GM) have been very high on Calico's jock. Apparently, he's one of the biggest WR's in the draft (at 6'4" and 220), which matches the Texans' desperate need for a possession WR to match Bradford's speed and elusiveness.

I don't think the Texans wait for him to drop to the third round unless someone like Larry Johnson or Onterrio Smith drops to them here. I predict that Mack will be a Texan soon, which will fill their gap at RB.

If the Texans take Rogers or Johnson at #1, they would ignore Calico here.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 6:37pm

He already is...signed late last week!!

on 04/07/03 at 17:59:01, Jetdoc wrote:

I predict that Mack will be a Texan soon, which will fill their gap at RB.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:13pm

The Cowboys need a playmaker at corner, and although Wilson doesn't have great speed or size, he does make plays.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:15pm

Just wanted to reiterate this over here...

At this point, in order to keep this sucker movin' (on into the later rounds ;D ), I think we can safely choose with just ONE pick of separation. I would still refrain from choosing twice in a row, unless it is one team with two consecutive picks of course. I would love if this thing went like FIVE rounds! [smiley=ohshit.gif] With that in mind, someone might want to provide a link with the current order for the WHOLE draft... [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:23pm

A follow-up on my post immediately above...

Someone's gotta' immediately get the current order for, at least, Round 2 if we are going to continue. I did not even know the Jags picked next, after the Cowboys. Can someone get on that? I just have TOO MUCH on my plate right now! Thanks in advance! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:24pm

Here you go...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/round?round=2

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/round?round=3

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/round?round=4

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/round?round=5

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/round?round=6

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/round?round=7

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:25pm

looks like we skipped the Cardinals, who pick after the Texans, so I will go fix that now...

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:35pm

on 04/07/03 at 19:15:28, StegRock wrote:

Steg--

I love your enthusiasm, but I think we should be happy to get through the second round at half assed guesses. Just my opinion....

Here is a link with the draft order:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/round?round=2

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:37pm

I fixed it so it is back on track....Dirk, make the next pick!!!!!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:42pm

on 04/07/03 at 19:37:44, BarnabyWilde wrote:

I fixed it so it is back on track....Dirk, make the next pick!!!!!

No....you deleted my CORRECT PICK!!

and my commentary on this thread.

Since the Cowboys chose in the wrong order, I went back and chose for the Cards. After the Cards pick that I made, the Jags were next.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:42pm

Guys, SORRY for sending this thing temporarily off track and ALL of the residual effects. It was my "the Cowboys are on the clock" statement after I made the Bears pick that threw things off! :'(

Dirk, I especially apologize to you... Please check your "Private Messages" a.s.a.p. :-[

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:45pm

on 04/07/03 at 19:42:01, DirkDiggler wrote:

Dirk, we had corrections on top of corrections going on... PLEASE check your "Private Messages"... :-[

In the end, going about it the way we did made the most sense. Again, sorry! :-[

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:47pm

Not sure how I picked for the Cowboys, but my pick for the Jags is right... [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:50pm

That was me Philly. Sorry, I am real anal about the order of things. I tried to fix it, but you and Dirk were too quick with following my pick. Sorry to the two of you, I just tried to fix it. :-/

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 7:50pm

on 04/07/03 at 19:47:53, Philly wrote:

Not sure how I picked for the Cowboys, but my pick for the Jags is right... [smiley=shrug.gif]

That was one of the "corrections on top of the corrections". If you want to change the pick or do something about it, do so NOW... before we move on! [smiley=bow.gif] Otherwise, let's move on!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 7^th, 2003, 8:09pm

No, it's fine... but if I was really going to pick for the Cowboys, I would have taken a punter.

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2003, 8:59pm

Okay, both of the cumulative lists on the first pages of our NFL Mock Draft threads have been updated and corrected! As BW said on the other thread, WHEW!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 7^th, 2003, 10:18pm

Alright...thanks BW and Steg for getting this back on track. Can one of you post the second round draft order on the draft page?

With the 41st pick, the Ravens got a steal. Jeff Faine, Center from Notre Dame. This guy has the potential to play inside line as well.... The Raven are excited that they will have a quality line to protect Leftwich.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 7^th, 2003, 10:35pm

Seattle needs an ILB who can anchor the D and play the run well. Hayes has a ton of ability, and should challenge for a starting job right away.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 8^th, 2003, 4:19pm

on 04/07/03 at 18:37:37, BarnabyWilde wrote:

He already is...signed late last week!!

Jetdoc...your up to date information on the Houston Texans.

CATCH IT!!!!! [smiley=alcoholic.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 8^th, 2003, 11:14pm

Why are you guys stickin' me with the fuckin' Bills every time? [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] Sheesh! [smiley=lickmyass.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 9^th, 2003, 11:12am

The Fins address their defensive needs by taking a big linebacker (6'-3", 240#) from a small school. Pierson is an underclassman who led his team in sacks each of the past two years and can add some serious pass rush from the outside to complement Jason Taylor.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 9^th, 2003, 6:44pm

Someone get up and pick for the Saints, pleeeeeeeeeease, so I can pick for MY beloved Donkies! [smiley=smitten.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 10^th, 2003, 1:10pm

on 04/09/03 at 18:44:38, StegRock wrote:

Someone get up and pick for the Saints, pleeeeeeeeeease, so I can pick for MY beloved Donkies! [smiley=smitten.gif]

Tough choice here for New Orleans among several tackles that are pretty damn similar in Foster, Stinchcomb and Wilson. I like Foster as the better of the Georgia duo, but I've seen Stinchcomb go ahead of him as well.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 10^th, 2003, 3:21pm

The Browns filled a big need with an OT in round 1. They still need help at OG, DT, TE, and DB. Warren should replace Orpheus Roye to team with Greald Warren to really fill the middle of the line.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 10^th, 2003, 5:54pm

With their 2nd round pick, the Pats took their second defense player already. Their defense is so old and did not perform too well last year. They have realized you can't always go after the 30+ crowd of players picked up after the June 1st cuts. Trying to rebuild....

They almost took a running back, but decided Chris Brown, et al may be around next round. Not too many teams need a running back or will take one this high.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 10^th, 2003, 10:32pm

Guys, did the Saints and Patriots make some kind of trade where they switched second-round picks? I ask because according to ESPN's order for round two of the NFL draft, we have the Saints and Patriots picks exactly switched in our mock! What's up with this? It's not a biggie. I say we press forth, but I might somehow want to reflect this switch if it is in fact due to a trade.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 10^th, 2003, 10:55pm

The Giants go DT and DE with their first 2 picks, adding much needed depth to the line. This will enable them to rotate Hamilton and Holmes with the fresher legs, improving the line's performance over 60 minutes.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 11^th, 2003, 1:54am

No they didn't switch. A certain dummy just typed it wrong! Sorry...guess we can just leave it as is... [smiley=alcoholic.gif]

on 04/10/03 at 22:32:10, StegRock wrote:

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 11^th, 2003, 11:45am

The Niners need some help on the O-Line. The fact that a blue-chipper like Brett Williams was still available makes new coach Dennis Erickson very happy (even if Williams is a Seminole).

Williams is big 6-5, 320# and is rated as high as #2 on some of the OT prospect lists.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 11^th, 2003, 3:50pm

Tony Dungy and the Colts continue to shore up that weak interior defensive line of theirs by increasing their odds of success at the position of Defensive Tackle and taking Clemson's Nick Eason.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Apr 11^th, 2003, 3:55pm

Okay, before I get lynched for that decision on the Steelers...

I don't think there is any way that Suggs falls to the late second round given his performance thus far. If the Steelers truly take Larry Johnson in the first round (which I doubt), they obviously won't take Suggs here. If Suggs falls this far, I can guarantee that other teams trade up with Pittsburgh to get him.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 11^th, 2003, 4:53pm

I noticed that Suggs was still available but I haven't selected for anyone who would need to pick him recently.

I guess maybe I miscalculated the Steelers needs in the first round a bit. But the RB status still needs to be addressed. Zeruoue is not the long-term answer at the position.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 12^th, 2003, 2:50pm

How could the Titans pass Dallas Clark up? Frank Wychek is getting old and I ain't sold on Erron Kinney. Not to mention, Dallas Clark is very Wychek-ish, in that he has played some quarterback in his time. We all know how Jeff Fisher likes to use his tight ends creatively. Ultimately, though, this guy was just too [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] to pass up at this point. [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 12^th, 2003, 3:53pm

The Eagles will most likely take Tallman Gardner at this spot as they need a #2 WR, but since he was taken much earlier in the 1st round, they choose the next best option in Anquan Boldin.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 12^th, 2003, 8:57pm

Most of the mocks I've seen don't have the Eagles taking a WR - and I believe it. They don't think they have any need for WR, especially with a 2nd round pick.

If the Eagles don't get a TE in round 1, they'll probably grab LJ Smith or Dallas Clark (both should be available at 61).

They'll also want a DE early. It's a deep draft for DE and DT, so there will be some quality still available. I was tempted to take Akbar Gbaja-Biamila with the #62 pick (from GB) just for the irony of it. (I also love his size 6-5, 290#, but the Eagles seem to prefer the puny little DEs - much to my dismay.)

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 13^th, 2003, 12:35am

I dunno Philly, my main premise for drafting a WR for the Eagles was because I saw it on a Mock Draft.

Also, is there any reason why I was not allowed to make two picks, when clearly it was done before? ???

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 13^th, 2003, 12:44am

also philly, I ALSO drafted a DE for the Eagles... though apparently someone editied my post.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 13^th, 2003, 8:54am

I think precedent was set for the 2 picks in a row if they belonged to the same team. When I logged in, I only saw one pick for you, so I went ahead and picked the second one.

Also, there is ZERO chance the Eagles will take Tallman Gardner. Coach Reid has no tolerance for players who he deems as having "character issues". Gardner was recently arrested, which would only move him further down the Eagles draft board.

I don't disagree with the Eagles desperate need for a good receiver, but I know the Eagles coaching staff says there is no need for improvement at that position.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 13^th, 2003, 3:04pm

on 04/13/03 at 00:44:42, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

also philly, I ALSO drafted a DE for the Eagles... though apparently someone editied my post.

It was edited because you picked a player already picked. Look at the list on the "Resource Thread", closely. You will see that the DE you selected, Brayton or whatever, was taken quite awhile ago. It has nothing to do with making two picks in a row for a team that has two picks in a row. That is fine as it has been throughout! Also, may I request that you include the college with your selections and try to follow the exact same format. By not doing so, it just makes more work for me when I append your picks to the list on the "Resource Thread"! Thank you for your anticipated understanding and cooperation!

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 13^th, 2003, 4:04pm

I did have the colleges listed on there. Anquan Boldin is from Florida State... you may have accidentally deleted it.

Brayton? I thought I had drafted Clint Mitchell, DE Florida? My bad... it was late and I probably mis posted the guy I was supposed to pick.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 13^th, 2003, 5:52pm

on 04/13/03 at 16:04:50, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

Key, you did not have the schools listed, bro'! I did not change anything in your post AT ALL except for deleting the pick of Brayton. And, trust me, dude, I know you did not put the colleges because I took the time to go to ESPN and find out myself. I may be anally-retentive, but I am not a fool, moreover, a blind one. Anyway,... thanks for kindly noting my requests.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 14^th, 2003, 8:16am

The Bucs finally get a pick in the draft. They take Mr. Combine, Justin Fargas. Let me know what you think of this pick KJ. I know they need some RB help...

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 14^th, 2003, 8:35am

I like the pick of a Running Back Philly, though I honestly feel the Bucs, if the Raiders don't do so, will take a shot at McGahee.

The reason behind is this, I think, is that they still have Pittman, Alstott, and just re-signed Stecker. I have serious doubts that whoever they draft will play any sort of substantial minutes, disregarding injuries of course. Take a shot at McGahee, an obvious Top 5 pick pre-injury, wouldn't be a "huge" risk, in that they have a solid RB core to begin with.

Justin Fargas, may be the better RB now, but if thinks work out for McGahee, he'll be the better RB of tommorow. I dunno, that's what I think. ;D

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 14^th, 2003, 9:37am

I agree with you 100% on that KJ. But I'd be VERY surprised if McGahee falls to the end of round 2. I believe the Raiders will grab him at the end of the first round (if he is still available then). If not, then the Pats will definitely grab him in round 2.

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 14^th, 2003, 4:12pm

This is turning out to be a good draft so far for Detroit.

First Rogers (I see now he has some sort of drug issues) and then back to back Pac 10 selections with Smith and Barnett. Three solid players so far...

Title: Re: 2nd NFL Draft Mock Commentary
Post by Philly on Apr 16^th, 2003, 10:43am

The Cowboys get a player at #69 overall. Jarrett Johnson's motor is going 110% on every play. He plays smart and hard and has a tremendous work ethic.