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(Message started by: StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:41pm)
Title: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 12:41pm
Fellas, let's keep ALL commentary on the NFL Draft on this thread.  So far, it has gone as expected.  Not much to talk about that has not already been prior to the start of the Draft, frankly speaking!  BUT, when it does go awry, let's talk about it here on this thread!

Thanks for all of your anticipated cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:03pm
BAH! Cardinals trade their rights to Suggs away for Sullivan over Kennedy and Williams! :( Sullivan was the Pats' guy!! ARGHHHH

Jon
- mad right now
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:05pm
Sorry that wasn't clear-- but I know you all know what I meant. Cardinals get Saints' picks, Saints take Sullivan...  ???
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:09pm
Now, I am gathering that the Saints pick of Sullivan was a weak one, no less they made a trade to move up and do it.  I also kind of gather that this was a bad move by the Cardinals too in even making the trade.  Could you guys put this in perspective for me?  I mean I know the names, but since this is not really my forte, I really do NOT have a "feel" for how bad these moves are!  PLEASE, help me understand! [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:15pm
Minnesota?!?!?!  ??? Two years in a row!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:18pm
UNBELIEVABLE DRAFT!!!!

5 Picks in less than 4 minutes.

Vikings miss their pick, Terrell Suggs goes to Baltimore(what a defense they will have), Trufant goes to Seattle, Leftwich to Jax.  All I can say is WOW!!!

I do have to say this, Ozzie Newsome is an incredible GM for Baltimore.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:18pm
Oh, this is gettin' crazy now!  The Vikings have missed their pick.  Two teams, the Jaguars and Panthers, picked in between.  Then, the Vikings do not pick Trufant!  This is all seemin' "whack!"  And, moreover, I have to admit that I agree with Mortenson's take on the Jaguars' taking Leftwich.  I like Leftwich A LOT, but I do NOT like him in that system, and contrary to what Dennis Green said, system does matter.  How 'bout the Vikings pick?  The fans did not react well at all!  Now, given all the typing I have done here, the Seahawks have already picked, as well.  They got Trufant... seems to be that they are the big winners of this stretch that began with the Vikings missing their pick!  Is that right?  Blahhhhhh! [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:22pm
Thank God this draft is going by quick... I was starting to fall asleep...

Jax great pick in Leftwich

I love the pick of Baltimore with Terrell Suggs.

As the Minny "blunder" I assume they knew who they wanted and just didn't want to pay big money for the pick.  :-/
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:23pm

on 04/26/03 at 13:09:25, StegRock wrote:
Now, I am gathering that the Saints pick of Sullivan was a weak one, no less they made a trade to move up and do it.  I also kind of gather that this was a bad move by the Cardinals too in even making the trade.  Could you guys put this in perspective for me?  I mean I know the names, but since this is not really my forte, I really do NOT have a "feel" for how bad these moves are!  PLEASE, help me understand! [smiley=bow.gif]


I'm not sure I agree with Cards move, but two mid round firsts seems to be very adequate compensation for one top 5 first round.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:24pm

on 04/26/03 at 13:18:44, StegRock wrote:
Oh, this is gettin' crazy now!  The Vikings have missed their pick.  Two teams, the Jaguars and Panthers, picked in between.  Then, the Vikings do not pick Trufant!  This is all seemin' "whack!"  And, moreover, I have to admit that I agree with Mortenson's take on the Jaguars' taking Leftwich.  I like Leftwich A LOT, but I do NOT like him in that system, and contrary to what Dennis Green said, system does matter.  How 'bout the Vikings pick?  The fans did not react well at all!  Now, given all the typing I have done here, the Seahawks have already picked, as well.  They got Trufant... seems to be that they are the big winners of this stretch that began with the Vikings missing their pick!  Is that right?  Blahhhhhh! [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]


Dam, I think that Baltimore and Seattle are the big winners.  Granted, I think Baltimore wanted Leftwich, but Terrell is excellent value.  Trufant is a nice pick too.

I am not too excited about Leftwich in Jax either.  He will be on the bench for a while where as in Baltimore he had good chance to start sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:26pm
Two mid first rounders in a draft that has only "stars" in the top 15, after that it's only average players. Awful move for the Arizona... their organization is a disaster.

Great pick by StL in Jimmy Kennedy, that defense is starting to become unbelievable.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:29pm
Also, a thing that some of you may like. ESPN.com provides a download to something very very similar that you would find on ESPN TV the Bottomline. It takes up some space, but, it's always up to date, I got the StL draft pick as I was typing on the bottomline.

It provides not only stories but scores. Look for it on the main page of espn.com and under downloads... all the way at the bottom left of the page. Great download, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:42pm
Patriots - Ty Warren...  Anybody able to explain this to me like I am a [smiley=newbie.gif] ?
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:47pm
With DE Haynes gone now  [smiley=dejected.gif] {Bears} KC best be grabbing either of the 2 lb's  on the board. EJ Henderson or a bit more of a "ranking" stretch, Boss Bailey.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:48pm
Is Chicago STUPID?????????

Michael Hayes?   Southern University?  Why not wait til the 3rd round for him?  If you are going to trade at least make it worth your while.



AS I TYPE, Eagles moved up to #15.  THANK GOD!!!!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:48pm
Looks like you Philly fans are picking at #15 :\ Trade with Chargers.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:50pm
I bet the Eagles take Jerome McDougle!!  Lets see.........
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:52pm
I am a genius.  I frgured they moved ahead of KC to take him.  I am very thankful of this move as a Philly fan.  They had to make this deal.  Eagles get a quality player.  Definitely an A+ move.

Smart move for SD too.  They are going OT and only Gross has come off the board.  They may even look even smarter when they trade the Eagles pick to the Texans.  Let's see if I am right.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:57pm
Still waiting for that Ty Warren question of mine above to be answered...

BUT, did you just hear what Mort said regarding K.C.?  Holmes... a ?  Could very well go running back... like somebody around here has been professing? [smiley=awwgee.gif] And, just now Jaws just said the same thing!  Oh my!!!  I think, as I said before, it is going to be Willis McGahee!!!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 1:59pm

on 04/26/03 at 13:57:21, StegRock wrote:
Still waiting for that Ty Warren question of mine above to be answered...

BUT, did you just hear what Mort said regarding K.C.?  Holmes... a ?  Could very well go running back... like somebody around here has been professing? [smiley=awwgee.gif] And, just now Jaws just said the same thing!  Oh my!!!  I think, as I said before, it is going to be Willis McGahee!!!


I do not want them to go RB, but if they do McGahee would be my choice. Priest is fine, draft defense.  [smiley=chief.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:03pm
The ONLY thing I kow about Warren is I do prefer Ty to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:03pm

on 04/26/03 at 13:57:21, StegRock wrote:
Still waiting for that Ty Warren question of mine above to be answered...

BUT, did you just hear what Mort said regarding K.C.?  Holmes... a ?  Could very well go running back... like somebody around here has been professing? [smiley=awwgee.gif] And, just now Jaws just said the same thing!  Oh my!!!  I think, as I said before, it is going to be Willis McGahee!!!


By the way, my second choice of a RB for K.C. would be Lee Suggs!  Remember all of this is coming from the guy who has Priest Holmes in the GBRFL! :o
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:05pm

on 04/26/03 at 13:42:19, StegRock wrote:
Patriots - Ty Warren...  Anybody able to explain this to me like I am a [smiley=newbie.gif] ?



Not a bad pick.  I had him going very late in the draft, but it seems that everyone was taking DT.  HE is a solid player.  They probably would have taken a DE like McDougle, but they needed a DT more.  

I still think Chicago made the DUMBEST moves in the draft.  Trading down to take a receiver that would be available later in the draft.  
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:07pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:03:41, StegRock wrote:
By the way, my second choice of a RB for K.C. would be Lee Suggs!  Remember all of this is coming from the guy who has Priest Holmes in the GBRFL! :o



I think KC is going to go Linebacker. Boss Bailey and EJ Henderson.  Not one has been selected yet.  Very strange. T think Chiefs going RB in second round( with Suggs if available)
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:08pm
I knew Pittsburgh wasn't going to take Larry Johnson like they were saying!  They're future running back will eventually be... [smiley=spchef.gif] Ron Dayne! [smiley=ohshit.gif] And, he will be good... as good as Jerome Bettis was during these late years (not last year) when he just would NOT go away regardless of the naysayers!  You heard it hear first! [smiley=yes.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:12pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:05:25, DirkDiggler wrote:
I still think Chicago made the DUMBEST moves in the draft.  Trading down to take a receiver that would be available later in the draft.


What receiver? [smiley=lost.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:13pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:08:02, StegRock wrote:
They're future running back will eventually be... [smiley=spchef.gif] Ron Dayne! [smiley=ohshit.gif] And, he will be good... as good as Jerome Bettis was during these late years (not last year) when he just would NOT go away regardless of the naysayers!  You heard it hear first! [smiley=yes.gif]


Are you smoking drugs while watching the draft?  LOL!



Well, the Cards on the board.  Quality players on the board still.  I see them taking a LB(Boss Bailey) and WR in Kelly Washington.  
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:14pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:12:35, StegRock wrote:
What receiver? [smiley=lost.gif]


They took Michael Haynes out of Southern University with the 14th pick.  No way he should be taken that early.  IN addition, WR is not their biggest need. Oh brother.  I would be so pissed if I was a Chicago fan.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:24pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:14:49, DirkDiggler wrote:
They took Michael Haynes out of Southern University with the 14th pick.  No way he should be taken that early.  IN addition, WR is not their biggest need. Oh brother.  I would be so pissed if I was a Chicago fan.


Michael Haynes is a defensive end... right?  Or am I missing some logic here? [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:33pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:24:02, StegRock wrote:
Michael Haynes is a defensive end... right?  Or am I missing some logic here? [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]



HAHAHA.....Chicago is not stupid.  ESPN was wrong.  They had a WR from Southern as the pick.  They changed it back to Michael Haynes.  When I went back to get his name, they had it right.   I typed my being pissed on an earlier message and had his name as Michael Hayes.

ESPN had MICHAEL HAYES as the pick.  Someone on ESPN made a typo.  Michael Hayes is from Southern University.  (I had never heard of him.....)
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:46pm
Okay, my [smiley=newbie.gif] take on the last few picks...

Are the Cardinals the cheapest team ever?  Trying to get bargains that they are going to have to overpay, anyway, based on draft position, in the first round! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]

Then, Boller to Baltimore!  Don't like it!  Again, like Leftwich, I do not think he fits Billick's system that well.  He would make a much better West Coast Offense quarterback! [smiley=shrug.gif]

But, NOW my Donkeys are [smiley=ontheclock.gif] ...
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 2:50pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:46:23, StegRock wrote:
Okay, my [smiley=newbie.gif] take on the last few picks...

Are the Cardinals the cheapest team ever?  Trying to get bargains that they are going to have to overpay, anyway, based on draft position, in the first round! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]

Then, Boller to Baltimore!  Don't like it!  Again, like Leftwich, I do not think he fits Billick's system that well.  He would make a much better West Coast Offense quarterback! [smiley=shrug.gif]

But, NOW my Donkeys are [smiley=ontheclock.gif] ...


Just when I said Ozzie Newsome was a great GM he goes and over pays for Boller.  A second rounder and 1st rounder next year?  I am VERY interested to see how Boller does.  He obviously has a good chance to start this year.  

The Patriots are looking like geniuses in this thing.  They have a ton of picks next year already with the quality of the draft being better.  
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:02pm
Looks like the Broncs did ok with the OL pick. Not much glamour going with an o-lineman, but I assume this guy is a pretty good one.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:02pm
Well, as for my Broncos pick, this is where my knowledge is a little, well, muddled at best.  I will say this much, from the professional opinions I had been reading and the professional mock drafts I had been seeing, my donkos were going to go with a lineman, preferably a tackle, here, no matter what, and based on the players they were predicting the Broncos getting, OT George Foster is definitely a significant bump up in quality.  They were talking more like Denver would have to go with the guy from Hawaii or the other guy in Georgia, Stinchcomb.  Foster was looked upon as a better prospect than both of them!  So, in conclusion, GREAT JOB, Mike, Pat and crew! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Walker, my Broncos kindred spirit [smiley=zenmaster.gif] , your take?
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:21pm
Well....It happened to my surprise.  4 QB's taken in the first round and way earlier than I thought they would go.  BUT, this happened because of trades.  Chicago suddenly had a second pick and Baltimore made a second pick.  I am not surprised by the order:

Palmer
Leftwich
Boller
Grossman

Now it makes me wonder what Greenbay is gonna do now their QB of the future is gone.



My prediction for the Bills pick:

TE, Tennessee, Whitten
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:24pm
Agree with your idea on the Bills pick, DD!

As for the Bears pick, I really like it!  Temper your expectations, Kordell owners!  This marks the beginning of the end for Kordell, and the beginning has not really even begun yet!  Put him on the trading block... like NOW! [smiley=yes.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:28pm
Willis McGahee to Buffalo?  Oh my.......

What the heck does this do fantasy wise?  Henry just got an extension.  They just signed Gary.  I have no idea where I would draft McGahee in a KEEPER draft now.  Henry is ONLY 24 years old.  I don't get this pick AT ALL.   So many questions...............

Is it a Deuce McAllister/Ricky Williams situation??

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Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:29pm
The Bills take Willis McGahee! [smiley=ohshit.gif] Talk about cock-blockin' their competition!  Another vet's long-term stock goes down, at least with his current team.  Keeper-league Travis Henry owners, YYYYYOUCH! [smiley=scared.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:43pm
Kyle Boller to Baltimore excellent pick
Leftwich to Jax excellent pick
Willis McGahee to Buffallo excellent pick
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:47pm
Granted my view is fairly naive, but I actually did think Dallas Clark was the best tight end coming out this year.  He just looks like a MONSTER and he is quite versatile... having played QB in high school.  Reminded me of Frank Wychek and I would have liked to see him go to Tennessee, honestly.

On that last note, I think it is lookin' more and more like RB Larry Johnson will fall to the Titans and I think they will follow my lead (from our Mock Draft #1) [smiley=awwgee.gif] and take him, which would be a solid pick-up for them.

Also, one final note, GREAT JOB, fellas! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Our NFL Draft coverage/discussion is some of the best out there with respect to both pith and substance.  Others out there that I have looked over are so full of fluff and meaningless drivel.  Keep up the good work!  It is "quality, not quantity" on "the Gridiron"! [smiley=yes.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:58pm
By the way, the Chiefs should take LB Boss Bailey right now!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 3:59pm

on 04/26/03 at 15:58:21, StegRock wrote:
By the way, the Chiefs should take LB Boss Bailey right now!



Hell yea!  Got to take him!!!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:02pm
I don't like RB Larry Johnson in K.C. AT ALL, period (or exclamation point)!  How 'bout you, 420?
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:02pm
Doh.....Not good for Priest Owners.

So, does Larry Johnson become the #1 Keeper choice?  OR Palmer, Leftwich, Boller Grossman, McGahee?  This has made the upcoming keeper draft confusing.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:05pm
I like L.J. to the Chiefs. Priest is injury-riddled and will NOT be anywhere near as successful as he was last year. As for McGahee, BAH! I hate the move, BUT... the Bills are going to trade away Henry after the season most likely, for a ton of picks; both McGahee will excel with the Bills and Henry will excel with his new team. I can see it as a McAllister/Williams deal. As for Ty Warren, he's a good DT with a TON of upside and potential, but has been slowed with injuries. He'll get past that and next to Seymour will be GREAT. Pats have done REAL well this draft, and with the early 2nd round pick, I can see either Lee Suggs or Musa Smith (if they're still available) being taken or even Boss Bailey or E.J. Henderson (if they're still available.. which they SHOULDN'T BE). Anyhow, keep up the good discussion.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:11pm
Think Titans will take Witten? Just a hunch... Wycheck's getting old...
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:16pm

on 04/26/03 at 13:59:55, FourTwoOh wrote:
Priest is fine...


FourTwoOh, where are you?  What is your take?  The above was your take!  What is it now?  Inquiring minds... uh... I want to know!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:20pm

on 04/26/03 at 16:02:01, StegRock wrote:
I don't like RB Larry Johnson in K.C. AT ALL, period (or exclamation point)!  How 'bout you, 420?


Don't ask me, I'm a now a longtime Houston Texans fan.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:21pm
Hey no jokes but someone on here the other day mentioned Texans being the surprise offense of the year. I am beginning to believe... Andre Johnson, Jabar Gaffney, Corey Bradford, Carr, a little better line, and now Stacey Mack... never know.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:21pm
I like the Giants pick of Joseph. Huge run stopper with double digit sack potential. Didn't think he'd be available at 25...
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:24pm
Yes, but I'd have to say the Ravens have done best selection-wise followed by the Bears, and the Pats have been geniuses pick-acquisition (sp?) wise.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 4:27pm
This one's for you Carl.

What a tool. He's a liar or an idiot. Not a flattering choice, and I certainly don't want to rule out that he's a liar AND an idiot. But is a definrtly at least one of the two.

Eventually I'll get around to how I really feel.   ;D


Carl Peterson ------------> [smiley=dick.bmp]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26th, 2003, 5:28pm
Well, I don't care what the ESPN commentators say about Boss Bailey, I like him in the long-run, and, moreover, I think the Detroit Lions might be the biggest winners so far today!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 5:49pm

on 04/26/03 at 16:21:36, Cirrinone wrote:
Hey no jokes but someone on here the other day mentioned Texans being the surprise offense of the year. I am beginning to believe... Andre Johnson, Jabar Gaffney, Corey Bradford, Carr, a little better line, and now Stacey Mack... never know.



That was me in my mock draft.  And I was not kidding either.  With the potential of those players the Texans could be the sleeper offense of the year.  If Gaffney can step up his performance AND that offense line gets it together(which I think they can) you had better watch out.  I am a fan of Stacey Mack.  I think he will thrive in that offense.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 6:27pm
I agree, but what are they doing taking Bennie Joppru? They already have a solid TE in Billy Miller; they should have taken an OL or even Suggs, someone that could help out Mack and replace him in case of injury. Wells and Allen are absolutely horrible, sorry.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Apr 26th, 2003, 6:49pm
The biggest positive I can put on this is that at least we got 2 additional picks. All indications are we'd have taken Johnson at 16, so taking him at 27 and gaining a 3rd and 6th rounder is clearly advantageous. Doesn't make it good pick, just a less bad pick. Frickin rb in the first, with our defense, what a crock!

IF Priest's injury is career ending, then Priest, Peterson/Vermeil, and the dr.s in Florida who did and reviewed the mri's are all liars and Larry Johnson is bucking extreme odds to reach "productive" in his rookie year.  I don't buy that Priest is done, and that is the only scenario that would justify going rb in the first.

If they just have doubts about the severity of Priest's injury, which clearly would be prudent at this time, Bryson or Gary would have been reasonable insurance signings. I appreciate a certain amount of "better safe than sorry".

Bottom line, you ain't replacing Priest's numbers in a single off season, no offense Larry Johnson, so either Priest is back in form and we hope the changes already made to the d is enough, Or prospects for a major step forward record wise take a serious step back. Holliday and Barber are clear upgrades, McLeon, eh. Jerome Woods  and Ryan Simms  by all accounts are going to be fully recovered.  

Finally some good news, with our second pick, we get the best butted linebacker in the draft. You can only imagine the my joy in kowing his butt is a good one. ::) ;D

From ESPN's Draft Tracker


Quote:
Kawika Mitchell

Positives: Tough, durable and plays hurt. Has speed to get outside, is well-built, thick, broad and has a good butt. Good play strength with a 410-pound bench press. Leader who is coachable. Has straight speed and will compete. Has a 37-inch vertical.        


Honest.  ;D Ya make this shit up!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/player?id=6900

Anybody gat an aerly idea on working butt ratings into a scoring system.  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 6:57pm
Quote:Kawika Mitchell  

Positives: Tough, durable and plays hurt. Has speed to get outside, is well-built, thick, broad and has a good butt. Good play strength with a 410-pound bench press. Leader who is coachable. Has straight speed and will compete. Has a 37-inch vertical.    

Isn't it generally thought that Tight Ends have the best butts?



Interesting second round so far.  No RB or QB.   Not looking like a promising fantasy draft so far.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 26th, 2003, 7:58pm
Well the Ravens took Musa Smith who I wanted the Pats to take, grr, we traded the 75 away when Musa was selected 77 :(. Pats are making me mad today hah. I think Simms will be taken by the Panthers in a couple picks, which is a nice fit.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 26th, 2003, 8:45pm
Finally...a fantasy pick of import that seems halfway decent.

Chris Brown to Tennessee.  George is hobbled, same style of running.  I watched him a few games and I like the way he runs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 26th, 2003, 9:55pm
Hard to argue that Cincy and Detroit didn't have the best day one selections.

Cincy really did well, getting three really good offensive players. Washington in the third is a steal. Detroit lands Boss Bailey and Cory Redding to help the Defense along with Rogers. All three could be opening day starters.

I also like the Ravens draft. Suggs, Boller and Musa Smith? Wow...
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 27th, 2003, 1:37am
Tampa Bay lands QB Chris Simms!!!! I am so happy.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Philly on Apr 27th, 2003, 1:41am
Unfortunately I had to work today and missed most of the draft.  I did get to catch everything from pick #2 to pick #16, so I caught all the fun and games caused by the Vikes.

This was one wacky draft.  I don't purport to know everything about the draft, but I know enough to point out that there were some questionable picks today...

Saints - Johnathan Sullivan at #6.  Nice player, but way too early.
Vikings (duh) - Kevin Williams at #9... with Trufant still available??
Patriots - Ty Warren at #13.  Huh?
Cardinals - Bryant Johnson at #17.  Calvin Pace at #18.  Should've taken Suggs at #6.
Bills - McGahee at #23.  He should've gone earlier, so I guess the Bills got real value here.  But RB was already a position of strength.  Henry had a great year, signed an extension, and is still young.  Gary is the backup and has proven he can produce too.
Chiefs - Larry Johnson at #27.  I figured Johnson would go late in the first round.  But Larry Johnson is the WRONG RB for the Chiefs offense.  Even if they think Priest is done, they could have taken Suggs or Fargas in round #2.
Raiders - Nnamdi Asomugha at #30.  The guy has potential.  You don't draft potential in the first round.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Walker Boh on Apr 27th, 2003, 12:06pm

on 04/26/03 at 15:02:53, StegRock wrote:
Walker, my Broncos kindred spirit [smiley=zenmaster.gif] , your take?

As I've stated before, I'm not a very big college fan. (There are waaaay too many teams and it's impossible to keep up with all of them. Not to mention, the lack of a respectable playoff system.)

When I think of Denver's problems, the OL doesn't come to mind... I always thought that was our stong point! That being said, they have been very good for quite a few years now and at some point you have to start thinking about the future. George Foster must feel like the luckiest guy in the world. He only started one game his senior year due to a serious wrist injuy and the Broncos take him in the first round, wow!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 12:36pm

on 04/27/03 at 12:06:10, Walker Boh wrote:
He (Foster) only started one game his senior year due to a serious wrist injuy and the Broncos take him in the first round, wow!


Wasn't it that he played through the injury that was SO impressive?
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Walker Boh on Apr 27th, 2003, 2:06pm
I'm not saying it wasn't impresive, hell, before yesterday, I had never even heard of the guy! He could be the greatest player in the world, I wouldn't know...

I'm not implying that the Broncos made a mistake, but if you would have told me that the Broncos would use their 1st round pick to draft a player that had been involved in a car crash and only started one game his senior year, I would have said no way. This is just another example of my lack of knowledge in the College Football realm.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 3:07pm

on 04/27/03 at 14:06:18, Walker Boh wrote:
...only started one game his senior year...


Walker, my friend... please do not take my comment the wrong way, bro'!  WE [smiley=Elway.gif] [smiley=Elway.gif] are definitely on the same side here.  I am just looking for an answer to my question as I had been under the impression that Foster played through the injury, i.e. played more than one game his senior year.  That's all!  And, that just goes to show you MY dearth of knowledge of the college game, as well.  So, back to the question.  Does anybody know?
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 27th, 2003, 6:05pm
Yes Steg, Foster DID play through the injury in his senior year. He spent the second half of the season with a cast on, but he did NOT only play one game; not sure where you heard that, Walker. He's actually a pretty big guy, plays bigger than actual size, and he's a fantastic run blocker. I saw him on some televised games this year, though... and pass protection is a weak point as the announcers highlighted. From what I've read too, he is occasionally lacking aggresion. But it sounds like with some development, you got yourself a pretty good lineman in my opinion.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 6:20pm
Thank you, Jonny C.!  You the O.G.! [smiley=firinback.gif] [smiley=jammaster.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Walker Boh on Apr 27th, 2003, 7:23pm

on 04/27/03 at 18:05:26, Cirrinone wrote:
He spent the second half of the season with a cast on, but he did NOT only play one game; not sure where you heard that, Walker.

I know were talking semantics here, but I said he only started 1 game his senior year. ;) I don't even know if I'm right or not, but that's the way I took it after reading this article posted on the Bronco website.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/2003draft/index.php3?clmn=/2003draft/042603_1.prm&go=shownews

The fact that he played throught the injury is impressive and he must have really shown the Broncos something if they were willing to take him in the first round. Go Broncos!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 27th, 2003, 8:33pm
Yeh, you're correct Walker. Didn't see you meant START, I knew he played though. Anyhow, the kid's an animal. He'll definately improve a line I already thought was decent. Somewhere Clinton Portis is smiling...
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 27th, 2003, 11:06pm
That was my fault, actually.  I am the one who unwittingly changed it from "started" to "played".
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 28th, 2003, 1:03am
Philly, you were REALLY on to something when you portended that the Eagles were focusing on TE L.J. Smith out of Rutgers leading up to the draft! [smiley=cheers.gif] That's the kind of insight I like to see on "the Gridiron"! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 28th, 2003, 6:25am
He's a hometown guy, the Eagles needed a TE, he should be a great fit actually. With a little development, he could be a great addition to the Eagles, as McNabb likes to throw to the TE sometimes when he's in trouble. I would have liked Bennie Joppru, Jason Witten, or Dallas Clark better, but... L.J. Smith is quite alright in my book.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Philly on Apr 28th, 2003, 10:46am
Many people felt that LJ Smith had the most upside at TE in the draft.  He is clearly the most athletic of all the TEs and had hands that compared favorably to Dallas Clark.

I like him a lot, as a second round pick.  The problem was that the Eagles were ready to jump on him had they stayed at #30 in round 1.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 28th, 2003, 12:10pm
I know I was talking with some of my friends about why RB Lee Suggs dropped SO FAR in the draft and ended up going to Cleveland.  Not one us seemed to have a clue.  Now I read this...  Did any of you guys know about the news currently atop "The REAL Feed"?

Browns add injured back Suggs
NFL.com (28.04.2003 02:36)  
The Browns have drafted yet another running back, but don't expect to see him in uniform until 2004.

He is going to need shoulder surgery, which will likely keep him out ALL OF 2003!  No wonder he dropped!  And, no wonder he was attractive to the Browns, who will probably lose Jamel White after this year!
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Philly on Apr 28th, 2003, 1:43pm
I, too, was wondering why his stock had dropped so significantly.  I saw many projections where he was going to be drafted in the first round.

In all of my research about the draft (and I'm not sure how much I read about Suggs) I didn't see one mention of any injuries...  Obviously it was out there, because the teams knew.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Cirrinone on Apr 28th, 2003, 2:54pm
Yeah I'm going out on my memory here, and in what I heard BEFORE the draft, I BELIEVE he got hurt his junior year and split time his senior year, still picking up 1,325 yards. Not sure if he was actually hurt senior year and not junior year though; that's where my memory is hurting me.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 30th, 2003, 1:13am
Okay, just one more thing before hittin' the sack here...

I think this piece currently atop "The REAL Feed" is very worth the real... a little [smiley=doseofreality.gif] !  It is provocative, but insightful:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56703-2003Apr29.html.

I'd recommend checking it out!  It puts all the hype into (some) perspective.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 30th, 2003, 7:39am
Lee Suggs had some sort of knew injury and did split time his Senior year with I believe some kid named "Johnson" who people project to be a top-pick in the draft when he declares. Oh, he also wears the #7, the same number Vick wore... and from what I hear, he's the only one with enough talent to be able to wear that number.
Title: Re: Official NFL Draft Commentary thread
Post by StegRock on May 9th, 2003, 5:42pm

on 04/26/03 at 14:08:02, StegRock wrote:
I knew Pittsburgh wasn't going to take Larry Johnson like they were saying!  They're future running back will eventually be... [smiley=spchef.gif] Ron Dayne! [smiley=ohshit.gif] And, he will be good... as good as Jerome Bettis was during these late years (not last year) when he just would NOT go away regardless of the naysayers!  You heard it hear first! [smiley=yes.gif]


Man, I should have that dork John Clayton's job!  >:( [smiley=swollenhead.gif] ;) [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] I just today came across his "post-Draft observations" article published on April 27th.  He writes:  "Here's a few predictions on future transactions.  The Steelers will end up with Giants halfback Ron Dayne...".  First of all, it should read "Here are a few predictions...", but, whatever. ::) I mean...  Is this guy reading my stuff... [smiley=annoyed.gif] [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] [smiley=swollenhead.gif] because he and me be the only two professin' this, and it was me first [smiley=crystalball.gif] (especially when you refer to the thread linked to below)?  And, I am the one doin' it down in the trenches [smiley=commander.gif] [smiley=ready4war.gif] and without all the insider knowledge! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] [smiley=annoyed.gif] Anyway, here is a link to the entire article by Clayton of which the excerpt above is part of his "observation" #5:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1545521.

We shall see; we shall see! [smiley=zenmaster.gif]

There is a thread in "the Red Zone" on this topic that may be better suited to continued discussion:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1042139420.

I am going to go bump it right now.


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