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(Message started by: BarnabyWilde on Jun 15^th, 2003, 3:54pm)

Title: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 15^th, 2003, 3:54pm

Let's keep all the draft comments on this thread. Make sure you talk plenty of trash! ;)

		Rosters


Tony_O	Jetdoc	KJ76 Yards	Walker Boh	bgsgfan
RB Ricky Williams	RB LaDainian Tomlinson	RB Deuce McCallister	RB Clinton Portis	RB Priest Holmes
LB Ray Lewis	WR Randy Moss	QB Michael Vick	LB Brian Urlacher	QB Donovan McNabb
RB Fred Taylor	RB Stephen Davis	LB Derrick Brooks	QB Rich Gannon	WR Eric Moulds
LB Keith Brooking	QB Aaron Brooks	WR David Boston	WR Hines Ward	DE Jason Taylor
S Roy Williams	LB Jamie Sharper	DE Julius Peppers	DE Michael Strahan	WR Donald Driver
WR Jimmy Smith	S Rodney Harrison	WR Chris Chambers	WR Jerry Rice	LB Mike Maslowski
S Darren Sharper	WR Marty Booker	RB Michael Bennett	WR Rod Smith	RB Curtis Martin
WR Isaac Bruce	WR Laveranues Coles	LB Kendrell Bell	LB Rosevelt Colvin	WR Keyshawn Johnson
PK David Akers	LB Chad Brown	CB Champ Bailey	CB Brian Dawkins	LB Keith Bullock
QB Steve McNair	DE Jevon Kearse	CB Charles Woodson	DE Leonard Little	S Adrian Wilson
WR Darrell Jackson	DE Marcellus Wiley	WR Quincy Morgan	CB Ronde Barber	DE Justin Smith
DE Aaron Smith	PK Olindo Mare	PK Jeff Wilkins	PK Adam Vinatieri	PK John Carney
DT John Henderson	CB Kwame Lassiter	DE Grant Winstrom	RB Eddie George	S Mike Minter





Philly	BW	DocNiner	DD/Cirrinone	DOLFAN
RB Shaun Alexander	RB Marshall Faulk	RB Travis Henry	RB Edgerrin James	RB Tiki Barber
RB Jamal Lewis	RB Corey Dillon	RB Ahman Green	WR Terrell Owens	WR Marvin Harrison
QB Daunte Culpepper	WR Joe Horn	QB Peyton Manning	WR Torry Holt	LB Zach Thomas
WR Peerless Price	LB LaVar Arrington	WR Plaxico Burress	RB Charlie Garner	RB William Green
LB Donnie Edwards	DE Dwight Freeney	LB Mike Peterson	QB Kurt Warner	WR Amani Toomer
S Adam Archuleta	WR Chad Johnson	DE John Abraham	DE Simeon Rice	WR Koren Robinson
LB Al Wilson	WR Derrick Mason	LB London Fletcher	DE Hugh Douglas	S Sammy Knight
S Ed Reed	DE Andre Carter	DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila	LB Takeo Spikes	DE Mike Rucker
WR Curtis Conway	S Mike Brown	WR Donte Stallworth	LB Joey Porter	DE Patrick Kerney
WR Rod Gardner	S Lance Schulters	WR Jerry Porter	CB Brian Kelly	LB Eric Barton
DE Greg Ellis	PK Jay Feely	S Mike Green	CB Bobby Taylor	S Robert Griffith
PK Martin Gramatica	QB Tommy Maddox	PK Jason Elam	PK Mike Vanderjagt	PK Sebastian Janikowski
DE Aaron Schobel	LB Anthony Simmons	S Coy Wire	WR Todd Pinkston	QB Jeff Garcia

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 17^th, 2003, 12:16am

WAY TO KICK IT OFF, Tony! I think RW with the first pick overall is a GREAT pick. As I see it, and mind you I do not know IDP's for the purposes of fantasy football that well so I can only really speak intelligently here with regards to the offensive side of the ball, RW, ?? and ?? should be picks 1, 2 and 3 (though not necessarily in that order). [smiley=wiseguy.gif]

In any event, good luck to all you guys! [smiley=stpat.gif] Do a good job and let's show 'em the kind of brains and savvy we got on "the Gridiron"! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 17^th, 2003, 1:26am

Great pick. RW will lead the league again this yr in rushing.
Whew. I'm glad you didn't take Barry Sanders i want him with my 14th round pick [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] .

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 17^th, 2003, 8:33am

I am curious about everyone's draft strategy with regards to IDP leagues vs "regular" leagues.

Last year was the first time I took part in an IDP league. I normally draft using a variation of VBD, however for the IDP league I intentionally undervalued all defensive players because I hoped I would have a better handle on them than most and could find values. I must have been relatively right because I was the regular season champ - running away even.

Also, if anyone could point me in the direction of some IDP cheatsheets for this year I would be grateful. I have not done ANY homework on them yet this year and won't be able to until this weekend. I will do my part to keep this thing as legit as possible though.

Good luck everyone!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 17^th, 2003, 8:44am

I usually play with Team Defense, but have played IDP in the past. I'm still trying to figure out their value using BW's scoring system as the one I used valued defense much less.

Anyway, I found a ranking of IDPs at the Sporting News site. Not sure I agree with their rankings, but it's there for your perusal...

http://fantasy.sportingnews.com/nfl/rankings/overall/

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 17^th, 2003, 9:48am

on 06/17/03 at 08:44:45, Philly wrote:

Thanks. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

One other one to throw out there (gotta love answering own question - but maybe someone else is looking).

http://footballguys.com/03lbrank.cfm

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 17^th, 2003, 1:24pm

Are we just doing one pick a day? At this rate we might be done by September... maybe...

[smiley=thinking.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 17^th, 2003, 1:29pm

We could do first round in first come first serve fashion - then snake based on that?

Also - I gave some picks to someone else just in case I wasn't around when my turn came up - might be a good idea for everyone to keep this thing going.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 17^th, 2003, 1:57pm

[smiley=ontheclock.gif] [smiley=sleepers.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 17^th, 2003, 2:10pm

Sometimes this happens. Some guys don't have access at work and some work LOOOOOONG hours, so who knows when the next guy will get here. I'm still here, but it is just a "mock." I too would like for it to go faster, but the site was down the other day for awhile do to the switch. That shouldn't affect anything, but ya never know. I know guys that work form 8am to 10pm and dont have access until late at nighth. Whereas another guys doesn't have home access. I'm still here. I think a 24 hr rule would be fine. then they get bumped like the Vikes. Just a suggestion. [smiley=doseofreality.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 17^th, 2003, 3:03pm

FYI - It looks like they are looking for Jetdoc over at another board.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 17^th, 2003, 6:38pm

Just wanted to check in and let everyone know that I'm around and I'll be making my pick tonight after KJ gets rolling. Decisions, decisions...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 17^th, 2003, 8:40pm

Was really thinking hard of taking a shot at Ray Lewis, Urlacher or Derrick Brooks with the #3 pick, considering it looks like those three would score big with the defense points system, though, I'm a fan of Duece and I'm not going to pass him up, just to much upside.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 17^th, 2003, 9:15pm

I'm stoked! I would have taken Portis at #1 and I got him at 4! Yeah baby! I was thinking hard about Priest, but I just couldn't pull the trigger... you don't mess around that that 1st round pick.

As a rookie, Portis rushed for 1508 yards and scored 17 TD's, and did so while only starting 12 of the 16 games.:o Had he started every game, he had a legitimate chance at the rushing title and an outside chance of leading the league in TD's. His 17 TD's were second to only Holmes' 24 and Alexander's 18, and I see nothing but greatness in his future.
[smiley=broncofan.gif] Go Broncos! [smiley=broncofan.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 17^th, 2003, 9:53pm

The way this is panning out, like I thought it would, means I'll get either of the 2 guys I thought I'd end up with...I just hope that the person I want in round 2 is still there...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 17^th, 2003, 10:01pm

I like Duece, but think he went a bit early.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 17^th, 2003, 10:06pm

Well, Philly made my pick easy,as I was either taking Alexander or Faulk.

So far, going according to plan, just not in the order I thought...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 18^th, 2003, 8:19am

on 06/17/03 at 21:15:25, Walker Boh wrote:

Right now, I also am high on Portis - for the same reasons Walker mentions - and would have taken him at #1 also. However, I have to be pleased with Holmes at #5. If he is healthy he is the obvious #1. Thanks to BW for making my pick and keeping this thing moving.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 18^th, 2003, 8:35am

Dare I say that Holmes at #5 is a gutsy pick? Hard to believe that the guy blew away all competitors last year and is such a question mark this year. He carried me to many victories last year (except when he sat out my Super Bowl because of injury) and I don't think I could have taken him with even my 1.06 pick...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 18^th, 2003, 10:52am

Can you say run on RBs? WOW. Actually its not shocking. That's just how i figured it would go. Doesn't matter I still will get the guys i projected at my picks.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 18^th, 2003, 12:58pm

IMPORTANT ADMINISTRATIVE NOTICE [smiley=borg.gif]

Rosters are being maintained in the first post of this thread; Cheatsheets are being developed in the first post of the thread you make your picks on! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 18^th, 2003, 3:17pm

Oh, boy, that took FOREVER! I, with the help of one of Razzak's posts in the past where he shows how to use tables, figured out how to make them. :P For the purposes of looking over "Rosters", it looks A LOT nicer and neater and makes the teams WAY easier to compare; however, we get that big gap in the first post. I don't know what's up with that. I still like the layout WAY more for the purposes of analyzing and comparing "Rosters", but we are going to have to live with that gaping gap for now. As for the "Cheatsheets", I am going to leave them the way they are. "Cheatsheets" are presented vertically, in any case, and it is not like you need to compare the different groups, anyway. [smiley=bow.gif] :whew:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Jun 18^th, 2003, 4:05pm

So far, the draft has gone how I expected. A little out of order (i.e. Duece going #3 surprised me, since I usually see him go around #6).

I'm on vacation this week, and have been dealing with some medical issues for my family, so I'll try to check in as often as I can.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 18^th, 2003, 8:03pm

Sorry for the delay guys in making my 2nd round pick. Since I work nights I just got outta bed at 7pm. I really didn't want to send a list with the first 2 rounds . So, if my pick is close I'll send a proxy list from now on to help keep it moving.

If guys are really interested in where defensive players are getting drafted I think you'd need to do a draft more than 13 rounds. A lot of real good defensive players are going after round 13. Most of those spots guys will fill up the offensive side of their roster. If you want the draft to go more rounds I'm fine with that.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 18^th, 2003, 8:24pm

on 06/18/03 at 20:03:49, DocNiner52 wrote:

If guys are really interested in where defensive players are getting drafted I think you'd need to do a draft more than 13 rounds. A lot of real good defensive players are going after round 13. Most of those spots guys will fill up the offensive side of their roster. If you want the draft to go more rounds I'm fine with that.

I don't think we're drafting bench players in this mock... just one player per position as outlined by BarnabyWilde in the initial thread.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 18^th, 2003, 8:30pm

BW asked me to go ahead and make his pick if he wasn't online...

He wanted Corey Dillon or Jamal Lewis if DocNiner52 took Dillon.

Fortunately for me, Jamal Lewis was at the top of my draft board and was still available.

Nice run on RBs... just a few quality(?) ones left.

I'm curious if anyone else has plugged in last year's player stats with the scoring system we're using for this draft. I did and found some very interesting things. I'm not sharing them now though... [smiley=sneaky.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 18^th, 2003, 8:35pm

on 06/18/03 at 20:30:25, Philly wrote:

Jamal Lewis is a steal in the second round. I am really surprised that he was available. I personnally have him rated above Tiki and Ahmam Green. I also have him about equal to Harrison. NICE PICK!!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 18^th, 2003, 8:57pm

Thanks... I had Jamal rated as my #7 RB overall, so to have Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis on the same team! [smiley=bow.gif]

I'm thinking a lot like Steg when it comes to Ahman Green this year. I don't like him.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 18^th, 2003, 9:02pm

I had a hard time choosing betweenthe 2 of them. I choose Dillion for a few reasons:

He plays on a better offense: I'll take Kitna, Chad Johnson, and Warrick over Redman, Taylor and M-Rob.

He has 2 #1 picks at the tackle spots, Levi Jones and Willie Anderson, plus Eric Steinbach now at right guard. His line should be one of the better ones this season.

Corey has a new vigor for the game thanks to Marvin Lewis. He has said several times he likes what he sees in Cincy, even claimed the Bengals will win the division. He will run hard this year.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 18^th, 2003, 9:46pm

Defense plays a BIG part in this draft. If you look at how the defensive scoring works, some players could be huge.

Take a look at the QFL scoring sheet if you will to see how my league does it's scoring for both O and D. It's a pretty high powered scoring system. I think on O, McNabb had the post points, followed by Gannon.

Urlacher by far was the highest on D last year. Good pick WB!!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 18^th, 2003, 10:19pm

I like both the DIllon and Leiws picks, but facts are facts. Jamal gets very little rc yds, compared to Tiki. Plus Tiki had 2X as many TDs. Now Dayne is pretty much out of the PIX which means more TDs for Tiki from my list. I also see Musa Smith taking some carries/TDS from Lewis. I like Tiki more than most. That's ok.
I think Urlacher was abit early. I figured he would go in the 3rd/4th round. Aggressive move. Pts wise your #s may work out.
I find it interesting that everyone is sharing their insight, dropping players names and a spreadsheet. Thanks for the help. It will prove useful. Hey DD tell me who you are taking with your 3rd rounder this yr will ya. :-X I promise i wont tell anyone. Ha ha.
Yes the Def scoring has some interesting things in this league, but ...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 18^th, 2003, 10:29pm

By my very rough estimates, Urlacher outscored every offensive player in the league by a huge margin... we're talking like 20%... I'm sure my numbers are off, but this guy could have easily gone #1 in this scoring system... at 3 points per tackle, you can't go wrong.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 18^th, 2003, 11:05pm

I agree with last years stats. I see his stats diff this year. He is a Probowler adn they finally have someone in BIG MIKE's spot. I don't think he stats will be that much this year. They had some injuries on the DL last year, plus their OFF sucked which meant more time for the DEF on the field. OL was banged up too. I just don't see his stats being the same. I love the pick though, just thought he would be there in the 3rd for ya.
Chi OFF should be improved and thus have more field time, and ATRAIN will prolly lose his job to Peterson during the early part of the season. I too had Urlacher rated as the #1 DEF player...stats wise...Great pick. I like the Mcnabb pick too.
I figured Vick would go in this round 2. Now all we need is 1 more WR to be taken to go with my predictions.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 18^th, 2003, 11:25pm

on 06/18/03 at 22:19:38, DOLFAN wrote:

Dayne may be in the dog house, BUT, Dorsey Levens is NOT.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 19^th, 2003, 1:07am

True DD Levens really burned it up last year in PHI. 75 carries 1 TD.WOW. Oh and 1 rec td...can't forget that. Dayne had 125 carries last year, but few catches. I agree Levens may spell Tiki some, but i think Tiki will get more goaline carries this yr. Dayne may still be kept as a XTRA insurance and may be the goaline guy again..3tds..Either way that off in clicking.
Just like i called it Moss is gone. Great picks guys. Lewis was interesting. I guess he didn't want Philly to have Urlacher and Lewis on the same team. Taylor was a nice snag too.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 19^th, 2003, 5:09am

Good start to round three. Taylor was a good pick, and Davis should have a good season in Carolina.

This should be an interesting round.

I think I know who KJ will take with his next pick...I will let you know if I am right or wrong...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:23am

I hope KJ doesn't take him, because I want him!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:29am

These IDP's have thrown me for a loop! [smiley=stars.gif]

Having never played with IDP's or seen the final results of a complete season using this scoring system, I'm really wingin' it here. [smiley=uh.gif] Anyone else feeling a bit lost? [smiley=lost.gif]

Hey BW, I checked out your site hoping to find some results from last season, but all I can see is a picture of OJ with the Sniper Killers... throw me a bone man! [smiley=dog.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:34am

I really don't like how the limited rounds will screw with the integrity of this draft. I was just thinking out a strategy and realized I could wait until my last pick to grab my second RB and still be guaranteed one of the top 20. Because of the limited rounds we are doing, I believe everyone is going to realize how important grabbing those top guys at ANY position. Basically it won't look like a "real" draft.

I know its late in the game to change the rules, but I would be in favor of adding just 2 more rounds to help alleviate some of these discrepancies (i.e. I wouldn't be able to wait until the 13th round and still get Garner or Staley or any other decent back that will be left under the way we have it now).

BTW - Thanks Steggy for doing my pick. Hopefully i'll get a pick of my own in today. ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:34am

Yeah, I know. That's the guy who runs the league website, Todd. He's so swamped at work (he is a laon refinancer). We will sit down and update the site soon...

on 06/19/03 at 08:29:30, Walker Boh wrote:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:38am

I realize now I shold have lowered the point total for the defense. I use that scoring system for my league, but our offensive system is much higher as well.

In this IDP mock, the defensive players have an advantage...I'll fix that next year... :-[

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:44am

on 06/19/03 at 08:29:30, Walker Boh wrote:

Only second season with them for me. One of the cool things about IDPs is that opinions vary so much more on them than the offensive guys. You look down anyone's RB, QB, Wr list and you see basically the same thing over and over. Not so with the defensive guys. Basically that helps a guy who is "winging" it do decent and if someone is on top of their game they should have a huge advantage.

As in any other league, paying attention to the rules is key. Most people will just fly in and draft every league exactly the same regardless of, for example, INTs are not included or negative 3 points. Or whether there are 13 or 20 rounds. :P ::) ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:56am

[quote author=BarnabyWilde link=board=56;num=1055706892;start=25#40 date=06/19/03 at 08:38:25]I realize now I shold have lowered the point total for the defense. I use that scoring system for my league, but our offensive system is much higher as well.

In this IDP mock, the defensive players have an advantage...I'll fix that next year... :-[/quote]

I think that 2 points per tackle would make a huge difference. Defensive players would still outscore many offensive positions, but not so dramatically.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 19^th, 2003, 10:26am

on 06/19/03 at 05:09:24, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Were you right or wrong? ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 19^th, 2003, 10:53am

on 06/19/03 at 10:26:09, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

Were you right or wrong? ;D

He was right... and so was I. I was eyeing Brooks in this round too... oh well, plenty of great choices left. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 19^th, 2003, 1:00pm

[smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Well, fellas, the "Rosters" for your outstanding Mock Draft here, which are being maintained on the initial post of this thread, have been updated. And, in the process, I figured out [smiley=thinking.gif] how to get rid of that gap above the rosters table. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] You shouldn't have to do what I did; the code REALLY looks ugly and is hard to wade through now, but IT WORKS. For those of you who know a little bit about this stuff, the key to it was that, though you do need to put in spaces between certain "pieces" of code, you have to use "space-bar strokes" rather than "hard returns". Otherwise, for each "hard return" the table goes down "one". That shouldn't be, like when you write HTML, but that's the case here, at least when you go to make a table. This may be something to keep in mind if you find yourself having trouble with other features involving post-making on "the Gridiron". Well, anyway, enjoy and keep up the good work! [smiley=bow.gif]

I have to add... if I must say so myself, the "Rosters" display looks REALLY cool! ;D [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 19^th, 2003, 2:46pm

Great minds think alike here. I had planned to take Culpepper unless bgsgfan took him... then Moulds was my next choice...

[smiley=graduate.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19^th, 2003, 2:53pm

Already had McNabb, but Culpepper probably best pick so far and slid further than anyone else has.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 19^th, 2003, 3:21pm

DAMN!!!! I was hoping Daunte would fall to me at 3.10. Oh well looks like i will still be able to get John Kitna with that pick. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 19^th, 2003, 3:38pm

I too was targeting Culpepper, then Moulds, then Horn.

Oh, well, I still got a good receiver...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 19^th, 2003, 7:58pm

I had Daunte's name typed and ready to go, but at the last second I changed it to Gannon. I was at work on a break and I didn't have the time I wanted. (I know I could have held off, but I didn't want to keep you all waiting... there were like 7 or 8 people online at the time and I could feel you guys telling me to hurry it up.) It looks as though this scoring system slightly favored Culpepper's numbers last season, but Gannon was right there. It was the "bad vibes" in Minnesota that kept me from pulling the trigger... I just don't feel right about those guys. Now that I see everyone jumping on the Culpepper wagon, I feel kind of stupid, but at least I was on the same page with you guys.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:05pm

Don't be upset with the QB you got... Gannon is no slouch.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:12pm

Zach Thomas at 3.10? Do I smell a little homer bias? That was a gutsy pick DOLFAN. ;D

I love William Green at 4.01... he was one of the best at the end of the season last year, so no reason he shouldn't continue this season.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:34pm

Zach was a surprise pick, but he is a tackling machine and a good point scorer in this system.

Green was the best of the remaining backs. He should have a great year! I hope, because he is one of my keepers!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 19^th, 2003, 8:57pm

"Cheatsheets" on the "pick" thread and "Rosters" on this thread have been updated! ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 19^th, 2003, 9:47pm

I don't see Zach as a gutsy pick. I think it was a great pick. This guys gets about 100 tackles a year, an int. he is mr steady freddie. I thought Brooks was a reach, sure he had 5 tds last year, but none the year before. Either way I'm happy with a steady LB.
Willie Green was too good to pass up.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 19^th, 2003, 11:02pm

Yeah, Thomas gets you a 100 tackles, but that's about it. He hasn't had a season of more than 3 sacks, 3 INTs or 2 TDs.

Brooks gets you 87 tackles, 3 + INTs, and a few TDs. Now with the addition of Rudd, he will be able to rush the QB more, and look for his fumble recoveries and sacks to jump up fast.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 19^th, 2003, 11:04pm

FUCK BW, there goes Arrington....

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 20^th, 2003, 12:04am

Dry your eyes KJ...no crying in your fruit loops tomorrow... :'( ;)

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 20^th, 2003, 12:54am

Hey, i don't know much about IDPs. I am using the Redeye sports cheat sheets for IDPs. They have him picked at 4.and everybody else has him between 5 and 8. I almost took him and Arrington, but needed to shore up my RB area. I also needed a MIA guy. This is just for fun, so i can take guys i like too, instead of guys that everybody rates higher. My son will be goning to Tiki and Ronde's football camp here in 2 yrs.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 20^th, 2003, 12:59am

I wanna go!! ;D

Sounds like fun!

on 06/20/03 at 00:54:10, DOLFAN wrote:

My son will be goning to Tiki and Ronde's football camp here in 2 yrs.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 20^th, 2003, 8:13am

I think Walker picked out of order - no biggie.

I took Taylor way early for most people, but when looking at value - he is easily the best guy at DL and will score tons more points than any baseline you could use. I also see a glut of similar players at WR and LB so I figured I could hold off. As for RB, at this point I know I am guaranteed at leqast the 20th best guy and I really don't see much difference in the next 3-4 RBs.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 20^th, 2003, 8:20am

In our QFL draft one year, I called out a player's name one spot to early...the guy I skipped took him just to piss me off. It was a real late round pick, but he was a sleeper...I laugh at it now, but I was pissed off at myself for being stupid...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 20^th, 2003, 8:22am

I was thinking about grabbing Ward from you - he is my favorite NFL player right now, on my favorite team.

Its good to see him finally getting the respect he deserves.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 20^th, 2003, 8:23am

I know that this is only a mock and people are probably more interested in the defensive side of the draft but I'm still very pleased to get Plaxico Burress at 4.3. I can see him possibly cracking the top 5 in receivers this year.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 20^th, 2003, 8:33am

Sorry about that guys... let's just pretend it never happened. ;D

My strategy is simple, I don't have one! I'm starting to realize that I've been missing out on a huge part of the game... DEFENSE! I "know" all the big names, but I don't really know them (How many tackles, fumble recoveries, sacks, INT's etc...). I can tell you who the better defensive teams are, but breaking it down to individuals is a whole new ballgame. It's like starting from scratch as far as draft strategy goes. This will be a good learning experience.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 20^th, 2003, 8:48am

on 06/20/03 at 08:23:46, DocNiner52 wrote:

I know I had my eyes on Burress with my 4.05 pick... I like him quite a bit better than Priceless who I went with, but I needed to start thinking about WR since there will probably be close to 30 of them taken in this draft.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 20^th, 2003, 8:59am

Yeah the DEF scoring here really changes things. You MUST address your def side earlier than normal. STill some solid LBs out there. I had though about going another DEF guy, instead of RB, but didn't want to get stuck with Staley, Barlow or Bennett as my #2 RB. there are still 2 solid/steady guys left. After that they all have ?????????s
Thats why i went with "Steady Fredie" Zach.
Taylor was an interesting pick. prolly 1 round too early, but clearly the #1 DL IMO

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 20^th, 2003, 11:39am

David Boston dropping this low? It can't be! ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 20^th, 2003, 9:50pm

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 20^th, 2003, 10:13pm

Slowing down...wish we got more picks in today...

[smiley=sleepers.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Jun 20^th, 2003, 11:22pm

Yep - I checked most of the day yesterday and until around 10 AM CST this morning. Had to run to my wife's neurologist appointment -wasn't a very fun time.

I checked once I got back...and was pissed that Boston was gone.

Anybody have worries that Boston will struggle in his first year in a new, conservative system, as many WR's have in the past?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jun 21^st, 2003, 12:08am

I had planned on picking A. Brooks and Roy Williams, but with Jetdoc stealing him from my clutches, I decided that the QB's and WR's that are left can be matched by fantasy potential with picks in later rounds. So i went with two high rated defensive players. Probably in the top five in each of there positions, with no top five QB's or WR"s left.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 21^st, 2003, 2:36am

on 06/21/03 at 00:08:18, Tony_O wrote:

...I decided that the QB's and WR's that are left can be matched by fantasy potential with picks in later rounds.

EXCELLENT plan, Tony, especially with regards to QB's! With this set-up you will still be able to get quite a good quarterback even in the late-late rounds. Smart strategy!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 21^st, 2003, 9:02am

Brooking and Roy Williams are 2 excellent choices. After looking at about 5-7 different "expert" IDP cheatsheets, Brooking is the consensus #3 LB and you got him very late (with regards to how many LBs have gone already). Roy Williams is the consensus #1 DB and also a great pick to have before any type of DB mini-run. They were the top 2 guys on my board. Damn you Tony! [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

Jetdoc - I never know what to say, but thoughts and prayers. :)

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 21^st, 2003, 9:57am

If anyone is interested, it would be no problem for me to keep track of this in a sort of informal IDP-CBFL method. We'll be hands off throughout the year and the person with the most total points through week 16 will be crowned champion (only 16 weeks because thats in line with most FF leagues and rules out effects of guys resting for playoffs).

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Jun 21^st, 2003, 10:00am

Well - tit for tat. I took Brooks from you, and you took Brooking from me.

I figured you'd take a QB with one of your two picks, so I thought that (since you have a LB already), you'd pass on that position and Brooking would fall to me.

I still like Jamie Sharper as my #1 LB, especially in the 3-4 that Capers runs, which means (with one more year under his belt) that Sharper can be a tackle monster in 2003.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 21^st, 2003, 10:10am

Aargh! I was hoping everyone forgot about Keith Brooking... he has been on my radar since Round #3, but I kept thinking he would fall to me in Round #5... great pick.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 21^st, 2003, 10:36am

on 06/21/03 at 09:57:09, bgsgfan wrote:

Thanks bro! I was hoping someone would make the offer. It will be interesting to see how this thing pans out. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Just curious... How will you be tracking the scores? Do you use a special software? Calculator? There are a couple scoring categories that will require more then just looking at the box scores.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 21^st, 2003, 12:18pm

Alright youse guys. Try and leave me some decent players when my pick comes at 5.08 or I'll be forced to take a kicker. :P

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 21^st, 2003, 2:09pm

BG you can keep tabs if ya want. I'm Drafting for fun, but you can make it a league if ya want. Although tossing that idea out now may change some startegies midway through the draft. I'm using this draft as asemibaseline to get a fel for guys. I think if it were a real league that some body may have taken Mcnabb in round 1.
Lets go for it!! I'm in!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 21^st, 2003, 4:18pm

on 06/21/03 at 10:36:04, Walker Boh wrote:

Last year I used "SMARTS" to keep track of how well commishes in my leagues did their scoring and for analytical purposes - I'll just plug it into that and keep everyone aprised of how its going (even though I probably won't get the great deal on it this year that I got last year).

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 21^st, 2003, 4:21pm

on 06/21/03 at 14:09:47, DOLFAN wrote:

Uh huh - already hedging your bets cause you know I am going to crush everyone. [smiley=flamewar.gif]
[smiley=gunsablazin.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 21^st, 2003, 6:57pm

Thanks for reposting those picks Steg. I worked last night and had just woke up .I wanted to get those picks posted before I took my wife to work and wasn't paying attention.

I took Peterson here because some of the better defensive players are fallin' off the board. I wanted to get who I think will be one of the better LB's this year even with him switching teams. I think he'll be motivated and wanting to prove to the Colts they shouldn't have let him go.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 22^nd, 2003, 7:48pm

No picks at all today??

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 22^nd, 2003, 9:02pm

Yeah, what's up with that. Kinda bogged down here today. I'll be going to work at 10pm tonight so should my 6th round pick come up tonight, which is only 5 picks away, I sent Barnaby a proxy list. Hope I can check in in the morning to find I've gotten another stud player ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 22^nd, 2003, 11:27pm

I'm here ready and waitin'. I called Stegey and gave him my picks, called him backed and changed them...then finally got home after going to my neice/nephew double B-day party today and my Moms Bday yesterday in the Wash DC area.
When i got home i sent Stegey and email and told him i would make my own picks. Comeon Big "C". I'm tired of holdin' my dick here. By the time you pick i may end up taking Barry Sanders. [smiley=getoff.gif]
[smiley=sleepers.gif]
[smiley=horse.gif]
J/K i figured i could bust your balls a bit.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 1:40am

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 8:43am

Well, I have been up all night at work. If there still isn't a Cirrinone sighting by the time I wake up, his pick will be made by me!!! ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 1:06pm

Well, this is beat! Has anyone e-mailed Jon? I know he has yet to respond to two e-mails I sent him regarding the CBFL "Mock" Draft and hasn't worked on his site for at least more than a week now. I just hope he is okay. Nevertheless, if he did not submit a list, then, yes, I think you have to move on and make the pick for him here soon. If not, soon this thing will just fizzle out, which would be a real shame as it was going quite well. :'(

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 1:28pm

I think DirkDiggler should make Cirrinone's (Jon's) pick. He expressed interest in filling the vacant slot after Cirrinone did. Plus he is an unbiased participant - not that I think BW would take a stiff just to stiff Cirrinone...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 1:38pm

I too say we let DD make his next 2 picks and decide then if he should take over the draft for "C". I am ready to go. The more you guys make me wait the more i change my 2nd pick!!! That rat Bastard!!!
[smiley=checkin.gif]
[smiley=thinking.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 1:53pm

I agree with your guys' approach of letting DD pick for Jon. But, I would e-mail them both like now, informing Jon of the situation and telling DD to get his ass over here and work it. Even if Jon receives the e-mail late, it is the honorable thing to do to let him know and not have him find out when he finally shows up here. I mean we don't know what is really up. So, can someone "officially" part of this get on that?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 1:55pm

Don't have his email, but I just sent him a private message to that effect...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 2:19pm

I called DD and left a message on his voice mail. His Email addy is : ste.war@verizon.net

Like i said i am all ready to go with my picks.
lets get thei thing rolling again.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 2:35pm

on 06/23/03 at 14:19:48, DOLFAN wrote:

I called DD and left a message on his voice mail. His Email addy is : ste.war@verizon.net

Like i said i am all ready to go with my picks.
lets get thei thing rolling again.

Alrighty....I made the pick.

Took Kurt Warner. I believe the hype that he is better. With the addition of Kyle Turley, and the speed they got at wideouts, I think he is in for a big year.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 2:43pm

Thanks for stepping in DD!!

And don't go anywhere, it's almost back to bing your turn!!!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 3:13pm

If my guy drops down to my spot, I'll be amazed.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 3:14pm

I had to go Chad Johnson here thanks to me friend Dolfan...he took both guys I was looking at!!! :'(

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 3:20pm

on 06/23/03 at 15:14:58, BarnabyWilde wrote:

I had to go Chad Johnson here thanks to me friend Dolfan...he took both guys I was looking at!!! :'(

Once again, great minds think alike... I though K-Rob and Toomer were great value picks at this stage.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 3:28pm

Archuletta was the guy i was waivering on. He by far..from the sites i found...had him easily the #2 DB. Nice pick. Like i said, i just liked Koren a bit more than most guys. If he gets another 1200+ yds I'll take it. Just needs a few more tds this yr. I think with Hassy starting all yr and him now being the #1 guy he should!
I also had Warner as my top QB left.
Smione was my top DL also. Well its nice to know that great minbds think alike. I was hoping you guys would make some homer picks! Not with this crowd. Thats why i love the "GRIDIRON" its fierce/knowledgible competition. No idiots here, except maybe for me. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 3:35pm

on 06/23/03 at 15:28:22, DOLFAN wrote:

No idiots here, except maybe for me. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

And me! [smiley=wave.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 3:54pm

I gotta agree with Dolfan. No, not about him being an idiot, about the quality of the picks. Before they were taken; Toomer, Robinson, and Archuleta were sitting on top of my list and Simeon Rice and John Abraham were right there too. Mike Maslowski was probably a reach, but I am ok with getting him here - I was drafting for need. 8)

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 4:42pm

Maslowski [smiley=thinking.gif] WHO??? [smiley=shrug.gif]
J/K
This is one of those obscure guys that nobody know. He was an undrafted F/a signed by the Charges in '97. Played in NFLE and AFL and signed by KC finally found his spot with the Chiefs. He used to play RB/FB too and he can catch. Has Zach Thomas work ethic and just plain produces all over the field. Does alot from the OLB position. 1 sack, 3 INTs last year and will get ya 90+ tackles. Not on most guys radar.
Nice snag! If you didn't comb the sites that be that have IDP info you wouldn't know about him. Nice #2 LB. Maybe the last top 10 LB out there. [smiley=whatever.gif] He will produce fine for ya.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 4:49pm

on 06/23/03 at 15:54:59, bgsgfan wrote:

I gotta agree with Dolfan. No, not about him being an idiot, about the quality of the picks.

:nodnod: [smiley=yes.gif] Excellent picks so far. Only a couple I would question...

Quote:

Mike Maslowski was probably a reach, but I am ok with getting him here - I was drafting for need. 8)

Not a reach at all... just because he is not a household name doesn't mean he is a bad pick. After running last year's IDP stats through this scoring system, Maslowski was the #13 overall LB. (But there are guys ranked ahead of him who shouldn't be picked - i.e., Edgerton Hartwell.) My only concern would be that he may not put up the numbers this year. Scott Fujita is in his second year and did well last year - look for improvement. Also, Shawn Barber has been added to the mix, so there are more quality players on the KC defense than a year ago.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 5:11pm

One of the problems I have with a slow draft is that I have a tendency to tip my hand - my other LB will be a guy who is off most guys' radar, but he is going to have a monster year! Got him pegged for one of my last 3 picks and I can't wait.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 23^rd, 2003, 6:18pm

We all know rankings are debateable, but I had Abraham ranked in the top 3 of DL. I'm very happy to get him. With the Jets drafting D. Robertson for the interior of the D-line he'll make an impact right away and could help Abraham have his best year yet. I wouldn't be surprised either to see Abraham lead the league in sacks.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 24^th, 2003, 1:35am

Yep, Chambers landed right on my pick, just the way I wanted it.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 24^th, 2003, 2:38am

Alright. Looks like I can access the site from work. Had my doubts 'cause the hospital restricts some of the sites because they list them as games. So, unless I'm scrubbed in doing surgery I'll be able to make picks from work should they come up. No more proxy lists, woohoo :)

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 24^th, 2003, 3:04am

I hate to slam ya here KJ, but i don't like this pick. Well i like Chambers as a #3, but not this early. I still have at least 6 more guys above him. Mia has a run oriented offense and RWms gets all the TDs. Chambers has yet to prove he is a steady healthy producer. I love his upside, just not in this offense. Sorry KJ, but i just think there are some better guys out there and this pick was a lot early.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 24^th, 2003, 3:09am

Agreed!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

on 06/24/03 at 03:04:49, DOLFAN wrote:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 24^th, 2003, 8:43am

Guys I had wanted, thought I could get, keep flying off the board. I thought Rice would last through a few more WR picks and I could snag him, but alas, it is not to be. Rodney Harrison is another guy I wanted this time around.

As for Chambers, he is a bit early- but not that bad. From KJs spot he probably should have waited until 3 picks later... BUT if he is this high on him he would definitely have to grab him with his 7th pick instead of waiting for it to come all the way back to him.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 24^th, 2003, 12:56pm

Another slow day at draft headquarters... *yawn*

Please, people, if you think you won't be logging in frequently, send a proxy list to someone who will be logging in.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 24^th, 2003, 3:15pm

Got in touch with Tony.

Jimmy Smith was the highest WR I had left on my board. I thought since he had none he'd take two, but he took Sharper,a guy I was targeting to grab with one of my next two picks...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 24^th, 2003, 4:13pm

on 06/24/03 at 15:15:21, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Sharper was a guy who carried my defense a couple years ago when I played in an IDP league. He still has the goods and I too was eyeing him up (though Archuleta ranked a bit higher on my board).

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 24^th, 2003, 4:37pm

Y'all got draft boards? I just draft the first name that comes up in my head. ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 24^th, 2003, 4:40pm

on 06/24/03 at 16:37:52, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

Y'all got draft boards? I just draft the first name that comes up in my head. ;D

Now I'm really looking forward to being in a league with you. [smiley=sneaky.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 24^th, 2003, 4:59pm

on 06/24/03 at 15:15:21, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Jimmy Smith was the highest WR I had left on my board. I thought since he had none he'd take two, but he took Sharper,a guy I was targeting to grab with one of my next two picks...

Yo'... even I got to chime in here! With all due respect to Jimmy, who I admire to the nth degree, I think there were two, perhaps three, better receivers available at that pick. But, Jimmy's fine there; Jetdoc's pick of Booker is a tad better, though.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:09pm

Uh ....I hope Cirrone comes back. I am probably going to be unavailable the rest of tonight and most of tomorrow. Unfortunately my real life calls for me to be responsible.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jun 24^th, 2003, 7:36pm

I would agree with you STEG, but unfortunatly, I was operating a locomotive while I was talking to BW and I couldnt remember who I had wanted......I had booker and smith on my list, but booker was over smith, had I been home I would have taken Marty, but smith has put on some muscle this off-season(who hasn't) and I think he will have a good season. However, Don't loook now, I might have an unbeatable defense if I land the Dlinemen I want. Has been fun. but could be a little more efficient.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:24pm

I thought Fletcher was pretty good value here. He'll get a ton of tackles, a few sacks, maybe a couple of int's. Under our scoring system that should amount to a nice point total. If my pick comes up tonight I'll make it from work.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:33pm

You rat bastards!!!! I was going to take either Fletcher or Wilson. Although i think SPikes may take some stats away from Fletcher. I think that my picks here of Rucker and Sammy were good value picks. Sammy should have a solid year in that MIA DEF.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:36pm

on 06/24/03 at 21:33:58, DOLFAN wrote:

I would of had Wilson before you. Don't worry about it.

I am actually pretty happy with the last three Def players I took. Simeon Rice, Hugh Douglas will both get the sacks alonmg with a decent amout of tackles.

Takeo Spikes is going to reallly improve in that Buffalo D with the cast he has surrounding him.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:41pm

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated!

...

Now, quickly with regards to Tony's pick of and post about Jimmy Smith, I'm sorry for harshin' on ya' like that, brother. [smiley=letsmakeup.gif] That Jimmy Smith pick looks like sheer genius relative to the Chris Chambers and Chad Johnson picks. Those guys could have waited A BIT to get those guys.

As for some other overall, objective, general impressions along similar lines, for a guy to get Jerry Rice and Rod Smith, in particular, this late REALLY mitigates the value of picks like Donald Driver, Peerless Price and even Tory Holt, and Curtis Martin and Michael Benett's going now makes the Charlie Garner and William Green picks look pretty poor. That's my "outside"/"inside"/"inside-out"/"upside-downside"/"upside-down" take!
[smiley=zenmaster.gif] [smiley=sultan.gif] [smiley=crystalball.gif] [smiley=threed.gif] [smiley=shrug.gif] :P ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:42pm

on 06/24/03 at 21:40:11, StegRock wrote:

I asked if I could draft another RB...was told no. I did not like having Charlie Garner(NOT drafted by me) when Green and Bennett were available. I even took a leap of faith by drafting Kurt Warner....but couldn't pass up his upside.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 24^th, 2003, 9:49pm

I disagree. I think, in my opinion, Chad Johnson will have a better season than Jimmy Smith. But, none of us are [smiley=wizard.gif] with a [smiley=crystalball.gif], so anything can happen.

on 06/24/03 at 21:41:53, StegRock wrote:

...

Now, quickly with regards to Tony's pick of and post about his picking Jimmy Smith, I'm sorry for harshin' on ya' like that, brother. [smiley=letsmakeup.gif] That Jimmy Smith pick looks like sheer genius relative to the Chris Chambers and Chad Johnson picks. Those guys could have waited A BIT to get those guys.

That's my "outside"/"inside"/"inside-out"/"upside-downside"/"upside-down" take!
[smiley=zenmaster.gif] [smiley=sultan.gif] [smiley=crystalball.gif] [smiley=threed.gif] [smiley=shrug.gif] :P ;D

In other words, comments from the peanut gallery!! [smiley=popcorn.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 24^th, 2003, 10:09pm

Guys, if you'd rather not have any commentary, critical or otherwise, from an outside source, just let me know. I have NO problem NOT commenting on a mock draft I am NOT in.

[smiley=soapboxer.gif]

And, by the way, while I am on the soap box, I have to ask. What is so hard about making the picks using the standard pattern?

2.05 - RB Terrell Davis - Broncos

I am trying to maintain a professional look to things. I am sure you are all enjoying your cheatsheets and, moreover, rosters table that I am maintaining for you all. What if that was all out-of-line and distorted? You wouldn't even look at it. I very literally took hours figuring out how to fix the rosters table and if I can take the time to sift through that code for that table every time I update the rosters, you guys can make it so I don't have to modify almost every pick. I don't want to be wasting my time doing that! But, when visitors come through here, they're gonna' look away if things are not presented in an organized manner. I want to put on a good show here that reflects well on us all and the site. I mean someday I am not going to be this available to clean things up. Is that the level of care I can expect to be put into things? If you're just making a mistake, well, okay, I guess. :-/ I have to admit, though, I even litter-box trained my RABBIT, so... I have to say it makes me think that some of you get off on making me modify your posts! I sure hope that is NOT the case. If so, go get your head checked. I mean... come on!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 24^th, 2003, 10:17pm

Hmmm, interesting Stegey on that CMart notion compared to Wm Green, since Willie only started in 8 games and saw spot action in others. Martin only had 200 more rushing yds and a astonding 1 more TD. Most guys have WM Green at 1200+ yds and 10+ Tds. I agree that White will take away some catches from Green, but similar to Jordan for Martin.
I do love the Rice/Smith picks. Actually i had Rice penciled in beofre Koren, but Koren had more yds, not mcuh at all though, and only 2 less tds. Rice has a much better QB though. I just wanted Koren, like i wanted Zach.
Thats OK, considering that 19 RBs have been taken and IMO Eddie George will be taken in the last round since nobody else has to take a RB. That will clearly be "the best pick in the draft" bar none!" Round 13 Eddie GEORGE!!!!!!!! WOW! Now that's VALUE!
Now the trash talking starts. This is getting fun.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 24^th, 2003, 10:22pm

No Steg, I am just giving you shit! I don't mind at all the you comment. ;D

And when I post, I just post my pick. If you are more anal than I am and feel the need to fix my posts (hard to imagine, according to my wife) then by all means fix my posts. Just giving you shit on that too...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 24^th, 2003, 10:34pm

Sorry Stegey. I forgot the format. It won't happen again.
[smiley=doh.gif]
I love all comment, in or out of the league,because it gives us a chance for rebuttal or our reasons for taking that player. The "experts" do that in all their mocks. Some of them don't know what in the hell they are talking about, but put up solid/logical reason why they took that guy.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 24^th, 2003, 10:37pm

BW, I just don't want to take an "inordinate" amount of grief if I do so. Yours wasn't, but I just did not want to find myself [smiley=drown.gif] in barbs and shit coming back my way when all I am trying to do is "add" to you all's "show" here, and the combination of yours and Tony's posts had me gettin' just a little [smiley=nervous.gif] and gun-shy!

Now with regards to the pick "presentations", you "know" what we are trying to do here, BW. I mean, especially now, we need to dig in and put in that "little extra" so someday we can maybe sit back and enjoy the fruits of all of our "labors". That's all! :-[ I don't think it is too much for me to ask dudes, in general, to take the extra 5 seconds it might take to make sure things look neat and tidy. The potential benefits will WAY outweigh the cumulative 5-second intervals that may add up for any one "Gridironer" here. All of that having been said, my response there above was NOT AT ALL related to your little joke on the other thread. I got a good chuckle out of that and even responded back "in kind". You did see my response there, no? :D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 24^th, 2003, 10:47pm

on 06/24/03 at 22:34:08, DOLFAN wrote:

Sorry Stegey. I forgot the format. It won't happen again.
[smiley=doh.gif]

Boy, you remind me of ZAGS! [smiley=thinking.gif] Or, was it Daunte Williams? Or, maybe it was Screaming_Weasel? ...

Point being, THANKS for understanding whence I am coming and appreciating what I am trying to do here! I REALLY DO appreciate that and have a memory like an [smiley=elephant.gif] !

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 24^th, 2003, 10:54pm

I'm pretty excited about my WR's. [smiley=havinablast.gif]

With Ward, Rice and Smith, I've got three #1 guys and I'm sure to get solid production, if not "Pro Bowl" numbers, from each of them. With Gannon at QB and Portis running the ball, my offense is rounding out nicely... On the defensive side of the ball, I've got Urlacher and Strahan, but I've got some serious work to do there (and a few tricks up my sleeve... [smiley=sneaky.gif])

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:34pm

Steg's got problems... he edited my post because I spelled Bennett wrong... ::) [smiley=eatme.gif]

;)

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:37pm

on 06/24/03 at 22:54:53, Walker Boh wrote:

Rod Smith=DIMINISHED SKILLS, as was proven last season

Jerry Rice= Nice Surprise last season(had him on a winning team), but to high of a pick for where you picked him.

Hines Ward= I like Burress more this season, but I still see a 1,000 yard 6 TD season from him

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:43pm

on 06/24/03 at 23:37:06, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

Jerry Rice= Nice Surprise last season(had him on a winning team), but to high of a pick for where you picked him.

This coming from the guy that took CHRIS CHAMBERS with the very next pick...[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 24^th, 2003, 11:45pm

Hey, I never said it was a wise decision. ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 25^th, 2003, 1:07am

Got both Defensive Llinemen I wanted...both young, productive pass rushing ends in Freeney and Carter.

I was hoping Doc was going to pass up Carter!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 25^th, 2003, 10:08am

Had a nice little run on defense there... after I got my 2nd LB, I had my eyes all over Mike Rucker, but it seems I can't sneak any players under the other drafters' radars.

As for the format, it's fairly easy to do, so I've been doing it myself. As for spelling of names, I wouldn't worry too much about it... Steg still spelled Shaun Alexander incorrectly in the rosters... ::)

Anyway, I appreciate the work you're doing here Steg. And, while I don't always agree with your commentary, I certainly welcome it.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 10:42am

I love getting Keyshawn here. I think he is the last clear #1 WR left. After him, I see a group of 5-6 WRs that are all borderline #1s or decent #2s, definitely nobody as solid as Key.

Philly may be wondering why I passed on a guy I had sent to hikm earlier, basically its just because I am going by the seat of my pants here as I have not completed my preseason predictions yet.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 25^th, 2003, 1:00pm

on 06/25/03 at 10:42:31, bgsgfan wrote:

Again, my next pick is gone, although I figured KJ would grab him soon... Although WRs don't seem to be very big scorers in this format.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 25^th, 2003, 1:27pm

Quote:

Now BG, [smiley=Uwent2far.gif] don't bring up stuff like that unless ya have clear proof after a complete review of what you are talking about. You missed a fe my friend. There are still some other names mispelled too. I would never, ever bring up somethig like that. :-X
Stegey is much too busy to hear that [smiley=horse.gif]. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 1:38pm

on 06/25/03 at 13:27:14, DOLFAN wrote:

Now BG, [smiley=Uwent2far.gif] don't bring up stuff like that unless ya have clear proof after a complete review of what you are talking about. You missed a fe my friend. There are still some other names mispelled too. I would never, ever bring up somethig like that. :-X
Stegey is much to busy to hear that [smiley=horse.gif]. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Who? What? Where? Huh? [smiley=whatever.gif] [smiley=uh.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:32pm

I'm sorry BG. i meant to say Philly. Please accept my apology.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:36pm

As for DOLFAN's post, I am thoroughly perplexed. [smiley=uh.gif] Seems like a bit of a "sarcastic" slap in the face after being on the receiving end of some nice, "sincere" comments I made. [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] [smiley=elephant.gif] Anyway, moving right along... [smiley=strollin.gif]

on 06/25/03 at 10:08:23, Philly wrote:

As for the format, it's fairly easy to do, so I've been doing it myself. As for spelling of names, I wouldn't worry too much about it... Steg still spelled Shaun Alexander incorrectly in the rosters... ::)

Anyway, I appreciate the work you're doing here Steg. And, while I don't always agree with your commentary, I certainly welcome it.

With regards to Philly's post right above, RIGHT ON, man! [smiley=bullseye.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] You should have let me know earlier. See, I think this is actually a key point that "certain 'personalities'" don't get when it comes to (grokking) your admin StegRock here that dudes like Philly do. I am quite secure in myself and DEFINITELY not a hypocrite: I hold you guys to no different standards than I do myself. When I read that about the misspelling, I was not overcome by an angry feeling of defensiveness. I was like [smiley=doh.gif] and wanted to get on over and fix it like pronto, happy that Philly brought it to my attention. If you ever notice ANYTHING like that no matter how small, LET ME KNOW, by all means, actually, the smaller, the quicker it can be fixed. That kind of shit "don't" bother me! To me, it shows that you "get it" and care about this place "like I do". If I misspelled something or messed up on a pattern, even something as trivial as not putting in a space or something, I would hope one of my staffers would correct it like I do, without making a display of it that is (though that code for the "Rosters table" may be the exception of what you want to "dive into" [smiley=drown.gif] , guys). PLEASE take and make note of this, fellas! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 25^th, 2003, 2:58pm

Yeah Stegey i was having some fun.
As far as mispelled nakes:
Ladainian, Deuce , and Torry are the 3 that i found.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 3:03pm

[smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 4:23pm

i can't believe KJ took Kendrell Bell there! Absolutely tore up my whole plan. This guy is going to be a monster this year! He is the one Steeler player that is way underrated - most IDP lists have him way down at the bottom of the barrel. I figured i could grab him with my 11th pick or so.

Mark my words - (barring injury) he will end the year as one of the top 3 linebackers.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 25^th, 2003, 5:23pm

hey bgs, im with ya, i think this guy's going to be great. Couldn't risk waiting till later to take him.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 25^th, 2003, 6:25pm

on 06/25/03 at 16:23:22, bgsgfan wrote:

Interestingly, I've seen some IDP rankings where Joey Porter was as high as #5 for LBs... ???

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 25^th, 2003, 6:27pm

Someone should be smart and snatch up Porter. Thinking back on it, I'd rather take Porter then Brooks.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 25^th, 2003, 7:50pm

on 06/25/03 at 18:25:42, Philly wrote:

Interestingly, I've seen some IDP rankings where Joey Porter was as high as #5 for LBs... ???

SHHHHH!!!!! That is supposed to be a secret..... How the hell am I supposed to get him if ya'll are posting about him here? Guess I gotta find a new next pick.

;D ;D :-X :-X ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 8:58pm

on 06/25/03 at 18:25:42, Philly wrote:

Interestingly, I've seen some IDP rankings where Joey Porter was as high as #5 for LBs... ???

I've seen that too. He is a really good player in the heighth of his career, but I think that was done by people who focused too much on last year's stats. I am not savvy enough with IDPs to put an accurate rank on him, but anywhere from 15-30 would be more appropriate, IMHO. Seeing him ranked there made me discount those people's opinions more than anything else.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 25^th, 2003, 10:09pm

Joey Porter isn't even at the peak of his career yet, he has just a high of a ceiling like Kendrell Bell

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 25^th, 2003, 10:24pm

I think they kind of cancel each other out. Similar to Colvin being in a 3-4/4-3 scheme in NE. I like both Bell and Porter, but Porter is more of the sack guy and Bell is more of the tackle guy. Porter had 60 tackles last year and i think 10 sacks. both are solid #2 LBs though.
Shhhhh i'm hoping he falls to me with my next pick.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25^th, 2003, 10:32pm

on 06/25/03 at 22:09:08, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

Joey Porter isn't even at the peak of his career yet, he has just a high of a ceiling like Kendrell Bell

In Pittsburgh they talk about designing defenses for Kendrell Bell, devising ways to keep him on the field and in different positions. In the Bill Cowher era, there has never been a defensive player that created this much talk - form the coaches as well as fans and media. The only player that really compares to him (from a home town sense) is the way they talked about Kordell in his first 2 seasons.

Think about all of the players that have been there at the linebacker position recently: Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Chad Brown, Levon Kirkland, Jason Gildon, and Joey Porter. All of them Pro-Bowlers, none of them generated this type of optimism and scheming.

Porter sat on the bench his first year, while Kendrell Bell came right in and started.

2 years ago, the biggest hit the Steelers were a part of was when Kendrell Bell and Jerome Bettis hit in the hole - in training camp his rookie year!

Joey Porter had a career year last year after 4 years in the league - for instance, he had 4 interceptions vs only 1 the previous 3 years. Do not expect it to happen again. Kendrel Bell is on his way up and will soon be thought of in the upper echelons of all current LBs.

The only concern to be had with Bell is his injury from a year ago - hopefully that doesn't turn into a trend - so far reports are good this year.

That all being said, opinions are like elbows... or is that I don't know my opinion from my elbow? ??? Either way, I stink like an errrrrrrr elbow and need a shower - see everyone tomorrow!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 25^th, 2003, 11:20pm

He won't... ;)

on 06/25/03 at 22:24:06, DOLFAN wrote:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 25^th, 2003, 11:42pm

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jun 26^th, 2003, 12:15am

First and foremost.....(did I spell that right).....lol

STEG......I was in no way offended by your comments on my picks, I was actually agreeing with you that booker would have been a better pick. I was responding to your response. (was that a proper sentence) I dont take anything personal unlesss it involves me or my family..........this is all for fun and entertainment!

Finally, I think Bruce and Akers were great picks. A productive receiver on a efficient passing team and arguably the best place kicker in the league. He is accurate and has the power to get the bonus points.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Jun 26^th, 2003, 12:18am

So, I was stupid too and passed up Porter for Chad Brown.

I debated between these two at length, and unfortunately I think the Pittsburgh LB situation is similar to a RBBC - no one LB gets all of the tackles since they are all so good.

Chad Brown, on the other hand, is a one-man show in Seattle and is good to get double digit sacks each year.

You guys can continue to debate Bell vs. Porter, but I still see a couple of other LB's that I'd rather have over either of those guys at this point.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 26^th, 2003, 12:35am

Good picks Tony.

Akers is the best kicker out there, but I still think you should have gone with two receivers. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jun 26^th, 2003, 12:38am

I hate to break it too you JET but there are 2 other linebackers in Seattle now, Anthony Simmons, who is probably the best linebacker on the team and they also just signed Godfrey to play middle linebacker. Good Luck! I would have taken Porter or Simmons before Brown. Simmons is probably the fastest linebacker in football and a tackling machine. Take a look at the numbers he posted in limited action.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 26^th, 2003, 12:41am

Shhh.....shut up Tony! :-X :-X :-X

on 06/26/03 at 00:38:44, Tony_O wrote:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 26^th, 2003, 8:46am

And there's still one more quality LB that I had my eyes on as early as the 6th round, but I'm stocked at that position now... I'll wait and see if anyone grabs him... I already let the cat out of the bag with Joey Porter so I'll keep quiet about this guy until he is picked.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 26^th, 2003, 9:30am

I changed my pick after making it. If anyone thinks I should go back to my original choice, I will. I didn't see anyone else in here though, and decided it wouldn't matter.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 26^th, 2003, 9:33am

I saw your original pick and he was already selected... check out Round #7... I posted that and by the time I got it up you changed your pick so I deleted my post.

As long as your pick is changed before the next person posts their pick, I figure it's OK.

Also, the LB I mentioned in the post before yours is Keith Bulluck. Nice grab. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 26^th, 2003, 9:38am

Bulluck is nice indeed...had my eye on him as well.

I almost took Mike Brown last round, but thought I could get him here, and did. I really like the guy, and he gets alot of tackles out of the free safety spot, plus can score some picks as well.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 26^th, 2003, 10:06am

Guys - if you haven't already, hit quote on the first post of this thread. Check out the code for that roster table. Imagine both figuring that out, then editing it 2-3 times a day like Steg has. For a mock that he isn't even in!

Some might call you heavy-handed, Steg. I, however, love all the obvious work and attention you pay to everything around here. Thanks!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 26^th, 2003, 1:12pm

bg, thank you so much for noticing that and giving up the kudos... yuuuummy! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] [smiley=bow.gif]

Quick question for you guys, if you are going to run this sucker out CBFL-style, would you want a board in what would be our new "Gridiron Leagues" section?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 26^th, 2003, 1:21pm

Sure, a board would be great! Anyone got a catchy league name?

on 06/26/03 at 13:12:05, StegRock wrote:

Quick question for you guys, if you are going to run this sucker out CBFL-style, would you want a board in what would be our new "Gridiron Leagues" section?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 26^th, 2003, 1:29pm

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated! [smiley=borg.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 26^th, 2003, 8:32pm

I like getting Stallworth at this spot. He should put up excellant numbers for a WR#2. Who knows, with all the attention payed to Horn, Donte could put up Horn-like numbers or end up being this years Peerless Price. I think he has good upside for a 9th round pick.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 26^th, 2003, 9:06pm

Again, I am happy with my last two picks. Joey Porter has been discussed quite a bit already, and Brian Kelly had a ton of interceptions last year. In that Buc Defense I see him repeating.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 26^th, 2003, 9:52pm

DOLFAN's pick of Eric Barton is wrong. He's a Raiduh, not a Titan.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 26^th, 2003, 10:16pm

[smiley=thumbsup.gif] , KJ! All fixed!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 26^th, 2003, 10:28pm

Sorry guys, I had Bulluck above him on my hand written cheatsheet. Got the name right, but took the from form Bulluck. My bad.
I like both of my picks this late in the draft. only 1 LB left to take. Looks like he will be taken in the last round.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 26^th, 2003, 10:53pm

Oh and DOLFAN, your welcome, if you know what I mean. ;)

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 27^th, 2003, 12:17am

Thanks, ;).

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 27^th, 2003, 1:10am

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 27^th, 2003, 1:19am

Yep...made my draft a little easier now...

on 06/26/03 at 22:28:56, DOLFAN wrote:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 27^th, 2003, 7:33am

I look for Porter to take over the #2 wr spot this year simply because of the production he had last year. With the aging Rice and Brown still there the Raiders know that Porter is their future and they'll find ways to get him the ball, especially in the red zone.Oakland loves to throw the ball so it's conceivable that Porter could score 10td's and approach 1,000 yds. While Rice may still be the #1 guy it's quite possible they could put up similar numbers even with Brown still hanging around.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 27^th, 2003, 9:33am

on 06/27/03 at 01:10:14, StegRock wrote:

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated! [smiley=bow.gif]

[smiley=thumbsup.gif] Thanks!!! You da Man!!!!!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 27^th, 2003, 10:35am

I just know BW is going to grab my targetted guy.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 27^th, 2003, 10:47am

Don't know who your targeted guy was bg, but since Porter, Barton and Bullock were all taken, I had to grab Shulters, the best at the DB/S position that was available...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 27^th, 2003, 12:58pm

on 06/27/03 at 07:33:49, DocNiner52 wrote:

Nice pick... he was my next choice, but you grabbed him so I went with Rod Gardner (who is a very good #3 FF WR).

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 27^th, 2003, 1:08pm

on 06/27/03 at 10:47:12, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Don't know who your targeted guy was bg, but since Porter, Barton and Bullock were all taken, I had to grab Shulters, the best at the DB/S position that was available...

Actually, I was looking for Adrian Wilson, but would have gone with Shulters if Wilson wasn't there.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 27^th, 2003, 1:56pm

I spoke with BW, a.k.a. J-"O", yesterday and we discussed an interesting aspect of the IDP scenario. I asked him to wait to answer the question until I had posed it here. But, I forgot to do so last night. [smiley=doh.gif] So, here it is, finally! Sorry! :-[

It came to me while I was typing in "Champ Bailey" on the "Rosters" table. Do you guys count "offensive statistics" achieved by defensive players like, e.g., if Bailey were to go in as a receiver and catch a pass? For that matter, do you count the "defensive stats" of offensive players like, e.g., a tackle made after an interception or lost fumble? To me, from an objective/outside position, I don't see why you wouldn't. It seems like it should "all be good"... or is that "be all good"!? [smiley=uh.gif] [smiley=shrug.gif] Anyway...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:02pm

I didn't think about it. I have always seen it where only def players get def ff points and vice versa, BUT the way the original rules post reads every player should get points for all stats.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:10pm

This is a debate the QFLers bring up EVERY draft day. We normally have the arguement, "Why doesn't Bret Favre get three points for that tackle he made? Every year, I argue the fact that If he was stupid enough to throw that pass into triple coverage, then have to make the tackle, why shoud he be rewarded?

Now, as far as offensive sas for defensive players, this always came into play, especially when Deion Sanders came up. Yes, we did decide to give defensive players offensive and special team stats. If Deltha O'Neal ran a punt back for a td, he got the points, etc...

Now I am rethinking the whole tackles for offensive guys thing...

As for this draft, it is up to bgsg...if he can do it, great!

on 06/27/03 at 13:56:36, StegRock wrote:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:20pm

on 06/27/03 at 14:10:27, BarnabyWilde wrote:

As for this draft, it is up to bgsg...if he can do it, great!

I can score any way. I think the big questions are, what was the intent of the rules and how did everyone interpret them?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:21pm

on 06/27/03 at 14:10:27, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Now I am rethinking the whole tackles for offensive guys thing...

As for this draft, it is up to bgsg...if he can do it, great!

This might even make for a good experiment which the QFL could grow from the results of.

Oh, and, to reiterate what I said on the phone yesterday, the QB could be making a tackle after a fumble lost and a RB could be making a tackle after an interception. If a QB makes the tackle after his interception and a RB makes the tackle after his fumble lost, look at it as if he is "mitigating" his error, which he is to a degree. [smiley=threed.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:24pm

on 06/27/03 at 14:20:59, bgsgfan wrote:

I can score any way. I think the big questions are, what was the intent of the rules and how did everyone interpret them?

Again, as stated in my post above, I would do it the "new" experimental way if for no other reason than to just give it a try. This could be something the QFL could "really substantively" grow from, perhaps.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:37pm

Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson, top that. :P

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 27^th, 2003, 2:41pm

KJ - normally I don't criticize picks too much, but the 2 DBs you got (Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson) really have me scratching my head. I think they would both rank in the 40-75 range of all DBs. I looked at 4 different "expert" rankings, the only place I could find either of those 2 was Woodson at #50.

But experts can be wrong and so can I - why did you take these guys?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 27^th, 2003, 3:07pm

Exactly. IDP leagues are not good leagues to take top tier cornerbacks. QB's seldom throw their way, and they don't make many tackles. If they are punt/kick returners, then maybe...but I'll take safeties any day of the week over corners.

on 06/27/03 at 14:41:21, bgsgfan wrote:

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 27^th, 2003, 3:37pm

on 06/27/03 at 15:07:43, BarnabyWilde wrote:

BW, I am going to be such a thorn in your side here. Sorry! :-[ But, I have got to ask. I mean I was thinking about this too with regards to the defensive line: defensive tackles are generally going to be worth much less than defensive ends. Similarly, as you explain above, safeties generally are more valuable than cornerbacks, especially, ironically, REALLY good cornerbacks, which seems counterintuitive, perhaps even to the degree of being unfair. Wouldn't it make sense to take IDP's one step further and divide out cornerbacks and defensive tackles, making it four categories instead of just two? I suppose the same could be said on offense, though, as well. Why not separate tight ends from wide receivers (which I, as I have claimed many times here, hate) and, for that matter, fullbacks from tailbacks? But, in those cases fullbacks are "weaker runners" (running/rushing the ball vis-a-vis blocking being the main attribute we care about as fantasy footballers) and tight ends are "weaker pass-catchers" (pass-catching vis-a-vis blocking being the main attribute we care about as fantasy footballers), generally speaking. Whereas, a cornerback's being avoided and accumulating less "quantifiable" stats is directly related to his "effectiveness". Of course, separating them out would not necessarily fix that problem, and all of this perhaps folds back to being support for the argument for using team defenses instead. But, whatever, I don't know! [smiley=whatever.gif] Just fun to talk about!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 27^th, 2003, 3:41pm

Both Bailey and Woodson return Punts. Bailey plays a-la- Deion Sanders sometimes on offensive plays.

Bailey and Woodson are about 25-26. They are reaching the peaks of their careers.

You're right, not many QBs throw their way, but they have probably the highest rate of INTs/PDEF per TAt(thrown at). It's the 10th round, passing up on players the caliber of these two is ridiculous.

Woodson is like a FS, he gets 6-8 tackles a game(solo), he's a force fumbling machine, and will get 4-5 INTs a season. Last year he was bothered by a foot injury, but all reports point that he'll be back 100%

Bailey gets you always 3 or more INTs a season, 4-5 tackles a game(solo), Punt returns, and offensive statistics.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 27^th, 2003, 3:42pm

Yeah, the whole cornerback thing really sucks. Generally the best FF IDP cornerbacks are inexperienced ones opposite a proven stud - because they get the tackles and other opportunities. Some IDP leagues seperate out the positions, 6 to one half a dozen the other IMO.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 27^th, 2003, 4:45pm

After thinking this whole thing through, and reading the various issues that have been presented, I think it would be best NOT to run a CBFL-esque league based on this mock in the coming season.

1. There was no intent at the beginning of the mock to run this as a league. I know if that had been the case from the beginning, I would have drafted defense in the 1st few rounds as they score about 30% more than offensive players.

2. There are still questions about the rules and we're in the 10th round. The "official" rules presented before the draft didn't indicate anything about defensive TDs, although that issue was addressed subsequent to the draft starting.

I thank bgsgfan for offering to track things for us - I know this would be a lot of extra work in addition to everything else he has on his plate. But maybe this should wait another year?

I think the best things to come out of this are: 1) the cheatsheets, and 2) the opportunity for non-IDPers to start thinking out of the box.

I just want everyone to know that I still think I have a great roster that would compete for the #1 spot, so this isn't coming about as a result of me trying to weasel out of a league because of a bad draft...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 27^th, 2003, 4:46pm

KJ that would be great for your return CBs if those returns counted in this league...too bad they don't... at least not in the scoring rules that i saw. I like both guys as players, just not as fantasy scorers.

Actually i think both are overrated as NFL players. I think there are at least 5 CBs in the league that are better CBs. I would like to have both on my teams, but I really think neither could beat out Surtain/Madison in Mia. I will say though that Madison gets too agressive and gives up too many big play TDs. Woodson's foot issues worry me a bit too. I think it was a solid pick, but fantasy wise i think there are still some more productive FF scorers out there. I could be wrong and just my .02 cents.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 27^th, 2003, 6:31pm

6 pts for all rushing/receiving tds
4 pts for all passing tds
4 bonus pts for a td over 50 yds
3 pts for all fgs
5 pts for a fg over 40 yds
1 pt bonus for every 10 yrd rushing/receiving or every 25 yds passing
3 pts per tackle
1 pt per assist
10 pts per sack
5 for a 1/2 sack
5 for a fumble recovery
15 for an interception

Although kick returns don't count, Bailey gets a few sacks, which is 10pts, INTs are 15, 3pts per solo tackle, and both these players get alot of solo tackles, FOR being CBs.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 27^th, 2003, 6:43pm

I agree that they are very good players I just don't see them getting that many tackles. Usually the #1 CB, like mentined above, don't get thrown at much. I just think some other guy left will get more overall stats.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 27^th, 2003, 7:44pm

I am really divided on the issue of keeping track of this in cbfl fashion.

On one hand i agree with Philly's arguments.

On the other it is nice to do to "settle" all of the disagreements regarding value of players etc. for instance, the easiest way for KJ to see what we mean about his star CBs is for him to really see it (or the best way for him to prove his point is for it to be proven).

I believe the best solution be to set up a free yahoo leage with IDPs. We could make it relatively informal and do it with an "autodraft". That way it won't place nearly as many time constraints on us, we could work out the kinks in the rules, and we could see the end results.

Ideas? Comments?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 27^th, 2003, 8:11pm

I don't need to see anything, I know my star CBs will produce enough points.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 27^th, 2003, 9:13pm

I am willing to wager [smiley=money.gif] that the Bailey/Woodson combo comes in last of the 10 teams combos, barring injury.

on 06/27/03 at 20:11:47, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

I don't need to see anything, I know my star CBs will produce enough points.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 28^th, 2003, 12:34am

on 06/27/03 at 21:13:40, BarnabyWilde wrote:

I am willing to wager [smiley=money.gif] that the Bailey/Woodson combo comes in last of the 10 teams combos, barring injury.

Deal, and you DID say last. ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DocNiner52 on Jun 28^th, 2003, 8:16am

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Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jun 29^th, 2003, 1:42pm

Um, Hello? Hi? We still drafting?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jun 29^th, 2003, 2:52pm

on 06/29/03 at 13:42:40, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

Um, Hello? Hi? We still drafting?

Obviously the people who need to be, aren't... I sent a proxy list about 24 hours ago, just in case I wasn't around. [smiley=LMFAO.gif] Guess that wasn't necessary.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 29^th, 2003, 3:26pm

We have waited this long, I think we should wait until Monday afternoon to pick for Tony. It could be that his internet access during weekends was lost and on Monday he will be able to get rolling again.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 30^th, 2003, 8:53am

I knew we'd get it rolling again!

I grabbed Feely here due to the fact I am the only person that still needs a LB and only one of two who still need the QB position...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 30^th, 2003, 12:35pm

"Cheatsheets" & "Rosters" have been updated!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 30^th, 2003, 3:41pm

Well guys, I talked to Cirrinone on the computer today. He said everything was ok, that his computer crashed and he was sorry about the draft. I told him we were thinking about him and that we were all glad he was ok! He'll be back this week, he hopes!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 30^th, 2003, 3:55pm

on 06/30/03 at 15:41:47, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Sorry to hear about his computer, but glad everything else is ok.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jun 30^th, 2003, 5:13pm

on 06/30/03 at 15:41:47, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Double thumbs up! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I was really worryin' 'bout the guy! There are a couple e-mails pending! I hope he responds. I look forward to reestablishing contact. :D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 1^st, 2003, 8:55pm

Did KJ send his proxy picks to anyone? I know he is leaving for Spain tomorrow and we're almost at the end of this mock...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 1^st, 2003, 11:37pm

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 12:00am

I've seen the little Buc lover on line several times today...maybe he'll get to a cyber cafe on Spain... ;)

on 07/01/03 at 20:55:23, Philly wrote:

Did KJ send his proxy picks to anyone? I know he is leaving for Spain tomorrow and we're almost at the end of this mock...

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 2:25pm

Hugh douglas isn't an Iggle anymore right? Didn't he go to Kansas City or something?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 2:28pm

Lassiter is a GREAT pick in the 13 round. He is a very solid DB, he will get you lots of tackles and a few picks.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 2:29pm

I'd say Wistrom is a solid pick in the 13th round. ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 2:45pm

on 07/02/03 at 14:29:51, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

I'd say Wistrom is a solid pick in the 13th round. ;D

I see him ranked as the number 16, 17, 17, and 26 Defensive Lineman in 4 different IDP cheatsheets. A solid pick, yes, but nothing to get that excited over.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 2:46pm

on 07/02/03 at 14:25:45, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

Hugh douglas isn't an Iggle anymore right? Didn't he go to Kansas City or something?

Hugh is in Jax now. Vonnie Holliday ended up signing with KC.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Jetdoc on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 2:48pm

on 07/02/03 at 14:28:53, Tony_O wrote:

Lassiter is a GREAT pick in the 13 round. He is a very solid DB, he will get you lots of tackles and a few picks.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 2:55pm

on 07/02/03 at 14:45:59, bgsgfan wrote:

I see him ranked as the number 16, 17, 17, and 26 Defensive Lineman in 4 different IDP cheatsheets. A solid pick, yes, but nothing to get that excited over.

You'd put Leonard Little, Mike Rucker, Greg Ellis over him?

Mike Rucker got big tackles last season because of Pepper's abscence towards the end of the season. Greg Ellis is getting old, Leonard Little had that one good season.

If you rate him at the #16 or whatever, that's fine. But if you put Wistrom in that range from some cheat sheet you saw on another site, well, I'm not a big fan of cheatsheets, I think they're useless.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 4:25pm

on 07/02/03 at 14:55:25, Keyshawn Johnson 76yards wrote:

You'd put Leonard Little, Mike Rucker, Greg Ellis over him?

Yes, yes and yes.

Quote:

If you rate him at the #16 or whatever, that's fine. But if you put Wistrom in that range from some cheat sheet you saw on another site, well, I'm not a big fan of cheatsheets, I think they're useless.

Not one cheatsheet, every cheatsheet.

I don't have a problem with you thinking this over-rated "name" player is better than where you drafted him. The problem I have is that you thought it was a steal - a steal is getting someone significantly below where they are normally drafted.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 4:36pm

I said he was a steal? I just thought it was a hell of a solid pick at where I got him.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 4:43pm

Thanks - I was debating heavily between him and Jammer (on the same team), but went with the safety who gets more tackles at the sacrifice of INTs.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with my roster...

QB Brooks
RB Tomlinson
RB Davis
WR Moss
WR Booker
WR Coles
DL Kearse
DL Wiley
LB Sharper
LB Chad Brown
DB Harrison
DB Lassiter

A little weak at DL, but overall a solid bunch.
[/quote]

I am happy with my roster as well;

QB S. Mcnair (top 10)
RB R. Williams (top 5)
RB F. Taylor (top 10)
WR J. Smith (top 20)
WR I. Bruce (top 20)
WR D. Jackson (top 30) Because of injury last year
K D. Akers (top 5)
DL A. Smith (top 20)
DL J. Henderson (top 20)
LB R. Lewis (top 5)
LB K. Brookings (top 5)
DB R. Williams (top 5)
DB D. Sharper (top 5)

I too am a little weak at DL but that is by plan. I tried to stock up the positions I think can get you the most points on a weekly basis (RB,LB,DB) while still trying to have a 2nd tier QB. Which I think I did! If I can get average production out of my WR's and DL's, I should be in the running for the top prize.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 2^nd, 2003, 6:53pm

Well, after all this time it looks as if I will get the best value pick in the draft!!!! [smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] [smiley=pimpin.gif][smiley=flipoffangrily.gif] [smiley=moon.gif] Just like i predicted. [smiley=crystalball.gif] [smiley=shiteatingrin.gif]I told Stegey before this draft even started that i would take a QB in the last round. [smiley=wizard.gif] [smiley=zenmaster.gif]
BTW Tony O it seems everybody got TOP 20 guys, DUMBASS!! ;) J/K sorta!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 6:21am

I would say most teams have top 25 five guys across the board, but I feel I have 8 out of 13 starters that are top 10 players. Which I think most teams can't match! Thats why these things are fun, because we get to see if it is me or you who is the DUMBASS! Good Luck!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 6:32am

I hope bgsgfan does keep track of the stats, because I think I can stand with the best of them, especially if Maddux comes through:

Tommy Maddux
Marshall Faulk
Corey Dillon
Joe Horn
Chad Johnson
Derrick Mason
Jay Feely
Dwight Freeney
Andre Carter
LaVar Arrington
Anthony Simmons (will be my last round pick)
Mike Brown
Lance Shulters

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Tony_O on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 6:35am

I would agree BW, you have very good team, it will be a vey interesting year!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 8:54am

Coy Wire was an excellent pick by DocNiner. Not many people know about this guy, but he was solid as a rookie last year and should only improve as the Bills D improves greatly this year.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 8:58am

BW does have a nice team, but can it really compete with this roster?? I don't think so...

QB Daunte Culpepper
RB Shaun Alexander
RB Jamal Lewis
WR Peerless Price
WR Curtis Conway
WR Rod Gardner
K Martin Gramatica
DL Greg Ellis
DL Aaron Schobel
LB Donnie Edwards
LB Al Wilson
S Adam Archuleta
S Ed Reed

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 12:39pm

on 07/03/03 at 12:25:42, DOLFAN wrote:

13.10 - QB Jeff Garcia - 49ers

HANDS DOWN THE BEST PICK IN THE DRAFT!!!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] [smiley=hooters.gif] [smiley=wizard.gif] [smiley=zenmaster.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=swollenhead.gif] Just as i predicted [smiley=crystalball.gif] [smiley=ragin.gif] [smiley=moon.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=priest.gif] [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

Well, mainly in that you did no worse, even in some cases better, than those who selected QB's MANY/QUITE A FEW rounds prior AND were able to use that "extra" pick to bolster another area of your team/get value. HOWEVER, this pick is NOT a pick that sets you apart from the pack given that only 12 QB's were being taken. If 24 were being taken, you wouldn't have gotten him here. To your credit, though, you "saw" [smiley=threed.gif] this reality early on and capitalized... [smiley=bow.gif] (to the degree that you could, which I am saying is not all that great even though the thought process was)!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 3^rd, 2003, 12:42pm

I am very pleased with the team i managed to scrape up with the last picks in the 1st and last rounds. I think I have the best WR trio out there, but opnly time will tell.

QB Jeff Garcia
RB Tiki Barber
RB William Green
WR Marvin Harrison
WR Amani Toomer
WR Koren Robinson
LB Zach Thomas
LB Eric Barton
DE Mike Rucker
DE Patrick Kerney
S Sammy Knight
S Robert Griffith
PK Sebastian Janikowski

Stegey I have to hand it to ya my friend. You sure know how to compliment [smiley=cheers.gif] a guy and bitchslap [smiley=dejected.gif] him in the same post. I hope you didn't do that on prom night decades ago.
Stegey "that dress looks great...too bad your [smiley=hooters.gif] aren't big enough to fill it out." [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 6^th, 2003, 11:58pm

"Cheatsheets" and "Rosters" have been updated!

...

Don't you guys have like a round to go?

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 7^th, 2003, 5:16am

on 07/06/03 at 23:58:59, StegRock wrote:

Don't you guys have like a round to go?

Nope, all done.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by KillerKingSting on Jul 28^th, 2003, 12:36pm

By the way, if you ever need someone else to join in, keep me in mind. Sorry I didn't know of this web site earlier but, I'm a big IDP fan. Thanks. Everbold111@hotmail.com

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 28^th, 2003, 12:41pm

on 07/28/03 at 12:36:53, KillerKingSting wrote:

By the way, if you ever need someone else to join in, keep me in mind. Sorry I didn't know of this web site earlier but, I'm a big IDP fan. Thanks. Everbold111@hotmail.com

[smiley=thumbsup.gif] WELCOME, brother! [smiley=bow.gif] You should like it around here! Good bunch! [smiley=smileytrash.gif] Looking forward to getting to know you better over time! You'll probably eventually find your IDP hook-up 'round here, as well!

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by KillerKingSting on Jul 28^th, 2003, 12:46pm

Thanks StegRock for the welcome! Ditto on that last message. Looks like a great cast around here.

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Oct 6^th, 2003, 11:21am

on 06/18/03 at 20:57:18, Philly wrote:

You Green haters need to get back on the bandwagon. #2 overall player behind Holmes. ;D

Title: Re: BW's IDP Mock Draft Commentary
Post by Philly on Dec 30^th, 2003, 2:27pm

BUMP

Just thought I'd throw this up here so people could look at it now that the season is done. My team looks good on offense except for the fact that I have AWFUL receivers. Not sure how the defensive players did as I didn't play in any IDP leagues this year.