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(Message started by: bgsgfan on Jul 14th, 2003, 4:21pm)
Title: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE - looks like next year, guys
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 14th, 2003, 4:21pm
GRIDIRON LEAGUE ENDORSING EQUALITY

As discussed on the Draft Order Equality thread, I am going to establish a new league.  This league will have unique scoring, so please read the rules, especially the scoring rules, carefully.  With this being the first year of this league, which uses a different approach to scoring, I expect we will have some bugs to clean out this year.

If you are interested, let me know on this thread and tell me what dates you will not be available to do an auction.

I just typed these rules, so if you notice anything that may need clarification, or appears to be wrong, let me know.

League Objectives:
 I.      Value positions in a standard way to eliminate the inequality in value currently present in almost all Fantasy Football leagues.
 II.      Use the fairest method available to select players to eliminate the inequality associated with Fantasy Football drafting positions.
 III.      Have fun and encourage new ways of thinking about Fantasy Football.


League Rules:
 I.      League size: TBD, however I am planning on 10 teams, without any divisions.
 II.      This is a free redraft league (although we may move to a keeper league following the 2004 season).
 III.      Selection: tentatively planned to be an auction, but may be changed to a serpentine draft for the first year only.
   A.      Auction
     1.      Each team will have a fictitious salary cap of $200
     2.      All bids must be made in even dollars
     3.      The minimum salary for all players is $1
     4.      Teams may not cut players during the auction
     5.      $1 must be left free for each player under 22.  For example: a team with 19 players must be $5 under the salary cap.
     6.      We will use buddy chat on AOL Instant messenger.  It is free to download:  http://www.aim.com/
     7.      We will bid on one player at a time.  After 15 seconds of no bids, I will say, "going once".  After another 10 seconds, "going twice".  After another 5 seconds, "sold".  
     8.      If two teams bid an identical amount, the first one that shows up on my chat screen wins.
     9.      The nomination order will be determined randomly by internet dice rolls, and follow a serpentine order.
     10.      By nominating a player, you automatically bid at least $1 on that player.  
     11.      If your roster is full, you do not need to nominate a player.
     12.      The auction serves the purpose of initially setting up the teams, immediately following the auction, all transactions are done without consideration of salary caps or original dollars spent on players.
   B.      Draft
     1.      The draft will be a serpentine draft, i.e. in the even rounds, the draft order will be reversed from the odd rounds
     2.      The draft order will be determined randomly by internet dice rolls
     3.      The draft will be an auto-draft on yahoo.com that will be done by their website on August 28th at 12:00 AM EST.
     4.      The draft will last 24 rounds, enough to fill each team's roster.  
 IV.      Roster Requirements and Starting Lineups
   A.      The roster maximums will be 24 players.
   B.      There are no injured reserve spots.
   C.      The standard starting lineup will be: 2 QB, 3 RB, 4 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, and 1 D/ST.
 V.      Scoring System
   A.      Each week, a standard Fantasy Football scoring system (as enumerated below) will be used to award Standard Fantasy Football Points (SFFPs).  Each position will then be ranked according to the SFFPs and awarded Gridiron League Endorsing Equality Points (GLEEPs) according to the chart below.
   B.      Standard Fantasy Football scoring system
     1.      Decimal scoring will always be used.  This helps prevent ties.
     2.      Individual players do not receive points for special teams TDs, nor do they lose points for fumbles on ST.
     3.      Defenses may score negative points if they give up excessive points and/or yards.
     4.      Standard Fantasy Football scoring will be as follows:

Code:
Passing TDs      5 pts.
Rush/Rec. TDs      6 pts.
2 pt. Conversion      2 pts.
INT/Fumble Lost      -1 pt.
25 Passing yds.      1 pt.
10 Rush/Rec yds.      1 pt.
FG      3 pts.
PAT      1 pt.
D/ST scoring:      
Points allowed      10 - (0.3 x PA)
Yards allowed      10 - (0.03 x YA)
TD      6 pts.
Safety      2 pts.
Takeaways      2 pts.
Sacks      1 pt.

   C.      Gridiron League Endorsing Equality scoring system:
     1.      Each week, the entire pool of players started will be ranked within their respective positions.
     2.      If there are 10 teams, the GLEEPs will be awarded as follows:
Rank      QB      RB      WR     TE, K, D/ST
1           120    120     120        90
2           114    116     117        81
3           108    112     114        72
4           102    108     111        63
5             96    104     108        54
6             90    100     105        45
7             84      96     102        36
8             78      92       99        27
9             72      88       96        18
10           66      84       93          9
11           60      80       90      
12           54      76       87      
13           48      72       84      
14           42      68       81      
15           36      64       78      
16           30      60       75      
17           24      56       72      
18           18      52       69      
19           12      48       66      
20             6      44       63      
21                     40       60      
22                     36       57      
23                     32       54      
24                     28       51      
25                     24       48      
26                     20       45      
27                     16       42      
28                     12       39      
29                       8       36      
30                       4       33      
31                                30      
32                                27      
33                                24      
34                                21      
35                                18      
36                                15      
37                                12      
38                                  9      
39                                  6      
40                                  3      

     3.      If there are more or less than 10 teams, the GLEEPs will be adjusted, but will follow the same format as the above example.
     4.      In the case of a tie (same amount of SFFPs), the players tied will receive the average of the GLEEPs designated for the rankings they are tied for.
     5.      Except for defenses, players that have no SFFPs or negative SFFPs will receive no GLEEPs.  Defenses will receive their allotted GLEEPs regardless of how many SFFPs they received, unless it is their bye week, in which case they will receive no GLEEPs if they are started.


 VI.      Trading
   A.      Both parties must agree to the trade.
   B.      Trades are unlimited.
   C.      I have the right to veto trades only in the event that collusion is suspected.  I will define collusion as: a trade in which one of the owners knowingly and purposefully aids another owner without benefit to his own team.  Basically, I will allow stupid and unfair trades.  I won't allow trades if I strongly suspect collusion
   D.      The remaining league members (excluding myself and the owners involved in the trade) may overrule my veto by a majority vote.
   E.      In the case of a trade involving my team, the remaining league members (excluding myself and the other owners involved in the trade) may veto the trade if collusion is suspected.
   F.      The trading deadline will be prior to kickoff with 3 weeks remaining in the league's regular season.
   G.      There will be no trades involving draft picks (if a draft is used).
   H.      I must be notified of a trade by both parties in our league forum 24 hours prior to that week's games' first kickoff for it to be effective for that week.
 VII.      Free Agency and Waivers
   A.      No pickups or drops will be allowed from 24 hours prior to that week's games' first kickoff through Monday night.
   B.      Each team will be allowed 2 waiver and/or free agent pickups per week.
   C.      Waiver pickups are due to me by email by Wednesday at 8 PM Eastern time and will be processed by Thursday at 8 AM Eastern time.
   D.      The waiver order will be set from worst record to best record.  The tiebreaker is fewest GLEEPs scored.  
   E.      Free Agent pickups need to be posted in our forum and are first-come, first-serve starting Thursday morning after I have processed and posted waivers.
   F.      I will not allow a team to "throw in the towel" and will step in to either find a substitute owner or manage the team myself if it becomes apparent that that is what is happening.
 VIII.      Schedule, Playoffs, and Tiebreakers
   A.      Every week, every team will compete head-to-head against every other team (in the case of a 10 team league, you will play 9 games each week).
   B.      The regular season will last 14 weeks with the 4 teams having the best records advancing to the playoffs.
   C.      In week 16, the 2 playoff teams who had the most GLEEPs in week 15 will face off with the winner being crowned champion.
   D.      Tiebreakers
     1.      Most GLEEPs scored
     2.      Head-to-head
     3.      Most SFFPs scored
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 14th, 2003, 4:23pm
:o Wow - the formatting really got screwed between Word and here.  I will try to edit this to make it readable, bear with me.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 14th, 2003, 4:47pm
OK - thats going to have to do for now.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 14th, 2003, 5:07pm
Maybe, for this year only, we could go with a long auction format that would start immediately, but wouldn't end until August 28th at noon (or some other time agreed upon by everyone).

If that interests anyone, let me know and I'll type up some specific rules for it.

Also, I want to emphasize that this year is going to be used as a trial.  I don't expect everyoe to really have a grasp on the way this thing works.  It will be my first auction, and I am commishing the thing!  As long as it is competitive and fun, everything is cool!
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by Philly on Jul 14th, 2003, 6:28pm
I'm already overextended, but this new format intrigues me...

If you decide to do an extended, on-going auction, I'd definitely be interested.  If you want to have a one-day auction, I probably won't be able to do it.

I'll list myself as a tentative participant, depending on demand and draft format.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 14th, 2003, 7:25pm
WOW the #1 WR is worth 40 times as much as the #40 guy. Interesting. I see you have thought the scoring out, nice job. So, from what i see if you take Harrison and Owens and lets say another Top 10 wr you should clean up. They will clearly have the largest disparity...pts wise...than any other position.
It looks like fun. I can't be in though, wish i could. I am already spread too thin.
Have fun. It looks like and exciting league.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by Walker Boh on Jul 14th, 2003, 11:46pm
Like you said, there are some things that need to be worked out, but I would like to be a part of it. There's a great base to start from and we can work the kinks out as we go... there's still plenty of time to brainstorm before the league starts. With equality being most important, I'll be checking things out and let you know if I get any brilliant ideas. (Don't hold your breath!) Great job bgsgfan!
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 15th, 2003, 1:02pm
Please note that I added V. C. 5. to the scoring rules, which states:

Quote:
5.      Except for defenses, players that have no SFFPs or negative SFFPs will receive no GLEEPs.  Defenses will receive their allotted GLEEPs regardless of how many SFFPs they received, unless it is their bye week, in which case they will receive no GLEEPs if they are started.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 15th, 2003, 1:10pm
I am going to wait until next Monday before I start looking for owners outside of the Gridiron.

I am either going to run this league or keep track of that IDP mock as a league.  Hopefully I can get at least 8 guys interested in this and we can make it fly.

Has anyone ever done a slow auction or have access to rules that would apply for one?  I have an idea of how to make it work, but I would like to build on a proven strategy if possible.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE LOOKING FOR OWNERS
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 15th, 2003, 1:22pm

on 07/14/03 at 19:25:11, DOLFAN wrote:
WOW the #1 WR is worth 40 times as much as the #40 guy. Interesting. I see you have thought the scoring out, nice job. So, from what i see if you take Harrison and Owens and lets say another Top 10 wr you should clean up. They will clearly have the largest disparity...pts wise...than any other position.
It looks like fun. I can't be in though, wish i could. I am already spread too thin.
Have fun. It looks like and exciting league.


I've been thinking about this.   If you look at it from a VBD standpoint, using either last starter or 50% of last starter at each position as the baseline, the #1 guy at QB, RB, and WR will all have (almost) the same value (as figured using GLEEPs).  Yes, the 10th wide receiver has more value than the 10th RB or QB, but I believe that closely mirrors the real world (i.e. there is more depth at wide receiver than RB - which in turn has more depth than QB... an average team has 2 productive WRs, 1.5??? productive RBs, and 1 productive QB).

If you look at the total points allocated to each position, however, the rules are definitely slanted towards WRs, so I really don't know?

What I really had a hard time on was Def/STs.  In reality that is the most valuable "position" listed.  What should I do with them?  I think the best answer would be to use IDPs, but I just think that would be biting off too much for this year.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE - looks like next year, guys
Post by bgsgfan on Jul 27th, 2003, 12:21pm
I am going to postpone this until next year.  I just don't have the time/ambition to try to promote it.  Sorry Walker and Philly.
Title: Re: GLEE - NEW LEAGUE - looks like next year, guys
Post by Philly on Jul 27th, 2003, 8:26pm
Probably better for me in the long run... I was definitely overextended...  ::)


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